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Originally posted by Dev Em:
I'm giddy as a MLLASH at an Ambush Bug and Infectious Lass convention!

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and THAT is a WHOLE LOTTA giddiness!
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
WAITAMINIT-- what is this-- the 2nd ep?!!?

BRB...
 

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Posted by Dev Em on :
 
The first one os an hour and a half.
 

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Posted by Dev Em on :
 
Soo freaking amazing to this point. Deviations from the book are great so far and add a lot to the story.

Some of the stuff looks like it just came right off of the page of the comic.
 

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Posted by Crymsun Kid on :
 
Well, it's not over yet.. but I'm sold. Gonna go pick up the books. This is amazing.
 

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Posted by Dev Em on :
 
It would be so cool to win, or know someone from here that won the Stagger on role!
 

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Posted by Dev Em on :
 
I cannot waiit until next week!!!!!!
 

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Posted by Dev Em on :
 

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Originally posted by Crymsun Kid:
Well, it's not over yet.. but I'm sold. Gonna go pick up the books. This is amazing.

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The differences are minor ones from the books, watching this first will not deminish your enjoyment of the books.
 

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Posted by Chief Taylor on :
 
The preview makes me wonder where the series will go during this run. I saw some unfamiliar characters and situations previewed that didn't seem to fit where I thought the series would be ending its initial run! I guess I'll discuss the more spoiler-comicbooky things at Gym'll's and just stick to the series itself here!
 

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Posted by Crymsun Kid on :
 
Thank you for that, Chief! I don't want to know to much to soon!
 

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Posted by Outdoor Miner on :
 
Frank Darabont has said that they plan to take as many detours from the comic as they want to, so new situations isn't a surprise.
 

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Posted by Dev Em on :
 
I hate when they do not take into account that a lot of people would want to enter contests...still trying, but there are too many connections.
 

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Posted by Chief Taylor on :
 
I got my entry in! Hang in there, Dev.
 

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Posted by Chief Taylor on :
 
If I win, maybe they'll let me be a zombie cos-player!
 

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Posted by Dev Em on :
 
I am looking forward to the detours...as they will introducenew things into the story, and give the readers some unexpected surprises.

Great premier episode. They did not shy away from any Zombie Movie gore in this one. Great effects overall.
 

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Posted by Crymsun Kid on :
 
I missed the code, but good luck guys!
 

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Posted by Chief Taylor on :
 
It's "SURVIVAL", Crym!
 

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Posted by Crymsun Kid on :
 
Ohh.. thanks!!
 

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Posted by Chief Taylor on :
 
Loved Rick in this thing. Morgan, too! I'd read that Rick comes across kind of undeveloped in the premier, but I didn't think that at all. Nice subtle, natural way the actor has that does a lot with a little.
 

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Posted by Dev Em on :
 

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Originally posted by Chief Taylor:
The preview makes me wonder where the series will go during this run. I saw some unfamiliar characters and situations previewed that didn't seem to fit where I thought the series would be ending its initial run! I guess I'll discuss the more spoiler-comicbooky things at Gym'll's and just stick to the series itself here!

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Originally posted by Crymsun Kid:
Ohh.. thanks!!

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Go for it! Increases the chances for the LMB to represent!
 

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Posted by Dev Em on :
 
Got my entry in. Now to go to sleep and have zombie dreams...
 

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Posted by Dev Em on :
 

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Originally posted by Chief Taylor:
Loved Rick in this thing. Morgan, too! I'd read that Rick comes across kind of undeveloped in the premier, but I didn't think that at all. Nice subtle, natural way the actor has that does a lot with a little.

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Originally posted by Dev Em:
Got my entry in. Now to go to sleep and have zombie dreams...

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Sweet, meaty dreams, they are!
 

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Posted by Chief Taylor on :
 
Oh, I wanted to say something about foreshadowing in a coupla spots, but those that contain comics spoilers should most DEFINITELY be discussed on the Gym'll's thread! Episode spoilers, however, are fair game here!
 

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Posted by Dev Em on :
 
Yeah. Gonna have to watch what is said where...
 

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Posted by Jerry on :
 
30 minutes until the premier here in the west. Hope I can stay awake for it!
 

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Posted by Jerry on :
 
I managed to stay awake. Very good, The post apocalyptic feel and human drama of the book are there.
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
WALKING DEAD a ratings smash- CBR


 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
I'm so embarrassed, I thought it was only 1 hour and missed some things because of it!!

But I DVRed and will watch again this evening.
 

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Posted by Chief Taylor on :
 
Spoiler-free? It was FUCKING AWESOME!!!
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 

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Originally posted by Pov:
WALKING DEAD a ratings smash- CBR

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Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
I'm thrilled the premiere was a ratings hit! I know I tried to get a lot of my friends to tune in and many did, not knowing a thing about the comics. Everything about this is so cool: it's good for comics, it's good for television and it's good for the horror genre.

I even thought the actor who played Shane did a great job and from previous roles I've seen him in, I thought he was terrible. Maybe he just needed something good to showcase his talent.

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Some actors just mesh with certain roles. There can be a variety of reasons.

I'm holding off on celebrating the ratings until I see that they're consistently good.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
I think its okay to celebrate... I read on EW.com that 2 million is considered a ratings smash for AMC. 5+ million was a record-breaking sensation for them.

Here's hoping week two doesn't see the ratings dip to 1 million...

OK I watched it in full.

the torso zombie scene brought a tear to my eye... it was THAT touching. I *love* the actor playing Rick.

Getting on a strange horse when you haven't ridden one in years is STILL the dumbest move I have ever seen in a zombie-related comic or film. Getting bucked from one broke my collar bone as a kid. If that had happened here, well, it's over for you. Promise me none of you will do that in the event of a real zombie apocalypse.

Morgan went kinda batshit, didn't he? They are def. setting up his (and Duane's) return down the line. What made the scene with the wife so sad for me was that she didn't really LOOK dead... she looked like they could let her in and it would be okay. Speaking of which, that scene with Rick staring at her through the peephole was reaLLLy creepy!

That whole tank thing was totally different from the comic. I was glad to see it.

I really loved it overall.
 

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Posted by rickshaw1 on :
 
Where did you see it? I missed it, went to AMC, and the video isn't up.
 

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Posted by Dev Em on :
 
The opening scene blew my mind and proved that this thing was going to be beyond anything I could have imagined. If they were willing to do that, in the opening minutes...all bets are off for the show and what they are willing to show.

My dad also watched it, thanks to my talking about this since I heard about it months ago and he loved it as well.

For my money, Morgan and Duane stole the premier episode...not an easy feat when the whole thing was fantastic...but those two just took characters and made them into something truly special.

The crawler scene was great and made a bigger impact than the comic scene did for me. Having him hike after her a ways made it seem truly a sympathetic act on Ricks part and not just an afterthought as he drove by. He sought her out to put her out of the horrid exoistance she was in.

Morgans wife and the fact that she looked the most normal and undisturbed of all the zombies was great. The fishbowl scenes were creepy, as was the doorknob turning for lord knows how long.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
I noticed these zombies aren't exactly "Dawn of the Dead-remake" sprinting but they ain't "Night of the Living Dead-remake" stumblebums either... they can get a little quickness behind them, which amps the fright up for me.
 

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Posted by Dev Em on :
 
What's funny is that the remake Dawn of the Dead was on right beefore this, and I turned it on near the end where the mall cop blows up the big group of them. The runners are truly more frightening...not necessarily more deadly...because of the speed with which they travel.

I like that The Walking Dead can have them amp it up a bit if there's something to chase.

I noticed that they just amble around or actually go motionless otherwise...until a meal happens by.
 

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Posted by Chief Taylor on :
 
Oddly enough, the opening scene with the little girl zombie was pretty much the only part that didn't do it for me. I understand that it was a 'mission statement' of sorts, but other than the relatively little bit of facial damage near her mouth, she didn't come off particularly menacing. I think if she was either more scary looking or more aggressively attacking, it would've worked better. Maybe I'm just too desensitized to horror flicks, but I wasn't sold on her as I was elsewhere with the zombies in the episode. Other than her appearance, she seemed mostly like a child seeking help from an adult...who was promptly rewarded with a shot to the head. The Dawn of the Dead remake had a much more effective zombie kid scene in its opening minutes!

That's pretty much the only misstep in the entire episode as far as I'm concerned. Though if I came into this cold, I might've been unimpressed enough by it to be turned off so early into it. I guess they didn't want to traumatize the child actor too much!
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
I'll agree with CeeTee... I felt the opening was a slight misstep and borrowed too much from the DotD remake (and the scene from which this may have been borrowed was MUCH scarier).

People are already citing a '28 Days Later' borrow with the whole waking in the hospital post-apocalypse thing.
 

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Posted by Dev Em on :
 
The reason I say it blew my mind is that in DotD, the little girl is just thrown out the door. Not matter how much more viscious, the fact that she gets one to the head and it is shown is much more shocking to me than even having her take a bite out of someone.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
I do think the point I believe CeeTee made about these TWD TV zombies having a smidge of their old selves was shown very well by the little girl. What zombie stops to pick up a teddy bear? That wasn't shown by accident.
 

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Posted by Chief Taylor on :
 

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Originally posted by MLLASH:

People are already citing a '28 Days Later' borrow with the whole waking in the hospital post-apocalypse thing.

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Originally posted by Crymsun Kid:
Can you imagine waking up in the hospital like that? So creepy..

Anyone think anything strange about one of the zombies from the bus in Atlanta? He slowly started following Rick (i think that's his name) while he was on the horse, and looked like he had bit of emotion.. and then he later appeared again at the tank. He looks more intelligent than the others..

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Yeah, I've been wondering about that zombie as well. I think it may just be that he has become the focus of the zombie pics from the season...one of the ones they were most happy with the way the makeup and that turned out, so he gets a bit of extra face time...at least I hope so.
 

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Posted by Dev Em on :
 
Also, IMDB has the cast listings and episode count for everyone. Some interesting things to consider if you want to look at them.
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
IS IT SUNDAY NIGHT YET??!?!?!?
 

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Posted by THE LABRADORIAN on :
 
I saw the show and it was awesome, i've read the comics which were fantastic, and judging by the pics I've seen, they seem to be following the comic....well at least some story elements, whether they stray from the comic remains to be seen.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
I kept looking for TWD artist Charlie Adlard as one of the zombies but I just don't know what he looks like well enough to pick him out. I think it's really cool though that he got to be a zombie extra in the premiere!
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
Kirkman should TOTALLY be a zombie sometime... A wellFED zombie, true...
 

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Posted by Dev Em on :
 
Read some stuff on AMCC threads about the series, and I find it hilarious that people are actually upset about the Horse getting eaten. I mean really?

Also they are trying to justofy Rick being in a coma for a month with no food or water. Simple. He wasn't. The Hospital lasted longer than most places but eventually was overcome, not long before Rick woke up. Also, his wound would not have necessarily induced a coma, but medication they had him on may have been used to keep him still as to not move the wrong way while getting better.

Simple explanations thought of in seconds. Why do people get all riled up about things like that when it is a show about dead people getting up and trying to eat their neighbors?
 

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Posted by THE LABRADORIAN on :
 
I agree
if you want to watch a show about zombies over running the world, dont get worked over little things that defy "your" explanation.
 

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Posted by Outdoor Miner on :
 

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Originally posted by Dev Em:
Simple explanations thought of in seconds. Why do people get all riled up about things like that when it is a show about dead people getting up and trying to eat their neighbors?

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Possibly for the same reasons people get riled up about things that happen in comic books.
 

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Posted by Dev Em on :
 
Good point.
 

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Posted by Blacula on :
 
Is anyone else getting as tired as I am of hearing people complain about the beginning "Oh, 28 Days Later did that first"?

I feel like beating them over the head with a copy of The Day of the Triffids!
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
That's why I choose to never interact with non-comic book fans!
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 

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Originally posted by rickshaw1:
Where did you see it? I missed it, went to AMC, and the video isn't up.

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Rick,

AMC announced on Facebook they are now streaming episode 1 and will stream ONLY episode 1. So you can watch it now there but I assume from the phrasing they used you will need to watch the rest of the episodes as they air on AMC Sunday nights.
 

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Posted by Dev Em on :
 
Just watched the first episode again. Even more impressed with it the second time around. Morgan and Duane should get their own show. Those two were just awesome. I'd love to see them come back into the series earlier and under different circumstances (those of you who read know what aI mean.)

So looking forward to tomorrow night and episode 2. Andrea and Glen in action. So geeked for this show!!! I want the DVD for season 1 now!!!
 

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Posted by Blacula on :
 
I just watched it and really enjoyed it. I think I would have enjoyed it even more if I hadn't been familiar with the comic since I spent the whole time comparing the two, but it was still really good.

The production/design/visuals/sound effects side was the most impressive part to me. Some seriously excellent (and undoubtedly expensive) work done there.

I was slightly disappointed by the opening credits though. True Blood has a MUCH better opening and even that fan-made one that was floating around a few weeks ago was better. I especially hate how only three of the actors get faces with their names. A weird choice for what is obviously an ensemble storyline.

While I'm nit-picking - I didn't like the song choice at the end either. Either as a piece of music in general or one suited to the scene. That was a big surprise to me too because normally Darabont is spot-on with his music choices and the Walker Brothers song in the trailer was perfect. But hating that song kinda ruined the ending for me.

I liked the way this opening chapter just concentrated on Rick, Morgan and Duane though - introduces us to the world and setting through more focused eyes before we start meeting all the other characters.

Responding to Dev Em above, I'm going to have give away some spoilers from the comic while I compare my predictions of where the show is going to where the book went (so don't click on this box if you haven't read the book) -


Click Here For A Spoiler OK, so we all know that when we next meet Morgan and Duane, Duane is a zombie and Morgan can't bring himself to kill him. It occurred to me that that whole drama/storyline/character-crisis-of-conscience was played out here with the wife and his inability to shoot her. Doing it again later with his son would just seem like a retread for these characters IMO. So that is one departure from the comic I definitely hope to see them make.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
Blacs, I think the Morgan/Duane sitch they set up in the show perfectly sets up their return down the line to follow the comic (with MUCH more pathos, esp. if Morgan's actions in episode 1 were the reason why-- Well, spoliers omitted). So in this case I kinda hope they follow the comic!

I actually liked the ending song!

But-- I *totally* agree with you re: only 3 of the cast having pictures in the opening credits. I am a FOOL for pics in the opening credits (plus it lets me learn who the actors' real names are) so I do hope this is altered to include all the current characters. The only reason I can think that it wouldn't is because either the cast is going to change FAST or this was a "pilot"/first ep so they weren't sure at the time if it was even going forward and didn't bother. I really do hope this changes!
 

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Posted by Chief Taylor on :
 
I felt like the thing with Morgan and Duane was definitely setting up what would happen later when Rick comes back for them. But I wouldn't be upset if things play out differently.

Blacula, I would strongly encourage you to post more spoilery speculation, such as what you bring up here, on the TWD comics thread on Gym'll's. IMO, it's just more appropriate there since there are probably a number of people here experiencing TWD for the first time on TV.

No offense intended!
 

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Posted by Blacula on :
 
None taken.

But I don't read the comics thread until a new TPB is out - and only then up to the page/post that concerns the latest issue in the TPB. So I'm perpetually behind in that thread and don't go into it much for fear of spoilers.

The other reasons I posted it here are because -

a) there may be people in that thread who aren't watching the show (I know I wouldn't have been able to see it unless my friend illegally downloaded it) so talking about the show in that thread might be spoiling it for them.

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b) my spoiler is directly related to where I think the show is going and the writing/directing choices that I think the showrunners will make - and that just seemed more appropriate to this thread.

As a person who HATES spoilers I appreciate your effort to keep this thread spoiler-free CT, but I think some things will inevitably end up being discussed (especially as the show starts departing from the comics as the writers have said it will). Hopefully when that happens people can remember to use spoiler boxes in their posts like I did.

Speaking of which -

Click Here For A Spoiler You and Lash probably should have used these boxes when you mentioned that we'd be seeing Morgan and Duane again.

And getting back to them - unless the show goes in the opposite direction the comic did and has Morgan gather the strength to kill zombie-Duane, I can't see how following what the comic did there will be anything but a retread for his character. We've already seen him go through the anguish of losing a family member to the plague and then trying and failing to make himself put them out of their 'misery'. Seeing that happen again later would just be spinning wheels with this character.

You guys could be right in that the zombie-wife sets us up for zombie-Duane later on but if so, the only way I can see that working from a writing/character standpoint is if they change it so that he does finally gather the strength to kill him.

Now that I think about it, I agree with you both - the writers are setting us up for that scene. But with the opposite outcome. I wonder what that will mean for Morgan's character though - since that failure to kill Duane seems to be a pretty defining part of his character (at least in where I've read up to so far).

[ November 07, 2010, 01:37 AM: Message edited by: Blacula ]
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
yeah CeeTee, no sense in driving ourselves nuts over spoilers... maybe it's the decade-plus message board poster in me (which I know you can match me for to practically the day) but I feel like posters have got to be more spoiler-savvy these days.
 

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I actually liked the ending song!

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Originally posted by MLLASH:
OOoh-- forgot to mention:

How do you guys feel about the zombies using ROCKS to smash that window? I'm not sure how much I like this.

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^A little on the fence about that one, Lash. Kinda continues the "smart zombie" fears I had about last episode. Also, for a moment there, it looked like the zombies were gonna climb the ladder behind Rick and Glenn. Glad it didn't happen. I don't mind a little here and there, but I hope they don't cross a line.

Also, interesting how Shane and Lori seem much more a couple this time around. Their tonsil-tango last ep implied as much, but the opening moments here really confirmed. The comic implied that they only had sex once and that Lori was never that into Shane even before Rick showed up. Seeing them like that really made me feel bad for Rick...and for Carl, too.

LOVED the dismemberment of the zombie to get Glenn and Rick all gored-up! Other cool gross-outs included that one getting sliced on the side of her face and that other one getting a righteous ax to the head! I very much approve! More proof that AMC is really going all-out in the gore dept. here.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
Also, that zombie that jumped the gate!! I don't think they should do that either...
 

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Posted by Chief Taylor on :
 
Hm. Somehow that didn't bother me as much as one climbing a ladder. Maybe because the fence is only so tall?
 

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Posted by Dev Em on :
 
The rock didn;t bother me much.

None of them actually vlimbed the ladder, which probably would have boothered me.

Having them try the fence, for some reason does not bother me too much. Marbe teh ones that were close to making it over the fence were a little fresher to the undead side and retained a bit more muscle mass.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
Total viewers for last night's episode: 4.7 million. TWD is an unparallelled success for AMC.

Season 2 is OFFICIALLY greenlighted, as can be confirmed by checking ew.com or AMC's site.

YAY!!!!!
 

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Posted by Lash Em on :
 
Great news. Now I hope they are ready to start shooting Season Two quick. Any word on when season two will start airing?
 

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Posted by Jerry on :
 
What time does this show come on in your time zones? It comes on at 11:00 p.m in Tucson, and ends at midnight. I just can't do that on a Sunday night because my work week has me up at 5:00 a.m on Monday morning. I fell asleep before last night's episode and I'm pretty bummed.

Is this a problem for anyone else? Is AMC nuts? Is it a Tucson thing? Am I just getting too damn old?
 

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Posted by Chief Tay-LASH on :
 
It starts at 10 in the eastern time zone. I assume it shows pretty late because of its content, Jer. No DVR or VCR as alternatives for viewing?
 

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Posted by Jerry on :
 
I've never been much of a recorder. Just about everything technical in my house has broken in the last two weeks, the mailbox key is lost, and there is a snake in the garage. I might get around to pulling out the DVR manual by Thanksgiving...
 

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Posted by Lash Em on :
 
As far as the fence thing goes...only a few actually tried, only some of those would have made it, and only one got over. It was a pretty small fence anyway, so momentum got them over in my opinion...and the lack of too many pressing up against them.

There is talk of higher fences on the Image boards... Click Here For A Spoileras in the prison fences,, which I do not see being an issue. The Zeds do not have the dexterity to climb those and manuever themselves over the B-wire.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
11? Wow, that's late... comes on at 9 here, which I could do even if I was working.

Meanwhile, I'm totes digging the implication in Dev's spoler! I think I'll pay a visit to... **GASP!** the Image boards.
 

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Posted by ActorLad on :
 
I only saw my 1st ep ("Guts") last night but I enjoyed it well enough.
 

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Posted by rouge on :
 
Really didn't like the second episode. Too much filler and deviation from the books. The new characters were mostly cliches and the dialogue was weak (showing that the strength of the first episode really did come from the source material).

I didn't tell my wife that most of the episode wasn't based on the books until after I got her reaction, which was it wasn't nearly as good as the first one.

Hopefully it gets back on track next week.
 

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Posted by ML LSH on :
 
Rogue, upon a subsequent viewing of Episode 2, I lean more toward your point of view, but I am still enjoying it.

Aside from Rick and Glenn's walk in gore (which for me was a real nail-biter), NONE of this episode was from the comic and I do agree that it hurt the episode.

Yet I am STILL looking forward to episode 3!

EPISODE 3 SPOLIERFEST in 6 hours 15 minutes and counting...
 

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Posted by Lash Em on :
 
Liked episode 3 a lot. Not quite what happened in the comic, but it keeps some of the same themes from them going. This whole Merle thing is a bit tedious though, and fromt he looks of the preview...we have another group in Atlanta.
 

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Posted by ML LSH on :
 
ALL EPISODE 3 SPOILERS FOLLOW THIS SENTENCE... ALSO COMIC PLOTLINES FROM EARLY ISSUES TO # 30-SOMETHING MENTIONED!

YooooooooKAY. Looks like Merle has totally stolen Rick's schtick at the end, there, huh? I don't really care for that plotline. I wonder if they are possibly setting up Merle to be a certain governer down the road?

Lori sure didn't surgarcoat anything for Shane, did she? I did actually feel bad for the guy, whereas I didn't really in the comic. I actually kinda like Shane.

Carol kinda didn't look right, did she? I guess they kinda didn't need another blonde. She was just perfect though, as a crybaby pushover, which she definitely was. I don't mind how she looks different than I expected.

Signs of future Andrea-awsomosity are already showing.

Hate Ed. LOVED Shane taking his anger out on him!

I think it's pretty clear they won't be getting past the first trade this season... IF they make it that far...
 

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Posted by ML LSH on :
 

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Originally posted by Lash Em:
Liked episode 3 a lot. Not quite what happened in the comic, but it keeps some of the same themes from them going. This whole Merle thing is a bit tedious though, and fromt he looks of the preview...we have another group in Atlanta.

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I guess I really need to just let go of the comic when I watch this because they are changing it up a LOT... but it's hard to do.
 

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Posted by Lash Em on :
 
They are changing things up...and overall I do not mind it. I just don't like the backwater bigot brothers. They can both have a bullet inthe head for all I care about the characters at this point.

That aside...Rick makes it back to camp, and they go back to the city for guns. Close enough broad stroke to keep the comic flow going. The asides are alright.

Looks like a big attack is happening next week at the camp, or at least being set up by the end of the next episode. I figure we'll see a few characters get bit...

Regarding Shane...definately like him better here than in the comic, although he is pretty low in both. Going after his best friends wife...pretty low, especially if Lori is telling the truth about him telling her that Rick was dead. They making that whole triangle come alive better than in the comic...imho. Wouldn't mind seeing it simmer for a while. Almost felt sorry for Ed for half a second...but was glad to see Shane have someone who deserved his wrath get his ass whooped.
 

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Posted by Chief Tay-LSH on :
 
Looking back, there was some untapped story potential left out there by leaving the Atlanta area so soon. It makes sense that we're seeing more survivors in that area than we did in the comic.

From a TV budget standpoint, it's expensive to show, say, Atlanta, Wilshire Estates and the beginnings of the prison all within six episodes. I'm okay with these six essentially being Book One with some detours. From the moment I saw the series announced as initially being six episodes, that's what immediately popped in to mind, anyway.

No, I'm not crazy about Merle, but the actor playing him is doing a good job with what he was given. And characters like him and his brother provide more inter-group friction than what we saw early on in the comic.

I also loved Rick's rationale for going back into Atlanta. The guns, the debt to Morgan and Duane, Dale's tools--I really liked that!

I just hope Rick finds his HAT, though, because Carl looks positively naked without it! I mean, when's the last time we saw Carl depicted without it in the book? If Rick'd managed to keep hold of it, right before going back would've been the perfect moment to give him the hat! (He's GOTTA find it!!!)
 

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Posted by Lash Em on :
 
FIND THE HAT!!!!

Totally agree with that.
 

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Posted by Chief Tay-LSH on :
 

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Originally posted by Lash Em:

Almost felt sorry for Ed for half a second...but was glad to see Shane have someone who deserved his wrath get his ass whooped.

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I seem to remember describing her husband/Sophia's father in the comic once or twice in the comic, though we never met him there. I don't know if she said he was abusive or if they were divorced or whatever. Anyone recall?

Maybe when/if Ed kicks it, she'll grow her hair out. the way he was depicted, I wouldn't be surprised if her short hair was his decision as a control mechanism. It's hard to imagine the Carol we see here eventually hooking up with whom she eventually does. (Kirkman hinted in the TWD lettercol that that character will eventually appear.) I guess we'll see.

In a way Ed and Carol and the confrontation with Shane here reminded me a lot of something very recently that happened in the comic with different characters.
 

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Posted by Lash Em on :
 
Yeah, there seems to be a lot of little nods to other things from various timeframes in the comics so far. Had not heard that about the character to appear...hopefully next season.

Just watched a preview for the next episode...Jim gets a little bit of a spotlight. Which I'm glad to see. Woonder if they'll keep his story intact from the comics...
 

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Posted by Chief Tay-LSH on :
 
Looks-wise, Jim is indisputably the most spot-on actor cast for this show! I liked what we saw of him here, what little there was. He looked like he was just being Jim and not acting, if that makes any sense. He was a man of few words in the book, but he just felt right. I hope we get to know him a little better however things may play out here. (I am, however, going on the record in favor of characters from the books more or less following their book destinies.)
 

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Posted by Chief Tay-LSH on :
 
By the way, Episode 4 to air next week is the one written by Kirkman! The episode is entitled "Vatos" and is described as follows: "Rick runs into unforseen problems, which get in the way with his mission to return to Atlanta. In the meantime back at camp, Jim seems to be going off the deep end."

Interesting....Jim makes the brief episode description.
 

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Posted by Chief Tay-LSH on :
 
Fuck! The Wikipedia article <sorry, it won't let me link> lists Tyreese amongst the Supporting Cast! If that's accurate, that's the first I've heard that he will appear in this initial run!!!
 

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Posted by Poverty LASH on :
 
Tonight's episode was my favorite yet... first time I watched the encore. Daryl is a great "new" character. Looking forward to next week!
 

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Posted by Lsh Em on :
 
Episode 1 = 5.3
Episode 2 = 4.7
Episode 3 = 5.1

Way to go Walking Dead!!!!!!!
 

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Posted by ML LSH on :
 
Yep, I was just about to post that Episode 3's ratings (5.1 million viewers) improved heavily on episode 2's and ALMOST matched episode 1's.

AMC would be wise to fast-track Season 2's production.

But I have a horrible, horrible feeling we won't see season 2 before September 2011.
 

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Posted by l.e.g.i.o.n.JOHN on :
 
My Girlfriend pointed out that Jacqui's hair was still relaxed, and she found it impossible that during this whole Zombie Apocalypse that her hair hasn't reverted back to it's natural state. not sure how long the whole thing started, but unless she's got a stash of relaxer, neutralizer, and conditioner somewhere in the camp she should've had a big ole' afro by now.
 

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Posted by ML LSH on :
 
Rick was in the hospital a month so it hasn't been super-long since it all started.

I did notice one lady at camp (episode 1 maybe) who did have a nifty fro working.

But after seeing GOOD HAIR (very interesting movie, I liked it a lot) I can believe Jacqui might have taken her hair products!!
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
I'm with Lash in that I'm actually really liking Shane here and can really empathize with him. What's to come should be all the more tragic!

And I agree: FIND THE HAT!
 

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Posted by THE LABRADORIAN on :
 
I dont like shane, he told her rick was dead, granted he may not have thought rick could survive in a hospital that was possibly overrun...or he had other motives.
 

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Posted by l.e.g.i.o.n.JOHN on :
 
i have to agree with the LABRADORIAN, after the talk RIck and Shane had about the girl Shane was seeing(before Rick got shot) which made Shane seem like as if he didn't want to be in a steady relationship now he wants to be a faithful mate and family man with his partners with and son? i guess a Zombie Apocalypse can really change a man, but now that Rick is back is Shane willing to let go?
 

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Posted by Lsh Em on :
 
THE HAT!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Posted by Chief Tay-LSH on :
 
^ You beat me to it!!!
 

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Posted by ML LSH on :
 
EPISODE 4 SPOILERAMA!!!


AT LAST: THE HAT!!!

Tonight's Kirkman-written episode has been a total divergencefest, and it has been EXCELLENT.

You can SO tell he wishes he had done more with... certain characters who aren't around anymore.

I have ***LOVED*** how the stand-off workjed out...!

And it's not even OVER yet....
 

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Posted by ML LSH on :
 
OHHHH NOOOOOOOOO!

What a tear-jerker ending... By far the best episode to date...
 

