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Originally posted by DrakeB3004:
FIRESTORM (Ronnie Raymond - since you seem to be going all the way back to "Identity Crisis")

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Originally posted by DrakeB3004:
FIRESTORM (Ronnie Raymond - since you seem to be going all the way back to "Identity Crisis")

ROCKET RED (Dmitri-something) Died fighting a bunch of OMAC's

several MANHUNTERs (killed by Manhunter Mark Shaw)

FIREFLY (killed by an OMAC)

FASTBALL (killed by an OMAC)

THE WRECKING CREW (most or all killed by OMACs)

(who was that villain with the j'ai alai thing on his arm? He was killed by an OMAC too)

CHESHIRE (killed by Deathstroke)

PARADEMON (blown up)

note: there was a bloodbath in Villains United #7, but I only listed the confirmed kills.

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Originally posted by DrakeB3004:
FIRESTORM (Ronnie Raymond - since you seem to be going all the way back to "Identity Crisis")

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I thought I should, since one story seems to be spin directly out of events of the other, and, I think, DC has been marketing them as thematically linked.

But I can drop the Identity Crisis stuff if a majority seem to feel it does not belong.

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Originally posted by Portfolio Boy:
Are all these save Firestorm from VU #[6]?

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Originally posted by DrakeB3004:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Portfolio Boy:
[qb]The various Manhunters were killed in "Manhunter" over the last several months.

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Originally posted by RTVU2:

Golden Eagle Charley Parker has also returned.

I think the Queen Been also bit it in Firestorm.

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Originally posted by Portfolio Boy:

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Originally posted by DrakeB3004:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Portfolio Boy:
[qb]The various Manhunters were killed in "Manhunter" over the last several months.

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Do we consdier these deaths to be Identity Crisis/Infinite Crisis related?

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Originally posted by Portfolio Boy:

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Originally posted by DrakeB3004:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Portfolio Boy:
[qb]The various Manhunters were killed in "Manhunter" over the last several months.

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Do we consdier these deaths to be Identity Crisis/Infinite Crisis related?

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I missed the issue that explained it all, but it did tie into OMAC and the nannites and stuff somehow (Mark Shaw was infected and controlled by them).

[ October 13, 2005, 09:25 PM: Message edited by: DrakeB3004 ]
 

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Posted by Nightcrawler on :
 
PHANTOM LADY's real name is Delilah (Dee) Tyler.

It's DOCTOR POLARIS and he's the original.
 

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Posted by legionadventureman on :
 
What was Dee's connection to Rex Tyler and to Sandra Knight (if any)?
 

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Posted by Portfolio Boy on :
 
So, anyone have a list of which Manhunters were killed, how they died, and the issue number(s) they bought it in?
 

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Posted by Jorg-EM on :
 
Who the heck is Rat Catcher???
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
RatCatcher is Batman's foe (and then Robin's foe) during No Man's Land, as if I recall correctly. He's like a Pied Piper...on a bad side.
 

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Posted by Lightning Lad on :
 
First Appearance: Detective Comics #585 (April 1988)

A former rat catcher for the Gotham Sanitation Department, Otis Flannegan spent a decade in jail following a violent street brawl. On his release, he captured various officials connected with his jail sentence and held them in the sewer system. He was discovered five years later by the police and the Batman, who, after encountering Flannegan's army of rats, was able to save some of Flannegan's prisoners. The Ratcatcher is a disturbed man who has been incarcerated in Arkham Asylum. Most recently, he appeared in Metropolis, attacking friends of Clark Kent.
 

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Posted by legionadventureman on :
 
He must be a relatively new addition, i didnt see his entry in any of the later post-CRISIS Who's Whos...
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
actually he appeared in who's who 3-hole pages...you know? the one that you get to insert the who's who page into the binder?
 

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Posted by legionadventureman on :
 
I do, thanks Superboy...My memory's not as good as it was, tho...
 

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Posted by Jorg-EM on :
 
Darn, I have most Detective Comics from that time period. I haven't read my Batman comics...well since then. Thanks guys. I probably have that issue.
 

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Posted by Doc Nimbus on :
 
Booster Gold's real name is Michael Carter.

Damage's real name is Grant Emerson.

