In 2004 around election time I was hanging out with some friends. This beautiful girl who lives in a rural area told us her church said if Kerry becomes President it will trigger the apocalypse. This girl and her husband truly believed this.
Pretty backwards, huh? Well then this last weekend again...a friend of a friend who lives in a rural area told me Barrack Obama is actually related to Osama Bin laden and he is trying to hide it. His mom heard this at her church and believes it.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME???? I don't vote by party. I am an independent and have favorites on both sides. Sadly my favorites on one side are front runners (Guliani & McCain) while Bill Richardson and Joseph Biden (both i love) don't have a chance.
My hippy friends who were too busy smoking pot to get an education but are really nice loving people...say the President of Iran is a great man and George Bush is trying to murder him. *sigh*
How do people get manipulated so?
[ June 26, 2007, 02:04 PM: Message edited by: Ultra Jorge ]
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
This kind of thing has gone on for ages, unfortunately. I remember that my grandmother had heard from someone back in '92 that Ross Perot had a plan to "kill all of the old people".
Posted by Tamper Lad on :
I'm sure that the AARP actually equates the deindexing of Social Security COLAs to the rate of inflation to a life and death struggle EDE, so I believe your grandmother's friend was correct.
Posted by Ultra Jorge on :
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: This kind of thing has gone on for ages, unfortunately. I remember that my grandmother had heard from someone back in '92 that Ross Perot had a plan to "kill all of the old people".
Wow, Eat it Grandpa taking it to a whole new level! Should Ross Perot be the new RJ Brande?
I just find it crazy this stuff still happens. You are right EDE I shouldn't be suprised.
Posted by He Who Wanders on :
As P.T. Barnum may or may not have said, "There's a sucker born every minute."
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
People like this make me consider betraying the human race to an evil invading alien race, should such an alien race ever visit Earth!
Posted by Pov on :
CoBaltar...? Posted by Blockade Boy on :
quote:Originally posted by Ultra Jorge: In 2004 ... This beautiful girl who lives in a rural area told us her church said if Kerry becomes President it will trigger the apocalypse.
Now what's being "beautiful" have to do with it? Or "rural" for that matter? Guess we all can be fooled some of the time
Besides... there's no proof that it wouldn't have happened. I know if Doukakis had gotten elected I already had planned my final night of debaucherie.
Posted by Kid Prime on :
quote:Originally posted by Pov: CoBaltar...?
If it meant he got to have hot head sex with Chip Six every night, yeah, I'm pretty sure he would. Posted by Ultra Jorge on :
Well the beautiful part...was a compliment. she's one of the most beautiful women i've seen. it's a shame she's so dumb.
Jessica Simpson says Obama is really Osama who cleaned himself up. That is whey they can't find him in Pakistan.
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Hm. Blockade Boy brings up a good point. For all we know, the apocolypse has been averted countless times. There could be one this election year, and I'm not sure if anything important offices are even up for election!
Posted by He Who Wanders on :
See, I think the apocalypse has already happened. That's why the news is so full of Rosie O'Donnell and Paris Hilton -- because everything that's important has already passed away.
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
I wished the televised it. Between that and the revolution, TV has missed some huge opportunities.
Posted by He Who Wanders on :
Anna Nicole Smith must have died that week.
Posted by Ultra Jorge on :
Speaking of politics...immigration.
You think the politicians (from both sides) want more immigrants so there is a larger pool of poor people to manipulate?
Posted by Blockade Boy on :
Has either side of the aisle stated they want an increase in immigrants or are you refering to the debate of how to deal with the "undocumented" workers?
The poor are the least educated. Undocumented workers are mostly both, but I don't think either side wins points with the majority of citizens in fast tracking citizenship. The liberals will alienate blacks, who see hispanics as a danger to their politcal power as the major minority, heh. However, where can they go? Not going to be a major migration of African-American votes over to the Pubs.
The Pubs on the other hand win almost nothing by fast tracking citizenship, unless they happen to be a pub living in the counties that would gain the HUGE influx of votes.
A population of 10 million new citizens, mostly not inculcated. Just a small change in demographic in a community can change that community's politics. A small change in a state's demographics can send the whole kit and caboodle of electoral college votes a completely different way!
Poor tend to vote democratic. The democrats have had the majority like forever yet can't win elections. They are begging for this influx. It won't cost them the African-American vote, yet will buy them Florida, California, and probably Texas is every federal vote and possibly even state.
Posted by Ultra Jorge on :
I was referring to the undocumented workers. Personally I think it should all be legal. I am the son of immigrants and they came over legally. My family integrated and became citizens.
I am suspicious why Bush wants these immigrants. I can guess the democrats want more vote. (though hispanics while poor also are conservatives due to things like religion, etc.)
Posted by Kid Charlemagne on :
I can explain why Cheney, er, Dubya is President:
The Apocalypse already happened; we're all dead, and this is Hell.