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Posted by Lsh Em on :
 
Great episode all the way around. Twist and turn on the gang bangers. The hat makes a return. Scenes basically right out of the book at the end.

Figures Kirkman wrote this one...great episode.
 

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Posted by Chief Tay-LSH on :
 
God that was awesome! When I heard "I've gotta go pee," I realized what was coming.

Absolutely devastating.

Anyone keep track of who died? Two confirmed. Wife says she saw a third but wasn't sure who. Going by the preview, I'm pretty sure another got bit whom fans of the series would recognize.
 

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Posted by Lsh Em on :
 

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Originally posted by Chief Tay-LSH:
^ You beat me to it!!!

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Originally posted by Chief Tay-LSH:
God that was awesome! When I heard "I've gotta go pee," I realized what was coming.

Absolutely devastating.

Anyone keep track of who died? Two confirmed. Wife says she saw a third but wasn't sure who. Going by the preview, I'm pretty sure another got bit whom fans of the series would recognize.

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Originally posted by Lsh Em:
Who I saw get bit/munched on... Click Here For A SpoilerJim, Amy, Ed, and at least a one or two other random non-named people. .

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Originally posted by Lsh Em:
Why am I liking Darryl and hoping he sticks around for a while. I wouldn't like the guy as a person, but he brings something to the show that is more believable than Mearle did/does.

Can't wait for him to show up again.

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I liked Daryl more and more as the episode went on. After he turned his crossbow on Rick, it seemed like he started to fit in. I also liked how he used Merle's hand on the prisoner.
 

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Posted by Chief Tay-LSH on :
 

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Originally posted by ML LSH:
That blonde zombie in the car-- that kid? Was that a stagger-on?

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Originally posted by Chief Tay-LSH:

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Originally posted by Lsh Em:
Who I saw get bit/munched on... Click Here For A SpoilerJim, Amy, Ed, and at least a one or two other random non-named people. .

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^I was so shocked at the turn of events (I was expecting Merle or Jim to lose it, not what actually happened) and by the sudden, shocking gore and violence that I had trouble keeping track of what happened to whom. I saw Jim swinging the shovel but didn't see anything else happen to him.

Honestly, the show had hypnotized me into thinking that this stuff wouldn't go down 'til episode six! And actually, prior to this episode the only zombie-caused fatality we'd witnessed to this point was the horse. That really sharpened the impact of what happened tonight, IMO.

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Originally posted by Chief Tay-LSH:

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Originally posted by Lsh Em:
Why am I liking Darryl and hoping he sticks around for a while. I wouldn't like the guy as a person, but he brings something to the show that is more believable than Mearle did/does.

Can't wait for him to show up again.

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I liked Daryl more and more as the episode went on. After he turned his crossbow on Rick, it seemed like he started to fit in. I also liked how he used Merle's hand on the prisoner.

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Originally posted by Chief Tay-LSH:
So, Dev, you think there were only two and a half fatalities shown in the camp?

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Originally posted by Lsh Em:
The casting people deserve an emmy for this show. So many of the characters are cast perfectly...but Glenn and Jim are like they jumped off the page.

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Originally posted by THE LABRADORIAN:
Great episode, i love the series as i did the comics. However, is it just me or does anyone else find the fact that you have a group of people who escape a nightmare to stay outdoors, no real protection and almost like they are camping. I guess i am old school but i find it ridiculous, you wouldnt stay outdoors and if you had to you would find something better then what they did.
Up and away is my motto.

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Originally posted by ML LSH:
It wouldn't be my choice at ALL, but they did confirm previously that they are up in a mountainy-type area, which was why they were surprised a zombie had found them.

And I guess they are nearby a water and food supply (the lake).

And I can see some appeal of being out in the open (LOTS more escape routes when there's no walls)... but me, I'd def. want to be indoors.

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Originally posted by Chief Tay-LSH:

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Originally posted by THE LABRADORIAN:
Great episode, i love the series as i did the comics. However, is it just me or does anyone else find the fact that you have a group of people who escape a nightmare to stay outdoors, no real protection and almost like they are camping. I guess i am old school but i find it ridiculous, you wouldnt stay outdoors and if you had to you would find something better then what they did.
Up and away is my motto.

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Well, in their defense I'd say they're still learning the rules. While we have a wealth of zombie movies to draw from, they do not. (Darabont and Kirkman have referenced this in interviews.) As far as they knew, there was a relative lack of zombies out in the country compared to Atlanta and towns like Rick's. They're learning how most of us do: the hard way.

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I am a huge fan of the comic (also enjoying the TV series) and it is my understanding that in their universe there is no zombie fiction before the disaster occurs. No fictional senarios to compare it to and as the other guy said "learning as they go". Personally, I would want to be behind some sort of heavy-duty barier though if I knew there were things out there that wanted to eat me... just my oppinion.
On another subject, still waiting to see if the show will be like the book in that any death and not just death by zombie bite results in becoming a zombie.
 

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Posted by Poverty LASH on :
 
Interesting about the spike in trade sales, Des... I wouldn't have thought to check those, but it definitely stands to reason. I wonder what people coming into the comics whose introduction to TWD has been the AMC series make of the source material...

And let me echo the cheers for THE HAT! The scene with Amy was much more powerful than the comic, I think, much like the one in the premier with Rick returning to put the zombie out of her misery. Some of the acting has been hit or miss, but Rick, Andrea, Glenn and Jim have been standouts.

I really like Darryl of the new intros.

And favorite death so far: ED.
 

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Posted by ML LSH on :
 
Shoot, I mis-reported earlier; Episode 4 had 4.8 million, still very good...

here's an article discussing the healthy ratings for all 4 episodes so far:

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2010/11/22/the-walking-dead-ratings-still-lively-for-fourth-episode/73032
 

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Posted by Chief Tay-LSH on :
 

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Originally posted by Iam Legion:
On another subject, still waiting to see if the show will be like the book in that any death and not just death by zombie bite results in becoming a zombie.

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Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
I've officially got my wife hooked on this series even though she is not a fan of zombies at all and actually gets pretty scared each episode!

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My wife's a fan of the show as well, but of course, it's one of my comics that she's been reading all along. She also likes Chew, American Vampire, Invincible, The Boys & Fables. I asked her recently, and she said TWD was her favorite of all of these.

She seemed devastated that the season is only running six episodes. Apparently, she hadn't realized that until last night. I explained to her that it's cable, the series is expensive, etc.

It's funny but zombies used to be her biggest monster movie fear. But I guess funnier takes like Shaun of the Dead and Zombieland helped ease her into it. She was instantly hooked on TWD and has watched 28 Days Later and even the excellent Dawn of the Dead remake recently.

(She still occasionally covers or averts her eyes during the really gory parts, though! )
 

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Posted by Lsh Em on :
 
nomnomnom
 

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Posted by Iam Legion on :
 
I just rewatched the episode.... is that girl zombie saying 'brraaaaains, brraaaaains, brraaaaains' durring the attack?!?
 

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Posted by ML LSH on :
 
I certainly hope not. It wasn't represented in the closed captioning at any rate. I'm sure if she had been, all of us would have been bitching incessantly about it (well, me at least).
 

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Posted by Dev Em on :
 
Zombie of the week...

http://blogs.amctv.com/photo-galleries/the-walking-dead-season-1-episode-photos/episode-4-walker.php
 

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Posted by ML LSH on :
 
Yeah she was ALL messed up.
 

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Posted by THE LABRADORIAN on :
 

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Originally posted by Dev Em:
Zombie of the week...

" target="_blank">http://blogs.amctv.com/photo-galleries/the-walking-dead-season-1-episode-photos/episode-4-walker.php[/QB][/QUOTE]
nice
and she hasnt managed to bite off the tongue yet
 

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Posted by Dave Hackett on :
 
My wife also likes it (although she really thinks the dialogue is very poor).

She had an interesting theory: Mearle managed to lure the zombies into the cube van and brought them up to the camp, that's why there were so many so close without Dale or anyone noticing them getting closer during the daylight.
 

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Posted by Iam Legion on :
 

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Originally posted by ML LSH:
I certainly hope not. It wasn't represented in the closed captioning at any rate. I'm sure if she had been, all of us would have been bitching incessantly about it (well, me at least).

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I was taking it as a joke, but I am pretty sure I heard a slurred 'brains' repeated from just that one zombie. I'll check it out again.....

*back*
Yes, after Amy is bitten and just before the group panics, a single female zombie stumbles into frame and slurs 'brains' twice. Then panic ensues. If it had been transcribed I think it would have come out as "brays, banes".
It was just the right combination of slurred yet obvious to make me think it was intended as a gag and not to indicate any intelligence nor craving for grey matter on the part of the zombies.

[ November 23, 2010, 07:34 AM: Message edited by: Iam Legion ]
 

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Posted by THE LABRADORIAN on :
 

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Originally posted by Dave Hackett:

She had an interesting theory: Mearle managed to lure the zombies into the cube van and brought them up to the camp, that's why there were so many so close without Dale or anyone noticing them getting closer during the daylight.

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I'm sorry thats just tooooooooo far out there to accept.
But thats just me
 

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Posted by Power Seid on :
 
HMM, i was assuming they followed someone. intentionally or unintentionally.


6 episodes???

aw man
 

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Posted by Dev Em on :
 
I think it just had to do with Glenn showing up the day or so before with the alarm blaring. Took a while for a group to stumble across them.

Don't think Mearle would do that...after all his brother is with them. And they seem pretty tight based on Darryl's attitude, and what the one guy said.

Besides, Someone would have heard the van approaching...or at least I would think so. It just fits in like the comic. It was time they started getting found. No real single cause.
 

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Posted by Dev Em on :
 

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Originally posted by Chief Lardy:

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Originally posted by Lsh Em:
Who I saw get bit/munched on... Click Here For A SpoilerJim, Amy, Ed, and at least a one or two other random non-named people. .

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^I was so shocked at the turn of events (I was expecting Merle or Jim to lose it, not what actually happened) and by the sudden, shocking gore and violence that I had trouble keeping track of what happened to whom. I saw Jim swinging the shovel but didn't see anything else happen to him.

Honestly, the show had hypnotized me into thinking that this stuff wouldn't go down 'til episode six! And actually, prior to this episode the only zombie-caused fatality we'd witnessed to this point was the horse. That really sharpened the impact of what happened tonight, IMO.

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Not Jim that was shown, but then again...my wife came home with groceries and was talking to me fromt he kitchen the las fifteen of the episode. Finally saw the attack again.

Ed, Amy, Shoulder bite guy and the woman who gets tackled definately gone. Gonna guess a few others as well. Would not be surprised given how the comic went to see someone else got bit as well...we just didn't see it actually happen.
 

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Posted by Dev Em on :
 

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Originally posted by Iam Legion:

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Originally posted by ML LSH:
I certainly hope not. It wasn't represented in the closed captioning at any rate. I'm sure if she had been, all of us would have been bitching incessantly about it (well, me at least).

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I was taking it as a joke, but I am pretty sure I heard a slurred 'brains' repeated from just that one zombie. I'll check it out again.....

*back*
Yes, after Amy is bitten and just before the group panics, a single female zombie stumbles into frame and slurs 'brains' twice. Then panic ensues. If it had been transcribed I think it would have come out as "brays, banes".
It was just the right combination of slurred yet obvious to make me think it was intended as a gag and not to indicate any intelligence nor craving for grey matter on the part of the zombies.

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I heard it as just groaning until I listened for it to be something else. I think it was just groaning that was sorta sounding like something...but that's just my opinion. It's be kinda funny if it was "brains" though.
 

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Posted by dedman on :
 
I'm loving the show so far.
I'm enjoying how it is following the main plot, but going of on little sidetrips to make the story a little different and to keep us long time readers guessing.

My wife is a big fan too. She has gotten hooked enough to start reading the trades
 

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Posted by Poverty LASH on :
 
10:15-- I knew that was coming... still... my stomach's in knots. Much more powerful than the single panel it garnered in the comic....
 

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Posted by ML LASH on :
 
WOW. All I can say. Loving it, divergences and all.
 

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Posted by ML LASH on :
 
To add:

Jim = great scene. Carol = great scene. Andrea = magnificent scenes.

Shane = intense scene!

Glenn and Dale both had small but meaningful scenes.

Top notch episode.
 

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Posted by Dev Em on :
 
Wow. Great episode. Enough scenes right from the comic, and a lot of new stuff.

WTF is up for the next episode? That looks seriously messed up.
 

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Posted by ML LASH on :
 
Next week looks to be totally off the comic... who knows what they're gonna do... but I did NOT like what I was seeing with Andrea...
 

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Posted by Chief Lardy on :
 
The previews flashed by so quickly it was hard to discern their meaning. It looked like Andrea was undergoing decon and freaking out?

I flipped thru the first trade after the episode...

Coulda sworn there was a scene similar to Rick and Shane in the forest, but there wasn't.

In the comic Andrea shot Amy immediately after she died.

Also, Jim's scenes from being bitten to being left were all within a few pages, all after he went into a berserker rage on the zombies that attacked the camp and unleashed his pent up rage over what happened to his family.

I like how the show made its changes on these aspects. All enhanced the original material very well. I might have ket Jim's rage scenes, but they did some fabulous things with the character. I'll miss him.

I have no idea what will come out of the CDC encounter in the finale, but I'm interested to see! Meanwhile, a few non-spoilers (things that WON'T happen in the finale) that I've read:

Click Here For A SpoilerNo Merle, Morgan or prison to be seen.

No idea whether a certain character survives into Season 2, but I've a hunch he/she will based on the slow-burn feel of how that plotline's being handled.
 

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Posted by ML LASH on :
 
POSSIBLE 2ndHAND INFO SPOILER!!!


I believe I have heard that certain character WILL DEFINITELY BE surviving into season 2.

I believe I read it at EW.com.

And I believe I am OK with this.
 

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Posted by ML LASH on :
 
re: The changes you list, I so agree they enhanced the episode and I *also* could have sworn the forest scene with Rick and Shane was lifted straight from the comic. Crazy.
 

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Posted by Chief Lardy on :
 
WOW! Last night's ep watched by more viewers than the premiere! That NEVER happens these days!!!
 

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Posted by ML LASH on :
 
Truly amazing!!
 

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Posted by Chief Lardy on :
 
Necro-tastic!!!
 

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Posted by ML LASH on :
 
So I like EW.com a lot, and THEY like TWD a lot so there's lots of articles and then people posting about it and stuff.

I'd say 90% of those fans have never read the comic.

A lot of them are calling TWD, "My new Lost". I never watched Lost. So, those that watched LOST, my question is: Is TWD the new LOST? If so, what makes it the new LOST?


(an EW aside: One of the EW writers called Adlard AdLER. I posted: "I hate to go all comic-book geek on your butt, but his last name is AdlARD." I got a e-mail response thanking me for catching the error; I responded back that I love EW and love that EW loves TWD.
 

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Posted by Chief Lardy on :
 

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Originally posted by ML LASH:

A lot of them are calling TWD, "My new Lost". I never watched Lost. So, those that watched LOST, my question is: Is TWD the new LOST? If so, what makes it the new LOST?

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I'd say the thing about TWD most reminiscent of Lost at this point is occurring in these last two episodes with the CDC. The scenes of the scientist alone in there reminded me somewhat of similar stuff done in Losts's hatch.

If TWD decides to make the show largely gravitate around the mystery of what happened with the outbreak, then it would feel a lot more like Lost. Obviously, the comic has rarely lingered much on that aspect and has always been much more about survival in such an apocalyptic scenario along with the social implications. I hope the TV series sticks to that and that the CDC stuff doesn't shape the series into that kind of show. I love Lost, but I'm not looking for something that tries to ape it. I honestly don't think that TWD will be doing that.

To me, though, calling TWD "my new Lost" is more about how it potentially is the next show to inspire a huge cult following and of it being another high-quality show with a sci-fi bent. I suspect that is more what the posters meant by that comparison.
 

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Posted by Chief Lardy on :
 

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Originally posted by ML LASH:
(an EW aside: One of the EW writers called Adlard AdLER. I posted: "I hate to go all comic-book geek on your butt, but his last name is AdlARD." I got a e-mail response thanking me for catching the error; I responded back that I love EW and love that EW loves TWD.

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NEVER forget the LARD!!!
 

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Posted by ML LASH on :
 
Kirkman himself recaps every episode over there, and he did seem to prefer to want to keep the focus on the people fighting to survive and not the WHYS of it all.

He also stated that the comic will ALWAYS be the road the TV show travels, with the ocassional off-road excursion.

He also seriously laments not being able to go back in time and insert Darryl into the comic, something I (am surprised that I) find myself agreeing with.
 

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Posted by Dev Em on :
 
I absolutely LOVED Darryls expression when when Carol was taking care of her half eaten husband...over and over. You just know it's messed up when he looks at you like you're nuts.
 

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Posted by Dave Hackett on :
 
Adi Tantimedh makes some interesting points against the show:

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/11/29/look-it-moves-by-adi-tantimedh-76-more-dead-more-walking-less-braaains/

Agree? Disagree?
 

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Posted by Dave Hackett on :
 
Ok, a few complaints from me (why am I always the stinker?):

Spoilers from the book follow:

Click Here For A SpoilerI'm a bit of a purist so I don't like the detours from the book (hate the Lord of the Rings films too BTW), but I'm living with that barring a few exceptions:

It seems that some of the stuff they are changing is so they can play it safe.

They seem to be diverging form the Shane death, mostly because they don't want to put a gun in a kid's hand and deal with that. Imagine the flak they'd get from groups of all political stripes for having a ten year old killing with a gun, even on cable? But it's still an important and serious part of the book and marks Carl's development.

The polygamist relationship has been dropped, though a bit of a Andrea/Dale bond formed here. That was another important indicator that societal "norms" were out the window, it was strange to just drop it.
 

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Posted by Iam Legion on :
 


[ December 06, 2010, 09:09 AM: Message edited by: Iam Legion ]
 

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Posted by Chief Lardy on :
 
***spoilers from the book***

Dave, regarding the "polygamist relationship" being dropped, to this point there has never been one portrayed in TWD. If you're referring to Dale, Amy and Andrea, there was never any polygamy involved there. Dale simply took the two under his wing and they stayed in his RV. There was never any sex or romantic elements in there until after Amy died when Dale and Andrea began having sex during their stay at Wilshire Estates. From that point on, Dale and Andrea were a couple.

It's true that Donna thought there was something going on among the three at the campsight, but Kirkman clarified that that was just her spin on it, especially as he made such a big deal of their consummation scene.

If you're referring to Carol wanting to have a polygamous relationship with Rick and Lori, that happened during the prison era. Still, Lori and Rick never went along with it, which helped lead Carol to her suicide (along with other factors).

I agree that polygamy would be a natural theme to explore during the TWD story, but so far the series has had none to adapt from the source material.
 

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Posted by Chief Lardy on :
 

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Originally posted by Iam Legion:
I love the Comic series. I like the TV series a lot. However if ____ does not die (and within the first 2 episodes of the second season) and die at the hand of _____, then I will stop watching the show. That part of the story is nescesary.

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Click Here For A SpoilerI agree that Shane's death shouldn't be altered, but I've nothing against the show exploring things at more length and depth than it was in the comic. At this point I have no solid reason to doubt that Shane will eventually die by Carl's hand. The show is slowly setting up for a confrontation to be sure. I doubt I would drop the show if his fate is different, but I'd be disappointed.

[ December 04, 2010, 11:06 AM: Message edited by: Chief Lardy ]
 

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Posted by Dev Em on :
 

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Originally posted by Dave Hackett:
Adi Tantimedh makes some interesting points against the show:

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/11/29/look-it-moves-by-adi-tantimedh-76-more-dead-more-walking-less-braaains/

Agree? Disagree?

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First off:

"they basically rejected the use of metaphor subtext and satire in the story, as if deeper thinking and layering in storytelling was a bad thing."

I think there is a big assumption on his part here. I took their stance to mean that they were not trying to make a "Dawn of the Dead" consumerism type analogy witht heir story...not that they were not going to have deeper thinking and layering.

I see a lot of different thing happening in the first 6 episodes. I also think that the writer is not taking into account that they had no idea that they would get a second season until well after the shooting for the first season wrapped. Sure they hoped, and probably set up some things tho carry forward...but there were no guarentees. They needed to capture the audience instead of worrying about having a subtextual gimmick.

It seems to me that the writer does not really get what they are trying to do here. They are doing a show based on a comic that is about how people survive in the world that is overrunby a nightmare. This isn;t a hour and a half movie that can be wrapped up in a nice neat bow with a wink and a nod to the camera at the end to say "look, did you see what I did there...I made a statement against such and such. That was not Kirkmans goal for this book, and now series.

The story is about the humancondition and how fragile it is given the right circumstances.

Comparing a television show (even the comic) to movies is not a good benchmark for his argument. Let's see the original Dawn of the Dead (and let it be known that I love that movie) last another 4 - 4 1/2 hours and sustain it's consumerism undertones. Not going to happen without people getting annoyed that you are beating them over the head with it. Television shows have to be fluid moving things.

He had a lot of interesting things to say, I just do not think he thought it through...but that's just my opinion.
 

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Posted by Dev Em on :
 

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Originally posted by Iam Legion:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Iam Legion:
I love the Comic series. I like the TV series a lot. However if ..... does not die (and within the first 2 episodes of the second season) and die at the hand of .... defending ..... , then I will stop watching the show. That part of the story is nescesary. If they don't do it then the show will end up as butchered as the 'Harry Potter' films with most of the heart and soul carved from it.

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Click Here For A SpoilerI think Shane will die sometime n the second season...and it will be extremely similiar to the book. However, if it happens at the end of the season...as long as good stories continue to flow...I'm not gonna mind. They're building tension, the best way they see to do it for television.

[ December 04, 2010, 11:08 AM: Message edited by: Dev Em ]
 

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Posted by Dave Hackett on :
 
Well, they just fired the writers, so something's going to change for next season:

http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/2010/12/01/the-walking-dead-axes-writing-staff-considers-freelancers-for-season-2/
 

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Posted by Kid Prime on :
 
I read the same thing today. However, I disagree. I don't think much is going to change. The writing staff honestly didn't do that much this season. Darabont wrote two of the episodes, and Kirkman wrote one. Another freelancer wrote another one. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if this "firing" is just procedural, and he brings some of the writing staff back as freelancers next season. Of course this is all contingent on union rules, but surely this is hardly a gloom-an-doom decision. It's the biggest show ever on basic cable, after all. I'm loving it, btw.
 

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Posted by Crymsun Kid on :
 
I have been loving this show! After the first ep, I had to go out and read the entire comic series.. So good. I don't normally like the horror genre, but this has me hooked.

Is it just me, or does it seem like Merle might end up being the Governor?
 

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Posted by Chief Lardy on :
 

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Originally posted by Crymsun Kid:
Is it just me, or does it seem like Merle might end up being the Governor?

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I hope not because, after all, the Governor should end up being the Governor! Seriously, he should end up being his own original character. Not to mention that Merle doesn't appear to have a zombie daughter to feed!

It has occurred to me, though, that Merle might pop up in Woodbury down the line. They've got something in mind, otherwise they wouldn't be setting all this up, and as I (anti-)spoiled earlier, I've read that neither Merle nor Morgan will be popping up in Sunday's season finale. So Woodbury would be a nice potential landing spot for Merle down the line. But I wouldn't be fond of the idea of making him into the Governor.
 

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Posted by doublechinner on :
 
So, I'm record at this forum as HATING zombie stuff. It really does terrify me. Having people close to me be turned into enemies/monsters has always been more terrifying to me than just about anything else I can imagine (and I can imagine a LOT). So I'm amazed that I've been able to watch The Walking Dead, and more or less enjoy it. The acting and the characters are so well done I've been able to squint through the horrific zombie attacks.

Last week's episode was particularly powerful and hard (for me) to take, precisely because the characters lost people close to them, and we got to see how different characters reacted differently to that. I figured battered wife (Carol?) would have her comeuppance at some point. Didn't think it would be so quick. But the way that relationship and its end was handled was extremely subtle and powerful.

I also have to say that the scene at dusk outside the CDC at the end was one of the most terrifying things I've witnessed. Total confusion, overflowing emotion, the demoralizing dimness of dusk, a gathering gloom almost worse than the darkness of night. Just overwhelming. And then, Monday night, I had that very experience -- intruders in our back yard that I couldn't see, the dog barking and biting them, the confusion over what was going on. It's all been a good test of my resilience (although I didn't sleep again until last night).
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
Yeah those last few minutes outside the CDC were pretty horrific. I was terrified that half of those corpses were going to stand up at any second.

DC, you make a good point about why some people DON'T enjoy the zombie genre, a point I hadn't considered before. I'm glad you've been able to get past that and watch.

And sorry about your scary real-life experience-- hope that turned out to be nothing major! Whew!
 

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Posted by Blacula on :
 
*Finally* just got caught up on episodes 2-5. Quick thoughts to follow -

* I definitely see the Lost comparisons Lash mentioned earlier. Both shows are character pieces using a heavy 'genre' backdrop (sci-fi for Lost, horror for The Walking Dead) featuring a number of age and ethnically diverse characters surviving in a hostile isolated environment against threats coming from both without and within.

Couple that with all the technical similarities like the excellent use of location shooting, make-up, special effects, set-design, music, cinematography, acting (for the most part) and so on (not to mention the love triangle and the rabid fanbases) and I can definitely see why some would say this is their new Lost. I'm almost ready to say the same thing and I LOOOOOOOOOOOOVVE Lost even more than I love The Walking Dead.

I can't believe you've never watched it Lash?! I think you would really like it. Netflix that baby ASAP!

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* I (like everyone else here I think) had always expected that this season would end with you-know-who shooting you-know-who. There is no way enough time for them to do all that in the one episode they have left so I definitely think that plot will be delayed until next season.

I am very happy with that since a) the victim in that scenario is one of my fave characters (in both the comic and show) so I'm glad to see them staying around for longer; and b) I never liked that plot point anyway so if they do away with it completely, "hear, hear" I say.

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* The ending of episode 5 was very good but would have been SOOOOOOOO much better if we had never had that long, drawn out, boring scene with the scientist(?) earlier in the episode.

How much more exciting would it have been if we had been just as surprised as Rick was when that camera moved? And had no idea whether that door was going to open or not? As it was, every single audience member knew full well that that scientist was going to open that door for them, otherwise - why spend all that boring time introducing him? So so much of the suspense was lost from that scene.

Frustratingly bad writing there IMO. Which was a real shame because the rest of the episode was SOOOOO excellent. A lot of very emotional scenes this episode which they handled very well across the board.

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* Loving Andrea just as much as I do in the comic!

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* I'm also surprised to say that I am loving all the new characters introduced too (well, not Merle) like T-Dog, Jacquie, Morales and his family and Daryl. In fact, and I already know I'm going to be the only person in this thread (or probably any The Walking Dead thread anywhere) but I think I prefer them to a lot of the regulars from the comic!

I think I really like having no idea what's going to happen to those characters. And that excitement/fear for them has made me more attached to them. Whereas most of the other ones I already kinda know exactly where they're going. And that familiarity has made me kinda bored of them in this version.

I think it would take real balls for the writing staff here to kill off someone like Glenn or Dale early and thus really tell the viewers "No one is safe!" unlike the way it is now which is "No one is safe (except for all the characters that you know are safe)!" I really hope they do that.

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* Speaking of Morales and his family - was anyone else thinking they were the new Donna and Allen and Ben and Billy? I'm glad they're not since if they had been - why not just call them Donna and Allen and etc? It also seems realistic to me that some people in a group would want to go their own way and reconnect with their family somewhere or something. I wonder if we'll ever meet up with them again, like we (probably) will with Morgan and Duane one day?

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* In some ways I think this comic book adaptation has really improved upon the source material. Sure, some scenes have been a bit unfortunately clunky (like the above-mentioned boring scientist scene, and I was not a fan of that stupid comic-booky stand-off/misunderstanding with the Latin 'gang' a couple of episodes ago) but so far, I have been VERY impressed with this show. Next October is WAY too long to wait for Season 2.
 

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Posted by Chief Lardy on :
 
I was in my CBS Thursday and was subjected to having to hear three fanboys absolutely tearing apart this series because it wasn't following the comic verbatim. I felt like screaming, "if it was exactly like the comic, what would be the point of watching?!?!"

You know what? It's a really good show with some exceptional character work! I LIKE not knowing what's gonna happen in every episode!!! I like getting to know some of the characters better and meeting some new ones like Daryl along the way!!! If it bothers them so much, turn it off and stick to the comics! YEESH!

Plenty of people here are hardcore TWD fans but seem to have little problem enjoying a quality TV show that takes some liberties with the source material. Are we all anomalies...or has someone eaten those guys' brains! I guess they're the kind of guys who felt that the organic web-shooters in Raimi's Spidey movies totally ruined everything else that was done so well in those (especially the first two) films. Man, I hate that kind of fanboy! Grr!

Anyway, I probably woulda went off on them, but if I had, I woulda been late for work.
 

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Posted by Blacula on :
 
Forgot to add - as all the Lost fans in here will know (and weep for what might have been with Walt's storyline), having child actors in a show which takes months/years to film, but is meant to only take place over a few days/weeks/months story-time, can start to get very problematic as those child actors age and grow faster than their character should be.

So what will the writers do with Carl and Sophia? I hope it doesn't become a problem but I also hope they quickly get rid of them if it does. I don't want a 6ft tall post-puberty Carl suddenly walking around still pretending he's an 11 year-old (or however old Carl is meant to be).
 