Fire's full name is Beatriz Da Costa.

Dr. Light II name is Dr. Kimyo Hoshi.

Robin II is now known as the Red Hood II. (The first Red Hood was ironically, the Joker)

Firestorm was impaled using the Shining Knight's sword... but I don't remember how that happened. I'm thinking it was in IC#6

[ October 14, 2005, 06:04 AM: Message edited by: Doc Nimbus ]
 

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Posted by Nightcrawler on :
 
DEAD HEROES
BLACK CONDOR II (Unknown) (Blasted through chest by Sinestro in Infinite Crisis (IC) #1)
BLUE BEETLE II (Ted Kord) (Shot in the head by Maxwell Lord in Countdown to Infinite Crisis (C2IC) #1)
FIRESTORM (Ronnie Raymond) (Stabbed by Shadow-Thief with the Shining Knight’s sword, flies into upper atmosphere and explodes in Identity Crisis #5)
HAWKWOMAN (Shayera Thal) (Killed by an energy blast from Blackfire in Rann-Thanagar War (RTW) #5)
HUMAN BOMB (Roy Lincoln) (Bludgeoned to death by Bizarro in IC #1)
PARIAH (Kell) (Shot by Lex Luthor in Villians United (VU) #6)
PHANTOM LADY II (Delilah "Dee" Tyler) (Skewered through chest by Deathstroke in IC #1)
SHAZAM (aka the Wizard) (Killed by the Spectre in Days of Vengeance (DOV) #6)
ROCKET RED (Dmitri Dmitriyevich Puskin) (Blows himself up to destroy three OMACs. - THE OMAC PROJECT #5)
DARKSTARS (Ferrin Colos, Munchukk, and Chaser Bron) (All killed by the Starbreaker – ADAM STRANGE #8)
SPARTA (None) (Killed in battle. – DC SPECIAL: THE RETURN OF DONNA TROY #1)
MANHUNTER (Dan Richards) (Hung by Dumas [Mark Shaw controlled by OMAC] . – MANHUNTER #8)
MANHUNTER (Chase Lawler) (Throat cut by Dumas [Mark Shaw controlled by OMAC]. – MANHUNTER #10)
MANHUNTER (Kirk DePaul) (Head cut off by Dumas [Mark Shaw controlled by OMAC]. – MANHUNTER #11)
INDIGO (Brainiac 8.0) (Mercifully killed by Shift – OUTSIDERS #25)


DEAD VILLIANS
CAPTAIN BOOMERANG (George “Digger” Harkness) (Shot by Jack Drake, father of Robin III, in Identity Crisis #5)
CRIME DOCTOR (Dr. Bradford Thorne) (Beaten to death by Catman in VU #3)
DOCTOR POLARIS (Dr. Neal Emerson) (Blown up by Human Bomb in IC #1)
FASTBALL (John Malone) (Neck broken by an OMAC. – THE OMAC PROJECT #6)
FIREFLY II (Garfield Lyons) (Burned to death by an OMAC. – THE OMAC PROJECT #6)
THE FIDDLER (Isaac Bowin) (Shot by Deadshot in VU #1)
HYENA II (Jivan Shi) (Shot by Deadshot in VU #3)
MAXWELL LORD (Neck broken by Wonder Woman. – WONDER WOMAN #219)
OVERTHROW (Arnold Daniel Beck) (sliced in half by OMAC. – THE OMAC PROJECT #2)
PARADEMON (name?) (Blew himself up in VU #6)
QUEEN BEE II (Zazzala) (Arm blown off in VU #5, Killed in an explosion. – FIRESTORM #17)
RATCATCHER (Otis Flannegan) (Vaporized by an OMAC in IC #1)
DEMOLITION TEAM (Rosie, Hardhat, Jackhammer, Scoopshovel, & Steamroller) (Killed by OMAC. – THE OMAC PROJECT #6)
BRAINIAC 8.0 (Indigo – Outsiders) (Mercifully killed by Shift – OUTSIDERS #25)
ATOMIC SKULL (Joeseph Martin) (Shot in head by Soldier of Maximum and exploded. SUPERMAN/BATMAN #21)
PARASITE (Alex Allston) (Neutralized by an OMAC [Superman declares him dead] in ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN #641)
POISON IVY (Pamela Isley) (Died attempting to restore her plant powers. Tombstone shown. - BATMAN: GOTHAM KNIGHTS #65)
FLORONIC MAN (Jason Woodrue) (Shot in the forehead. - BATMAN: GOTHAM KNIGHTS #65)
BLACK BISON (John Ravenhair) (Killed by the Spectre. – DAY OF VENGEANCE #1)
HYPERION (Consumed by a Sun-Eater. - DC SPECIAL: THE RETURN OF DONNA TROY #4[/I])
THIA (Consumed by a Sun-Eater. - DC SPECIAL: THE RETURN OF DONNA TROY #4[/I])
SYONIDE (Unknown)(Killed in an explosion. – FIRESTORM #17)
PARASITE (Alexandra Allston)(Killed in an explosion. – FIRESTORM #17)
MONOCLE (Jonathan Cheval) (Manhunter throws arrow into his monocle blowing his head off. – MANHUNTER #9)


