Every character is someone's favorite. Every story is important and essential to someone. Allowing for multiple versions co-existing is the best way to keep everything in. You can explore the Ayla-Vi relationship. You can explore a version in which Ayla is still dating Timber Wolf, because that relationship is important to some people. You can follow up on a version in which Brin and evil Projectra are together. You can have a version in which Brin and Blok are together. Not everyone has to enjoy every version. That's cool. There's something like 100 characters who have been Legionnaires at this point. You can't have everyone be a member in every version, but as long as there's at least some stories published in which some version of the character appears it shouldn't matter.
There's definitely such a thing as being too concerned about minor continuity errors. "In the latest issue, the Legion lands on the third moon of Colu! But in this issue published in 1973 it says that Colu has no moons! You've ruined the Legion!" is being excessive. But if you're going to write a story in which Ferro Lad and Tellus go to a bar, then you owe us an explanation of how these characters are co-existing. That explanation can be as simple as "This is a reality in which Ferro Lad never died!". But if you're going to insist that it's a story of the preboot Legion, you're going to need to at least gesture at the fact that Ferro Lad's has returned to life or one of the characters is time traveling or is a clone or something.
There's definitely such a thing as being too concerned about minor continuity errors. "In the latest issue, the Legion lands on the third moon of Colu! But in this issue published in 1973 it says that Colu has no moons! You've ruined the Legion!" is being excessive. But if you're going to write a story in which Ferro Lad and Tellus go to a bar, then you owe us an explanation of how these characters are co-existing. That explanation can be as simple as "This is a reality in which Ferro Lad never died!". But if you're going to insist that it's a story of the preboot Legion, you're going to need to at least gesture at the fact that Ferro Lad's has returned to life or one of the characters is time traveling or is a clone or something.
Agree, that's a pretty big continuity gap to fill. I think most readers with deep knowledge will automatically assume it's an alternate continuity. so I agree, that if it's meant to be set in the same reality, the writer/editor should firmly establish that.
Originally Posted by Gaseous Lad
Its the characters that are the most important thing to keep.
agree - and at least a recognizable version. *angrily remembers the Shrinking Violet in Bendisboot, who didn't get a single line...*
Every character is someone's favorite. Every story is important and essential to someone. Allowing for multiple versions co-existing is the best way to keep everything in. You can explore the Ayla-Vi relationship. You can explore a version in which Ayla is still dating Timber Wolf, because that relationship is important to some people. You can follow up on a version in which Brin and evil Projectra are together. You can have a version in which Brin and Blok are together. Not everyone has to enjoy every version. That's cool. There's something like 100 characters who have been Legionnaires at this point. You can't have everyone be a member in every version, but as long as there's at least some stories published in which some version of the character appears it shouldn't matter.
There's definitely such a thing as being too concerned about minor continuity errors. "In the latest issue, the Legion lands on the third moon of Colu! But in this issue published in 1973 it says that Colu has no moons! You've ruined the Legion!" is being excessive. But if you're going to write a story in which Ferro Lad and Tellus go to a bar, then you owe us an explanation of how these characters are co-existing. That explanation can be as simple as "This is a reality in which Ferro Lad never died!". But if you're going to insist that it's a story of the preboot Legion, you're going to need to at least gesture at the fact that Ferro Lad's has returned to life or one of the characters is time traveling or is a clone or something.
I generally agree here. It's more important to have the character in play. I could care less *WHY* Jenni Ognats is in an issue. If they at some point make reference to her having an alternate origin or shifting realities, that's fine, but I wouldn't freak out if she didn't have her side belt pouches. A lot of 5YL takes the continuity stuff way too seriously and cause a lot more problems than it solved, IMO.
But its not insurmountable. In some cases (Ferro Lad) it could be some time anomaly that kicks off a new series, but in others (XS, Kinetix) they could just be Academy recruits. As much as I'd love to see the Violet/Kinteix friendship back on display, its more important to have Kinetix just on the page.
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Basically, all of the pages featuring the Legion have already been posted on this thread, but here's a basic summary of the issue:
--We start with the Subs scene already posted. --We move to the JSA trying to recruit Gentleman Ghost as part of the Huntress's "villain reform" program. --Like every other villain they've tried to recruit, GG fights. --During the fight, Icicle freezes and breaks a crystal ball that turns out to contain Surtur. Everyone complains about Icicle being irresponsible though you'd think someone would've warned him about GG possessing such a crystal ball before the fight. --The JSA spend the amount of time fighting Surtur that it takes Power Girl to explain who he is and why he's such a big deal. --Mordru kills Hawkman, uses his life essence to bring GG back to life, which severs the connection of Surtur to this plane of existence. --Hawkman immediately regenerates from being dead, because that's apparently how his immortality works now? I haven't been keeping up. --The JSA return to HQ to vote on whether to accept Mordru as a member. Hawkman storms off after declaring his vote a "no". We're not really shown the debate, but apparently at least Yolanda also votes "no" because Mordru teamed up with Eclipso one time. --Mordru sulks because he's afraid they won't accept him and help him not become a villain. --The JSA accepts Mordru! The Legion shows up and demands Mordru be handed over to them so that reality won't be ended!