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Posted by Blacula on :
 
P.S. Are spoilers from the comic completely out the window in this thread now? I notice some people in here just throwing big events from the comics into their posts without any warning of "Spoilers" or use of the Spoiler tags or anything.

If everyone in this thread has read the comic then that's cool I guess but I think there might be some in here that haven't.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
I'm still trying to be vague re: comic-book happenings in my posts. If I haven't been it was by accident.
 

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Posted by Dev Em on :
 
Trying to be vague as well...although if things are out in the open after a few posts, I will comment on them.

I'm wondering how they will deal with the kids aging as well. They can always bounce around a bit in time...6 months/a year here or there may work to keep them on track. Not saying that it would be my favorite thing to see happen, but it could work. Especially if they take the characters to the spots they end up in with the comic.
 

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Posted by Chief Lardy on :
 
Early on in this thread, I encouraged everyone to mention the very spoilery elements from the comic (like who died) only in the Gym'll's thread. Since that seemed too rigid, we've mostly kept things either vague or in spoiler boxes. Overall, I think it's been handled pretty well.

There HAVE been name-drop references to presumed-forthcoming people and places like Wilshire Estates, Woodbury, the prison, the Governor, Tyreese, Michonne etc., but I feel they've been non-specific enough to not feel too much like we're spoiling anyone as to specific things that will (likely) happen. I think the most spoilerish you could get here is by saying who will die in a character-focused series like this one, and that has been meticulously avoided, IMO.

Honestly, though, it sometimes seem like everyone who posts to this thread either was already a TWD fan or was so impressed by the TV series that they've quickly gotten into the GNs! Either way, I think we're keeping a good bit of self-restraint here.
 

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Posted by Chief Lardy on :
 
I certainly wouldn't want the kids written out because of the Walt Factor. There's no reason why the series has to have the same timeline as the books. I think Carl at least will look pretty childish for another 2-3 years, I think.

Sophia looks a bit older than she should, but she's not a character that's exactly been given many defining moments in the books, unlike Carl. I'm more interested in seeing how they handle Carol's particular character beats.
 

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Posted by Blacula on :
 
Re: Spoilers - Chief Lardy, Dev Em and Iam Legion all completely spoil a-certain-character-who-we-all-thought-was-going-to-die-this-season-but-probably-won't-until-next-season's death in their posts at the bottom of page 13 of this thread.

I think spoiler boxes were called for regarding those comments.

(Edited to add I forgot Iam Legion from the list.)
 

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Posted by Chief Lardy on :
 

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Originally posted by Blacula:
Re: Spoilers - Chief Lardy, Dev Em and Iam Legion all completely spoil a-certain-character-who-we-all-thought-was-going-to-die-this-season-but-probably-won't-until-next-season's death in their posts at the bottom of page 13 of this thread.

I think spoiler boxes were called for regarding those comments.

(Edited to add I forgot Iam Legion from the list.)

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You're right...forgot about that. I guess I responded to Iam's out-in-the-open post in similar fashion and others followed suit. I can't believe I went in to such detail! I'll go back and spoiler that info in my post...
 

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Posted by Dev Em on :
 

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Originally posted by Dev Em:
Trying to be vague as well...although if things are out in the open after a few posts, I will comment on them.

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Yep, like I said ^ here...I only commented on specifics of said characters fate after several out in the open posts about it. Nobody is perfect when it comes to this stuff...
 

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Posted by Dev Em on :
 
Fixed mine as well.
 

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Posted by Blacula on :
 
True. And since that convo was so out there and spoilery for all to see that led to my confusion about what the spoiler policy is in this thread now.

I think if someone slips up in the future it would be better to just tell them to edit their comments rather than adding to the fire, so to speak.
 

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Posted by Dev Em on :
 
Unless the fire is to burn Zeds.
 

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Posted by Blacula on :
 

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Originally posted by Dev Em:
Fixed mine as well.

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Cool. I'll send Iam Legion a PM and ask him to do the same.

(If there's even a point to this? Is there anyone in this thread who hasn't read the comics? Sound off if you haven't.)
 

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Posted by Chief Lardy on :
 

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Originally posted by Blacula:

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Originally posted by Dev Em:
Fixed mine as well.

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Cool. I'll send Iam Legion a PM and ask him to do the same.

(If there's even a point to this? Is there anyone in this thread who hasn't read the comics? Sound off if you haven't.)

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Edie?
 

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Posted by Blacula on :
 
^ And more may enter the thread later who haven't read it I guess? It's probably still best to play safe.
 

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Posted by Chief Lardy on :
 
I know Edie looks at the thread regularly but rarely posts. I've never read where he's read the books. In fact I don't think he's picking up any comic regularly. So he's the only likely candidate. Everyone else seems either to already be a fan or to have instantly gone on a TPB binge after sampling the show.
 

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Posted by doublechinner on :
 
The scientist scenes were a jarring shift from the rest of the show, but I kind of appreciated that. It felt for a few moments like a completely different show, and that's kinda cool when pulled off well. It conveyed really quickly that this guy has been living his own private hell, is in his own universe, so the arrival of Rick and co. is that much more jarring.

It's also clear that the "TS-19" brain tissue lost in the lab accident is key to the finale, it being titled "TS-19" and all. I'm going to guess weird scientist dude is gonna try and infect some/all of the survivors so that he can get his fresh zombie brain samples back.
 

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Posted by THE LABRADORIAN on :
 
Sorry i havent been commenting on the show, but now i am back and I am loving every second of this show and like most wish they would expedite the second season of this show. I eagarly await tomorrows season finale to see where this season will end off.
 

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Posted by THE LABRADORIAN on :
 
hey can anyone make zombie avatar versions of legionaires?
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 

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Originally posted by doublechinner:
The scientist scenes were a jarring shift from the rest of the show, but I kind of appreciated that. It felt for a few moments like a completely different show, and that's kinda cool when pulled off well. It conveyed really quickly that this guy has been living his own private hell, is in his own universe, so the arrival of Rick and co. is that much more jarring.

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Notice how incredibly Lost-esque that whole sequence was.
 

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Posted by Blacula on :
 
^ Totally. Lost did it a lot better though IMO. And I seriously doubt that I will ever grow to love this scientist guy they way I loved Desmond (though I could be wrong).
 

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Posted by Poverty LASH on :
 
AMC's showing the first five eps leading up to tonight's season finale. =TWD BLISS.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
FINALE SPOILERS OUT THE YING-YANG, written during commercial breaks!


Wow... I like how this episode so far has been NOTHING like what I was expecting. Nice job at red-herring-ing those scenes for next week last week!

I was all ready to get all in-your-facey about my boy Shane and his good intentions, until his drunken grope-a-thon with Lori. But at least he backed down. I still like him.

Well then. Vi just clinched it. Our gang shan't be staying at the CDC for long, huh? That's good, actually. Hooray, countdown clock!

Hmm. Methinks mayhap it be time for Rick to pull out that grenade he's been carrying.

And there it is.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Andrea!!!!!

Whew... that was a relief. Dale's little sit-in ploy with Andrea was SO TWD: the comic.

*choke!!* Jacqui's fate... I can't lie, I had to fight back tears when she and Dr. Jenner grasped hands and looked at each other.

Oh my Lordy... the wait until next October? that is going to go SO far beyond sucking that it will become a black hole.
 

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Posted by THE LABRADORIAN on :
 
I enjoyed the season finale, its going to be a lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng wait til next Halloween.
 

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Posted by Chief Lardy on :
 
So whaddaya thing doc whispered to Rick? Best guess: Click Here For A Spoilerthat ALL who become deceased, regardless of cause, will return as walkers. This is a truth from the comic, though Rick and the gang had to find this out the hard way. If Rick knows this now, it would render a certain scene from the book (in which Rick returns to take care of some unfinished business) pointless.

Overall, I enjoyed the episode a lot, even though it was off-book. Good character moments, especially with signs that Shane's becoming unhinged. The Dale/Andrea scene was a bit cliched but an effective building block in their relationship that brings things closer to where they go in the book.

AWESOME (if too short) Season 1, AMC & Company! Let's do it again next year!
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
My first thought regarding the whisper was that Lori was pregnant (revealed via the blood tests earlier).

Poor Jacqui... we barely knew you. Literally. Suddenly the black chick that I had very little emotional investment in and whose backstory is still pretty much unknown decides to stay and die? Okay... And then Dale makes a big deal about convincing Andrea to go with them, but apparently everybody's okay with Jacqui dying?

Other than that the episode pretty much rocked.
 

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Posted by Chief Lardy on :
 
^Good alternative theory, Edie! Are you familiar with the comic book, Edie? Your theory about the whisper makes me wonder, plus you've never mentioned if you have or not.

I think the difference between Jacqui and Andrea was that Dale was very emotionally attached to her. Though there seemed to be some connection between Jacqui and T (not sure whether they knew each other or were related, or were we too accept their mutual blackness as their bond? ), we had some good signs of bonding between Andrea and Dale in this and the previous episode. Honestly, other than Dale, it looked like ALL the others were more concerned with surviving than saving the others.

Given what they learned and what they face out in the wilderness, it seemed pretty plausible that some would choose that option.

Good to see the grenade return in a timely fashion! I'd totally forgotten about it from the first coupla episodes. Well played and well set up!
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 

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Originally posted by Chief Lardy:
Are you familiar with the comic book, Edie?

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Nope. Not at all.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
POSSIBLE COMIC BOOK SPOILER BASED ON EDE'S POST

Now that EDE's said it, I feel stupid for not thinking that's what the whisper to Rick was.
 

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Posted by Chief Lardy on :
 
If that's what he whispered, it would be interesting if he included how far along she was. If she was, like, a month preggers, Rick would know it wasn't his.

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Originally posted by Chief Lardy:
Are you familiar with the comic book, Edie?

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Nope. Not at all.

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Ouch! I'm sorry about any spoilers you might've encountered here and there on this thread.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
I agree the grenade's usage was awesomely done considering it very subtly had been a part of the first 6 episodes and we actually saw it make it's way to Carol. That was really well done.

Loved the finale. I love that's it is not mirroring the comic but following the same basic timeline and canon for the most part.

The actor playing Shane is really doing a great job making me re-think his character. His really tough scene with Lori furthered this and added some more complications (including his growing animosity with Rick).

I wonder if Season #2 will ultimately end where the first TPB of the TWD ends? AMC series only have 12 episodies per season max, so that isn't too out of the question. Either way, hoping to see Tyrese show up.

Glad Eryk is enjoying the TWD for the first time via the show!
 

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Posted by doublechinner on :
 
This was a really masterfully done finale! Almost nothing about the CDC went as expected, from my point of view, which made it suspenseful and enjoyable. (I haven't read the comics, BTW.)

In case you thought the "Jenner" name sounded familiar -- EdWARD Jenner studied smallpox and discovered that immunizing humans with cowpox virus protected them from the smallpox virus (of course, at the time, he had no idea what a virus actually was). So, EdWARD Jenner presided over the beginning of modern medicine, and all its successes. EdWIN Jenner presides over it's end.

A mediocre CDC worker, holding a vigil for his dead wife, the true genius who might have saved humanity, going through the motions of the heroic scientist, doomed to run out of time, because modern medicine, like all modern life, depends on electricity, which no one generates anymore. And at the end, the knowledge and the risk associated with 200 years of medical advancement is incinerated. The world we know is well and truly over, and probably not recoverable. And you have to make a choice, do you try and survive, start completely over, or do you decide you've had enough?

And all of that plays out powerfully. I'm left exhausted by the extremity and desperation of these few survivors. Driving away from the mushroom cloud of the last bastion of modernity.
 

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Posted by Dev Em on :
 
Not a bad finale. A few random thoughts:

>Doc told Rick either what EDE said or that he saw something on a monitor about what happened with Shane.

>Jacqui. So the lady was only there to tell them that there were sewer access in old Atlanta buildings? Nobody thought enough to try to change her mind? Not even T-Dog, whom she apparently shared some bond with?

>Nice to see the grenade in the nick of time. Convenient, but I can accept that.

>Explosion of that size should have tipped the RV over a few times...

>I really liked the opening moments of what was happening at the hospital...showed why Shane thought he was gone. Of course they balanced that out with his actions later.

>Dale and Andrea have developed a great bond.
 

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Posted by Dev Em on :
 
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=29742

6 million for the finale!!!!!!

...and we gotta wait like 10 months for season 2...argh!
 

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Posted by Blacula on :
 
I'm surprised by all the positive comments about this finale. I thought it was awful. Really, really awful. Easily the worst episode of the show to date. And one of the worst-written hours of TV I've watched in a long time.

I'll try to think of some nice things to say about it first -

* I liked the beginning with the back-story to Shane leaving Rick in the hospital. Was exciting and also some good character-building for Shane. He's a great 'conflicted' character and this show is doing a much better job with him than the comic did (and I liked him in the comic).

* Great song at the end.

... um that's about all that was good about this episode.

Now for all the crap -

... (I started to write long reasons about what I hated about this episode but it bored me to think about it again so here's some quick bullet points.)

* Jenner - everything to do with him was badly written and badly acted.
* That whole 'trapped in the CDC' sub-plot - completely contrived (it was as if the writers were like 'Quick - we've got to throw some ridiculous obstacle into the way of our heroes to pad out this episode') and completely unexciting or compelling - did anyone have any doubt that they were going to get out?
* Jacquie just turns around and decides to commit suicide out of nowhere? Oookaaay
* Pacing - our heroes go into that CDC room at the 20 minute mark of the episode and then spend the entire rest of the 45 minute episode in there talking until they escape at the end! Talk about boring. I was literally having to stop myself from fast-forwarding through some of Jenner's stupid 'I'm going to conveniently go temporarily crazy to delay you for a bit' speeches.
* The whole ridiculous convenience of them noticing the countdown clock when there's only an hour left to go on it. Good thing they didn't notice it the night before or else the writers would have been really screwed.

This whole episode just seemed like amateur-hour hokum to me. And I hate to bring up the Lost comparison (but I will anyway) - but that show KNEW how to deliver a KILLER season finale! Every one of them was amazing. I really hope next season's writers get this show back on track because I hated this episode so much it was almost a jump-the-shark moment for me.

Such a shame too because I'd been enjoying this version of The Walking Dead so much until now.
 

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Posted by dedman on :
 
I think EDE has it right with the whipered scene.
My wife feels its the other possibility.
I liked the episode overall. desipte the lack of you know who doing youknow what to you know who, I still feel this may happen early next season.
Next season, I think they will hit some major point form the comic (along with some side-trips) like Wiltshire, hershel's farm and the the prison.
Next season should end with some sort of cliffhanger, odds are some prison/wordbury stand off
 

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Posted by Dave Hackett on :
 
I didn't hate it as much as Blacula, but it did try my patience. My wife was pleased when Jacquie and Andrea decided to stay ("Good", she said, "The two worst actresses will be out at least"). I knew they wouldn't off Andrea though, no matter how far off the source material they were.

I thought Jenner was an interesting character but ultimately wasted and his breakdown was telegraphed and entirely plot driven.

This show really needs to decide what it wants to be, because the potential is so great, but I feel this season squandered a lot of that.

If it's to be a character piece, give us meatier characters (a longer series may allow for more focus). If there's going to be larger themes give us some structure to start making a better layered narrative. If it's going to be a straight horror show, then amp it up a bit. Right now it's just a hodgepodge that's servicing the plot instead of the plot servicing a larger goal. I don't hate it, but I really want more.
 

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Posted by doublechinner on :
 
I'd have to re-watch to know for sure, but I do agree with Blacula that the sequencing/pacing of the "CDC will run out of power/self-destruct" thing seemed off. Didn't all the adults here what the countdown meant, then were surprised when the AC turned off? And I also thought that the explosion should have sent the vehicles flying. That was a big boom, and if it was ultra-high temperature, the heat-induced shockwave would have been substantial.

For me, I still enjoyed this as a episode because it captured the end of the modern world for me so well, with a Jenner there to see it out. And it makes the characters choose--do you want to try and build a whole new world in the face of deadly obstacles, or don't you? I didn't necessarily see the plot as contrived -- the CDC, and some other labs, store some really bad stuff, so some sort of fail-safe containment strategy makes sense.

I do agree that if they want it to be more character-driven (like the best of "Lost" was), they need to somehow allow more character time. But I don't think this episode was devoid of character-building. All the stuff with Shane WAS great. It's clear he REALLY loves Rick, and needs him, but clearly DESIRES Lorrie uncontrollably. He's not all good or all bad. And say what you want about Andrea, but I thought her experiences through all of the past 3 episodes have been powerful foundations for her character. I like it when movies and shows take time to grieve with a character, and they did that with Andrea.
 

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Posted by Chief Lardy on :
 
I'd agree with the criticisms of the episode in that so much of it felt clichéd. But I do feel it rose above that with its character work. As dc says, the stuff with Shane was pretty amazing. The during and after scenes with Lori were pretty terrific. Here she is very nearly raped and she can't even tell her husband about it. Then, there's the scene at breakfast the next morning when Shane explains away his scratches, and no one bats an eye. Very effective.

It would've been nice if someone had tried harder to convince Jacqui to change her mind, but everyone was in near-panic mode and obeying their survival instinct, except Dale who is clearly very fond of Andrea. I've no doubt that Dale would've followed through, stayed and died with her had Andrea not backed down. Whatever connection Jacqui and T had, it was clearly not as strong.

I liked that there were people who chose to end it on their own terms. Jacqui mentioned "the wrath of God". She was probably a woman of faith. Some would feel forsaken that God would leave them to this hellish existence. Perhaps this had shaken her faith; others might see it as more of a test. But being of faith or not, facing the end of life as we knew it, would be a hard reality to accept for anyone. Jenner lost his wife and Jackie her faith. Andrea lost her sister but was pulled out of it by her concern for another.

Yes, the circumstances were a lot contrived, but it made a certain amount of sense the way the scenario was portrayed. The CDC does carry samples of the deadliest microbes, so predicting contingencies for them would make sense.

But, yeah, that fireball was portrayed as being TOO big for it not to have taken out the nearby vehicles.Sometimes producers fall in love so much with showing big explosions that they throw common sense out of the equation. If you've ever seen a Die Hard movie or any of countless other action movies, you'll acknowledge that this sort of thing is hardly unprecedented. Chalk it up to some harmless artistic license. If you can accept the dead coming back to life with no desire but to eat the living, then this isn't that big f a deal.

Overall, I'd say this episode is probably the weakest of the lot but is still a good installment. I'd always wondered why the survivors in the book didn't go at least check out the CDC while they were on the outskirts of Atlanta. It was a logical place to look and one in pretty close proximity. Obviously, it would be one of the places to find some hope if any infrastructure still existed on the planet.

Visiting the CDC DID serve an important purpose, in that it underlined for the survivors that they probably have no one to depend upon in this apocalyptic saetting other than each other. They know now that not only was the CDC a dead end but also that it lost contact with anyone else over a month ago.

I wouldn't be surprised if the series' next move is to check out Shane's suggestion of the military Fort he mentioned. If they do, I hope the series is careful to refrain from verring too closely into the territory that 28 Days Later covered in a similar setting. Or maybe a conflict between Shane and Rick over whether or not to go will escalate into a huge fight over which of them should lead their group. That was explored very briefly in the comic and would provide great dramatic fodder for the series, especially given what we know about Shane and Lori that Rick doesn't know.

I'm very interested to see what the producers will do next season and am very encouraged by the choices they've made to this point!
 

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Originally posted by Chief Lardy:
I know Edie looks at the thread regularly but rarely posts. I've never read where he's read the books. In fact I don't think he's picking up any comic regularly. So he's the only likely candidate. Everyone else seems either to already be a fan or to have instantly gone on a TPB binge after sampling the show.

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I'm not posting a hell of a lot just now but am reading the boards as much as i can. So just to pip up and say I am loving (as is Jennifer) the TV series, even if we are a week or so behind. But I have never read any of the comics or GN's. So a lot of what I know comes only from the TV show.
 

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Posted by Dev Em on :
 
Looking like July for season 2.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
Really? Oh I DO think that is a better idea that waiting until October!!

As long as they don't run it against TRUE BLOOD on HBO. Summertime NEEDS TWD!!
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
Just had fun rereading this thread.

think I'll watch TWD on the good ol' DVR.

Which hopefully I can erase when the DVD set comes out! (I think it is due in March)
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
BestBuy.com has a release date of 3/8/2011 listed... 10 days!
 

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Posted by Lightning Lad on :
 
Can't wait for season two! But I'll have Game of Thrones on HBO to fill the time. My second most anticipated new show of the year (after TWD).
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
Herschel's farm is confirmed for season 2!

http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/03/02/walking-dead-season-two-details/
 

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Posted by Dev Em on :
 
w00t!!!!
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
http://www.ajc.com/news/cobb/zombies-headed-north-from-970824.html?cxtype=rss_news

From a local Atlanta news site...
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
P.S., Are there any extras on the Season one DVD? I still need to get it...
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
I have it but haven;t opened it yet! (I know, right)

There are indeed extras.
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
"FB LIKE"
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
CCI had a preview trailer for the next season... AWESOME.
 

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Posted by Dev Em on :
 
The FARM!!!!!

Man, this season is going to be intense. Who knows where a lot of that stuff falls in the season.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
That is one of the most exciting trailers I have ever seen!!!! CANNOT WAIT
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 

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Originally posted by Pov:
CCI had a preview trailer for the next season... AWESOME.

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WATCH THE TRAILER, peeps--!!! I'm about to... again... for the 100th time...
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
The music that starts at the 2:54 mark and plays through the end-- the music that sounds like someone put old west, Gregorian chant and FIREFLY in a blender--- I want that music. Who does that? I must download. It's scary and sexy and awesome.

THIS I VOW

I spent wAAAAAAAAy too much time comparing Season 1 to the comic.

I hereby vow to TOTALLY LET GO of the comic for season 2.

I am convinced I would have enjoyed Season 1 even more than I did if I had done this then. So now, I vow: it happens.

I kinda hope all of us will, but I understand those who don't... but for myself, to increase my enjoyment of this, what I consider a MILESTONE in TV... I am letting the comic go when I watch it.

Remind me of this come October, please
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
Season 1 marathon running right now right up to the 9:00e/8:00c s2 premier... :happyhappyjoyjoy:

"Vatos" is on and I'm waiting for the final 10 minutes...!
 

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Posted by LASHbrain on :
 
Season 2 is off to a GREAT START.

This season, I shan't be comparing the comic to the TV show AT ALL.

As far as I am concerned, they are TWO SEPARATE though related entities.

[ October 16, 2011, 09:53 PM: Message edited by: LASHbrain ]
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 

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Originally posted by LASHbrain:

As far as I am concerned, they are TWO SEPARATE though related entities.

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Well, don't tell me you didn't see that ending coming, though!
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
I honestly thought they were gonna tease us with the three that went out and what happened between them in the book, but when Carl walked towards the Deer...I saw it comin.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
I thought it was a very good episode but a little slow after the whole herd sequence starting when the group searched for Sophia. I guess they felt they had a lot of character rebuilding and personal arcs to continue and set up. In hindsight, though, last year's opener had a similar vibe to it.
 

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Posted by LASHbrain on :
 
i *WAS* taken by surprise and didn't see it coming, hard as that is to believe.

LOVED the whole "herd" on the highway scene, seeing much of it previously in the great Season 2 clip AMC put out months ago didn't take away from the suspense at all!
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
Daryl continues to impress. Waiting for him to show up in the book at some point...although I hope he never does.
 

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Posted by LASHbrain on :
 
I have grown to LOVE Daryl...! And I am just DREADING the inevitable return of Merle and him trying to turn Daryl against the group. I hope Merle never comes back!
 

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Posted by Glen Cadigan on :
 
Anyone see The Talking Dead live show after the repeat? Kirkman was interviewed live via satellite from the New York Con.

Eight years ago, he was just a guy doing a comic book...
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
I didn't make it to Kirkman... couldn't stand the host...
 

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Posted by LASHbrain on :
 
Can't find any info on last night's ratings today. Odd because last season, that rating info was thrown up rather quickly.
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
The page for the Neilsens doesn't have any numbers, even preliminary.
 

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Posted by LASHbrain on :
 
This doesn't sound good.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
Worry not! The Season 2 premiere drew TWD's HIGHEST RATINGS EVER to the tune of 7.3 MILLION viewers!!!
 

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Posted by LASHbrain on :
 
Just saw! NOTHING can stop THE WALKING DEAD!
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
That's highest ratings ever for ANY basic cable show. If TWD maintains these types of numbers, we're gonna be watching for a looong time...
 

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Posted by Glen Cadigan on :
 
IF season three takes place in the prison, you'd figure that they'd make more than 13 episodes, given these ratings.

I mean, once you've built a prison set, you're going to want to get the use of it. At that point, it becomes the same as any other fixed set show. Your costs are amortized!
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
I didn't think they'd get to Hershel's farm so quickly! I kinda doubt they can milk that setting for all the remaining S2 eps. In fact I kinda hope they don't. Interesting, though, that some of the scenes I've seen for the next episode show Shane in an urban-looking setting.
 

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Posted by LASHbrain on :
 
I think Shane will be on his own at some point soon. Remember the scene in the S2 trailer where he is running from zombies (and takes a scary tumble)... I kinda hate to see him split off from the group.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
Well, it certainly fits with what he and Andrea talked about. From what I saw on the "Talking Dead" after-show, that scene (or something similar) takes place next episode.
 

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Posted by NoLongerLegion on :
 

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Originally posted by Glen Cadigan:
IF season three takes place in the prison, you'd figure that they'd make more than 13 episodes, given these ratings.

I mean, once you've built a prison set, you're going to want to get the use of it. At that point, it becomes the same as any other fixed set show. Your costs are amortized!

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I doubt they'll have to 'build' a prison set. 'Redress' one of the many existing ones at worst, or use a real (abandoned) prison for the scenes.
Still, would like to see it play out a bit longer than 6-13 episodes.
 

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Posted by NoLongerLegion on :
 

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Originally posted by Lard Lad:
[QB]I didn't think they'd get to Hershel's farm so quickly!QB]

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Really? It is a completely different reality than the comics now and can borrow storyline from practically anywhere in the series. I am not surprised that they are using a fairly dramatic story early in the season. Not really surprised about the differrence in Shane's role/destiny eaither. Dissapointed, but not surprised.
 

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Posted by NoLongerLegion on :
 

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Originally posted by LASHbrain:
I think Shane will be on his own at some point soon. Remember the scene in the S2 trailer where he is running from zombies (and takes a scary tumble)... I kinda hate to see him split off from the group.

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I have to admit that I was sort of surprised to find that 'Shane' had developed a bit of a fan base. I had to stop and think about it and realized that I am highly biased in this situation... I don't care for the character (tv or Comic) and I dispise the actor. I guess that lacking either of those opinions, it would be fairly easy to like 'Shane' (depite him being an opportunistic creep and a would-be rapist) as portrayed in the television series?
 

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Posted by LASHbrain on :
 
ASIDE: As I refuse to compare the TV show and comic any longer, I shan't speak of comic Shane here.


Shane does have his good qualities and bad, like anyone. He was also the saviour and protector of Lori and Carl before Rick-- who he had no idea was alive once the hospital machines failed-- returned.

There's a lot more there than that, to my eyes. Your vision may vary.

Maybe Shane and Andrea will hook up. Maybe they both can help each other heal.
 

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Posted by Blue Battler on :
 
I haven't read the comic.

And so far, I have liked Shane.

He's flawed, but he does have good points ... and it turns out that he was RIGHT.

Going to the CDC did nothing for the group (other than let them know there was no one coming to help them) and cost them at least one member of their group.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
Interestingly, this episode seems to show that, contrary to the comic, natural (non-zombie bite) deaths do NOT begat zombies. All those bodies on the freeway would seem to be confirmation.
 

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Posted by NoLongerLegion on :
 

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Originally posted by Lard Lad:
Interestingly, this episode seems to show that, contrary to the comic, natural (non-zombie bite) deaths do NOT begat zombies. All those bodies on the freeway would seem to be confirmation.

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Certainly looks that way. Unless they decide that zombies can 'starve' to death?
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
Wow, NO one posted tonight about the new episode? Well, I thought it was GREAT!
 

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Posted by LASHbrain on :
 
Absolutely! Better than the premiere!

Herchel kicked ASS.
 

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Posted by Dave Hackett on :
 
I, for one, am glad they are pulling back towards the books narrative. Although I'm biting my tongue trying not to tell my wife about the "barn". Also with T-Dawg, Darryl and Shane, there's a whole different group dynamic, so I'm not sure how they'll all react to Herchel's views on the undead. We're also losing the window to believably introduce Tyreese and have him bond with Carol.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Really fantastic thus far in Season 2. The most compelling relationship dynamic in the show so far is certainly Rick / Shane and I can see why the writers don't want to lose that. Shane just being there for Rick while Carl was being operated on was utterly fantastic. The two actors really delivered in a big way and show they are getting more and more talented (the actor who plays Shane is just surprising the hell out of me considering I didn't think much of him before the show).

I like the actor playing Otis so I don't mind at all that he looks nothing like his comic book counterpart.

Loved Herschel and loved that Maggie got to be awesome in her introduction.

I'm ready for Glenn to have some more time and that should happen now since we're at Herschel's farm.