DEAD CIVILIANS
SUE DIBNEY (Killed by Jean Loring in IDC #1, who takes ones of the Atom's pwer belts and tromps around inside Sue's brain in an attempt to make the Atom fall back in love with her.)
JACK DRAKE (Father of Robin III, stabbed through heart by Captain Boomerang in IDC #?)


STATUS UNKNOWN
THE ATOM II (Ray Palmer) (Disappears after IDC #7)
BOOSTER GOLD (Michael Carter) (Retires following C2IC #1)
CHESHIRE (Jade) (Shot by Deathstroke in VU #6, unconfirmed if killed)
DAMAGE (Grant Emerson) (Pummeled and blown up by Zoom in IC #1, but comments by Dan Didio indicate will not die)
DR. LIGHT II (Dr. Kimiyo Hoshi) (Powers stripped of her and left in critical condition by Dr. Light I. – GREEN ARROW #54)
ECLIPSO III (Jean Loring) (transported to the orbit of the Sun by Nightshade in DOV #6, unknown if perished.)
FIRE (Beatriz "Bea" Bonilla Da Costa) (back blasted off by OMAC. – THE OMAC PROJECT #5)
MARTAIN MANHUNTER (J'Onn J'Onzz) (Apparently in JLA Watchtower when it was blown up in ?. JLA #120 intimates that he now exists in an incorperal form.)
RAGDOLL (Peter Merkel) (Appears to have been killed by Parademon in VU #6)
SCARECROW (Jonathon Crane) (Appears to have been killed by Parademon in VU#6)
UNCLE SAM (no other name) (gang beaten by the Secret Society in IC #1, but supposedly immortal status leaves actual death in question.)
SUPERMEN OF AMERICA (Brahma, Outburst, Loser, White Lotus, & Pyrogen) (Listed at being 67.89% terminated by OMACs. – THE OMAC PROJECT #6)
ERADICATOR (Dr. David Connor) (Put in coma and maybe even dying by OMAC. SUPERMAN #220]
BUG (Bernard “Barney” Bonner) (Fate unknown. Shown slumped over with Deathstroke in room. – VILLAINS UNITED #1)
BYTE (Blythe Bonner) (Fate unknown. Knife to throat by Deathstroke. – VILLAINS UNITED #1)
AURA (Lindsay Wah – SUPERBOY & THE RAVERS) (Repulse, a figment of Dr. Polaris’ imagination and fragmented mind in the form of his abusive aunt, crashes a helicopter on top of her. Dr. Polaris later says “She [Repulse] nearly Killed Aura.” – ACTION COMICS #827)
SATANUS (Colin Thorton) (Unknown. Spectre claims him. Superman doesn’t know his fate and doesn’t want to know it. – ACTION COMICS #832)
GEIST (Unknown) (Crushed to death by Koryak after turning into an OMAC? – AQUAMAN #35)