Although I also keep checking the walls, expecting to see those Earth-and-sword symbols sprout on them at any minute [Mmmm--Evil Hoshi] Posted by Star Boy on :
quote:Originally posted by Ultra Jorge: I was referring to the undocumented workers. Personally I think it should all be legal. I am the son of immigrants and they came over legally. My family integrated and became citizens.
I am suspicious why Bush wants these immigrants. I can guess the democrats want more vote. (though hispanics while poor also are conservatives due to things like religion, etc.)
I always thought it was pretty simple. You get a huge slave workforce of powerless and marginalised immigrants who recieve no voting rights, adequate social services, or other basic human rights. So you get the job done so your valuable and precious citizens don't get their nails broken, and don't waste money on social services for those 'dirty foreigners'.
And that's the (Insert Western Nation here) Way. Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
Blockade's scenario ignores the fact that the electoral college has been replaced by institutionalized fraud, so voter will is irrelevant.
Posted by Ultra Jorge on :
Star Boy, that is what I thought.
Bush also wants to help the poor people of India by giving them more jobs. Yet it seems to help American rich guys. Posted by Reboot on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: People like this make me consider betraying the human race to an evil invading alien race, should such an alien race ever visit Earth!
The moment Our Robot Superiors rise up, I'm selling out...
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Bah! You can keep your aliens and robots, I'm betraying you guys to the underground lizard people!
Posted by He Who Wanders on :
Underground lizard people? Don't be silly! I'm waiting for the Second Coming ... of Elvis!
Elvis will put GWB in Heartbreak Hotel.
Elvis will make VP Cheney do the Jailhouse Rock.
Elvis will quell all the Suspicious Minds and love them tender. Elvis will mark all the nasty newspapers "Return to Sender."
Elvis will clean up the problems In the Ghetto. Elvis will exercise his power of veto. Elvis will appoint as ambassador Danny DeVito.
Elvis is everywhere!
(Hey, they don't call him the King for nothin'.)
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
quote:Originally posted by Ultra Jorge: I was referring to the undocumented workers. Personally I think it should all be legal. I am the son of immigrants and they came over legally. My family integrated and became citizens.
I think what bugs me the most about the current state of the debate is that a lot of Americans aren't really differentiating between legal and illegal immigration. They're just "anti-immigrants".
I think a lot of problems would be solved if we made legal immigration less of a hassle. As far as I'm concerned, the freer the migration of people, the better.
Posted by Blockade Boy on :
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester:
quote:Originally posted by Ultra Jorge: I was referring to the undocumented workers. Personally I think it should all be legal. I am the son of immigrants and they came over legally. My family integrated and became citizens.
I think what bugs me the most about the current state of the debate is that a lot of Americans aren't really differentiating between legal and illegal immigration. They're just "anti-immigrants".
In a country of 250 mill, any opinion is supported by "a lot" but by the percentages, I just do not get the feeling there is a high percentage of people wanting to close the borders. No stats, surveys or figures to back up my statement. I'm just stating my thin slice-of-life exposure as a white-collar living and working in low income entry-point neighborhood.
I feel that most just want some order to things. They want laws followed. There is concern (mostly unfounded I believe) of loss of middle income jobs to undocumented and only somewhat to legal immigrants. There are concerns (IMO justified) about high rates of immigration. "Anti-immigration" as in "close-the-borders?" I still feel that is the anecdote, not the trend.
I do know of debate on whether in the present, liberal immigration policies would actually be more harmful both to the US as well the source countries.
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: [QUOTE]I think a lot of problems would be solved if we made legal immigration less of a hassle. As far as I'm concerned, the freer the migration of people, the better.
Diamond in "Guns, Germs and Steel," a popular treatise describing the wherefores and whatnots of why certain areas of the world developed moreso than others makes a good case that the reason behind US strength isn't because of superior culture but because of superior natural resource to population ratio. The US has also benefitted much by the skills it imports.
Our present declining resource to population ratio and economics have to be considered in this argument don't they? 250 million people with dwindling resources versus 100 million and more natural resources than we knew what to do with (WWI and WWII eras), can we hold they same policy on immigration?
If the goal is third world development, does it make sense to make an easy road to citizenship for those who state they come here to earn money to send home, where it has higher buying power?
Should we continually import the best and the brightest of the third-world and retain them here or should we make more educational resources available to present citizens and educate third-world citizens and send them home where they can do the more good?
If we fast track citizenship then isn't it likely to curtail the income sent to the home country and also remove a source of lower income labor that keeps our prices down? Wouldn't we then import more guest workers to replace those we made citizen, only to have the new guest workers also insist on citizenship? What a cycle?
The need IMO is to fast track documentation, not citizenship. This permits those that are here illegally to get a free pass this time and opportunity to go home legally.
[ July 15, 2007, 01:43 PM: Message edited by: Blockade Boy ]
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