My wife can't stand Andrea so far. I keep telling her: "She get's better! She's my favorite in the comics!"
 

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Posted by NoLongerLegion on :
 

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Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
I like the actor playing Otis so I don't mind at all that he looks nothing like his comic book counterpart.

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I don't think any of them look much like their comic counterparts... and that it would be expecting a bit too much for them to find people that look like the characters and that can do a good job of acting aswell. However, I fully expect a certain actor to be willing to have his hand amputated if they persue a certain storyline for a certain character later on or I will be terribly disappointed. Also for another actor to sacrifice an ear and an eye for the role if the show gets that far....
 

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Posted by LASHbrain on :
 
Cobie, I have found myself also disliking Andrea since Amy's death... (her scenes with Amy dying and afterward were excellent). I am hoping this changes.

SPOILERY PREDICTION DEPT:

Otis is going to end up zombie chow and the scenes from the preview with Shane running alone from a pack of zombies hot on his tail will soon follow that.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 

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Originally posted by NoLongerLegion:

quote:

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Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
I like the actor playing Otis so I don't mind at all that he looks nothing like his comic book counterpart.

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I don't think any of them look much like their comic counterparts... and that it would be expecting a bit too much for them to find people that look like the characters and that can do a good job of acting aswell. However, I fully expect a certain actor to be willing to have his hand amputated if they persue a certain storyline for a certain character later on or I will be terribly disappointed. Also for another actor to sacrifice an ear and an eye for the role if the show gets that far....

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Well, I never expect an actor to get a role just because they look like a character (see: Conan the Barbarian as played by the Governator ).

I only mentioned the above because the actor has such a distinct look to him (he also played a great role on Deadwood).

But yes, I demand the actor playing Rick have his hand amputated. Brando would do it.
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
CGI that stump!
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
I read somewhere where Kirkman said he wished he's never cut off Rick's hand and probably won't do so on the TV show. So this particular conversation may be irrelevant!

On the other hand...maybe they'll cut his Click Here For A SpoilerPECKER! off instead!
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
I think Shane leads the Zombies on a merry chase, leaving Otis to fight off a few and get back to the farm. Shane is a hugely flawed character, and because of that fact...he is freakin awesome in this series.

Andrea is so different from the comic at this point...it's going to be interesting to see where they take the character.

Darryl continues to be the man for these guys. Coming through when nobody else can. Great addition to the mythos of The Walking Dead.

...and Glenn is a lucky man...just sayin.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
I think they're taking a fairly valid approach to Andrea's character in the wake of Amy's death, so I'm giving the show the benefit of the doubt there. I do, however, hope they get her closer to the Andrea we all know and love so well sooner than later.
 

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Posted by Blacula on :
 
Just watched the first 2 episodes and am back to loving TWD TV show after the dreckitude of that CDC subplot last season.

Character-wise, I'm still really enjoying Shane and am glad the writers have made the choice they did with him. Andrea is kinda bugging me which is a surprise because she's one of my favorites in the book.

Funnily enough though, the characters that I'm most drawn to are the ones who aren't in the book - Darryl, T-Dog (and Jacquie <sniff>). I think it's because I have no idea what's going to happen to them, so I'm on the edge of my seat in their scenes and am therefore more invested in them as characters. The others I more or less know exactly what's going to happen to them (though I wouldn't put it past the writers to surprise us like they have with Shane and maybe Sophia) so I'm enjoying them more as interpretations of characters I know, rather than as characters I can worry about and care for.

It's interesting to me that we haven't met Tyrese and co in the show yet. We had already met them before they got to the farm in the book hadn't we? I wonder if T-Dog will become him?

I'm not sure I want that to happen, but I would like it if the show was to continue like it is doing, following the same basic narrative of the book but taking new paths where it needs to to keep the story fresh.
 

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Posted by Dave Hackett on :
 
My thought is they will possibly intro Tyreese as being the one who finds Sophia and brings her back, which would then lead to the bond with Carol (because there's not that much time to have them get together if he doesn't show up soon).
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
I honestly thought we'd see Sophia at Hershel's farm, having been found by the family. Now, I just dunno. The Tyreese idea is a good one. I guess it's also possible she'll pop up at Woodbury, maybe along with Merle? But, really, I dunno where they're going with this.

Definitely loving Daryl! I hope they give him more scenes very soon, though.

I think I've read that they are definitely going to bring in Tyreese and Michonne at some point. I wonder if Tyreese will have his daughter and her boyfriend in tow?
 

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Posted by LASHbrain on :
 

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Originally posted by Dave Hackett:
My thought is they will possibly intro Tyreese as being the one who finds Sophia and brings her back, which would then lead to the bond with Carol (because there's not that much time to have them get together if he doesn't show up soon).

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I like this scenario.

Lardy, I have read Michonne is a definite at some point (Kirkman wasn't sure if she would fit in this season in time, but def. next) but don't think I have heard about Tyreese.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
I kinda hope they don't kill of T-Dog. Because if Tyreese then comes along, it'll seem like they're bringing in a token to replace him. I don't like T-Dog's chances, though, even if he survives this infection. He's still a "guest" or "also starring" in the credits. Pretty sure they didn't kill anyone who was in the main credit sequence last year. I think the character has potential. He probably had his best scenes this week.

Lash, I don't think Tyreese was ever promised, but during the first season, Kirkman said he could certainly pop up later. If he does, I hope he sticks around past his time, like Shane.
 

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Posted by NoLongerLegion on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Blacula:
It's interesting to me that we haven't met Tyrese and co in the show yet. We had already met them before they got to the farm in the book hadn't we? I wonder if T-Dog will become him?

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I forget... have we heard T-Dog's real name yet? Because, if my mother had named me Tyreese, I would probably be going by a nickname instead.
 

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Posted by NoLongerLegion on :
 

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Originally posted by Pov:
CGI that stump!

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That's the wussy way out!! Chop it off with a blunt hatchet or forget it!
Oh, and did anyone notice that Carl's wound is much more severe than the (first) one he recieved in the comic?
 

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Posted by Blacula on :
 
Re: Sophia.

I was completely expecting this second episode to end with Carol and Dale and co. to turn around and see a zombified Sophia just shuffling up to them and then bam! credits!

She's been gone long enough to have been bitten and infected and turned and it might have been a way for the writers to show the viewers who've read the comics "You think you know which characters are safe? Guess again!" It's not like her loss would have affected any of the future plots anyway. And it might give Carol a more believable reason to do what she later does (since I don't think the comic reason will work in the show).

Who knows? It might still happen. Though I think Dave's guess re: Tyreese is a good one.
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
As a sidebar, the History Channel is airing a special tonight called "Zombies: A Living History", from 8-10e. I'll probably check it out in between washloads...
 

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Posted by LASHbrain on :
 
Season 3 is a go officially!
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 

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Originally posted by NoLongerLegion:
]I forget... have we heard T-Dog's real name yet? Because, if my mother had named me Tyreese, I would probably be going by a nickname instead.

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T-Dog is NOT Tyreese. I read an article recently that mentioned his actual name--I think it was Theodore?--but definitely not Tyreese.

quote:

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Originally posted by LASHbrain:
Season 3 is a go officially!

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Saw that! YAAAAAAAAYYY!!!!
 

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Posted by NoLongerLegion on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Lard Lad:

quote:

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Originally posted by NoLongerLegion:
]I forget... have we heard T-Dog's real name yet? Because, if my mother had named me Tyreese, I would probably be going by a nickname instead.

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T-Dog is NOT Tyreese. I read an article recently that mentioned his actual name--I think it was Theodore?--but definitely not Tyreese.

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But has it been said on the show? Because if not, then it is still a possibility. Heck, even if it HAS been, it wouldn't be the first time a small detail like that was overlooked because a writerr changed their mind as to the direction they want to go. Not saying this is the case... just that you never know.
Personnally, I am kind of surprised that they didn't strongly hint from the beginning that T-Dog was Tyreese, then kill him off in some shocking fassion just before introducing the actual Tyreese.
And like Blacula above, I was really expecting a Sophia zombie to show up at the end to prove that the TV series can do what ever it wants and not just parrot the comic. Of course, a Carl Zombie at the end of the next episode would do this even better!

[ October 27, 2011, 09:25 AM: Message edited by: NoLongerLegion ]
 

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Posted by LASHbrain on :
 
Carl's age is going to be an issue, sooner rather than later I bet. This episodes are taking place over a period of days yet there was almost 1 year between the airing of Season 1 and 2. That's gonna catch up to them really quickly.
 

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Posted by Dave Hackett on :
 

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Originally posted by LASHbrain:
Carl's age is going to be an issue, sooner rather than later I bet. This episodes are taking place over a period of days yet there was almost 1 year between the airing of Season 1 and 2. That's gonna catch up to them really quickly.

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The dreaded "Taller Walt" effect!
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
T-Dog's officially been shown to be "Theodore" on the show but that doesn't really prove or disprove anything...
 

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Posted by NoLongerLegion on :
 

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Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
T-Dog's officially been shown to be "Theodore" on the show but that doesn't really prove or disprove anything...

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LOL! But it makes it less likely. Having his middle name turn out to be Tyreese would push credibility just a bit. And, while I pointed out that it isn't unheard of... ignoring the established 'Theodore' and retconning it would likely anoy those that caught the 'Theodore' moniker in the first place. So, he probably is not going to turn out to be 'Tyreese'.
 

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Posted by NoLongerLegion on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by LASHbrain:
Carl's age is going to be an issue, sooner rather than later I bet. This episodes are taking place over a period of days yet there was almost 1 year between the airing of Season 1 and 2. That's gonna catch up to them really quickly.

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Killing the character off now would take care of that!
 

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Posted by LASHbrain on :
 
That's what I am wondering... I won't be surprised if li'l Carl bites it sometime next season or when/if he hits a major growth spurt...
 

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Posted by NoLongerLegion on :
 

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Originally posted by LASHbrain:
... I won't be surprised if li'l Carl bites it...

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A little 'Walker' humor?
 

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Posted by LASHbrain on :
 
Pun intended
 

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Posted by Kid Quislet on :
 
What has intrigued me about the first two episodes is how major events have focused around the two most innocent of the party, the missing Sophie and the wounded Carl, both children. The despair Rick is suffering over both, plus the possibility one or both of the kids could go 'Walker' is demoralizing for the entire group. Great tension!!

I would guess (hope) that Sophie won't be resolved for a few more episodes, just to keep us all wondering if she will indeed pop up at any given time, and in what condition?
 

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Posted by SharkLad on :
 
Just started watching... caught the first season marathon during the weekend the second season premiered... great stuff... sure this has been said on this thread before, but I'm not usually a fan of zombie flicks (except for "Shaun of the Dead")... still, this show kicks ass, and I'm going to check out the books, which I've never read...
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 

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Originally posted by LASHbrain:
Pun intended

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Give him Rick's hat and he's a reg'lar walker/Texas Ranger.... BADUMBUMPkssshhh!
 

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Posted by LASHbrain on :
 
Welcome, SHARKLAD!

The books are VERY VERY addictive... my advice is to buy at least 2 TPBs at a time because you **will** want to know what happens next-- !!
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 

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Originally posted by Pov:

quote:

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Originally posted by LASHbrain:
Pun intended

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Give him Rick's hat and he's a reg'lar walker/Texas Ranger.... BADUMBUMPkssshhh!

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Posted by LASHbrain on :
 
Dang... kinda hard, kinda impossible to defend or rationalize Shane's actions this episode.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
Daaaang!

Wild episode...although slow as anything in some places, one of the best episodes yet.

Actually Lash, is it that hard to figure out why Shane did what he did? Not saying I agree, but he probably saw it as the only way to save Carl and himself.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
Damn good one, guys! Hell of an ending!
 

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Posted by LASHbrain on :
 
Dev, it seems they could have both just kept ahead of the zombies like they were doing until they got to the truck. Shame on Shane.
 

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Posted by LASHbrain on :
 
Also, the moment Shane arrived without Otis, I *knew exactly* what he had done. Bad, bad Shane.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
Betcha STILL liked that semi-nude scene, though, right, Lash?
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
Shane with a gimpy leg was still outpacing the huffing and puffing Otis. Plus, they have to make you not like Shane...
 

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Posted by LASHbrain on :
 
If they want me to not like Shane, they need to stop showing him in the shower

And Shane's karma would have been better served to just ask Otis to pass him the gear and let the zombies catch up to him without Shane's assistance.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
I would have at least asked for the gear before shooting him in the leg.

Besides, with me...no hair to grab.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
It's a shame, though. Like Cobie, I really enjoyed the actor playing Otis. He did something for a comic book character I never took to, much as the actor playing Jim did for his character last season.
 

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Posted by LASHbrain on :
 
Yeah, he should have just said, PASS ME THE GEAR, and really took off while the zombies just caught up to Otis as they probably would have anyway. Of course, the way they did it does serve to continue to remind us about Shane's less-pleasant qualities.
 

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Posted by LASHbrain on :
 
As for other plots, Darryl continues to be the guy I'd most like to be stuck in a zombie apocalypse with, wether his ass is itchy or not.

Sophia still not found? Bored now.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
They need to find Sophia next issue, and get on with what is to come on the farm...have a walker show up, and show how Herschel handles them.
 

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Posted by LASHbrain on :
 
You mean next episode, tee-hee And YES, to both!!!
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
Wow, slip of the fingers.

Here's a thought...

Click Here For A Spoilerwhat if Shane does leave and is the one to come across the Jail, and then comes back for the others.

Spoiler because it touches on something that happens in the comics.

Click Here For A SpoilerThen, you could have a couple episodes n the farm, and deal with the barn thing. Then have several episodes with the prison, and end the season with them finding Woodbury (I think that was the name of the town.)
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 

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Originally posted by LASHbrain:
You mean next episode, tee-hee

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Don't make me go all Cosmic Boy on you...
 

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Posted by LASHbrain on :
 
I like your speculation above... we *know* at some point Shane's gonna be alone from the others (during daylight) running from really-close zombies because of the preview from last summer...

I hope it has to do with him paying some sort of penace for what he did tonight. Bad boys become good boys again once they get their punishment... Oh my, I'm getting a little warm...
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
Someone get some cold water for Lash...
 

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Posted by LASHbrain on :
 
THANKS!

BTW, Kirkman himself discusses every episode on EW.com, a site I'm pretty addicted to!

Here's tonight's:

http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/10/31/walking-dead-kirkman/
 

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Posted by Dave Hackett on :
 
Slow episode. Other than the Shane reveal at the end, it seemed like a lot of filler. My wife, who disliked the first season but was really enjoying this one, found this episode a step backwards.

I wasn't as negative, but it did seem like it was padded to make the full hour.
 

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Posted by NoLongerLegion on :
 
It will probably help his character stick around since nearly everyone loves a villain to hate and the 'Walkers' don't have a personality so can not be held accountable for their actions. Shane gives us a living, breathing, thinking villain that we can knash our teeth over. Pitty. I still dislike the character and hate the actor playing the role and this makes it likely that he will be around for sometime to come.
 

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Posted by SharkLad on :
 
Very tense episode... a tad slow moving, but it helped ground the episode for me... the ending was pretty effed up, but I can't say what I would do in the same set of circumstances... he wanted to live... he wanted to stay in Lori's good graces... glad I got into this show... now I just gotta get the trades...
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
DAAAAANG!

I just watched this today after getting power and cable back this morning... thank you, Charter on Demand! The intro threw me off, wasn't really sure what was going on... but even before the last five minutes I new something was up with Shane. He was jumpy, skittish, and you could tell it was something more than just survivor's guilt for returning without Otis. But the actual revelation sequence was masterful!

(I'm glad I didn't watch the "Talking Dead" session *first*-- the first words out of the host's mouth were Click Here For A Spoiler"So how 'bout Shane killing Otis there??" )
 

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Posted by LASHbrain on :
 
FANTASTIC episode, with one really unforgettable zombie moment!

Carl + hat = adorablesauce.

Darryl + Carol? I wouldn't mind it! I am secure enough in my manliness to admit their scene together made me tear up! *pounds chest manly-like*

Maggie + Glen = HAWT!

I like Hesrchel and Rick... I like that Herschel is NO-NONSENSE.

Scenes for next week showed Merle. Bleah. Leave my now-precious and sweet Darryl alone, you one-handed jackass!!
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
Carl with the hat FTW!

Such awesome zombie goodness this week...soggy...

Maggie and Glen - happy that that part of the book.

CAnnot wait until the you know what opens up.
 

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Posted by LASHbrain on :
 
Just read on Ew.com that, after 3 weeks there will apparently be a 3 month break before episodes resume.

THE GOOD: I kinda wish TRUE BLOOD did this too... the tormenting 9 month wait between seasons is terrible to sit through.

THE BAD: Waiting the 3 months Plus the potential to kill momentum for the casual, less-dedicated viewers. Also, the more than likely breaking up of DVD seasons into parts 1 and 2, which I view as a big money-grab.

Overall I guess this is okay... I certainly will be glad not to wait 9 to 11 months for Season 3.

but I am AGAINST buying separate DVD sets for 1 season of a 13 episode show...
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
Where was that? I did not see it in his weekly summary Q&A...unless I somehow skipped it...
 

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Posted by Dave Hackett on :
 
Worst episode since the CDC. The plot ground to a halt, and the paltry character development didn't make up for it. This entire episode could have been effectively told in 20 minutes and then we could have moved on. Why tease prominent shots of Click Here For A Spoilerthe barn, if you aren't even going to use it in the cliffhanger?

Click Here For A SpoilerEven my wife, who I never told about the books said "so who's dead in the barn then"?
 

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Posted by LASHbrain on :
 
Dev, it is mentioned on the 3rd page of the EW recap (where they are more inclined with Dave's way of thinking about the episode, BTW):


http://tvrecaps.ew.com/recap/walking-dead-recap-pregnant-episode-4/3/
 

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Posted by LASHbrain on :
 
So if my math is accurate, once Season 2 is totally complete, it will be only a 5 month wait for Season 3 assuming it begins in October 2012...
 

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Posted by SharkLad on :
 
Loved this episode... zombie in the well... so gross... loved the hookup between Glenn and Maggie... "I'll have sex with you. It's not like our options are vast these days"... it's the end of the world, so why shouldn't the nerdy pizza delivery guy be getting some... I know lots of people are complaining about how slow the show is moving, but I love the pace... tension can be a really difficult thing to create, but this show does it expertly... so glad I finally relented and started watching...
 

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Posted by KidChaos on :
 
Normally, I'd agree that the pace of the show helps build drama and tension. But this last episode just killed the momentum.

I get the impression that the Merle we saw in the sneak peek is a dream or hallucination or something of Darryl's. Darryl realizes he's getting soft so he dreams of big brother telling him to man up.

I like the idea of carol and Darryl as a couple. But we all know where Carol's weak, needy personality leads her... There's sadly no place for her in a world like this. Darryl and Andrea might work better. Anyone else hoping we *don't* see Andrea and Dale hook up?

My prediction for Sophia? She found another, not so good group of survivors (or is found by them) and quickly becomes brainwashed as, sadly, any child would in those circumstances.

Speaking of Sophia, her mother seems to be taking it a little too well. If my child were lost in zombie infested country I'd be batshit insane or out there looking for her. Probably both.

Anyway, still love this show but they gotta pick up the pace.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
I thought it was a terrific episode, personally. I didn't feel the character development was at all "paltry"! And wasn't the well zombie sequence absolutely hilarious as well as gross?

This episode mirrored the comic's tendency to balance action out with downtime, but I loved every bit of it.

Hope we're closer to Andrea becoming a crackshot. I think they're building to it so that it becomes an outlet for her to refocus and have a purpose in life again.

Another funny moment for me was them showing Lori taking her pregnancy test! Sorry, but seeing her squat and hearing her do her business was kinda silly. A flash to her looking at it would have sufficed!
 

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Posted by LASHbrain on :
 
One of my biggest complaints about this lame missing Sophia storyline is Carol's reactions, or more correctly NON-reactions. I have tried to somewhat temper my complaints by telling myself, "old rules no longer apply"... but I still think Carol would either be crying all the time not just shedding a tear or two here and there, and I definitely think she would have insisted on staying where Sophia disappeared.

EVERYONE on EW.com is bitching about the missing Sophia storyline... this is KILLING the show for many and they need to bring this to a conclusion quickly.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
Yeah, I never would have thought it would still be unresolved, and Carol's reactions ARE underwhelmed. But pretty much everything else is going fine. I thought Andrea, for example, is moving to a better place.

LOVED the Carl/hat scene! Hopefully, it'll be on his head from now on!
 

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Posted by KidChaos on :
 
Did anyone else watch the webisodes? I thought it rocked!

Showing the TWD world in the very early stages of the zombie takeover almost seems sacreligous, but it worked without breaking any of kirkman's rules.

Lots of cool zombie moments. What happens when a dead body reanimates while someone is trying to give her CPR? Exactly what you'd think would happen.

And we saw how that torn in half zombie woman Rick first saw in the pilot died. So sad. We forget all those random undead have stories too. I hope we get webisodes showing how more of the more prominent zombies we've seen wound up dead. Well-zombie? That guy who hung himself in the woods?
 

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Posted by LASHbrain on :
 
GASP!!! MUST GO WATCH!
 

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Posted by LASHbrain on :
 
THIS IS TOTALLY TITS! These should totes be added to the DVD collections... how many are there...?? gasp gasp gasp!!!! 1 down, more to go...
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
I need to get to those as well. Maybe tomorrow.

They need to wrap up the Sophia thing next episode imo. then start dealing with... Click Here For A Spoilerthe barn. They don't have to have the full out disaster happen right then, but start dealing with the two groups at odds.

I think that would up the tension a bit and build towards the mid season finale where...

Click Here For A SpoilerHave the last episode of this year be the barn busting open.

Then in the spring, you can move on to dealing with the aftermath, and then the finale reveal of you know what.
 

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Posted by LASHbrain on :
 
Just finished the 6-part webisodes. A MUST SEE, the final scene will hit you square in the heart.
 

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Posted by KidChaos on :
 
I DEMAND we see those two kids from the webisodes later in the series!!
 

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Posted by NoLongerLegion on :
 
Has anyone considered that they may not do the 'barn' storyline from the comic? It could be a red herring to distract from a completely different plot unique to the tv series? Because, the signals are completely mixed. Maggie's attitudes and reactions at the well are in line with the 'barn' storyline, but Otis' attitudes and actions at the school were very much not in line with the idea behind the 'barn' storyline. And Herschel knew what Otis would be doing when he left for the school and didn't say anything then. THAT is also not in line with Herschel's attitudes from the 'barn' storyline in the comics. I'll be terribly pleased if they have a huge build-up, it does not happen and then the story goes in a completely different and unexpected dirrection. Of course, I would also be terribly pleased if the storyline did happen in a similar fassion to the comic, but with Shane becoming a casualty. Either way.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
Watched the webisodes. Pretty decent back story for the bike walker...er, crawler...er, dragger.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
One thing, some of the digital effects were a little wonky (blood splatters for head shots,( but the makeup was pretty good for a quick feature.
 

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Posted by LASHbrain on :
 
COUNTDOWN TO NEW EPISODE BEGINS NOW!
 

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Posted by KidChaos on :
 
Great episode!

Darryl's ordeal had my heart racing!

Carol continues to bug me. While everyone's planning sophia's search party, she's talking about making a dinner for Herschel. Really?

But carol's kind words to Darryl redeemed the character a bit for me.

Comic book- Maggie was haver a favorite of mine, but TV-Maggie kicks ass!


Best cliffhanger in a while!
 

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Posted by LASHbrain on :
 
Another winner...

Andrea needs to straighten up or GTFO.

Darryl + Carol! LOVED what she said to him!!!

And feces meets fan INSIDE THE BARN.
 

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Posted by KidChaos on :
 
Yeah, Andrea definitely should not get off the hook as easily as she apparently has.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
Dale's line was funny, though! He had a good scene with Glenn, too.
 

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Posted by NoLongerLegion on :
 

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Originally posted by Lard Lad:
Dale's line was funny, though! He had a good scene with Glenn, too.

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Well, it's true... Everyone HAS.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
It was cool to see a little of what happened that got them all together.

Carol and Darryl are a great couple...even just as friends. It may be her that keeps Darryl from giving into Mearle (even just the Mearle in his head.)

Does it seem that Darryl is trying to redeem himself somehow by trying to find Sophia? Make up for the life he had lead until this point with his brother.
 

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Posted by LASHbrain on :
 
Yes it does, Dev, now that you mention it... that has to be what Carol is thinking too.

Yeah, Dale's line gave me a rare LOL moment... but I'm done giving Andrea leeway. I want repercussions for this!
 

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Posted by SharkLad on :
 
Great spotlight on Darryl... loved the scene with him and Carol... and the ending was sprockin' awesome!
 

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Posted by Blacula on :
 
I've just watched episodes 3-5 (I think episode 6 is just about to air over there in America so I'm a week behind) and I am *LOVING* this season.

I TOTALLY disagree with all those who say this season has been "slow" or that this Sophia sub-plot is "dragging" or whatever. I think the pacing is perfect. That's probably the difference between watching this show week-to-week and watching it all in one hit though. The tension stays up and the story breezes by when you watch it the latter way.

LOVE:

* The zombie in the well! OMG! That was hilarious and gross!
* T-Dog and Daryl! I want them to outlive the main characters now!
* Andrea is showing signs of the comic character I know and love at last.
* I also really like Maggie in the show which surprises me because, like someone else said upthread, in the book she's one of the most "eh" characters for me.
* This Sophia storyline. I may be the only one, but I'm into it. It probably is time it wound down though. Personally, I'd be really happy if we just never find out what happened to her. It would be a totally realistic conclusion. People disappear all the time in the real world. Imagine how many would do so after a zombie apocalypse!

DON'T LOVE:

* What Shane did to Otis. I know that they have to make the audience hate him so that we can forgive you-know-who for you-know-what later on, but I love this character dammit and I don't want them mucking that up! I feel like that whole scene could have been handled a lot better too. a) because it was pretty obvious what was going to happen about half way through the episode and b) because there was really no reason for Shane to shoot him when he did; the zombies should have been a lot closer for it to look like Shane's decision was necessary.
* Dream-Merle. I think 'LOST' is the only show to ever do dream-characters right. I guess he wasn't too bad though. And his re-appearance and reminder to the audience does have me wondering if they are indeed going to go down the 'Merle as Governor' road as some suspect. Not sure how I feel about that.
* Two random people popping up out of nowhere in the past two episodes. HOW HAS NO ONE ELSE COMMENTED ON THIS? Are they Hershel's other children? He seems to act like they are. Where were they during the events of the previous two episodes then? That seemed like really poor planning on the writers' parts. Almost like they knew they wanted to introduce two more characters but didn't want to pay the actors for a couple of episodes. Totally shades of Nikki and Paolo on 'LOST'. If they just haphazardly get killed off in the barn as haphazardly as they were introduced that will just be the sloppiest writing of the season IMO.

That's all I can think of for now. I watch the show with two friends who've never read the books and they are on the edge of their seats the whole time when we watch it. Afterward, they say they love the show but almost can't bear the tension. I find that interesting because, while I love the show, I certainly don't feel anywhere near the tension they do. I guess that's the difference between those who've read the books and those who haven't. I had no fear for Glen during the well scene for example because I know he has a greater future in store, whereas they have no idea who lives and who dies or when, so it's all very nerve-wracking for them. Seeing how invested they're getting, it almost makes me wish I was approaching the show with fresh eyes too. Almost.
 

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Posted by LASHbrain on :
 
I don't think you should put TOO too much faith in knowing the comic... Kirkman has stated that the TV show should be considered a seperate though related entity, which is how I am looking at it this season (and am enjoying it a LOT more because of it).

As for the mysterious extra Greene kids showing up-- Pov, Dev and I definitely commented on that but I guess it was over on Facebook. Everyone in that house should have been introduced from the get-go.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
Andrea has arrived in a big way.

They cemented the way the Maggie/Glenn situation is going this week.

Click Here For A SpoilerAndrea and Shane...wow, big deviation there.

I still think Carol is going to put a move on Darryl this season.
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
Especially if/when he finds Sophia... she gonna go Cougar on his fine young self... LD
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
And re: your spoiler, Dev... yes, but I like it.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
So do I actually. Makes sense too with how things are playing out.
 

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Posted by LASHbrain on :
 
Another good episode... I enjoyed the focus on Dale. And I **love** the A and S deviation!

I'm hoping from here on in Andrea will be less insufferable for me.

Also, I'm very glad there's no more secrets between Lori and Rick!
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
EXCELLENT EFFING EPISODE!!!!

Each scene felt like it served a purpose--it was jam-packed!
 

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Posted by SharkLad on :
 
Dang, Andrea must have been feeling pretty good after shooting all those zombies... I didn't see that pair-up coming, but I kinda like it... if things play out similarly to the books for the lucky guy whose crotch she grabbed, which they could now that Carl is carrying, Andrea could still end up with Dale... good episode overall, with lots of character development, but a tad slow... can't wait for next week!
 

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Posted by ActorLad on :
 
Today's the last day to enter this years "Stagger-On Role" sweepstakes. I hope today's extra mojo helps me win but if I have to lose it would sting less if a friend got the opportunity.
 

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Posted by SharkLad on :
 
Mid-season finale tonight! Let's see that barn door bust open!
 

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Posted by LASHbrain on :
 
EW's Ken Tucker is totally turning agaisnt the show-- I gave him the old what-for.