TRANSFORMED HEROES
ROBIN II (Jason Todd) (Revealed to be the villian named ? in Bat-book #?)
POWER GIRL (Karen Starr) (Origin thrown into doubt by events of JSA:Classified (JSAC) #1-4)
TROIA (Donna Troy) (Given Habinger's Orb and knowledge of the multiverse, including all of her incanations, some of which explain her various past suposed origins. Revealed that in her one of her Earth-7 Dark Angel form, she was a Harbinger for the Monitor.)
MADAME XANADU (No Alias) (Blinded by the Spectre. – DAY OF VENGEANCE #2)

TRANSFORMED VILLIANS
MAXWELL LORD (Retconned in IDC #1 to have never been a Cyborg.)
CAPTAIN NAZI (Albrecht Krieger) (Possibly blinded by Catman. – VILLAINS UNITED #3)
FATALITY (Yrra Cynril) (Right ear chewed off by Scandal. – VILLAINS UNITED #3)
MONSIEUR MALLAH (Right ear cut off by Cheshire. – VILLAINS UNITED #4)


TRANSFORMED CIVILIANS
JEAN LORING (Goes insane in IDI #1-7 and becomes Eclipso III in JSA #?)


HEROES REBORN/RETURNED
ALEXANDER LUTHOR (of Earth-3) (Returns from Limbo in IC #1)
TROIA (Donna Troy) (Revealed to have been wisked to New Chonos before supposed death in DC Special: The Return of Donna Troy (RDT) #1
LOIS LANE (of Earth-2) (Returns from Limbo in IC #1)
ROBIN II (Jason Todd) (Revealed to be alive as the villian named Red Hood II in BATMAN #641)
SUPERBOY (Kal-El of Earth-Prime) (Returns from Limbo in IC #1)
SUPERGIRL (Kara Zor-El) (Character reintroduced into current DCU in Superman/Batman (S/B #13)
SUPERMAN (Kal-L of Earth-2) (Returns from Limbo in IC #1)


NEW VILLIANS
CAPTAIN BOOMERANG II (Owen Mercer) (The son of Captain Boomerang and Meloni Thawne, introduced in IDC#1 and takes on the villianous mantle of his father in IDC #7)

[EDIT: Sorry, just saw Doc Nimbus' post above. I was composing this when it was made.]

[ October 14, 2005, 06:57 AM: Message edited by: Nightcrawler ]
 

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Posted by Portfolio Boy on :
 
Updated 1st post. Thanks to all!
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
thought that Black Condor's real name is Ryan Kendall, correct?
 

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Posted by Nightcrawler on :
 

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Originally posted by superboymddjr:
thought that Black Condor's real name is Ryan Kendall, correct?

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Originally posted by Lightning Lad:
The Unofficial Guide to the DCU lists it as Ryan Kendall.

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Of those who died, I was most disappoined about the Black Condor. I actually liked his series.
 

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Posted by Nightcrawler on :
 
I screwed up with SUPERGIRL first appears in SUPERMAN/BATMAN #8, but becomes Supergirl in #13. And Red Hood is revealed as Jason Todd in BATMAN #638.

Heatwave and Trickster are back to being bad guys.

Ronnie Raymond briefly became a disembodied spirit helping Jason Rusch until finally fading into oblivion in FIRESTORM #13.

And here are the SEVEN SOLDIERS' deaths -

VIGILANTE I (Greg Saunders) (Slaughtered by the Sheeda. - SEVEN SOLDIERS #0)
WHIP II (Shelly Gaynor) (Slaughtered by the Sheeda. - SEVEN SOLDIERS #0)
GIMMIX (Jacqueline Pemberton) (Slaughtered by the Sheeda. - SEVEN SOLDIERS #0)
BOY BLUE (Unknown) (Slaughtered by the Sheeda. - SEVEN SOLDIERS #0)
DYNO-MITE DAN (Unknown) (Slaughtered by the Sheeda. - SEVEN SOLDIERS #0)
I, SPYDER (Thomas Ludlow Dalt) (Slaughtered by the Sheeda. - SEVEN SOLDIERS #0)
TIMOTHY RAVENWIND (Turned to ash by Gwydion. - SEVEN SOLDIERS: ZATANNA #1)
IBIS THE INVINCIBLE (Turned to ash by Gwydion. - SEVEN SOLDIERS: ZATANNA #1)
TAIA (Turned to ash by Gwydion. - SEVEN SOLDIERS: ZATANNA #1)
DOCTOR 13 (Terry Thirteen) (Turned to ash by Gwydion. - SEVEN SOLDIERS: ZATANNA #1)

[ October 14, 2005, 04:26 PM: Message edited by: Nightcrawler ]
 

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Posted by baycent54 on :
 
With all the deaths in the DCU, here's a preview of the next Who's Who:
featuring


The end.