Basically, all of the pages featuring the Legion have already been posted on this thread, but here's a basic summary of the issue:
--We start with the Subs scene already posted. --We move to the JSA trying to recruit Gentleman Ghost as part of the Huntress's "villain reform" program. --Like every other villain they've tried to recruit, GG fights. --During the fight, Icicle freezes and breaks a crystal ball that turns out to contain Surtur. Everyone complains about Icicle being irresponsible though you'd think someone would've warned him about GG possessing such a crystal ball before the fight. --The JSA spend the amount of time fighting Surtur that it takes Power Girl to explain who he is and why he's such a big deal. --Mordru kills Hawkman, uses his life essence to bring GG back to life, which severs the connection of Surtur to this plane of existence. --Hawkman immediately regenerates from being dead, because that's apparently how his immortality works now? I haven't been keeping up. --The JSA return to HQ to vote on whether to accept Mordru as a member. Hawkman storms off after declaring his vote a "no". We're not really shown the debate, but apparently at least Yolanda also votes "no" because Mordru teamed up with Eclipso one time. --Mordru sulks because he's afraid they won't accept him and help him not become a villain. --The JSA accepts Mordru! The Legion shows up and demands Mordru be handed over to them so that reality won't be ended!
Sounds awful!
Thanks for reading it so others don't have to, EDE.
Basically, all of the pages featuring the Legion have already been posted on this thread, but here's a basic summary of the issue:
--We start with the Subs scene already posted. --We move to the JSA trying to recruit Gentleman Ghost as part of the Huntress's "villain reform" program. --Like every other villain they've tried to recruit, GG fights. --During the fight, Icicle freezes and breaks a crystal ball that turns out to contain Surtur. Everyone complains about Icicle being irresponsible though you'd think someone would've warned him about GG possessing such a crystal ball before the fight. --The JSA spend the amount of time fighting Surtur that it takes Power Girl to explain who he is and why he's such a big deal. --Mordru kills Hawkman, uses his life essence to bring GG back to life, which severs the connection of Surtur to this plane of existence. --Hawkman immediately regenerates from being dead, because that's apparently how his immortality works now? I haven't been keeping up. --The JSA return to HQ to vote on whether to accept Mordru as a member. Hawkman storms off after declaring his vote a "no". We're not really shown the debate, but apparently at least Yolanda also votes "no" because Mordru teamed up with Eclipso one time. --Mordru sulks because he's afraid they won't accept him and help him not become a villain. --The JSA accepts Mordru! The Legion shows up and demands Mordru be handed over to them so that reality won't be ended!
Sounds awful!
Thanks for reading it so others don't have to, EDE.
Adding onto this:
We still don't know what, exactly, the Legion is trying to prevent regarding Mordru's acceptance in the JSA. The Subs never once actually mention Mordru when talking about what the JSA is doing, and for that matter Khalid isn't with them despite the mention of him being with Polar Boy and Night Girl.
And there's the fact we still have no idea how Mordru got his flight ring or who he was talking to in the 8th issue.
But its not insurmountable. In some cases (Ferro Lad) it could be some time anomaly that kicks off a new series, but in others (XS, Kinetix) they could just be Academy recruits. As much as I'd love to see the Violet/Kinteix friendship back on display, its more important to have Kinetix just on the page.
this also makes me realize, that what makes a character "recognizable" will differ per reader.
for sure, some people were more upset than others about, say, no Tinya/Jo romance in the Threeboot. let's not even get into things like Sensor being a giant snake, or the various ethnicity/skin color changes.
I'd love to just have Kinetix on the page as well. perhaps there are fans out there, who think the Vi/Zoe friendship was such a core element of their characters, that they are not willing to budge on that it will also be a very personal thing for various fans.
I'd love to just have Kinetix on the page as well. perhaps there are fans out there, who think the Vi/Zoe friendship was such a core element of their characters, that they are not willing to budge on that it will also be a very personal thing for various fans.
Definitely. But on the other hand it provides an avenue for new stories or threads. To keep with the Vinetix example, bringing Zoe in at 15/16 years old (or even older) can have older Vi (early to mid 20s) be a mentor to her and kind of flip the PZH relationship on its head. And this can be done in LOTS of different ways with lots of characters.