You guys could too, if you are enjoying this season:


http://watching-tv.ew.com/2011/11/27/walking-dead-season-2-episode-7-sophia/
 

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Posted by LASHbrain on :
 
WELL NOW... how was that for a mid-season finale?

I'm loving it. Really excited to see where things go next, but one thing is sure-- the farm is DONE... It will be overrun with zombies now.

Gee... that was smart, Shane.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
....devastating....
 

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Posted by SharkLad on :
 
HOLY CRAP!

That last scene had me on the edge of my seat... wasn't expecting that, though I probably should have... life on the farm ain't gonna be the same...
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Mind-blowingly awesome episode!

And for fans of the comic series, the first true 'you don't know shit' moment!
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
They are off the rails at this point from the books. I can see the broad strokes still out there, but everything else is up for grabs.

I love it that way!!!

Great episode and the last couple minutes were just beyond anything I could have hoped for. The only thing that would have floored me more was if Carl had gotten up and done the deed.
 

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Posted by LASHbrain on :
 
I'm watching the re-run!
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
Okay, do they deal with the fact that Herschel (at least) had an idea that Sophia was in the barn?
 

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Posted by Dave Hackett on :
 

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Originally posted by LASHbrain:
EW's Ken Tucker is totally turning agaisnt the show-- I gave him the old what-for.

You guys could too, if you are enjoying this season:


http://watching-tv.ew.com/2011/11/27/walking-dead-season-2-episode-7-sophia/

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He's not entirely wrong. The first two episodes were great and last night's episode was really good, but the middle four episodes took way too much time to cover the ground they did, with very little to show for it. With few exceptions, character development has been stunted, or at least slowed to a crawl, and the plot floundered. In retrospect, we see it's so the reveal of Sophia would have more impact, but if that's the case they should have factored more into narrative structure other than episode after episode of "holding pattern" while they got there.

It was a good, dramatic episode, but it was at the expense of what could have been a stronger first half of the season.
 

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Posted by LASHbrain on :
 
The show recapper (not Ken Tucker) calls it the best epsiode since the Season 1 premiere.

I myself found season 2 part 1 as a whole to be pretty good overall... there was a long period set in a peaceful setting, with subplots (Carl- shot... missing Sophia of course... walkers in the barn... Maggie/Glenn... Lori PG!, Shane going postal), that built to an exciting finale.

What more can people want? Every episode can't be zombie armageddon.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Oddly enough, I actually thought there was too much zombie stuff this half-season. It seemed like each ep. had the token zombie encounter, and they seemed kind of less menacing. Last season it seemed like whenever there was a zombie encounter, it was a huge deal. Maybe it's just that no one actually got zombie bit except the incredibly predictable fat guy, at least up until the last minute reveal.
 

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Posted by evil MLLASH tot on :
 
The EW reviewer calls the last scene a role-reversal, turning the HUMANS into the monsters... They were never in any real danger... the chain on the barn door ensured only 1-2 zombies could stumble out at a time once Shane smashed into it...

So there go our humans, being judge, jury and executioners while the man to whom they owed their safe heaven could do nothing but look on in horror.

Yeah, our guys-- totally the villains in that moment... excepting Glenn, who DID seek permission from Maggie... Maggie is going to kick ASS on this show it seems.

Anyway, I think the last scene drove home Herschel's point of view exquisitely!!

Herschel fascinates me. I think he is an excellent character.

I'm loving this show.
 

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Posted by evil MLLASH tot on :
 
BTW, I was a previous Shane-supporter.

NO LONGER.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
Other than I thought that the Sophia mystery was dragged out over the seven episodes, I thought that the first seven episodes went well.

There were Zombies in each episode, but a lot of them were isolated to characters away from the farm. Shane and Otis, Darryl, Shane and Andrea, Glenn and Maggie.

Sure there was the herd in the first episode, and a few walkers around after that until they hit the farm. But then aside from the well zombie, the ones om the barn...there were only the two that Rick, the kid and Herschel caught.

To me, a nice reminder about the dangers of the world they live in is a good thing, and will prevent some watchers of the show from complaining about there being no zombies. Not saying anyone here, but there are those out there that would complain about it one way or another.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 

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Originally posted by evil MLLASH tot:
The EW reviewer calls the last scene a role-reversal, turning the HUMANS into the monsters... They were never in any real danger... the chain on the barn door ensured only 1-2 zombies could stumble out at a time once Shane smashed into it...

So there go our humans, being judge, jury and executioners while the man to whom they owed their safe heaven could do nothing but look on in horror.

Yeah, our guys-- totally the villains in that moment... excepting Glenn, who DID seek permission from Maggie... Maggie is going to kick ASS on this show it seems.

Anyway, I think the last scene drove home Herschel's point of view exquisitely!!

Herschel fascinates me. I think he is an excellent character.

I'm loving this show.

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I don't think that they majority of the characters did anything that any of us would not have done. Shane forced the issue, but once the zeds were out in the open...what would you have done?

I thought the Maggie / Glenn part of that was awesome.

The rest were doing what they thought they had to given the situation they were forced into.

Herschel having such a view of the Zeds is an interesting one, but ultimately flawed. Shane showed that by shooting the one repeatedly with it continuing to come after him as best it could. People would not come back from decomposition like that. And as was pointed out to him several times...he has had no real idea of what life was like outside his farm. His encounters have been limited to a dozen or so walkers that have wandered onto the farm. Maggie held the same views until she was attacked and saw one get up with its head hanging to the side, all but detached from it's body.

Shane is the "villain" of the piece...the rest are guilty of non-action in trying to stop him if anything. I'm also sure that any of them would have thought that Shane would have had no problem shooting anyone that had tried to stop him...or force them to shoot him.

One thing that I find compelling is that for all his bravado, Shane did not have the balls to pull the trigger on Sophia when she emerged. The others I give a pass...hell, Andrea shot her own sister in the head when she turned. It took Rick, who up until then had stood back like a someone who had lost complete control. With that one action though, he may very well have regained control from Shane.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out...we're not completely done with the farm yet. The fallout has to be dealt with. Then we have them eventually leave the farm and find their next home.

Rick, Glenn (who got the okay - which could be a discussion in and of itself), Dale, Lori and Carl are the only ones that did not participate in the barn thing. Rick only stepped in when the others froze in their tracks.

The other thing is...it's an inevitability that they would have eventually gotten out of the barn on their own. The more in there would have eventually given them enough force to make a break for the human buffet sleeping a little ways away.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
btw - I love playing devils advocate.
 

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Posted by evil MLLASH tot on :
 
No prob, I love a little back and forth on something I know we both like so much!

Now... nothing you say is untrue and I agree with many of your points, particularly singling Shane as the REAL villain of that scene.

Putting myself in Herschel's shoes, I would be ENRAGED at what Shane has done. The Otis thing was bad enough (and I still contend was unnecessary as the walkers would have gotten him anyway). Shane has in fact now occupied Herschel's home... that was not his choice to make.

Whatever Shane might have coming to him... I now think he fully deserves, whereas previously I was not convinced.
 

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Posted by Dave Hackett on :
 

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Originally posted by evil MLLASH tot:


Putting myself in Herschel's shoes, I would be ENRAGED at what Shane has done. The Otis thing was bad enough (and I still contend was unnecessary as the walkers would have gotten him anyway).

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Actually Shane was more hurt/limping than Otis. If it was really a "only one of us gets out of here" scenario, Otis was the logical choice to keep trucking while Shane slowed them down. But Shane was in "it's him or me" mode at that point.
 

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Posted by Dave Hackett on :
 
Despite my misgivings, the last scene WAS a brilliant reversal, as it showed beautifully how both Herschel and Shane were wrong.

Shane, pretty cruelly, demonstrated the "reality" of the walkers to Herschel, but then Sophia brought Herschel's point back equally hard on Shane. Shane had no problem getting his hate on and blowing away faceless walkers without any compassion, as they weren't Herschel's family to him, but "things". Then Sophia turns up, the shoe's suddenly on the other foot and Shane's frozen out and the group falls apart.

Rick's the only one to man up and put Sophia down, not because he wants to or because he's filled with hate, but because it's what needs to be done. It was a perfect echo of the scene with the crawling walker in the very first episode ("I'm sorry this happened to you..."). Rick has compassion and respects who the Walker's used to be. It's not a casual thing to dispatch them, but it is necessary. That empathy is what sets him above Shane.
 

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Posted by evil MLLASH tot on :
 

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Originally posted by Dave Hackett:

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Originally posted by evil MLLASH tot:


Putting myself in Herschel's shoes, I would be ENRAGED at what Shane has done. The Otis thing was bad enough (and I still contend was unnecessary as the walkers would have gotten him anyway).

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Actually Shane was more hurt/limping than Otis. If it was really a "only one of us gets out of here" scenario, Otis was the logical choice to keep trucking while Shane slowed them down. But Shane was in "it's him or me" mode at that point.

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Limping Shane was outpacing Otis anyway. Otis unhurt still could not keep up with limping Shane...
 

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Posted by evil MLLASH tot on :
 

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Originally posted by Dave Hackett:
Despite my misgivings, the last scene WAS a brilliant reversal, as it showed beautifully how both Herschel and Shane were wrong.

Shane, pretty cruelly, demonstrated the "reality" of the walkers to Herschel, but then Sophia brought Herschel's point back equally hard on Shane. Shane had no problem getting his hate on and blowing away faceless walkers without any compassion, as they weren't Herschel's family to him, but "things". Then Sophia turns up, the shoe's suddenly on the other foot and Shane's frozen out and the group falls apart.

Rick's the only one to man up and put Sophia down, not because he wants to or because he's filled with hate, but because it's what needs to be done. It was a perfect echo of the scene with the crawling walker in the very first episode ("I'm sorry this happened to you..."). Rick has compassion and respects who the Walker's used to be. It's not a casual thing to dispatch them, but it is necessary. That empathy is what sets him above Shane.

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I totally agree. February should be very interesting!!
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 

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Originally posted by Dave Hackett:
Despite my misgivings, the last scene WAS a brilliant reversal, as it showed beautifully how both Herschel and Shane were wrong.

Shane, pretty cruelly, demonstrated the "reality" of the walkers to Herschel, but then Sophia brought Herschel's point back equally hard on Shane. Shane had no problem getting his hate on and blowing away faceless walkers without any compassion, as they weren't Herschel's family to him, but "things". Then Sophia turns up, the shoe's suddenly on the other foot and Shane's frozen out and the group falls apart.

Rick's the only one to man up and put Sophia down, not because he wants to or because he's filled with hate, but because it's what needs to be done. It was a perfect echo of the scene with the crawling walker in the very first episode ("I'm sorry this happened to you..."). Rick has compassion and respects who the Walker's used to be. It's not a casual thing to dispatch them, but it is necessary. That empathy is what sets him above Shane.

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Fantastic insight into the final sequence and what that told us about Shane, Herschel and Rick.
 

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Posted by Kid Quislet on :
 
Have to feel real bad for Herschel; since the travelers showed up, his farm sanctuary has been totally up-ended and much of what he had previous has been lost (Otis, his Walker relatives and friends).

It would not surprise me if a heart attack or something completes the tragedy.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
Finally saw The Talking Dead from last night. Things from the show are below:

Kirkman himself said that Otis was the one that put the walkers in the barn, and that once he died they were the ones that had to do it now. This may mean that nobody else on the farm knew about Sophia...not that that would stop Shane from going postal on him. The last part is my thought...


They said that it was indeed a turning point for Rick...and the fallout of that would be seen.

Kirkman is not opposed to having Darryl show up in the comic...but his plans that are already set kind of make it really difficult.

Kirkman wants Michonne in the show...to at least stop people from asking him when she is going to show up.

Kirkman also says that killing characters in the book is easier, and there are times when he just does it without thinking through it to much. On the other hand, killing characters on the show is harder, because it essentially firing a cast member...which he doesn't really want to do.
 

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Posted by evil MLLASH tot on :
 
Breaking from keeping the TV show and comic separate for a moment-- Michonne's arrival has the potential to be one of TV's finest moments, and I DO hope they use that!!


SPOILER FROM SNEAK PEEK OF NEXT EPISODE:

The sneak peek for next episode I saw last night definitely shows that Herschel was unaware of Sophia being in the barn.

Herschel is as fascinating on-screen as he is in the comic.

Dave's previous post about that final scene will stay with me for a long time... and explains in words what made the episode a winner so very well.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
Like Hershel, I was SO tensed up during that final scene even BEFORE the final reveal! I gotta admit, they really surprised me with that one. I should've recognized all the misdirection going on, but I fell into the "they're gonna find her alive!" camp after daryl reinforced the Cherokee rose bit. As the episode neared its end run, I thought, "I guess they'll leave that for the second half of the season."

When it first showed those little legs, I was thinking, "is that Mrs. Hershel?" But as the camera slowly panned up, I recognized the clothes. I think I realized it before my wife when I yelled, "oh my god--that's Sophia!"

Most shocking moment on a TV show I've seen in a long time--probably the most shocking since the moment I realized Jacks 'flashback' at the end of Lost season three was actually a flashforward. I think this one tops that one in its sheer emotional impact.

For a second there, I thought Carol might run to Sophia and get bitten by her--something that would echo a scene in the book. Powerful, powerful scene that effectively completed the half-season and set up some real conflict for February to pick up on.

This is one terrific season and series, and I would have to disagree with those who feel it was "slow" or not as compelling as the first. The character development has been outstanding, IMO!
 

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Posted by evil MLLASH tot on :
 

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Originally posted by Lard Lad:



For a second there, I thought Carol might run to Sophia and get bitten by her--

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I *definitely* thought this was going to happen-- and am glad it didn't! I actually hope to see Carol and Darryl form a relationship now!
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
I was actually expecting something like that to happen at the end, only with Sophia coming out of the woods. I never thought about her being in the barn.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
Also, I'd have to agree with Dev that Shane's point of view DID make a lot of sense within the context of a zompocalypse. However, I'd have to say that Dale's did as well. (Good, tense scene between the two, btw!)

The ultimate tie-breaker, though, is what Shane did to Otis. I'd rather be following a principled, human Rick than a cold, detached Shane. (I mean, how long before Shane would turn on me?) I love how the show is exploring this dichotomy in much greater detail than they did in the comics. It was there even then but probably resolved too soon.

Loving Carl this season, as well. Loved that he got to cuss and get in Shane's face a little! makes me kinda hope that things end between the two eventually as it did in the books.

But, as this episode proves, you can't count on things working out like they do/did in the source material--and I'm glad for it!
 

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Posted by evil MLLASH tot on :
 
EDE- are you reading the comic or trades yet and if so, how far along are you?
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
No, not yet.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 

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Originally posted by evil MLLASH tot:
EDE- are you reading the comic or trades yet and if so, how far along are you?

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Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester:
No, not yet.

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*DISlike*
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
One thing to remember here, is that while we know what Shane did, the characters in the show do not. We can make a more fully informed decision on who we would rather follow, but the characters cannot.

It does set up a great situation where, in classic horror movie fashion, we can yell at the screen "don't trust him!!! He's going to kill you!!!"

Another thought I just had is this. Dale saw Shane line up Rick in his sights, and has said as much to Shane. He also seems more than willing to get up in everybody's business. Then why the hell has he hot said anything to Rick. "Oh, by the way Rick...the guy you trust with your life was banging your wife while you were 'dead' and came this close to shooting you in the back - literally."
 

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Posted by evil MLLASH tot on :
 
I wouldn't be a bit surprised if this info comes out now, since Dale's last encounter with Shane went so piss-poorly.
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
Inside The Walking Dead-- The cast looks ahead

a 4-minute piece I haven't seen anywhere else, from AMCtv.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
I'm curious as to what point in the series marked Frank Darabont's departure from the show. If Sunday's episode was post-Darabont, this bodes very well! If not, it's still wait-and-see.
 

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Posted by SharkLad on :
 

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Originally posted by Pov:
Inside The Walking Dead-- The cast looks ahead

a 4-minute piece I haven't seen anywhere else, from AMCtv.

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Looks very promising... especially the impact of losing Sophia the way they did...
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 

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Originally posted by Lard Lad:

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Originally posted by evil MLLASH tot:
EDE- are you reading the comic or trades yet and if so, how far along are you?

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Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester:
No, not yet.

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*DISlike*

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For the record, I read #1 tonight!
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
...and...
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 

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Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester:

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Originally posted by Lard Lad:

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Originally posted by evil MLLASH tot:
EDE- are you reading the comic or trades yet and if so, how far along are you?

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Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester:
No, not yet.

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*DISlike*

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For the record, I read #1 tonight!

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Online, I take it?
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Yeah, free download!
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
...and...
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 

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Originally posted by Dev - Em:
...and...

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...and since then I have downloaded/read the first two TPBs.
 

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Posted by MLLASH classic on :
 
To the comic thread with you!!!
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 

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Originally posted by MLLASH classic:
To the comic thread with you!!!

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Posted by MLLASH classic on :
 
YAY! Darryl found Sophia after all... drinks are on him!
 

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Posted by NoLongerLegion on :
 
*poof*

[ March 29, 2012, 02:54 PM: Message edited by: gone ]
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
Man, it sure SUCKED having a Sunday go by without a new TWD ep! Well, at least we only have a two-month wait this time.

Meanwhile, I was surprised no one made a comment about this statement i made earlier, regarding the Sophia reveal:

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Originally posted by Lard Lad:

Most shocking moment on a TV show I've seen in a long time--probably the most shocking since the moment I realized Jacks 'flashback' at the end of Lost season three was actually a flashforward. I think this one tops that one in its sheer emotional impact.

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I know we have some Lost fans watching this. Any comment, either way? Also, Lost fan or not, can anyone think of a more shocking TV moment on any show? I'm curious to see how the moment ranks with you guys!
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
Emotionally, it does top the Lost reveal. One of the best emotional moments on television in a while for me.

I don't know about shock value though...it's close, but I thought there was a chance that Sophia might be in the barn. Or at least I thought it would be really wild if she ended up being right there the whole time...
 

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Posted by MLLASH classic on :
 
The reveal of the 'rubber man' identity in American Horror Story was more shocking to me. In fact, that show regularly has shocking reveals.

As for the Sophia revelation, I think I am less shocked by it because it was just perfect symmetry. And, actually- someone on the EW board had speculated she'd be coming out of that barn in the last scene the morning the episode aired, and that might have softened the surprise for me. No doubt that it was one of the most unforgettable scenes!
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
Hm. I haven't watched AHS yet. It's been on the edge of my radar, but I keep forgetting about it. It's an ongoing story, as opposed to a new story every week/Twilight Zone-type thing, right?

However, I would say that if a show truly has a "shocking reveal" practically every ep, it might kinda dull their impacts. Pure speculation, though.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 

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Originally posted by Dev - Em:
Emotionally, it does top the Lost reveal. One of the best emotional moments on television in a while for me.

I don't know about shock value though...it's close, but I thought there was a chance that Sophia might be in the barn. Or at least I thought it would be really wild if she ended up being right there the whole time...

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It's a very different critter, as the Lost moment was pretty much a "OMG! Nothing is what I thought it was! Where do they go from here?" kind of moment, where this was more a surprise with strong emotional consequences kind of shock.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 

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Originally posted by Dev - Em:
Emotionally, it does top the Lost reveal. One of the best emotional moments on television in a while for me.

I don't know about shock value though...it's close, but I thought there was a chance that Sophia might be in the barn. Or at least I thought it would be really wild if she ended up being right there the whole time...

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It both shocked me AND touched me emotionally. In hindsight I know I should have expected it, but the misdirection absolutely worked on me! The reactions of the other characters really drove it home for me, as did the disbelief that the show would drastically alter the fate of a character from the book like it did.
 

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Posted by MLLASH classic on :
 
AHS is one ongoing story with lots of awesome flashbacks telling the history of the house and people who have lived and died therein.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 

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Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester:
[QUOTE]It's a very different critter, as the Lost moment was pretty much a "OMG! Nothing is what I thought it was! Where do they go from here?" kind of moment, where this was more a surprise with strong emotional consequences kind of shock.

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I know...there are big differences, but the common denominator for me was my overall shock level. Certainly, they resonate in different ways and push different buttons in the viewer, but both definitely share a "GOTCHA!" vibe.

(Am I right in thinking that the flashforward reveal was Lost's biggest shock, at least?)
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
I should have separated out the emotional moment from the Lost comment. It was meant for the Sophia reveal.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 

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Originally posted by Lard Lad:


(Am I right in thinking that the flashforward reveal was Lost's biggest shock, at least?)

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I'm actually not sure about that. Libby being shot would also be a contender. There are other contenders, such as Libby's being shot.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
For me, the big Lost shocker occurred early on when we leaned Locke was in a wheelchair and could walk again. Libby being shot was another big one. For whatever reason, the Jack flash-forward moment was never as mind-blowing to me as it's been to others.

So the Sophia moment has it beat in the way you're describing.

Other shockers for me that might have it beat include AMC's other great series, Breaking Bad and the end to season 3. I won't ruin it for those that have never seen it. In Veronica Mars season 2 finale we get a SHOCKING revelation to a subplot we thought long tied up that is emotionally devastating--just like Sophia leaving the barn but perhaps more so. And in Deadwood when Bullock's step son is surprisingly killed in a freak episode I was shocked and emotionally knocked for a loop--perhaps the saddest and most surprising tv death for me ever.

So, er, all potential bigger shockers and all the company that the Sophia moment belongs in, which is my way of saying I'd rank it among the best of all time.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 

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Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester:

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Originally posted by Lard Lad:


(Am I right in thinking that the flashforward reveal was Lost's biggest shock, at least?)

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I'm actually not sure about that. Libby being shot would also be a contender. There are other contenders, such as Libby's being shot.

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Twice for emphasis, eh?

Well, in my case I already knew Libby was a goner because I started watching Lost regularly with Season Three. It was a sad moment to experience on DVD (after already having seen S3) but Libby's and Ana Lucia's deaths seemed consistent with the other previous deaths of Boone and Shannon and the later death of Mister Eko--all kind of sudden and having degrees of senselessness to them. Libby's was probably the most painful and heartfelt of all of those, though.

I think the later major deaths on Lost were somewhat less shocking but higher on the emotional scale than most of these.

Sophia wasn't a character we knew very well at all, but seeing the other characters invest so much time and emotion into finding her really made that reveal pay off in a big way. I was really affected by Carl having to witness the whole thing and Lori doing her best to comfort him, even as she herself was devastated by it all.
 

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Posted by Dave Hackett on :
 
I'm with others in that I found it compelling, but not shocking. You want shocking, the reveal of the killer in Twin Peaks and the events that followed moments later, that was shocking.

The prominent suicide in Battlestar Galactica was pretty shocking, as was the reveal of the "Four".

Henry's Death on MASH was certainly a game changer.

As for Lost, I'd say Echo's death was pretty shocking for me, as I was attached to the character and wasn't aware the actor had asked to be let go.


American Horror Story is only on episode 4 in Canada, I hadn't even considered "Rubber man" had an identity beyond a manifestation of the house. I'm intrigued now.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 

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Originally posted by Dave Hackett:

The prominent suicide in Battlestar Galactica was pretty shocking, as was the reveal of the "Four".

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There were quite a few moments like that in this series. Maybe not to the extent of the suicide...but there were plenty of twists and turns along the way.

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Originally posted by Dave Hackett:
Henry's Death on MASH was certainly a game changer.

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One of the best season endings of all time. Totally gut wrenching.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
Yeah, I was waiting for someone to mention the M*A*S*H shocker. I didn't watch that one as a kid, but I can understand the sentiment. A great show and a great moment.

The Battlestar suicide...definitely shocking. It staryed with me for a while after watching the ep. I liked that character but never really knew him or her like I did some of the others. kinda lessened the impact somewhat for me. Of course, you could argue that this moment showed exactly how little we knew the character.

Again, we didn't know Sophia much at all either, but TWD set us up masterfully to care about her through her effect on the others. I think it was a really effective arc with the set-up and eventual pay-off.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
Of course, I was the kid who watched "Psycho" and was totally shocked and surprised (and fairly creeped out!) by the ending!
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
I suppose Bobby showing up in Pam's shower a year after his death on Dallas has to qualify as a pretty shocking moment, however lame the eventual explanation for it next season turned out to be.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 

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Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester:
I suppose Bobby showing up in Pam's shower a year after his death on Dallas has to qualify as a pretty shocking moment, however lame the eventual explanation for it next season turned out to be.

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Oh yeah, an entire season relegated to a dream is the very essence of shitty jump the shark moments! As I recall, the explanation leaked long before it actually aired, I'd guess purposefully so as to lessen the outrage to its impact in advance.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
The amazing thing is how they had to screw over a years worth of development in the lives of all of their other characters just to bring him back!
 

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Posted by NoLongerLegion on :
 
*poof*

[ March 29, 2012, 02:50 PM: Message edited by: gone ]
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
It's funny to me that when The Newhart show did it in their last episode...very last scene...I thought it was freakin hilarious.
 

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Posted by NoLongerLegion on :
 
*poof*

[ March 29, 2012, 02:50 PM: Message edited by: gone ]
 

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Posted by MLLASH classic on :
 
I re-watched the first 2 eps of season 2 last night.

the herd on the highway scene is so up there with any big-screen zombie film!

It was a mistake for Rick to ever leave terrified Sophia... better he kept her with him, since he could have had her hide in a tree ahead of him while he "stoned" the 2 walkers.

The church zombie scene intrigued me... the 2 male zombies moved to attack the gang, but the female zombie looked more terrified than anything and made no move to attack. Very interesting, best not to dwell on it, as surely she would have tried to attack sooner or later.

First scene at the Greenes, we do see that boy and one of the unnamed blonde-haired girls along with Patricia and Maggie.
 

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Posted by KidChaos on :
 
I thought it was weird that those zombies were just sitting in the pews at the church as if waiting for service to begin. Like they "remembered" their previous lives.

Reminded me of Morgan's wife-zombie returning to their house every night, trying to get in.

I don't think I like the idea of the zombies having some sort of memory of their lives.
 

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Posted by MLLASH classic on :
 
This was also hit on in the very first episode, when the little girl walker stops to pick up a doll. It does seem like a very very select few zombies do have that memory of previous life... which makes their situation all the more horrific for me.

I think it is effective as a way to garner a kind of sympathy for the zombies from the viewer, but don't think it is very "realistic" (I know, I know, what part of this IS realistic?)...
 

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Posted by NoLongerLegion on :
 
*poof*

[ March 29, 2012, 02:51 PM: Message edited by: gone ]
 

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Posted by MLLASH classic on :
 
You've sold me with your NotLD example... also I remember them gathering at the mall in DotD was referred to as some remembered force of habit, or something similar...

This also helps explain why that enormous mass of zombies had not wandered off from the High School FEMA shelter in the 2nd episode.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Yeah, the acting out stuff from their previous lives is a pretty standard zombie trope. Isn't their a scene in one movie where a zombie finds a razor and starts shaving its flesh off?
 

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Posted by MLLASH classic on :
 
Re-watched the 3rd and 4th episodes last night:

Shane and Otis were in a DIRE SITUATION. Zombies at every turn... there's no doubt. HOWEVER...

Shane indeed make a bad and unnecessary and needlessly cruel judgement call in shooting Otis.

At the time he decided to shoot Otis, they were quite a distance ahead of the zombies, and there's no reason NOT to think they BOTH could have made it to the truck had they continued the pace they were keeping. Shane's shooting Otis in fact very nearly doomed them both!

The well zombie plot... pure filler. No sane person would ever dare drinking that water again after removing that hideous waterlogged zombie.

Herschel and Dale are both fascinating characters... Herschel has a way of delivering his lines that I find both soothing and slightly annoying. And Dale, it is becoming apparent that he likes to run things in secret... quietly doing little things here and there in secret mastermind fashion.

[ December 10, 2011, 08:55 AM: Message edited by: MLLASH classic ]
 

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Posted by KidChaos on :
 
Dale kind of gets on my nerves. Way too nosy and meddlesome. I know the writers want us to sympathize with him as the conscious of the show, but somehow that makes him more annoying. But he is necessary to the show, if only to stir the pot.


As for the zombies acting out stuff they used to do while alive... I dunno. I'll get used to it, I guess. I think I'm comparing the show too much to the comic. It bugged me when the zombies ran and used tools (the brick to smash the window) in Atlanta, too. I need to accept the show has it's own set of rules...
 

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Posted by MLLASH classic on :
 
I've enjoyed this season much more by doing just that... Comic? WHAT comic?

The next 2 episodes...

Carol's finest moment was telling Darryl hs is every bit as good as Rick and Shane. I'd love to see them as a couple- but do NOT think it is going to happen, which is going to devestate me (and Carol).

The courtship -or whatever- of Glenn and Maggie is wonderful to watch... I *love* Maggie.

Shane & Andrea? Super! Perhaps my two least-favorite characters can go riding off into the sunset together!

Darryl coming out of his Merle hallucination to the reality of a zombie biting its way up his boot toward flesh is still one of the scariest moments for me on re-watch (and then, here comes another one from the woods!!)

Some truly intense scenes with Shane and Dale when Dale calls him out on Otis... Shane is bobbing and weaving like the snake in Rikki Tikki Tavi and Dale is his mesmerized terrified prey. Good stuff.