[ October 15, 2005, 09:48 AM: Message edited by: baycent54 ]
 

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Posted by Tamper Lad on :
 
Solicit for IC 4 Follows. Released on Newsarama along with the Perez Cover.

Text Solicitation follows *Spoiler*

INFINITE CRISIS #4
Written by Geoff Johns
Art by Phil Jimenez & Andy Lanning, George Pérez & Jerry Ordway
Covers by Jim Lee & Sandra Hope and George Pérez
The Crisis continues to explode across the DCU as a great power is unleashed. But whose side is it on? Witness a shocking confrontation between Batman and Nightwing, a vicious battle that threatens to tear the heroes of the DCU further apart, and a startling change to the recently deceased. Plus, guest appearances by more characters than we can list! Retailers please note: This issue will ship with covers by Lee & Hope (approximately 50%) and Pérez (approximately 50%).
On sale January 11 • 4 of 7 • 40 pg, FC, $3.99 US



What does that line about the recently deceased mean?

[ October 14, 2005, 05:41 PM: Message edited by: Tamper Lad ]
 

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Posted by Lightning Lad on :
 
Here's the cover.
 

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Posted by Arachne on :
 

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Originally posted by Tamper Lad:
What does that line about the recently deceased mean?

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Originally posted by Lightning Lad:
Here's the cover.

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Originally posted by Nightcrawler:

And did you want to include the SEVEN SOLDIERS deaths? As it's been speculated that SS is related to IC somehow.

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Originally posted by Portfolio Boy:
Who's the green chick in purple in the center? She-Hulk?

And who's the guy in the foreground with the skin condition?

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The green girl's most likely Jade. The guy with the skin condition looks like Shift (the Metamorpho double from the Outsiders).
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
I think that I,Spyder is still alive as seen in Shining Knight #4...and there will be one more Soldier who will die at the end of the Seven Soldiers as I believe. My money's on Mr. Miracle.
 

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Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
 
DR. LIGHT II (Dr. Kimiyo Hoshi) (Powers stripped of her and left in critical condition by Dr. Light I. – GREEN ARROW #54)

Damn! How bad is this? Was the actual attack on-panel? Damn! Even if she makes it, she'll be powerless! Does anyone have the actual issue? If it's not too much trouble, could someone scan the page/s where Kimi appears and post them or PM them to me? Sorry guys, I'm just really upset
 

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Posted by Nightcrawler on :
 

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Originally posted by Invisible Brainiac:
DR. LIGHT II (Dr. Kimiyo Hoshi) (Powers stripped of her and left in critical condition by Dr. Light I. – GREEN ARROW #54)

Damn! How bad is this? Was the actual attack on-panel? Damn! Even if she makes it, she'll be powerless! Does anyone have the actual issue? If it's not too much trouble, could someone scan the page/s where Kimi appears and post them or PM them to me? Sorry guys, I'm just really upset

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The battle between the two happens over the course of several (11 or so) pages. I'll scan in the last few later today.

[ October 15, 2005, 08:28 PM: Message edited by: Nightcrawler ]
 

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Posted by Nightcrawler on :
 
Dr. Light's last? battle.

A month or two old spoilers for some -





 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
You guys really should be reading GREEN ARROW, it's edge-of-your-seat right now.

Wanna know what's going on?

SPOILERS FOLLOW!

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So badguy Dr. Light beat the crap out of femme-Dr. Light and stole her powers, putting her in critical condition (as seen above) in order to draw Green Arrow away from Star City. To keep him there, he sends Mirror Master & Killer Frost.

Because Dr. Light's real plan is to kill Mia (Speedy) and Connor (Green Arrow 2). Mia's in his sights as of the last page of # 55!
 

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Posted by disaster boy on :
 
boooooooo

kimiyo was tough. i can't believe she went out like that. i gotta pick it up at the store...
 