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ACTION COMICS #1070 Written by Mark Waid and Mariko Tamaki Art by Clayton Henry and Skylar Patridge $4.99 40 page $5.99 cardstock 10/9/24 An otherworldly horror tearing its way through Metropolis has emerged from the Phantom Zone. Something's wrong in the Zone – something terrible – and Superman must enter alone to find out what. From the pages of Absolute Power and Batman/Superman World's Finest comes a new action epic unlike any you've seen before from the visionary creative team of Mark Waid and Clayton Henry. Plus the woman of tomorrow is here today Supergirl Special's Mariko Tamaki and Skylar Patridge returned to bring Kara to the farthest reaches of space in pursuit of a mysterious threat only she can handle
ACTION COMICS #1071 Written by Mark Waid and Mariko Tamaki Art by Clayton Henry, Michael Shelfer and Skylar Patridge $4.99 40 page $5.99 cardstock 10/16/24 Trapped in the Phantom Zone investigating the ethereal prison created by his father, Superman finds himself helpless before the dreaded Phantom King. But what surprise reveals is in store for him? A clue lies in Superman's teenage years. Plus Supergirl finds itself on trial that she comes face-to-face with the judge of the United Planets highest court
ACTION COMICS #1072 Written by Mark Waid and Mariko Tamaki Art by Clayton Henry, Michael Shelfer and Skylar Patridge $4.99 40 page $5.99 cardstock 10/23/24 The Secret History of one of Superman's oldest friends Mon-El is revealed at his deadly connection to Xa-Du, the Phantom King leaves Superman speechless! The Man of Steel's mission into the corrupt heart of the zone continues in the most shocking installment yet of the Action Comics weekly as the grand villain behind its peril stands poised to strike. Plus Supergirl finds herself in pursuit of an assassin seeking justice of their own
ACTION COMICS #1073 Written by Mark Waid and Mariko Tamaki Art by Clayton Henry, Michael Shelfer and Skylar Patridge $4.99 40 page $5.99 cardstock 10/30/24 It's Race Against Time for Superman and Mon-El to prevent the lethal forces of Xa-Du and Arthyr from converging. But to save the present, the Man of Steel is forced to face the past. It's the dramatic return of Krypton's Last Son to his home world as the Man Of Tomorrow voyages to the City of Yesterday. Plus, Kara meets the being at the centre of her quest. What could they have done to cause the whole universe to unite against them? Find out in the next thrilling chapter of Supergirl
Superman #19 (October 23) – Superstar artist Dan Mora joins Joshua Williamson in a new story arc spinning out of Absolute Power. One of Superman’s most lethal enemies returns as the Man of Steel and Superwoman (Lois Lane) deal with the return of the rampaging Doomsday, but how long will Lois’s newfound powers last? And as if Doomsday isn’t trouble enough, another one of Superman’s greatest enemies lurks in the shadows: the Time Trapper.
Original recipe Mon-El in Action Comics, from Waid. Time Trapper lurkings in Superman, from Williamson. At the same time. That is no coincidence.
And at Geoff Johns' current rate, the next issue of JSA with the entire Legion will be delayed to then as well.
Confirmed contents on the DC's Finest Legion volume.
"DC Finest: Zap Goes The Legion" will be published on 10 December and contain Adventure Comics #374-380 and #403; Action Comics #378-387, 389-392; Superboy #172-173, 176, 183-184, 188, 190-191, 193, 195, 197-203"
Confirmed contents on the DC's Finest Legion volume.
"DC Finest: Zap Goes The Legion" will be published on 10 December and contain Adventure Comics #374-380 and #403; Action Comics #378-387, 389-392; Superboy #172-173, 176, 183-184, 188, 190-191, 193, 195, 197-203"
Well, at least they included all of the Dave Cockrum stories.
I still hope there are enough young readers with the patience to get through all the stuff that leads up to Cockrum.
ELSEWORLDS: SUPERMAN VOL. 2 (2024 EDITION) Written by HOWARD CHAYKIN, DAVID TISHMAN, MARK FARMER, J.M. DeMATTEIS, KIM JOHNSON, and JOHN CLEESE Art by J.H. WILLIAMS III, ALAN DAVIS, JOHN BYRNE, AND MORE Cover by J.H. WILLIAMS III $34.99 US | 352 Pages | 6 5/8" x 10 3/16" | Softcover | ISBN: 978-1-77952-962-6 ON SALE 11/19/24 This second Superman Elseworlds volume includes the story of Superman's son growing up without a father, the Superman of England, a Superman raised in the 30th century, and an angel's attempt to help Linda Danvers (Supergirl) overcome the darkness within. Collects Son of Superman, Superboy's Legion #1-2, Supergirl: Wings, and Superman: True Brit!
I think SDCC is over now? Lots and lots of news out about books for the next year, and none of it Legion related as far as I know.
People were suspecting Lemire or Ewing on Legion but it looks like their books have already been announced. I'm thinking Mon-El and Time Trapper are all we're getting for a while. If they were setting up for a Legion book's return, surely that would have been presented with the other big books for later this year?
Remember during Rebirth when it was revealed Emerald Empress was part of Amanda Waller's very first Suicide Squad team, during the Justice League Vs Suicide Squad event? It gets brought up again in an upcoming issue of Absolute Power, and expanded upon.
Yes that is a mutated, skyscraper-sized, godhood Emerald Empress with eyes for arms. I wonder who the woman she's trapping is? Its all imaginary though so it didn't happen.
I can't tell if this issue was written by Mark Waid, or even which issue it is, but I'm glad all these Legion appearances are popping up. Hopefully a sign of things to come.
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