These are Herschel's 'peeps': Maggie (who is well-known), Patricia (older blonde from the operation scenes and gathering chickens for the barn-geeks)), Jimmy (young -and VERY cute- boy who offers to help look for Sophia, Unnamed young blonde girl (if they gave her a name, I missed it-- she appears most during the "gun training" scene, along with Jimmy), and then Otis (r.i.p.)

With that small a staff, it is no wonder Herschel -despite his misgivings- was coming around to letting them stay on... that's a BIG-ass farm to run.
 

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Posted by Blacula on :
 
Have just caught up with the fantastic latest two episodes of the The Walking Dead... but before I discuss them I just want to make a quick comment about some other discussions in this thread -

I'm not cool with all the spoilers to other shows that people have been dropping. Fortunately for me, I've seen most of those shows (except American Horror Story but either those posts didn't reveal too much or else I managed to scan my eyes past them in time) but anyone who hasn't seen LOST for example (and here I'm thinking mainly of MLLASH but there are probably others) will have had some of the best moments of that show spoiled here in this unrelated thread.

Anyway, complaint over - back to TWD.

*AMAZING* ending! Devastating! Heart-breaking! Powerful! I *DID NOT* see it coming at all! And it made the so-called "slow" search-for-Sophia storyline of the season all worth it with this incredible climax.

Shane is such a dickhead! I still really like the character but they're definitely pushing him into villain territory now. I predict the event that ends the first TPB to occur at the end of this season now.

Dale's actions seemed a little weird in this last episode. What was he hoping to accomplish by hiding the guns? They still need them right? And his sudden suspicion that Shane killed Otis seemed a little unfounded based on what the character knows (compared to what the audience knows). I didn't buy that whole confrontation.

A writer at the AV Club was complaining that not enough main characters get killed off in this show. They believe that the zombies need to make more kills in order for us to believe the threat. I could not disagree more! I almost had to check that Dan Didio isn't moonlighting as a writer there! The kills need to be sparse and shocking IMO so that when they do happen they have an impact. Like this emotional ending for Sophia. It wouldn't have been the same punch to the gut if T-Dog, Daryl and Maggie (for example) had all died in recent episodes.

I'm curious to see where the show goes from here now. Obviously Hershel will want them off his farm after this incident but I can't see any reason why he would want to go with them. (I disagree that the farm would now be any more overrun with zombies than it was before because all the zombies from the barn are now dead.) I'm looking forward to seeing them back on the road again though and God-help-me but I'm actually looking forward to seeing Michonne introduced too. Fingers-crossed I like her more here than I do in the comic.

Can't wait for the rest of the season.
 

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Posted by MLLASH classic on :
 
I do plan to watch LOST one of these days but haven't let any LOST discussion 'sink in'; I just skim over it usually. I have no idea who any of the LOST characters are...

re: American Horror Story, there's no hard spoilers in this thread, and definitely DO watch when you can- it's pretty badass for the most part!!

You remind me, I never did re-watch the final episode... I will do that today and report back!
 

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Posted by Blacula on :
 
^ I definitely plan on catching up on AHS at some point. My sister is very into it and keeps recommending it to me too.
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
IS IT FEBRUARY YET?!?!
 

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Posted by SharkLad on :
 
Full series marathon on the 31st...
 

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Posted by MLLASH classic on :
 
From Entertainment Weekly's site... I'm not sure how much of any of this is true- esp. since the writer makes some leaps like referring to TWD as Darabont's "creation"- but it certainly is interesting.

Read what ALMOST was the Season 2 opening episode of TWD:

http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/01/09/frank-darabont-walking-dead-season-2-plan/
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
I read about that...it would have been interesting, if not a distraction from the main story.
 

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Posted by Dave Hackett on :
 
Revised credits may give a clue to the new direction of the show:

http://www.movieweb.com/tv/TVhRXkhqQE3nlj/season-2-alternate-title-sequence



 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
Now that...that was awesome!!!
 

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Posted by MLLASH classic on :
 
The 1 week countdown has begun!
 

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Posted by SharkLad on :
 
Season 1 marathon on Saturday... Season 2 marathon on Sunday... all friggin' zombie weekend!
 

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Posted by MLLASH classic on :
 

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Originally posted by Pov:
IS IT FEBRUARY YET?!?!

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It IS!

Looking forward to a lot of discussion tonight following Season 2.2's first episode.

Everyone should expect spoilers galore!
 

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Posted by MLLASH classic on :
 
Can't believe this was never brought up here. The article I'm linking to ABSOLUTELY CONTAINS TWD COMIC SPOILERS FROM THE FIRST 6 ISSUES!


Is SHANE exiting the cast of TWD?
 

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Posted by MLLASH classic on :
 
Random pondering: It seems the liklihood that Whitney Houston's death will lead to higher viewing of the Grammys (and may therefore hurt TWD's ratings) is pretty high.
 

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Posted by Dave Hackett on :
 
Thought I posted this but it seems to have been lost (apologies if it turns into a double post).

I was waiting for Rick to not

Click Here For A Spoilerput a bullet through the second guy's head.

So it seems the survivors still don't know the big secret about the walkers:

Click Here For A SpoilerThat the dead come back regardless of whether they were bit or not.

I expect this will be a major plot point/nasty surprise at some juncture soon.
 

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Posted by MLLASH classic on :
 
Ratingswise, TWD is un-freaking-stoppable, as last night's episode smashed all previous records:


http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/02/13/walking-dead-ratings-return/
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
Overall, it was a very slow episode. In hindsight, it almost had to be after the tense, emotional finale of the first half of the season. The episode would have worked better had we seen it immediately after that one, IMO, rather than a couple months later.

That said, the last few minutes were pretty awesome! Even more awesome is the preview of there being immediate consequences and a pretty intense episode presumably to come next week. Rick's lack of reaction in the aftermath was pretty damn chilling in and of itself.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
The one thing that really didn't work for me was Lori's big rush to go retrieve Rick. It sure didn't seem like they'd been gone that long.

It was definitely a slow episode, but I thought it was pretty effective overall.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
Anyone who reads TWD knows that the zombies aren't really the greatest danger that the survivors face--it's themselves and other survivors. The end of this episode effectively begins to illustrate that point better than any in the show's run thus far. That looks to continue next week.
 

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Posted by MLLASH classic on :
 
I think Darabont's departure is actually going to be a GOOD thing. Rick bad-assing up did it for me, for sure.

I was so worried they were going to befriend those guys, but once dude peed on the floor, I knew they wouldn't be THAT stupid.
 

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Posted by Future on :
 
I'm excited for that development actually, Lardy. I know Kirkman is a big fan of that angle (me too) in the book and I was going to be surprised if he didn't play that up in the show sooner than he had in the source material. It's nice to have a different threat to work around besides zombies.

Despite what some would call the slowness of the episode, I actually felt like more was set up or progressed in some way in this episode than the last four or five. I'm looking forward to seeing how some of the characters like Herschel and Daryl progress now that they've been broken from their molds and mindsets from the first half of the season. The development with Lori also makes me wonder if they aren't shaking up her pregnancy from the books.

Click Here For A SpoilerThe previews feature a swarm of Walkers near the town where the bar is. Not surprising given all the noise people have been making the past two episodes. The reason I actually look forward to Yet Another Zombie Swarm is because I hope this and the other human group help force our "heroes" to get off the farm finally and roam about. I admit I've been spoiled now that I've caught up on TWD comics and would love to see how the show adapts Rick and company's time at other locations.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
It's kind of interesting that Daryl seems almost more devastated by the events of the mid-season finale than anyone else. In retrospect, it makes a lot of sense, but I hadn't really expected it.
 

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Posted by rickshaw1 on :
 
They probably spent so much time on the farm due to budgetary constraints. carol watches it religiously and I watch an ep here or there with her.

And they should know... don't eff with a Rick.


 

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Posted by MLLASH classic on :
 
Impressive episode, I thought. I was nerve-wracked the entire time. In fact, this may have been the best episode to date, especially in regard to me thinking I knew what would happen next. I knew NOTHING.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
Very, VERY good indeed! All the action (and gore!) was in the first half, but the second half was very impressive dramatically as well. Things are definitely heading somewhere!

My wife spoke of something that I've been thinking about: were those men scouting from a certain place the comic readers have seen before?
 

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Posted by Dave Hackett on :
 
It was a good episode, my only complaint is that everything seems like a setup to an obvious conclusion (Glenn manning up, Darryl choosing between the group and Merryl, Shane vs. Rick), so I'm hoping there's some surprises instead of it going where we think it will.


Why is T-Dawg even on this show? Talk about leaving a character high and dry.
 

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Posted by MLLASH classic on :
 
MONSTER sized TWD ratings continue!
 

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Posted by MLLASH's *glare* on :
 
How about THAT? KICK ASS episode tonight.

After the point was made with Beth and Andrea, I didn't even mind that scene. It made sense.

And the Rick/Shane/that boy scenes were nothing short of spectacular.
 

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Posted by rickshaw1 on :
 
By Grabthor's Hammer, twas an episode.



 

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Posted by Future on :
 
This half of season two is sooooo much better than the first half!

Click Here For A SpoilerI was really ready to kick Andrea for enabling Beth, but in retrospect I liked those scenes. Andrea appeared happy that Beth ultimately chose to live, which makes her more sympathetic after her unorthodox assistance. It's all in the perspective I suppose, and I can see Andrea with her past wanting Beth to be totally "in the game" or get out.

If Shane does get written off soon like rumors are suggesting, it'll be interesting to see if Andrea warms up to the others more or becomes the new 'group wild card'. Perhaps Shane will betray her trust somehow?

I liked the "wait, were these guys even bit?" conversation with the corpses. I'm ready for more aspects of the book to start creeping into the show.

Did anyone else notice Glenn, Herschel, Carl, Carol, Daryl, Dale, T-Dog, Patricia, and Jimmy were all absent? It didn't really feel like it though with all the name dropping. We've never had so many regulars off-screen since the first episode, have we?

I want a spotlight on Jimmy so bad. I think it might be a fun 'teen's perspective' subplot to explore his background and then give him some motivation or purpose on the show. After all, he's an adolescent boy who presumably lost his parents who is hiding out with the conservative family of his girlfriend (who doesn't seem to care for him much anymore). Have zombies brought him and Beth closer or drove them apart in his mind? Herschel was against the idea of him going out with a gun as if he were his own son, so it'd be fun to explore why he's so protective of a boy dating his daughter (get the shotgun!). Would he want to try and be a role model for Carl? Try and impress/befriend Rick's crew again? Were his own family members in the barn? If not, why weren't they? Kind of like Jacqui from last season, there's this untapped character I just want fully utilized yet he probably never will be.

Of course, that should probably all be explored after they figure out what to do with T-Dog.
 

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Posted by Kid Quislet on :
 
I have to say at this point I am enjoying the TV episodes a little more than the graphic novels, but both are top notch. It has been great that the TV version has gone off on a tangent somewhat from the comics, making them both fresh and original and unpredictable.

Want to see a spin-off TV series with Shane and Andrea on their own as: The Zombie Hunters. Andrea would sport an eye patch and bazooka while Shane frequently consults his ESP powered split personality.
 

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Posted by gone on :
 
*poof*

[ March 29, 2012, 02:48 PM: Message edited by: gone ]
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
One of the best eps yet, IMO, complete with several RZKs!*** As good as last week was, finally seeing Shane and Rick go at it and get everything all out in the open was really terrific. Lots to build on here!


***Righteous Zombie Kills!

[ February 27, 2012, 09:15 PM: Message edited by: Lard Lad ]
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
Finally caught up with the show. The last two episodes have been great.

I think that Wick had a change of heart at the end, and was really on his way out with the kid.

I seem to remember that someone in charge had said that they were going to address the Docs conversation with Rick this season...I hope they do, and the thoughts above may very well be it.
 

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Posted by MLLASH's *glare* on :
 
Well I didn't see THAT coming.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
I totally did! Though I thought he might just get bitten and lose a limb, ala the book.

[ March 04, 2012, 08:24 PM: Message edited by: Eryk Davis Ester ]
 

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Posted by MLLASH's *glare* on :
 
Now can I totally not see Carl being the next castmember to exit... meaning can I be (pleasantly) surprised by it?
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
I did not see that end for him coming...that's for sure. When the thing attacked him, I thought they Click Here For A Spoilermay go the leg route, and then eventually have him get bitten.

Bad choices for Carl this episode came back to hit them hard. Do Ricks bad choices set up something even worse?
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
Lashie...

Click Here For A SpoilerI can see things going the route of Shane Vs. Rick and Carl playing out his part in that scenario...to make up for what happened here.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
I know the analogy's not perfect, but the scenario as it played out reminded me a lot of the Peter Parker/Burglar/Uncle Ben story. Anyone else think of that?

But...WHOA! Definitely caught me off guard. I think many of us who are fans of the comic have been so obsessed over whether a certain other major character might meet his end by the end of the season that this death probably took us by surprise. Like the Sophia thing, it was well set up and probably should have been more obvious.

I will miss this character and this particular actor. Coming in to this series, he was one of the only two actors (the other being Laurie Holden) whom I had seen play any roles prior to TWD. He was also the first actor featured in the main credits whose character has passed on to this point. Brutal, disturbing scene and a well-played episode by this actor from start to finish.

I enjoyed Carl's role here, as well. I thought everything he did was believable and well-played by the child actor Chandler Riggs. In the comic Carl has always been one of the more fascinating characters to watch develop, and it's good to see the producers aren't afraid to explore that dark territory in the TV series.

So....anyone else who's a fan of the comics think Randall's group is based out of a town called Woodbury? In case any of you haven't heard, a certain "governing" character has been announced as having been cast for the third season. Here's one of the articles announcing as much if you missed it!
 

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Posted by gone on :
 
*poof*

[ March 29, 2012, 02:49 PM: Message edited by: gone ]
 

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Posted by Dave Hackett on :
 
I've been impressed with the choices made in the last two episodes. In what I thought was a predictable setup for the end game, the show's veered in new and interesting directions.

Carl has not been dealt with properly until this point and now he becomes the moral pivot of the show. Laurie's fears of him becoming "hard" are all but realised and Rick, Laurie (and Shane) have to deal with the fact that just surviving alone won't cut it if it makes a monster out of Carl. The show suddenly pushes the battle for his soul into the spotlight as the driving metaphor for all of the characters struggles. All the more fitting that the one unequivocally "good" characters has just been lost, leaving the damaged ones the responsibility to guide Carl.

Interesting episode.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
I loved how they got everyone all focused on the threat from the other group of humans, and then, suddenly, bam! Random Zombie attack takes out a main character!
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
I also love how Carl represented the larger group as a whole throughout the episode. Carl has always been a great character in the comics and now in the show he's emerged as one of the most important characters in a whole new way.

Every episode since the return has been very strong.

Some nice smaller moments too for Andrea (changing her vote--good for her!), Glenn, Hershel and even Patricia ("will he suffer?").
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
For the record, I think it would be totally awesome if T-Dog somehow managed to survive the entire series! Like we're in Season 6 and he's still managing to show up like two minutes every other episode and is all like "Man, I'm still here!"
 

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Posted by Dave Hackett on :
 
I forgot to mention sarcastically in my review that it was an awesome T-Dawg moment what with him muttering a single line and all.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester:
For the record, I think it would be totally awesome if T-Dog somehow managed to survive the entire series! Like we're in Season 6 and he's still managing to show up like two minutes every other episode and is all like "Man, I'm still here!"

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Seriously, I feel kinda bad for the guy who plays him! I hope they let the guy do SOMEthing other than, perhaps, have a gross death scene. Only Patricia and whatsisname (suicide girl's boyfriend--hell, I don't think he was even in the big debate scene, was he? Oh...I think he was watching Carl, IIRC.) have had less to do at this point.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
Hell, I'll admit it, I teared up a little during Dale's final scene and have the two subsequent times I saw it.
 

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Posted by Future on :
 
I didn't see the swerve coming with Dale at all. Looking back, the quick bit near the beginning with Dale trusting Andrea with where the guns are now stored serves as a quick summation that the two were back on decent terms with each other.

Click Here For A SpoilerSince I read the books, I was expecting a bait and switch as well. Maybe he'd be able to hide the scratch for a bit, or simply have to have a leg cut off ... but no. I'm really going to miss him. I feel like there's a "voice of reason" among the TV characters that's absent, with Herschel and Andrea not quite ready to step up. I do hope this is the kick in the pants Andrea needed to stand on her own without Shane and want to help the group stay together rather than drive them apart.

If the rumors with Shane are true, it's crazy to think we'll lose three of the original cast this season. I thought the forthcoming bloodshed with Woodbury would be bad. Perhaps they're spreading the losses out instead?
 

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Posted by MLLASH's *glare* on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester:
For the record, I think it would be totally awesome if T-Dog somehow managed to survive the entire series! Like we're in Season 6 and he's still managing to show up like two minutes every other episode and is all like "Man, I'm still here!"

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LULZ!
 

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Posted by MLLASH's *glare* on :
 
Suicide girl's boyfriend's name is Jimmy. I don't know suicide girl's name though. (Beth maybe??)

Hmm. Suicide Girl would make a pretty cool name for a bad-ass villain lass... she'll probably show up on DC's sure to be craptacular Earth ("THIS IS NOT THE JUSTICE SOCIETY") 2.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
Interview with Kirkman. Talks about Dale, the Governor, hostage lad and next year a little,

http://comics.ign.com/articles/122/1220034p1.html
 

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Posted by Blacula on :
 
I did NOT see that ending with Dale coming! But I loved it! (Even though I'll miss the character and the actor.) I hope the writers continue to shake things up to surprise the readers of the comics. And I echo MLLASH in the hope that that surprise comes in the form of a horrific, gory death for that annoying brat, Carl. (Although I do think the young actor playing him is doing a great job.)

I also echo EDE in the hope that T-Dog stumbles his way to the end of the whole show. Haha That would be great! I'm putting money on it now, though - as soon as he gets more than a line or two in an episode, he'll be dead by the end of it. Mark my words.

Still really enjoying this season. Yes, the WHOLE season. I think it's been much stronger than the first on nearly all fronts. I think I'm actually enjoying the show more than the comic right now. In fact, I don't think it- I know it. The comic has gotten boring and repetitive and the characters even more unlikeable than normal IMO.

Can't wait to see how it all ends up in the last two episodes of the season. A few months ago, I was sure Shane would be toast by the end of it. But now I'm not so sure. It seems like he's kind of resolved his issues with Rick/Lori for the moment and with all this drama with the Governor's (?) people brewing, it doesn't seem like they'll have time to get back to it before the season's over.
 

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Posted by SharkLad on :
 
Sorry to see that character go... will be interesting to see how Andrea is impacted... Shane too... not that much was keeping Shane from going all the way over the edge, but at least there was a pesky voice of reason buzzing in his ear...
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Felt it was a great payoff tonight. Many fans of the show, especially those who have not read the comics, will not like that death, but I felt it was richly deserved and nicely executed by the actors.

AMC is known for shows not afraid to take risks. This will help further that rep.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
Two massive episodes in a row, and next time out looks totally wicked.

Two things though...

Why can't Lori watch her son for more than 10 seconds at a time?

Where did all those Walkers in the woods come from? Or are they from another direction that our guys were not in?
 

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Posted by MLLASH's *glare* on :
 
The woods suddenly being full of walkers was jarring and poorly done. Aside from that, everything else was BOOBS ("boobs" is the new "tits")!

I hate to lose this character as well but agree with Cobie it was richly deserved.

Letting Randall think he was free and clear strikes me as especially cruel.
 

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Posted by MLLASH's *glare* on :
 
BTW-- I am totes excited about next week's "Night of the Living Dead"-ish looking episode (makes up for them suddenly inserting a boatload of zombies in the woods out of nowhere)!

And with that, MLLASH'S OFFICIAL LIST OF DEATHS FOR NEXT WEEK:

You can put this in the bank-- THESE characters WILL be dying:

T-DAWG: As cute as it would be to see him make it to the end, he's OUTTAHERE y'all.

JIMMY: You remember him, he was even shown tonight hammering something to remind you!

SUICIDE GIRL (Beth?): Yep, you shoulda did it right the first time... now you're zombie chow!

CAROL: She'll be joining Sophia as of next week.

Do YOU have any death predictions?
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
My predictions:

T-Dawg - I agree. He just isn't going to make it. I do believe that he will get a righteous send off though.

Hershel - Daddy gonna go down with the ship (farm) to protect his youngins.

Jimmy and Suicide Girl - are both fodder, neither has much to contribute to the continuing narrative.

I think that will be it though. This will open up more room for the following next season:

Michonne - She is confirmed to be appearing at some point, so why mot next season...especially with The Governor showing up.

Tyrese and the two teens - Good a time as any to bring them in next season as well.
 

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Posted by gone on :
 
*poof*]

[ March 29, 2012, 02:47 PM: Message edited by: gone ]
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
When I posed the question to my wife of "why alluva sudden all the walkers?", she pointed out to me that it's been pretty well set up. Remember those 'throwaway' lines in previous episodes about the mud drying up as the temperatures drop? Remember the mentions of cattle getting loose? Combine the removal of some of the farm's natural outlying defense with the zombies being baited with more food AND all the gunfire, and it's been set up, whether we realized it or not.

I expect more than just one or two deaths next week. The previews really seem to be baiting us with Hershel's unwillingness to leave the farm. Could be a mislead, but I think his chances of being offed are high. Wouldn't be surprised if we lose Jimmy, Beth, Patricia and possibly T-Dawg and Carol. With the TV series clearly being its own thing, there could be a shock in there, though. Andrea, maybe?
 

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Posted by gone on :
 
*poof*

[ March 29, 2012, 02:46 PM: Message edited by: gone ]
 

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Posted by SharkLad on :
 
Amazing episode this week... not sorry to see this character go... next week looks insane!

[ March 12, 2012, 04:14 PM: Message edited by: SharkLad ]
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
I know why they are called walkers. I know the set up.

The thing I have with it is that Rick and Shane, as well as Glenn and Darryl were walking around the woods. Not a walker in sight.

A gunshot, they cut to the woods, and there are tons of walkers there. Where were they...hiding behind trees?

Again, unless they were in a separate area that was not accessible somehow from where the four of them were, it just seems a little odd that there are no walkers, save the kid...who was never bitten, then there are tons of them roaming around like it's a rave party.
 

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Posted by Blacula on :
 
Another good episode - though after the ending became obvious quite early on, I did grow a bit impatient waiting for it to just happen already.

And even though we all knew it was going to happen, and he lasted a lot longer than his comics counterpart, I'm gonna miss Shane (well, pre-'Dark Side' Shane anyway); I really liked the dynamic he brought to the group.

And HEY! T-Dog got some lines and a couple of little things to do. Reminding the audience he's there so they can kill him off next week? Probably. But I hope not. I'm pulling for him to at least make it to the prison.

My predictions for who goes next week -

Patricia (almost a certainty IMO)
Jimmy (and the audience will still be wondering who the heck he was)
Hershel (the captain will go down with his ship)
and
T-Dog ( )

Comic spoilers -

Click Here For A Spoiler I feel they might keep Beth around to fill in the twins' role in that prison serial killer storyline. And I think Carol is definitely being set up to commit suicide later like she did in the books.

After losing two major characters in a row, I definitely think all the leads are safe next week though. So I will be VERY surprised if Andrea, Glenn, Maggie or Daryl bite it next week. Rick, Carl and Lori are rock-solid safe at this stage IMO.

As for the zombies in the woods. I had no problem with it. There are a lot of woods and Rick and co. didn't walk through every part of it. They approached that field from the woods on the left (in front of the farmhouse) and the zombies approaching them are clearly coming from the woods on the far end of that field (presumably where the river/swamp is). Not a big deal IMO.
 

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Posted by Dave Hackett on :
 
Shane led Rick a fair distance but still ended up in view of the farm (though outside the fence), so it's fair to say he looped them around and quite a ways from where Darryl and Glenn were. The zombies appear to be coming from the woods on the back end of the field, while Rick and Shane emerged on the right hand side, so it's entirely possible they didn't see the walkers there. They did establish more walkers were showing up (munching on cattle), and Carl proved last week they had a way in to at least the outer fields.

As to where they came from, I just read the issue two nights ago where Glenn, Rick and Micchone walked to Woodbury from the crash site, and Micchone commented that the walkers had there sent, and even though they were slow, more and more were joining the chase and if they stopped for significant amounts of time, they'd be overrun. With all the comings and goings at the farm, I'm sure the walkers have slowly been making their way there on the same principle.
 

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Posted by gone on :
 
*poof*

[ March 29, 2012, 02:46 PM: Message edited by: gone ]
 

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Posted by MLLASH's *glare* on :
 
It could have been set up better to me, but I figure the payoff is going to be great so I don't really care that much how lame the setup was.

I said all the shooting they were doing in the Sophia episode was going to bring zombies from all over. The zombies should have started showing up more frequently from the first episode of the season 2.2.

One bit of lameness isn't going to stop me from ABSOLUTELY LOVING this show, but I have still considered this from all angles and STILL think this particular setup was on the lame side.

HOWEVER... please see this screen capture from EW's weekly Kirkman chat:



So apparently a zillion zombies showing up outta nowhere was certainly noticed by others and per Kirkman IS a plot point that will be addressed. Once it IS addressed maybe I shan't see the setup as that lame. Until it is, I continue to see it as lame, but continue to look forward to the payoff and continue to LOVE this show.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
I'll agree with Lash on this. Give me a wonderful finale, and I don't care if the walkers bussed themselves in.
 

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Posted by SharkLad on :
 
Agreed... and no doubt the finale will kick arse!

[ March 13, 2012, 04:55 PM: Message edited by: SharkLad ]
 

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Posted by MLLASH's *glare* on :
 

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Originally posted by MLLASH's *glare*:
MLLASH'S OFFICIAL LIST OF DEATHS FOR NEXT WEEK:

You can put this in the bank-- THESE characters WILL be dying:

T-DAWG: As cute as it would be to see him make it to the end, he's OUTTAHERE y'all.

JIMMY: You remember him, he was even shown tonight hammering something to remind you!

SUICIDE GIRL (Beth?): Yep, you shoulda did it right the first time... now you're zombie chow!

CAROL: She'll be joining Sophia as of next week.

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Okay, one of my 4 predictions has come to pass...

Ooops, there went one I thought would make it.

Perhaps my prediction skills need to be brushed up. I blame T-Dawg and his annoying penchant for survival,

Lori needs to dial it down a notch over Shane. She was practically begging Rick to kill him a couple weeks ago.

So Jenner's revelation is out. Erryone's a zombie!

And the first appearance of you know who is JUST as memorable as it should have been!!!

And I do believe I saw.... a prison!

EXCELLENT episode, great show!
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
Such an awesome episode!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Posted by MLLASH's *glare* on :
 
I've rewatched YOU KNOW WHO'S intro 3 times. One of the-- possibly THE most-- powerful introductions of a character in ALL of comics translated VERY POWERFULLY to the screen. Stunning...
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
That scene space rawked!!!!
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
VERY happy with that intro!
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
Awesome episode front-to-back! Next season can't start soon enough!!!

Click Here For A SpoilerMICHONNE!!!!
 

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Posted by MLLASH's *glare* on :
 
Still the tits-iest thing I may have ever seen on TV... I bet non-comic reading fans are all like WHAT THE F***!!!?!?!
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
My wife was like WHAT THE F***!!!?!?!
 

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Posted by Future on :
 
I was a bit surprised by how FEW deaths there were, mostly because the comics had me braced for a bloodbath. Then I saw the Click Here For A Spoilerprison at the end and realized so many of the survivors suddenly make sense. Excited to see how they adapt everything and what new swerves they intend to throw in. Click Here For A SpoilerShame about Patricia. With the prison I was hoping she'd finally get some development, but I guess it best not to put off the inevitable.

All together, a great wrap to a great season. Even with the slower pacing of the first half of the season, this second half has more than made up for it. Now that they've found their groove, I hope that Season 3 will blow everything before it out of the water.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 

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Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
My wife was like WHAT THE F***!!!?!?!

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I cheered...and so did my wife! She reads the comic as well!
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
Well, kudos to them for totally explaining the walkers in the woods. Thank you TWD writing staff.

Hopefully we'll see some other friends come along next season as others get put out for the buffet.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 

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Originally posted by Lard Lad:

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Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
My wife was like WHAT THE F***!!!?!?!

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I cheered...and so did my wife! She reads the comic as well!

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Wild!
 

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Posted by Dave Hackett on :
 
I literally screamed "F___ Yeah!" with that intro. BUT my wife, who hasn't read the books, really didn't like it. She thought it was a shark jumping moment to include a sword-wielding ninja type character. She'll wait and see what is further revealed, but she felt it didn't fit (based on having no knowledge of the character).
 

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Posted by Jerry on :
 
Awesome episode.

Click Here For A SpoilerWe've been having a discussion about the Walking Dead strip that appears in the current issue of Playboy magazine over on comic book thread. After seeing the episode, it's clear that the Playboy story was targeted more toward the TV audience. It's a quick intro to Michonne that leads directly into her initial appearance on the show. It would be helpful read for those who had the WTF reaction or throught the show was jumping shark.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
So, speculation somewhat inspired by comic spoilers:

Click Here For A SpoilerI'm thinking Carol-Daryl-Michonne triangle.
 

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Posted by MLLASH's *glare* on :
 
^Sounds like a sure bet I think, EDE. ***** would certainly be jealous of the two badasses hooking up...!