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Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
 
Thanks, Gary. I really appreciate it. Sigh, not Kimi's greatest moment, and not the greatest fight scene ever. How exactly did Doctor Light drain her anyway? He just absorbed her powers?? It just seemed a bit too easy - Kimi absorbed a sun's power once!

Looks kinda bad... but at least she's still alive. There's hope yet.

Though her hand was still glowing as she fell. Could it be that the doctor's lying or mistaken? Maybe she hasn't totally lost her powers yet, and they're just dormant or need to be recharged.

Thanks again, Gary.

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Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
 
The "startling change to the recently deceased" line - could that mean someone will be back from the dead?

Unless Mordru shows up and starts making zombies again...
 

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Posted by disaster boy on :
 
yeah i would've bet kimiyo couldve ripped dr. light 1 a new one. even in his new old ruthless self.
 

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Originally posted by Invisible Brainiac:

Unless Mordru shows up and starts making zombies again...

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Based on an upcoming TEEN TITANS cover I saw elsewhere on LW, I wouldn't rule something like this out.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Just a thought IB, but I think DC has big plans in store for Kimiyo after Crisis. I love the character myself! Even if it meant a name change (the Dr. Light moniker is really too tarnished after Identity Crisis), I'd love to see her active somewhere in the DCU.
 

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Posted by Kid Prime's cocoon on :
 
I'd think with Alexander Luthor and co. returning for the event, you really can't do this without Kimiyo involved in some way.
 

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Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
 
Thanks for the info guys.

Anyway, I was reading the DC boards the other day (not a member, just pop in there once a month or so) and found a thread discussing GA 54. One poster mentions that Geoff Johns posted the ff:

Regardless, I was just talking to Keith Giffen about ideas for Doctor Light II. There are fairly interesting plans for her and they're all good.

And Gail Simone also posted that she was planning to use Kimi in BoP. But the plans were pushed back a bit, unfortunately.

But hey, there's a lot of reason to hope now

Regarding the rest of the casualties and possible casualties, I have to say I'm still grieving over the deaths of Beetle, Sue and Dimitri and Fire's injury. Their era of the Justice League was a pretty memorable one - the stories may not all have been great but the characters more than made up for that.
 

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Posted by ferroboy on :
 
If, as rumors suggest, Barbara becomes Batwoman, then maybe Kimiyo becomes the new Oracle?
 

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Posted by Stratum on :
 

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Originally posted by Invisible Brainiac:
Thanks, Gary. I really appreciate it. Sigh, not Kimi's greatest moment, and not the greatest fight scene ever. How exactly did Doctor Light drain her anyway? He just absorbed her powers?? It just seemed a bit too easy - Kimi absorbed a sun's power once!

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Such a waste of some really great characters.

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Originally posted by Nightcrawler:
A little elaboration about Poison Ivy and Jason Woodrue's inclusion. The story where Pamely falls for Hush (Tommy Elliot) and has him cure her of her plant powers and poisons so they can be together only to wind up dead, leads directly into the following issue, BATMAN: GOTHAM KNIGHTS #66. In that issue, Deathstoke and Talia of the Society use Hush to save Prometheus from the poisoning he recieved from Jenna (a Poison Ivy redux). They want Prometheus' key, which has the power to unlock time, space, everything. The whole story will continue in JSA CLASSIFIED #5 and is a IC tie-in. Prometheus is said to be in a "stable" condition at the end of issue.

What confuses me is that Jason Woodrue appears to be human and murdered in the story, but shows up as plant-like Floronic Man in JLA. Even though I collect every DCU title, I don't remember a story of them being seperated.

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Originally posted by Invisible Brainiac:
Anyway, I was reading the DC boards the other day (not a member, just pop in there once a month or so) and found a thread discussing GA 54. One poster mentions that Geoff Johns posted the ff:

Regardless, I was just talking to Keith Giffen about ideas for Doctor Light II. There are fairly interesting plans for her and they're all good.

And Gail Simone also posted that she was planning to use Kimi in BoP. But the plans were pushed back a bit, unfortunately.

But hey, there's a lot of reason to hope now

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Yay! I'm glad that Winick didn't kill her off (as it would've been really easy to do). Now, it's possible for her to still be used in stories, and it appears that some writers already have plans for her. Once again: yay!