My own spoiler speculation based on comic thought:

Click Here For A SpoilerAssuming the prison story plays out like the comic and they encounter that same 'Gang of 4', expect Suicide Beth to take the role that Herchel's twin girls had in the comic.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
I felt bad for poor T-Dog, who was actually trying to do something sensible before he had to take the annoying chicks back to their families!

Though, considering he made it through his first episode in ages with a significant amount of dialogue, I can't feel too bad for him!
 

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Posted by Blacula on :
 
MLLASH - I posted that same theory re: Beth and the twins on the last page. When it comes true I will share the credit with you if you like though.

Re: the final episode - loved it! SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much better than the crappy season 1 finale. No surprise here seeing the two who died go. I was glad Herschel and especially T-Dog lived to fight another day though. Moment of silence for the RV too. I always liked that vehicle in the comic. It had a more epic send-off there though.

That whole farm mayhem scene was really exciting actually. I wish it had gone on for longer and had more tense/scary moments but I guess that would've required a two hour episode. I loved the way the cast scattered in different groups; and even though most of them got back together before the end, it's still exciting that Andrea is still out there somewhere. Which brings me to...

Michonne! Now, anyone who's read my posts in the comic thread knows that, unlike 99% of TWD fans it seems, Michonne is FAR from my favorite character in the book. And it's precisely because she's such a fake, comic-booky, Quentin Tarantino-esque character in a world full of "realistic" characters (minus the zombies) that I don't like her. So I have been dreading that her introduction to the show will be a real shark-jumping moment for its carefully constructed tone. And I am definitely not surprised to hear that it's had that effect on some people. But personally, I really liked it. Next season will tell how over-the-top, Tarantinoey they make her but for the moment, she was a really surreal, unexpected WTF-type surprise for a show that hasn't had one in a while. Those types of surprises were the thing that made LOST the epic show that it was and I'm glad to see that TWD is able to pull them out every now and then.

Now, book spoiler predictions for next season -

Click Here For A Spoiler Do we think we're going to meet the same four prisoners we met in the comic? I think the writers might change it up a bit there. I even wonder if... *crazy controversial theory ahead*... Tyreese might be one of them!?! It just seems like we're running out of time to meet him and I doubt the writers would completely drop one of the two pre-eminent black characters from the comic. Unless Andrea and Michonne meet him on the road I guess.

If we do meet Axel and he's as likable as he was in the comic I hope he lasts longer then. Speaking of deaths, the show is missing a LOT of characters who died in the prison - Allen, the twins, Tyreese's daughter and her boyfriend, Tyreese, Billy, Patricia, Otis... anyone else I'm forgetting? Even if Beth and maybe T-Dog ( ) die sometime before the big finale bloodbath that's still a pretty light season deaths-wise. I wonder if they'll surprise us with any more major non-book deaths. Like maybe... Carl?!? His growth since last season is starting to look pretty obvious and they're gonna need to do something about it eventually. Maybe he'll die instead of Lori in the finale? Or maybe that's just my wishful thinking?

Anyway, already can't wait to see season 3!
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
One thing that stuck in my mind is how great Andrea's journey was this season. She went from a somewhat annoying character (especially for me since she's my favorite in the comics) to gradually transforming into a strong, fantastic character I've wanted her to be all along. She's not quite the ultra badass sniper she is in the comics (with added pessism), but that makes it all the more enjoyable. Laurie Holden, the actress herself, has gotten more likeable for me as well.

It reall clicked when she choose to side with Dale (after several episodes of subtle changes), and in this finale we saw her being intelligent & capable, with some bravado to boot.

I'm glad she's finally gotten to this point.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Also:

Click Here For A SpoilerMaybe it will be Carl, instead of Rick, that kills that prisoner they're worried about. Assuming they intro the prisoners.
 

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Posted by Dave Hackett on :
 

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Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
One thing that stuck in my mind is how great Andrea's journey was this season. She went from a somewhat annoying character (especially for me since she's my favorite in the comics) to gradually transforming into a strong, fantastic character I've wanted her to be all along. She's not quite the ultra badass sniper she is in the comics (with added pessism), but that makes it all the more enjoyable. Laurie Holden, the actress herself, has gotten more likeable for me as well.

It reall clicked when she choose to side with Dale (after several episodes of subtle changes), and in this finale we saw her being intelligent & capable, with some bravado to boot.

I'm glad she's finally gotten to this point.

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It's funny how people's experiences are so different. In the group we get together to watch with, Andrea is pretty reviled, followed closely by Laurie. It made the confrontation between the two of them earlier this season fun to watch. "I don't know who to root for here..."
 

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Posted by Power Boy on :
 

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Originally posted by Lard Lad:
Awesome episode front-to-back! Next season can't start soon enough!!!

Click Here For A SpoilerMICHONNE!!!!

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I think this may have convinced me to start watching the tv show again.
 

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Posted by Power Boy on :
 

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Originally posted by Dave Hackett:
I literally screamed "F___ Yeah!" with that intro. BUT my wife, who hasn't read the books, really didn't like it. She thought it was a shark jumping moment to include a sword-wielding ninja type character. She'll wait and see what is further revealed, but she felt it didn't fit (based on having no knowledge of the character).

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Well to be fair ... the books jumped the shark quite often .... it's true ... but it always turned out to be worth it and/or make sense.

TWD excels at *jumping the shark*
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
So... what season will we get the Musical episode of TWD?
 

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Posted by MLLASH's *glare* on :
 
TWD link-arama:


Read the MICHONNE ORIGIN in PLAYBOY for freesies if you want. (click pics to enlarge)

New showrunner Glen Mazzara has me TOTES EXCITED for Season 3 and you will be too after you read this.


My prediction: with TWD ratings this colosssal, EXPECT TO SEE ANOTHER ZOMBIE SHOW somewhere sometime in 2012-13.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Great Glenn Mazzarra article! I'm totally pumped now!

Love the glimpse at season three. And you can totally notice a tonal shift when he took the reigns mid season.
 

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Posted by MLLASH's *glare* on :
 

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Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
Great Glenn Mazzarra article ... And you can totally notice a tonal shift when he took the reigns mid season.

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No doubt about it. Frank Darabont was actually a hindrance to the excitement I am thinking.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
I do hope though that character development is not sacrificed for total shock value. Not saying that it has been so far, just that week after week of shock after shock would be...well, actually kinda cool for a while.

heh...
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 

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Originally posted by MLLASH's *glare*:
snip...

My prediction: with TWD ratings this colosssal, EXPECT TO SEE ANOTHER ZOMBIE SHOW somewhere sometime in 2012-13.

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I honestly think Zombieland will rediscover it's origins and be on television by mid season next year.

Which would be a good yin to TWD's yang.
 

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Posted by Dave Hackett on :
 

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Originally posted by Dev - Em:
I do hope though that character development is not sacrificed for total shock value. Not saying that it has been so far, just that week after week of shock after shock would be...well, actually kinda cool for a while.

heh...

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I'd agree with you if Darabout had interesting character development going for him, but he really didn't, especially in Season 1. A lot of characters moved forward on concept alone. I think they've been fleshed out much better int he back half. They're not all likable, but they're certainly more realised.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
I kinda said that as a joke, cause yeah...not much of anything really happened there character wise. Some things did, but not enough.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Best suprise 'character better in show than in comics'? Maggie. She's really been really fantastic!

It helps that the actress is great. And that I've got the hots for her.

Also great was Herschel (though I liked in comics already) and Otis (better in his two episodes than in the 25+ issues in the comics).
 

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Posted by gone on :
 
*poof*

[ March 29, 2012, 02:45 PM: Message edited by: gone ]
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
I think he was referring to a straight up Zombie thing, and not a mash up like that. I could be wrong though.
 

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Posted by rickshaw1 on :
 
I kinda like Being Human. First saw the english version on a few eps, but then I liked the american version. Haven't seen all of them, but I like what I've seen okay enough. Not great, but not horrible by any means.

I've seen walking dead a few times, Carol is a fan so I gotta watch with her, lol. Glad the guy doing the really sucky southern accent is gone, though. Stick to a jersey accent.
 

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Posted by MLLASH's *glare* on :
 

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Originally posted by Dev - Em:
I think he was referring to a straight up Zombie thing, and not a mash up like that. I could be wrong though.

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You are correct, Dev.
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
I had my first Zombie dream this morning... MAN, those things are tough to kill when you're armed with a ... POTATO PEELER...? D'OH!
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
Wow...a potato peeler is the best your dream could do.

At least when I had mine years ago, I had an ax. Thing is, it was one of those odd dreams for me where I was me, and everything felt real. Like, real enough that I remember certain things to this day, and it was probably over 20 years ago.

The heft of the ax, the feeling of hitting the zombies. Totally wild experience.
 

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Posted by Power Boy on :
 
having a Walking Dead marathon ...

I forgot how cute Glen was!!
 

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Posted by Nam'Lor on :
 
Nam'Lor says "Tap that!".
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
Just saw a pic at BleedingCool, and it was of a character we have not seen in a while, since sometime in season 1, and remember, there are a few characters we have not seen since then.

Who is it...

Click Here For A SpoilerSeason three just got real ya'll!!! Merle is coming back with the Governor it appears. Seems kinda stretching that they would actually meet up with him again...but it should make for some fun television.
 

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Posted by MLLASH's back on :
 
NooooOOOOOOooooooo! Well, I kinda figured that character would return. But still... NOoooOOOOOOOooooOOOO!

But Dev, remember that character DID Click Here For A Spoilerappear in season 2-- during Darryl's fever-vision!

This reminds me- first thing I'm-a doing once my housesitting gig is done is to have a Season 2 marathon!!
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
Click Here For A SpoilerI do not count that as a real appearance. He was a fevered dream, and had both hands.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
Trailer from Comic-con.

Some spoilery type things in there I guess. Lot's of ideas as to where things are going.

Oh, and the last scene...makes me nervous and giddy at the same time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShQz68Zkb3Y
 

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Posted by Blacula on :
 
I wonder if any of the prison inmates from the comic will make it into the show?

I didn't see any clues to them in the trailer (unless Daryl's "Who the hell are you?" was to them?) but it would be a shame if they were dropped completely since I think they were an important part of the plot. Not to mention it's always nice seeing new characters join the regular crew.
 

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Posted by lowercase mllash on :
 
SOMEone erased Season 2 from the DVR... SOMEone got a real good yelling-at. Also that same SOMEone erased DEAD SET.

MLLASH not happy.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
Ooooh boy...
 

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Posted by lowercase mllash on :
 
I'm also annoyed that Netflix seems to have dumped its ZOMBIE (and Vampire and Werewolf) sections under horror films. WHY?

I suppose TWD S2 will be out on DVD soon enough. I need to see if DEAD SET is available in the USA yet.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
That sucks about Netflix. They still have a ton of flicks though...but it was nice to be able to zero in on them.

Can't wait for S2 to get here on DVD.
 

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Posted by lowercase mllash on :
 
The Zombie section is back on Netflix!

Also, TWD Season 2 DVD went on sale yesterday, I plan to buy mine today!

Hey Dev, the DVD set is $24.99 this week at Best Buy, if you wanna go ahead and get yours, tell the Mrs. I'll be reimbursing in the next couple of weeks or so!
 

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Posted by rickshaw1 on :
 
I asked Carol "When does Walking Dead ret..?" "October!". I think someone's hooked.
 

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Posted by lowercase mllash on :
 
October 14th!!!!!!!!
 

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Posted by lowercase mllash on :
 
SEASON 3 SCOOP (not really a spoiler to me, but if you like to be TOTALLY surprised, skip this post):

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Per Entertaiment Weekly, apparently Season 3 begins several months after season 2 has ended. They've already been through the wintertime and everything. On the plus side, this will account for any growth spurtage made by Carl.

On the minus side, I think it annoys me and I feel a little cheated out of seeing them survive the winter months.
 

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Posted by Crymsun Kid on :
 
So will they have already cleaned out the Prison??
 

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Posted by lowercase mllash on :
 
That wasn't my understanding... best I could tell, it opens with them coming upon the prison.
 

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Posted by lowercase mllash on :
 
1 month, 3 days
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
There are pics of them clearing out the prison.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
Just four more weeks from tonight, bitches!

And if you haven't seen the thread stickied at the top of Anywhere Machine, click here to vote for three characters you think might get kacked this season!
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
And to set the mood for the upcoming, highly-anticipated set piece for the season: Prison Song by System of a Down!

Crank that @#$%er up!!!
 

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Posted by lowercase mllash on :
 
NEW WEBISODES!!!!!! MUST GO WATCH!


http://popwatch.ew.com/2012/10/01/walking-dead-cold-storage-webisode-amc-video/
 

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Posted by lowercase mllash on :
 
SHOCK/TWIST!!!! I think it sets us up well for some of the human-on-human horror likely to come in Season 3.
 

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Posted by Power Boy on :
 
They need to hurry up!!! with those new episodes!
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
Just watched the webisodes. Good stuff to tide us over until the new season starts.

Some interesting twists in that one. A little convenient which storage unit the guy ends up n...but a nice touch.
 

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Posted by lowercase mllash on :
 

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Originally posted by Power Boy:
They need to hurry up!!! with those new episodes!

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12 DAYS!!
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
Well. Great premiere for me. Plus I talked with Lashie on the phone during the first commercial break (just as charming on the phone as he is on-line.)

Liked the story beats. Nice to see the riot Gear already. I wonder if Herschel is going to go down the Dale path.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
The grave marker teased in the preview could be intentionally misleading. Of course, Dale was the 2nd attempt at this in the comics. Hershel could be more like Allen than Dale....
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
I thought that as well...just hoping they go the Dale route with him. Would be interesting for me anyway.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
I'd rather he stick around a while myself....even though I picked him in the "death" poll I created. It was nothing personal!
 

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Posted by Jerry on :
 
Intense all the way around. I'm the type who usually has the TV on at the same time as the computer, a book on the coffee table and the dogs running around competing for my attention. Kind of multi- tasking. This series is filmed so well that that approach just doesn't work. My eyes are glued to the TV screen at all times. Our gang was just mowing down the zombies tonight. Anybody have a guess on how many walkers they took out?
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
They'll tell you on The Talking Dead. I'm guessing close to 100.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
One other thing...I liked Carl this episode more than I've liked him since, well...never in the show. I like him in the comic, because he's so messed up for a kid, but hte show Carl has been a drag. This episode gave him a bit more to do and he didn't do anything stupid (yet).
 

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Posted by Dave Hackett on :
 
A lot of interesting choices. Spoilers and specualtion (including comic comparisons) below:

Click Here For A SpoilerThey've moved the pregnancy timeframe up significantly, so there's no time for all that needs to happen in order for Rick to go through his ordeal and then bring the doctor's assistant back from Woodbury, which puts emphasis back on Herschel, who is now conveniently in peril. Well played. I also wonder if Michonne and Andrea end up in Woodbury BEFORE they make it to the prison now, possibly with Andrea taking Rick's place in the events there.
 

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Posted by lowercase mllash on :
 
A great episode, and I expected no less. I do hope Herscel sticks around awhile but his time is most certainly numbered now one way or another.

I agree Carl was less annoying this episode but the season is early Actually I think he will be less annoying in Season 3.

Want some scoop on those 5 prisoners? Check the link. HINTS: One of them IS a comic fan-favorite and one of them is NOT another fan-favorite some of us debated might be in the prison:


http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/10/14/the-walking-dead-meet-the-spoiler-glen-mazzara/
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
So glad to know that one character is indeed there.
 

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Posted by Jerry on :
 
It's being reported that last night's episode was the highest rated basic cable television show ever. How 'bout them apples?
 

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Posted by lowercase mllash on :
 
Yep, and it also slaughtered all broadcast network series last night in the coveted 18-49 adult demo, as those who are friends on my Facebook page have already been made aware


Click below to find out just how massive a WIN the ratings were: (hint: VERY MASSIVE)

http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/10/15/walking-dead-season-3-premiere-ratings/

Those broadcast networks that passed on TWD must all be kicking their own asses by now.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
I'm glad they passed. We get to see a lot more, and hear Axle utter "Holy Sh!#!"
 

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Posted by lowercase mllash on :
 
REVOLUTION ratings take a giant leap for no reason Monday night... unless it's possible THE WALKING DEAD's massively successful premiere had something to do with it:

http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/10/16/revolution-ratings-surge/
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
I've a feeling Hershel will go more the way of Dale than Allen based on this highly amusing eulogy the cast put out on MTV news!
 

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Posted by lowercase mllash on :
 
Ummm... THAT WAS TITS!
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
Also, on The Talking Dead, in their Fresh clip...or info,,,or whatever. You know, Pop up vifeo for TWD.

Anyway, they mentioned that Dale was the one who got his leg cut off and that the shows creators liked to keep people on their tows.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
That was an episode and a half!!!

That would have taken half the season last year.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
SO true, Dev!! I am LOVING THIS SEASON!

Rick takes no prisoners!
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
"no prisoners"...heh. I see what you did there.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 


I was very worried a certain plotline might very well drag on and on and ON... boy was that worry unfounded!!
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
Oscar is the wild card though... he *could* be the substitute player for another potential (and gruesome) storyline. I actually hope it doesn't play out now.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
In a big way. looks like we check in with the ladies next episode and finally get to meet the Governor.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
Man! You're telling me they couldn't slip in at least one measly "you follow me?" in there?!?!
 

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Posted by Jay Kay on :
 
Hell, the storyline they were adapting there did take a couple of trades in the comics.

And very interested to see how the Governor works next episode--still not convinced on his better looks, since I liked how in the comics he looked a bit like a loser hick who found a way to rise to the top due to the zombie apocalypse, but hopefully they'll get the spirit of the evil bastard right.
 

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Posted by Dave Hackett on :
 
Lash, given the scene with Carol at the end, I'd say that plotline is definitely in play.

The only problem is, with such a reduced cast, it's hard to have an effective whodunnit mystery, add to that the Dexter substitute is already dead, so I don't know how it's going to play out.
 

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Posted by Dave Hackett on :
 
I also find it strange that the women will end up in Woodbury first, given that the motivations for the Governor are to a) find the prison where the group got their equipment an b) find the rest of the group.

Andrea doesn't know about the prison or even if the others are alive, that pretty much cuts out any interest the Governor would have in them (unless the kid Shane killed last season was from Woodbury).
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 

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Originally posted by Lard Lad:
I've a feeling Hershel will go more the way of Dale than Allen based on this highly amusing eulogy the cast put out on MTV news!

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Wow! There was a big spoiler in there! I'm glad I didn't see this until after the episode aired.

I'm loving this season so far. Pulse-pounding and not wasting any time at all.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
I have a feeling that the peeper was from Woodbury...and may be someone we have already seen. That would give them reasin to go there.
 

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Posted by SharkLad on :
 
I thought it might be Merle...
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
I thought Carol's behavior was kind of weird. I didn't buy the idea that her learning to perform a C-section was suddenly so important that she abandoned taking care of Hershel before they really knew his fate. I'm betting, however, that Click Here For A Spoilerpretty soon she's going to want to practice on a "live" zombie, which could set up something similar to her comic fate.

Lori giving mouth to mouth to the possibly dead Herschel was one of the most frightening things I've seen in awhile. Also possibly one of the stupidest things I think I've ever seen someone do in Zombie fiction.
 

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Posted by Jay Kay on :
 
With Carol, it's cold, but I can see why--I mean, it was more than a minor miracle that Herschel survived that, so she figured that if she's the only person left who can deliver the baby, then she better start soon, 'cause she is gonna pop any minute.

Now that I think about it, my question is--why perform a C-section in the first place? Wouldn't it be easier to do it the natural way?
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
The trouble is...if there is a problem and there needs to be a c-section, they'd be in a whole lot of trouble if nobody had any idea what to do.

Plus, not sure if we know if Carl was a c-section, which would increase the possibility of this child needing to be born that way. I know from my wife's experiences with this very situation.

I need to rewatch the first two episodes to see if there is any mention of this.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
I think they said Carl was a C-section when they went out to get the zombie.

It just seemed to me, though, that the C-section practice could wait like a day or so till they saw how Herschel was. It just didn't seem to me to have the urgency that Carol made it out to have.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
I'm just gonna chalk it up to keeping the season moving quicker than the last two for now. Hope that'a all it is...although I had the same dreadful feeling in my stomach when Carol wanted a Zed to operate on.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Also, it served as a convenient way to get Carol out of the way so that Lori would be the one in danger from a possibly-zombie Herschel.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
Very true. That scene came the closest to truly shocking me the most so far in this entire series. How wild would it have been if the unthinkable happened there.
 

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Posted by Jay Kay on :
 

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Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester:
I think they said Carl was a C-section when they went out to get the zombie.

It just seemed to me, though, that the C-section practice could wait like a day or so till they saw how Herschel was. It just didn't seem to me to have the urgency that Carol made it out to have.

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Maybe I heard it wrong, but didn't they say it's been 9-10 months since the last episode? If that's the case, and considering that Lori was pregnant for most of the second season, then she's pretty much due to pop the thing out at this point.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Hmm... I was under the impression that it had been only about four or five months at the most, but if you're right, I could definitely see it being a bit more pressing.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Well, the end of the last season was when it started to get cold because winter was coming. Since this is in Georgia, that leads me to think it was November-ish (late October at the earliest).

This season appears to be when things are starting to just warm up in early Spring. So probably April-ish.

So I'm thinking a 5-6 month gap has taken place, give or take a month.

Laurie was likely a good 6-8 weeks pregnant when they found out, right? Possibly more? So she's certainly in her last trimester, probably on the verge of being in that period where she could go at any time (38 weeks+).
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 

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Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester:
I think they said Carl was a C-section when they went out to get the zombie.

It just seemed to me, though, that the C-section practice could wait like a day or so till they saw how Herschel was. It just didn't seem to me to have the urgency that Carol made it out to have.

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Maybe I heard it wrong, but didn't they say it's been 9-10 months since the last episode? If that's the case, and considering that Lori was pregnant for most of the second season, then she's pretty much due to pop the thing out at this point.

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Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
Well, the end of the last season was when it started to get cold because winter was coming. Since this is in Georgia, that leads me to think it was November-ish (late October at the earliest).

This season appears to be when things are starting to just warm up in early Spring. So probably April-ish.

So I'm thinking a 5-6 month gap has taken place, give or take a month.

Laurie was likely a good 6-8 weeks pregnant when they found out, right? Possibly more? So she's certainly in her last trimester, probably on the verge of being in that period where she could go at any time (38 weeks+).

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Carol definitely told Glenn that Carl was delivered by C-section while they were obtaining the zombie woman. I didn't catch that bit the first viewing, but when the rerun came on, I did.

I think the "ten months" bit is being confused by you guys with how long the prisoners were holed up in the cafeteria. I haven't heard anything definitive as to how far along Lori is. I don't think they have any way of knowing how far exactly because Hershel isn't exactly a gynecologist. Plus, there's as much as a one month margin of error, depending on whether the kid's Shane's or Rick's. (How long was Rick in a coma? And how long were Lori and Shane doing the deed?)

We know that Season 2 picked up immediately after Season 1. Season 1 probably covered a week or two tops in story time from the point that Rick woke up. Season 2's time lapse is a bit tougher to nail down. It was, what, maybe three months or so from anecdotal evidence?

If that's correct and Cobie's short end estimate is accurate, she's between 8 and 9 months along.
 

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Posted by Jay Kay on :
 
Yeah, I think what I was thinking of was probably the current producer saying that it's been ten months since the start of the plague. Now that I think about it, having her have the baby inside her for 10 months is probably a little inconcievable.

As for Hershel's credentials for it, they did say he was an animal vet--which isn't perfect credentials, but knowing how mammals give birth is a step above someone who doesn't know how any of them do.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
Yeah, it is a major step up, but still a long way from Hershel being an expert on human reproduction and childbirth.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
Losing Darabont was the best thing that could happen to TWD apparently.

Absolutely enthralling stuff.

Governor is despicable but I like that, at first, you can almost see his reasoning for doing what he did... he wanted the weapons but had no intentions of letting a group of alpha-male military men into Woodbury... and one can almost understand that.

Then the other shoe drops with the final scene. Those heads weren't out of their misery.

He's gonna be 100 percent villain.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
Another great episode for me tonight.

A little slower than the first two, but a lot happened. A lot of set up, and wow...

The Governor is everything I hoped for so far. Merle is great to have back. Lots of little things happening around town.

Almost thought the one big guy might have been someone we've been waiting for, but I am glad it's not given that he was in on the little situation at the end.

Was it me, or did even Merle looked a tiny bit disturbed at the Governors reaction to what happened at the end.

Then we get back to town and we finally see Click Here For A Spoilerthe fishtank wall of heads. Including the chopper pilot.
 

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Posted by Dave Hackett on :
 
As someone who disliked the Governor in the books, I'm cautiously optimistic about the TV version. I found the comic version completely over the top and a little excessive which made him hard to take seriously. This one looks like there's a lot more nuance and subtlety that could make for a better villain.

Hopefully they tone down the

Click Here For A Spoilersexual violence

somewhat, as I found that part of the book overly sensationalistic without any worthwhile story payoff.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Great episode. After reading the comics, I was surprised at the subtlety of the Governer (and liked it). In fact, I wasn't all that shocked by the end. However, my wife, whose never read any of the comics, was shocked in a major way at the ending, so I think it was definitely effective, especially for the non-comic book reading viewers.

I also thought Merle was done really well. He could easily have been presented as totally over the top and cliched and instead brought several different layers to his scenes.

Great slower episode. Next episode looks to be back to the fast pace.

PS - one thing I need them to do is give Michonne some scenes that show her to be the awesome character I love. So far, she's all *glare* and posture.
 

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Posted by SharkLad on :
 
Agreed on all counts... I really like this interpretation of the Governor... the ending was great... I'd forgotten about that scene from the books...

I want to see Michonne kick some ass too... so far, she's been great, but they need to let her cut loose at some point soon...
 

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Posted by Dave Hackett on :
 
Well, it is in keeping with the books, because other than a few "talk to herself Crazy" scenes and moving in on Tyrese, there wasn't much more to her character prior to Woodbury.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
TV-Michonne has totes mastered the *glare*, for certain. Dave has a good point-- we seem to be bypassing the "she might be a nutjob" talking-to-herself stuff that made her a character to watch in the early comics appearances.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Ah. You guys are right. It's hard not to get ahead of myself sometimes!
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 

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Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
I also thought Merle was done really well. He could easily have been presented as totally over the top and cliched and instead brought several different layers to his scenes.

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Yeah, I thought he would have come across much worse. He showed some actual (as close as I think Merle gets) compassion to Andrea regarding her sister.

He could have easily come off as a total nut-job when he saw her, but he seems a little calmer (yet no less dangerous) than he was when we last saw him.

Looking forward to more with him....to see where they take the character.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
He's a great actor that can do a pretty nuanced and totally terrifying character (re: Henry, Portrait of a Seriel Killer).
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 

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Originally posted by SharkLad:
the ending was great... I'd forgotten about that scene from the books...

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That aquarium scene was in the comics? Haven't read that era in a while, but totally don't recall that. What I was actually expecting to see when the Governor went into that room was Click Here For A Spoilerhis zombie daughter. In fact I called it as how the episode would end to my wife (who's also read the comics) about halfway thru the ep. I sure hope they don't leave that bit out. When he looked at that picture, I was SO sure I was right!

Good scene, though.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
I thought the end would be what you were expecting walking into the frame.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Yeah, that's what I was expecting as well.

Looking at the photo, the earlier discussion on making zombies safe to be around... it all seemed to point that way...
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
I think it is still going to happen.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
So WAS the aquarium thing in the comics? A friend of mine borrowed those trades from me, like, SEVEN MONTHS AGO and hasn't returned them, so I can't look back through them.
 

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Posted by Dave Hackett on :
 

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Originally posted by Lard Lad:
So WAS the aquarium thing in the comics? A friend of mine borrowed those trades from me, like, SEVEN MONTHS AGO and hasn't returned them, so I can't look back through them.

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It most definitely was, a two page spread even. He drops two of the heads from the copter crash into one of the tanks and then plops down in the easy chair.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
Yeah, it's also floating around FB now.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Walking-Dead-Comics/116861795066584?fref=ts

Scroll down a little.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
COOL! Funny, my wife didn't say anything about remembering that scene either.
 

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Posted by Blacula on :
 
Well I didn't think it was possible but the TV show has actually created a Michonne that I dislike more than the comic version!

I know the writers/director want us to think she's 'bad-ass' or whatever, but constant Bitchy McStankface is just a total bore. To me, she's totally coming across like one of those people who has to make every shared/group tragedy or misfortune ALL ABOUT THEM. We all know someone like that. Like, "Everyone else is going through a zombie apocalypse too Michonne! You don't have to act like you're the only one having a bad day!" Ugh! She grates!

Other than that, this season seems really good so far. I was really glad to see the prisoners introduced (even if their stories were either extremely curtailed or seem to have been chopped or changed around completely). All the main characters seem more likeable/interesting than they have in a while. (Except Rick maybe - he's still interesting but they've definitely started moving into dark/douche Rick territory.) I'm still blown away by how much more I like TV Maggie over comic Maggie. I was glad to see Hershel survive his recent bite too. He's another one that I didn't really care about in the comic but really feel like his presence adds something here.

Finally, I've always loved David Morrissey as an actor (Blackpool is one of my favorite shows ever - check it out if you've never seen it) so it's great seeing him pop up in such a juicy role as the Governor here. He's doing a great, understatedly creepy job so far too. The way he delivered that "I never tell anyone my real name." "Never say never." "... Never." exchange with Andrea was great!
 

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Posted by Future on :
 

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Originally posted by Blacula:
To me, she's totally coming across like one of those people who has to make every shared/group tragedy or misfortune ALL ABOUT THEM. We all know someone like that. Like, "Everyone else is going through a zombie apocalypse too Michonne! You don't have to act like you're the only one having a bad day!"

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While I'm enjoy Judgy McMichonneFace (at least right now, another whole episode of it I may not) ... this does seem to be a pretty true assessment. Hopefully she'll get some development shortly, though I'm sure the first few episodes may just be the kind of development where she kills zombies in different ways. Le to the sigh.

I'm intrigued to see what becomes of Herschel. Is it only a matter of an episode or two before he succumbs to his illness a la Allen, perhaps even as Lori is in labor? With how Carol is working, it's setting her up to either deliver that baby herself or ...snicker... die practicing.

Still love TV Maggie as well.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 

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Originally posted by Lard Lad:
Man! You're telling me they couldn't slip in at least one measly "you follow me?" in there?!?!

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Got that in this one at least.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
I'm starting to wonder a bit if there was anything to Michonne other than the incredible visual of her and her 2 zombie pack mule/disguise pets.

Taking away the "is she or isn't she a nutjob talking to someone who isn't there" thing has definitely hurt her live-action character somewhat. Still-- I'm all about some kickass ladies and she's wise enough not to trust the Governor. I'm still into her.

A couple of surprising goodbyes tonight, the MOST surprising to me at least being the second one. The first one I have been expecting since he was introduced, but I know it will upset his fans here so I hated to see it.

The second one I figured to be a mid-season or season finale thing.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
HOLY!!!!!

That was an episode to be remembered for a long time.

This season is firing on all cylinders!

Like or hate what has happened...you cannot deny that this season is one hell of a ride.
 

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Posted by Jerry on :
 
The television series accomplished something with tonight's episode that the comic book never has. I cried.
 

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Posted by Dave Hackett on :
 
PVR cut off the last minute (C'mon, AMC!) Did anything happen after

Click Here For A SpoilerRick fell to the ground crying?
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
Nah, that was pretty much it! They showed some scenes for next week and ran the closing credits.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
Oh yeah, and then there was the Governor dropping the Click Here For A Spoiler"It's just my daughter and me now." line.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
Regarding the last shock of the episode: Click Here For A SpoilerLori is def gone. Read an article with the actress who played her and Lori is gone and it was Carl that took care of things.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
Didn't think that was terribly ambiguous, Dev.

Devastating episode, btw. Felt like a season finale, but we're only four eps in!

I was expecting something rather humdrum this week, to tell the truth. Maybe I was going by the slow pace of the first half of last season?

I'll miss both characters. I really wish they had kept the first to die around longer. He/she really seemed to be blossoming in his appearances this season. As for the second to die, the scene was beautifully played by the actor/actress, I thought. Lots of people hated that character, kind of justifiably, but I hope those final scenes made an impression. (I cried a little--I'll admit it. Especially when the other character reacted to the news.)
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
I've seen some things that some people other places might have thought there was a chance.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
I am so liking Carl this season. There...I said it.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Neither of the deaths was unexpected, but I would've expected each of the much later. I'm particularly surprised that Click Here For A SpoilerT-Dog didn't survive long enough to meet up with Merle again.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 

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Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester:
Neither of the deaths was unexpected, but I would've expected each of the much later. I'm particularly surprised that Click Here For A SpoilerT-Dog didn't survive long enough to meet up with Merle again.

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Yeah, I thought he/she had a hall pass until at least that meeting occurred. Going against that expectation and the other death preventing some resolution to the tension between that character and another one really make this season feel really unpredictable!
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
Plus we do not know the fate of another one of the crew.

I like how they are not drawing out things as they did in previous seasons.
 

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Posted by Dave Hackett on :
 

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Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester:
Neither of the deaths was unexpected, but I would've expected each of the much later. I'm particularly surprised that Click Here For A SpoilerT-Dog didn't survive long enough to meet up with Merle again.

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They do seem to be glossing over the fact that Merle is a racist prick somewhat and losing that possible conflict you mention is an odd choice. I get that Andrea's treading carefully around him but she does seem a little too trusting, but I hope this angle isn't dropped.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
Merle has been toned down because there now is someone around that he actually fears... The Governor.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
Let's not forget that Merle was a meth-head the last time we saw him. Presumably, he's clean, now.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
Good point!
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
There are still touches of the Merle we know and love to hate...but time may have calmed him a little (I hope not too much), and getting clean cannot hurt.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
A slightly calmed down Merle makes it all the more dramatic when he goes batshit evil.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
Like...when he sees Rick. That should be a very interesting confrontation given what Rick and the group has just been through.
 

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Posted by Dave Hackett on :
 
Watched the mist last night on Netflix . 2007 frank darabont show that was very much a proto-walking dead including having three of the main cast in very simar roles. A lot of the same strengths and weaknesses darabont was noted for on the show were all here. I don't know if I'd recommend it other than as curious per-cursor to TWD.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
Kind of a ramp down episode and a set up episode for things to come.

We dud get two big things... Click Here For A Spoilerthe phone for Rick and the Governors daughter.

Overall a slower episode, but enjoyable. Also starting to see how the prison and Woodbury are going to collide.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
A few other things...

The Woodbury scene at the end was done really well I thought.

Michonne got to say more in this episode than she has in the last 4...which is good, and it seems that she will run into the others soon enough.

Oh, and how about the appetite of that walker/sitter in the boiler room...he didn't waste an ounce. In fact, he was so full he couldn't move.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 

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Originally posted by Dev - Em:


Oh, and how about the appetite of that walker/sitter in the boiler room...he didn't waste an ounce. In fact, he was so full he couldn't move.

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Yeah, I didn't get at all what they were implying with that walker until I saw the Talking Dead show later. Eeeeeewwwwwww! I mean, DAMN, even the bones?!?!?
 

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Posted by Jerry on :
 
That was so gross.

Surprised to see the phone thing so early.

Carl trying to name the baby was a heartbreaker.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Yeah, the name the baby scene was fantastic and heartbreaking as Carl attempts to firmly be an adult while revealing how much of a little kid he still is with his limited life experience.

Subtle things like Daryl's leadership, Maggie's badassness / bravery, and Glenn & Herschel's caring 'family' moment were all great. I'm in love with Maggie.

I saw a theory that maybe Click Here For A SpoilerLori is still alive, rescued by Carol who used her limited knowledge to stitch her up.. It seems unlikely given what was said in interviews but I'd really like it I think, especially as it'd show the one doing the saving in a really good light.
 

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Posted by Dave Hackett on :
 
Michonne leaving was a surpirse given the comic history, though we never see where she ended up. Maybe Merle picked her up ten minutes later and she's held captive, or maybe she'll make it to the prison. Although this is more of a tension brought up by knowledge of the books specifically rather than in-show so probably over-thinking it.

I don't remember a phone call, maybe its past where I read.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
The phonecall subplot was one of my lesser favorites of the comic, so of course they couldn't wait to throw that in. Meanwhile, Tyreese is nowhere to be seen on the TV show. *BLANK STARE*

But as I have told myself several times, it is best to enjoy the TV show and comic as 2 separate entities... and the TV show is firmly in the running for BEST THING EVER this season.

How strange are those happy community scenes in Woodbury in relation to, like... EVERY OTHER SCENE in the show?

And that Penny... such an adorable tyke!
 

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Posted by Jay Kay on :
 
Yeah, Woodbury's whole creepy appeal has a lot to do with that "there's no way this community's this nice," thing--not to mention that it's run by a secret sadist that runs zombie gladiator matches.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Can't you just see Merle hosting a television show like "Redneck Remedies Post-Collapse" on the History Channel?
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
I'm liking Merle...and no, I don't think he's changed all that much. He's still an ass...just hedging his bets to find his brother.

Carl has quickly been moving up the ranks of faves this season.

I hope that Carol is found somewhere somehow...or did they address that on The Talking Dead? Have not watched it yet.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 

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Originally posted by Dev - Em:
I hope that Carol is found somewhere somehow...or did they address that on The Talking Dead? Have not watched it yet.

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They were kinda cagey about this on Talking Dead. The quick preview mentioning "Carol's knife" makes me think she's still around. No idea why she wouldn't have turned up yet if she's alive. I just hope it doesn't get drawn out like the search for her daughter did last season. Ugh.

However, what is whomever was watching Carol at the end of episode 1 or 2 wasn't Andrew? What if there's another creepy sadistic prisoner around (like in the comics, except separate from the other inmates) who took the opportunity of Carol's separation to make his move?
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 

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Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:


I saw a theory that maybe Click Here For A SpoilerLori is still alive, rescued by Carol who used her limited knowledge to stitch her up.. It seems unlikely given what was said in interviews but I'd really like it I think, especially as it'd show the one doing the saving in a really good light.

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Hate to disappoint ya, Des, but producer Greg Nicotero said outright on last night's Talking Dead that that bloated zombie that Rick went crazy on had just consumed Lori's remains before Rick arrived.

At least, Hershel had a good outcome with his problem and went the Dale route, rather than the Allen route.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
I hope that comic plot (sadistic prisoner) is one that is dropped, and also Carol's comicbook fate too.

I know we've got to lose people now and then, but I worry that the TV show isn't exactly finding living replacements for the ones we are losing... I can't exactly see anyone from Woodbury leaving there and joining the Grimes Gang... except Merle, maybe, and that would probably be to betray them.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
I could see the Doc doing it.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Well, if the two prisoners count as additions to the group, and if Carol shows back up, then they're actually still +1 baby over what they had when they ended last season.

I thought the bloated zombie was kind of goofy.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
It does seem goofy that Lori would have been completely consumed, bones and all. We have never seen that happen before. We've seen a score of zombies leave a character only half-eaten in the webisodes, so the idea that one zombie would devour a person from skull to toes (and her clothes too?) came out of nowhere to me.

If I hadn't been texting Dev, I would have totally missed that Lori was supposed to be completely eaten in that zombie's belly. I was half-suspecting zombie-Lori to turn a corner at any moment (with Carl having chickened out of putting her down).
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
I suppose theree is no saying that there may have indeed been other walkers around to help out, but that one just gorged himself.

I loved how in the Talking Dead it was mentioned that there was hair hanging around the Zeds mouth. Re-watching that scene...you can totally see it.

...and Lashie, I'm always there to help.
 

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Posted by Jerry on :
 
Come on, now. There is no way Carl would have chickened out. He's a shoot first and ask questions later kind of kid.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
I kind of expected Rick to dig something out of the zombies belly, like Lori's wedding ring or something.
 

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Posted by Jerry on :
 
That's so gross. You should see if you can get a job writing for the show!
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
Just read where they said Carols fate will be settled soon. All the characters on the show have assumed she was dead...who knows.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
Make way for Tyreese!! More than likely, anyway...


http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/11/15/the-walking-dead-tyreese-comic-exclusive/
 

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Posted by Power Boy on :
 
Started on season 3.

Damn. I forgot how smokin cute/hot Glen is.


what a cutie! Especially all dirty and sweaty.


 

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Posted by Power Boy on :
 
ok ... so episode 2 of season 3 is crazy ... crazy good ... best episode I have seen so far.

The series is starting to twist and turn from the book.

Series is finally starting to have the story shocks the book used to have.

I hate Carl's hat though.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
You ain't seen nothing yet.
 

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Posted by Power Boy on :
 
I am seeing a whole lot of crazy on episode three!

Click Here For A SpoilerThey just killed the army. didn't expect that. or Michonne killing her zombies with a quickness. much less some practice c section on a zombie.
 

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Posted by Power Boy on :
 
wait. what the junk ...

Click Here For A Spoilercreepy heads in fish tanks ending!
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
They're just gettin started.
 

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Posted by Power Boy on :
 
holy crapsnacks!

this is already the best season yet!

I may have to save this for a marathon event.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
Just about every episode this season has more happen in it than 3 or 5 episodes of the other 2 seasons.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
They really ramp things up in the next ep.!
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
At this point, if you aren't already watching THE WALKING DEAD, all I can say is...

I pity you. *dabs tears for all non-watchers*


And for you regular viewers--


Is it safe to assume that Michone has clinched not one-- BUT TWO OF THE BEST on-screen DEBUTS EVER???!?!

I mean, HOLY SHITSNACKS. For realz!

[ November 18, 2012, 11:55 PM: Message edited by: MLLASH ]
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
Another great episode amping up the tension.

P,lus,,,Click Here For A SpoilerCarol is safe!!! YAY!

As far as guesses for future stuff...

Click Here For A SpoilerI wonder if MAggir is going to take Michonnes place with the Governor?
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
I'm cringing, hoping that scene doesn't happen--with Merle or the Gov. I'm terrified for both of the two captured.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
ME TOO. Those scenes DO NOT NEED to happen EVER on the TV show!

But meanwhile, Michonne.. AKA the BEST THANG EVER... approaches the gate with the walkers, except all alive and shit!!!

I J'LOVE HER!
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Both her first and final appearances this ep were pretty awesome!
 

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Posted by Blacula on :
 
...

I started to write another long paragraph about my Michonne hate but deleted it - I'm clearly in the minority there and there's no point in sounding like a broken record about it. Suffice to say that she still just seems like such a focus-group-tested, artificial construction of what a 'bad-ass' TV character should be to me... but I am at least happy to see them introduce super-powers to The Walking Dead universe - because how else to explain her telepathic ability to instantly know that the Governor's people were bad and Rick's people more than likely good?

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Just caught up on the last three episodes and it will come as no surprise to anyone that I was sorry to see T-Dog go in the first one of them. What may surprise people is that I was also really sorry to see Lori go, as I'm one of the few who's been really enjoying her character (and the actress' performance) since the series began too, and defending her to all my friends who hate her. I was big-time surprised that she did die when she did though (I thought for sure she would be a lock until at least the end of the season) so, I guess, points to TWD for the surprise factor.

What was, of course, not a surprise and was instead just depressingly predictable was T-Dog's fate as soon as that other black male character got introduced! And to think that we were all joking that T-Dog's days were numbered the moment Tyreese showed up. Apparently all it takes to exceed the "black man quota" in genre television is to introduce some random background character!

As exciting as it is losing characters in this show, they really need to slow down for a bit IMO. I'm going to lose interest fast if it becomes too much like the comic where...

Click Here For A Spoiler all the interesting characters get killed off and it's pretty much just Michonne and Wonder Boy and his Dad left.

Other observations:

* I like how much more nuance they're giving the Governor in the show. In the comic, he was pretty much just a moustache-twirling super-villain, but here there's a lot more shades of grey. I'm getting a better sense of why he does what he does here than I did in the comic.
* If we had to lose someone, why couldn't it have been Carol? I find her character so boring for some reason. It might be the actress though. She annoyed me in The Mist too.
* I think Laurie Holden is doing a great job as Andrea this season. I loved the way she delivered some of her lines with Michonne a few episodes ago - the way she kind of tried to whinily guilt-trip Michonne into staying at Woodbury. I like that this is a character who thinks she's sort of got things figured but is actually able to make mistakes every now and then. UNLIKE A CERTAIN OTHER UBER BAD-ASS CHARACTER WHO CAN DO NO WRONG AND WHO SHALL REMAIN NAMELESS.
* I too totally thought Rick was gonna start searching through that zombie for Lori's wedding ring. It seemed weird that he didn't actually.
* I could not believe it when they introduced the "crazy phone" sub-plot but thank God it only lasted one episode instead of the 12 boring issues or whatever it lasted in the comic. Seriously, worst TWD comic sub-plot ever?
* I like what they're doing with Merle this season. He seemed way too stereotypical and over-the-top in the first season so it's great to see Michael Rooker being given some more levels to play with now.
* All in all, I'm still really enjoying this show. I love that they're still not afraid to depart from the comic's history - and I only hope they increase to do so in the future, since the post-prison storylines are when the book starts to fall off the rails for me.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
Not arguing Blacula, but just thought that I'd chime in on one part of your post. The only thing I can think of regarding Michonne trusting Ricks group as opposed to the Governors is that she did spend all those months alone with Andrea, who has told her a lot of what had happened to them. She said something to Michonne about her knowing all about Andrea, while she knew nothing about Michonne.

Not trying to change your mind about her, just something I thought of that may explain her trusting one over the other. Besides, maybe that's why one of those "too good to be true" people that find it hard to accept anything that seems that way.


 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
As to another point...I am also loving the character of the Governor on the show. You hit the nail on the head between the comic version and the television version. I am really looking forward to the stuff to come.
 

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Posted by Power Boy on :
 
This show has gotten so much better IMO.

so much better!!! It is like its own entity with the correct spirit of the book intact.

Instead of some mishmash of the books plots into a full on drama tv show. It didn't have the same effect or output.

Rick is my least favorite in and out of the comic still. I don't appreciate the overacting of the tv Rick. which is one big reason I didnt like the first and second seasons ... too much over acting ... the quavering voices ... the shouting ... the misty eyes ... jeez. thats been toned down a lot the season and made up for with action.

now I feel like it has that unending dread (if not the amount of depression) of the comic book,(the message of the comic) but with different details that cater to an entertaining action packed tv format with.

can't wait for Michonne to stick around and Tyrese to appear.
 

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I'm cringing, hoping that scene doesn't happen--with Merle or the Gov. I'm terrified for both of the two captured.

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ME TOO. Those scenes DO NOT NEED to happen EVER on the TV show!

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I don't remember a phone call, maybe its past where I read.

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The phonecall subplot was one of my lesser favorites of the comic, so of course they couldn't wait to throw that in.

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I'm pretty sure the phone call must have been past where I read as well, but I have to say, I found it incredibly annoying. I hope it is actually done with this episode.
 

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Posted by Power Boy on :
 
I thought they were going to change it up and have the phone call be from someone else ... and leave us guessing as to whether they were real or not ...

Click Here For A Spoiler I thought it would be the people from the "utopian" safe village they find after the prison ... where they are now in the books.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
The phone calls happened starting around issue 50, give or take an issue or two.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
Nerves totes shot all during this episode. Not sure I will even be able to handle next week's...
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Nerve racking beyond belief and I'm so relieved with what didn't happen. Still incredibly effective--both Maggie's ordeal and Glenn with the walker.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
Glen is a total bad ass. Just sayin.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
Yeah, Glenn's sequence with the walker was AWESOME! I bet that was hard to choreograph!

This season continues to rock HARD!
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
I can't believe they're doing the split season thing again. GAH!
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 

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I can't believe they're doing the split season thing again. GAH!

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Hey, at least they didn't end the fall portion with THIS episode! It seems like we'll get a degree of immediate resolution with episode eight in terms of: "Will Maggie and Glenn be saved", etc.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
One positive...there will be a new cast member as of next week.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
I'm thinking split seasons are the new normal.

I kind of like them because they shorten the previously MURDEROUS wait between seasons, like we had with 1 and 2.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
I may have to watch next week's episode totally pickled... (I was pickled watching TWD last week, in case you couldn't tell from my posts) I'm not sure my nerves can take it otherwise. But when I'm pickled, I miss things. Damn these modern problems!!!
 

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Posted by Power Boy on :
 
That muthersprocking general had better be nicer to my Glen and Maggie ... Peebs is about ready to go bust a megarod over his head.

"This is how we do things on Apokolips!"

Click Here For A Spoiler GLEN! NOT THE FACE NOT THE FACE.

"oh no that general didn't."
 

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I can't believe they're doing the split season thing again. GAH!

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Hey, at least they didn't end the fall portion with THIS episode! It seems like we'll get a degree of immediate resolution with episode eight in terms of: "Will Maggie and Glenn be saved", etc.

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I was actually bummed when this episode ended ... I was like "what, wait, its just getting good!" and then creepy clifhanger ... at least we'll get an episode next week before the split.

Click Here For A Spoiler Andrea is so gonna shot that general up ... and his creepy pit bull with one arm (or maybe that will be Michonne ... cage match beyotch!

this season so ROCKS HARD.
 

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Originally posted by MLLASH:
I may have to watch next week's episode totally pickled... (I was pickled watching TWD last week, in case you couldn't tell from my posts) I'm not sure my nerves can take it otherwise. But when I'm pickled, I miss things. Damn these modern problems!!!

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I was nervous as well ... Click Here For A Spoilerin both torture scenes

well at least for now the show seems to draw the line with itself on the "action movie" side rather than on the "saw torture movie" side of the line. I have different limits for what I can handle in a comic book and a tv show. In a tv show I can usually handle more gore ... but not if the acting is good ... then its even worse than a comic book (which is a pretty immersive experience for me) ... like season one of American Horror Story just wasn't campy enough for me ... that trauma was too believable! I don't need that in my little power brain!
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
Soooo looking forward to the episode this week, but sad that we have no new shows after that for a while. Sunday nights will be boring.
 

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Guess its back to porn and comics.
 

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Posted by Jerry on :
 
Cobie's a glass half full kind of guy!
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
And I've had many a full glass tonight!
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
Well...that was a great mid season finale. Lots happened and lots more set up.

Did not see the one part of the ending coming though, although I knew the Gov was upset with Merle.
 

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Posted by Jerry on :
 
So much good and downright creepy stuff packed into one episode. I can't decide who is the biggest bad ass:

1) Glenn,
2) Michonne, or
3) Carl.

Three way tie, perhaps. Carol's "I am not a lesbian" scene was priceless.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
I am starting to give Carl an edge in that category right now. Just cause you can tell he is still a little freaked, but he still just keeps going.

I loved the scene with Carol.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
Carl is now awesome. So much better than his borderline insufferable comicbook counterpart, and SO much better than he was in Seasons 1 and 2!

Carol stole the show with her brief scene. I've really wanted her character to get it together, I've always kinda-sorta liked her but then she'd do something I didn't like. So far this season she seems to have it together.

Tyreese is JUST as awesome as I'd hoped he'd be.

A great half-season and a thrilling minseason finale.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
I really liked Tyrese. Good intro to the character. Just wish they had not been predictable with what happened with the 4 that went to Woodbury.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
Yeah, I didn't say it here but I knew last week that character wouldn't make it out of Woodbury.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Yeah, it was pretty much a given that Click Here For A SpoilerTransitional Black Guy wouldn't make it out alive.

Re: the ending, I'm wondering if it isn't a setup so that Merle can escape with Daryl, thus being the Governor's "inside man" at the prison.

I didn't quite get Michonne's motivations for waiting for the Governor.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
Kirkman says in his aftershow interview on EW.com that Michonne's motive was pure revenge. Governor said she could go, she is released, then he sends Merle after her. Ain't nobody got time for Merle.
 

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I love the Walking Dead.
 

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Carl is now ... [so] much better than his borderline insufferable comicbook counterpart.

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TOTAL AGREEMENT! As anyone who's read my posts in the comic thread knows, Carl is the one comic character I hate more than Michonne. But I'm really liking the job that the writers have been doing on him here.

Everyone (not necessarily here at Legion World) bags on season 2 of this show but that is where pretty much ALL of the character development that this season is using for fuel occurred. Carl's journey toward competent "man"-in-charge this season wouldn't be anywhere near as interesting if he hadn't spent most of last season being such a twerp.

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I really liked Tyrese. Good intro to the character. Just wish they had not been predictable with what happened with the 4 that went to Woodbury.

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AMEN! EDE's description of Oscar as 'transitional black guy' was spot-on. Him and poor, much-missed T-Dog's sole role on this show was to be "the black guy". Great for adding a bit of colour to a group scene but God forbid they get any character development beyond one line; or that more than one of them appear in the cast at the same time. It's such a tired and bullshit cliche in genre television and you'd expect writers in 2013 to be very cognizant and wary of it, but nope - not TWD writers.

Let's see what they do with Tyreese now though. He's obviously going to be a bigger character than T-Dog or Oscar were by virtue of his being a fan-favourite from the comics and the fact that they've gotten a fairly well-reputed actor to play him. For his sake, let's hope our heroes stick to isolated rural backroads from now on, lest they accidentally run into any more living black guys and thus exceed the quota.

The last two episodes were fun otherwise though. This show is certainly moving fast this season.

I kinda thought the mid-season cliff-hanger could have been a LOT more cliff-hangery though. For a scene showing the first meeting of Merle and Daryl in two seasons it had like, zero emotion; and there was also zero tension in it for anyone who has ever read a comic or even watched a thriller TV show before. It was definitley NO "Sophia coming out of the barn", let's just put it that way.

P.S. Did anyone catch the names of Tyreese's crew? Donna, Allen and Ben. I am really not liking this re-imagining of that family. I liked them in the comics and since this TV lot are clearly a million miles from what they were, they should have renamed them IMO.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
Thanks Blacula. I thought that was the names they used...but wasn't sure. Ah well, maybe it's just a wink and nod to the fans of the book.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
I'm now wondering if the Tyrese daughter/boyfriend plot will be transferred to either Ben/Sasha or Ben/Beth.
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
I don't see much of a point... wasn't that the point in the comic Click Here For A Spoilerwhere we learned they come back even if not bitten? That's already established TV-wise.
 

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Posted by Dev - Em on :
 
I think POV has a point. Although, the drama of that situation is something that has not really been touched on except very loosely , very loosely; and that was even in passing.

I think it could be used for a different impact in the show...
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
The family would have been nicer and more obvious (I did not catch it) if Ben had a twin and they were closer to Carl's age. I'm just seeing them all (with the exception of Tyreese) as fodder for the Prison/Woodbury battle at this point.
 

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Posted by Power Boy on :
 
A great episode ... Although I didn't like how everything needs to end in a cliffhanger now ... happens all across the AMC, HBO, SHO spectrum.

I'd prefer if writer's just wrote it up balls out. Seems similar to the DC stuff where they tease out a story across many many comics.

However, I really liked the episode. LOVED in fact.


I actually was watching it alone ... when Click Here For A Spoiler During the Michonne and Governor fight ... I screamed "KILL HIM! KILL HIM! Quick!" when Michonne finally got the upper hand.

Oh MY ....


and then the writer's saved him.

Click Here For A Spoilerdumb Andrea showed up. When is she gonna shoot these people dead??? and she was missing all kinds of shots during the smoke screen battle ... which came off a bit silly ... like 6 year olds role play ... "I've got a smokescreen you can't hit me!" "force field" "oh yeah well your bullets bounce back at you!".

This Andrea is so not as cool as the quiet dependable Andrea from the books. Yet she's a good actress and its making the show more interesting I guess.

I am enjoying Carl as well, much better than perpetual disturbed child of the books.

Even though I loved the episode, I was hoping for more of an unrealistic smack down ... instead of a give and take ...

At least my cutie Glen is safe. Actually, seems like there sure are some safe characters in the tv show.
 

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Posted by Power Boy on :
 
I'm really glad the show has found its identity as clearly an *action* show. It couldn't match the horror of the book. (for lots of reasons) and ... the over acting in the previous seasons made me want to vomit.

I wonder how the changing genres relates to the books changing genres ... and how to keep a certain segment of fans ... across genre transitions.

Click Here For A Spoiler especially after the prison when they end up in the stepford village ... which was pretty boring ... I suspect unsuccessful ... at least to me it seemed like they thought the lord of the flies premise was interesting but couldn't figure out where to go with it. and then the book has recently gone back to action and horror again.
 

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Posted by Power Boy on :
 
Again, I'm really enjoying the tv show's departure from the books ver batim ... and just trying to create a sense of what the books portrayed while adapting into a new medium and audience.
 

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Posted by rickshaw1 on :
 
Well,Carol, who loves the show, asked me to take her to the comic book store saturday. I did. She bought the first three tpb's. Now she's hooked on the books. Until caught up, I'll be buying one a week for her.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
And a new convert! Love that TWD is making new comic fans.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Btw, finally saw latest ep last night. Been a busy week moving.

Loved it.

Like others have said, Carl is so much better on the show. He really stands out. A lot has to do with the fantastic actor playing him--who lends a genuine vulnerability that makes the character feel more real, and all his mad ass moments more honest and earned.

Carol also is so much better than in the comics. I found her whiney there where here she comes off as strong and dependable. Loved her seen with Axel.

My boy Tyrese finally showed up! And we'll done too.

I also like how Rick and company are still super apprehensive towards Michonne...as they should be.

Lastly, my favorites on the show are clearly Glenn and Maggie. To me Maggie is "thee" breakout character on the show. I'm in awe of her and in love with her. Meanwhile, Glenn has always been a favorite in the comic; here he's all the good things plus a badass and romantic leading man. The actors of both these roles are just fantastic.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Oh, and I love Beth. I definitely was glad when Carol got all protective over her. Her character clicked for me earlier this season when she was singing. She's definitely got a pure beauty about her that makes me feel all fatherly...(...and old because of that).
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 

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Originally posted by rickshaw1:
Well,Carol, who loves the show, asked me to take her to the comic book store saturday. I did. She bought the first three tpb's. Now she's hooked on the books. Until caught up, I'll be buying one a week for her.

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LOVE IT!!!!
 

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Posted by Power Boy on :
 
She's going to love it! Until issue 100.
 

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Posted by rickshaw1 on :
 
Shhh, don't spoil it. Just kidding. I don't follow it. Carol's the one that gets into all the horror and disaster movies. And if there's one with Aaron Eckhart in it, she's there.
 

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