Updates of my own:

Dead Villains
AMOS FORTUNE (Head sliced in half by blast from Virtuoso in VILLANS UNITED #6.)
Status Unknown
HUMPTY DUMPTY (Humphry Dumpler) (Possibly killed in explosion in VILLAINS UNITED #6.)
WEATHER WIZARD (Mark Mardon) (Possibly killed in explosion in VILLAINS UNITED #6.)
Transformed Villains
BLACKBRIAR THORN (name unknown) (Body destroyed by Spectre in DAY OF VENGEANE #1. Currently in the process of growing a new body in DAY OF VENGEANCE #4.)
New Villains
MISTER TERRIBLE (name unknown) (Introduced in VILLAINS UNITED #5.)
RAGDOLL III (_____ Merkel) (Son of Ragdoll I, first appeared in VILLAINS UNITED #1.)
SCANDAL (Scandal Savage) (Daughter of Vandal Savage, introduced in VILLAINS UNITED #1.)
VIRTUOSO (name unkowwn) (Introduced in VILLAINS UNITED #5; possesses violin once owned by the Fiddler.)

And I don't think Crime Doctor should be listed as dead. In VU #6, Luthor mentioned that his "A-number-one torturer" was in a coma. I assumed that he was refering to Crime Doctor.

[ October 18, 2005, 05:03 AM: Message edited by: Haggard Lad ]
 

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Posted by Jorg-EM on :
 
I don't care if she's hot...VIRTUOSO just as lame as Fiddler.
 

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Posted by Stratum on :
 
Shouldn't we add the Supermen of America to the Unkown list? It appears they were taken out in OMAC #6 but it's a bit vague.

Jamie
 

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Posted by Haggard Lad on :
 
The Supermen of America are already on the Status Unknown list.
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
Maybe you can add Copperhead as deceased? That Shadow Thief is kind of getting involved (you mentioned Monocle on the list..) They started all way back to the Identity Crisis..so why not included Copperhead?
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
add Silver Ghost to the New Villains list too...this is the first time Uncle Sam mentioned him in Infinite Crisis #1 since Post-Crisis. He was last seen in Crisis #9, as if I recalled correctly. If I am wrong, then has to be SSSV #14 or #15 as last seen (more than 25 years!)
 

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Posted by Stratum on :
 
Isn't the current Manhunter hunting down Copperhead?

Jamie
 

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Posted by Outdoor Miner on :
 
I thought she'd knocked him off in the first issue of her series.
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
Manhunter Killed Copperhead by blowing off his brain and tongue.
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
More to add to the list (I know you are gonna hate me for this!) heh:

Cheetah I - Priscilla Rich (from Wonder Woman)
the Top - Roscoe Dillon (from Rogue Wars - the Flash)
Vigilante I, Gimmix, Whip II, LIttle Boy Blue, Dan the Dynomite (all in 7 Soldiers)
Dr. 13, Ibis, Taia, Timothy Ravenwind (in Zatanna)
Smartbomb ( in Nightwing)
Skeetz (I know...call me sentimental fool.) ( in Countdown to Crisis)
Harbinger (Superman/Batman)
Ferrin Colon and Doc (Adam Strange)


By the way, Black Condor's real name has been confirmed as Ryan Kendall.
 

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Originally posted by Stratum:
Isn't the current Manhunter hunting down Copperhead?

Jamie

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Originally posted by superboymddjr:
Maybe you can add Copperhead as deceased? That Shadow Thief is kind of getting involved (you mentioned Monocle on the list..) They started all way back to the Identity Crisis..so why not included Copperhead?

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add Silver Ghost to the New Villains list too...this is the first time Uncle Sam mentioned him in Infinite Crisis #1 since Post-Crisis. He was last seen in Crisis #9, as if I recalled correctly. If I am wrong, then has to be SSSV #14 or #15 as last seen (more than 25 years!)

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Cheetah I - Priscilla Rich (from Wonder Woman)

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Vigilante I, Gimmix, Whip II, LIttle Boy Blue, Dan the Dynomite (all in 7 Soldiers)
Dr. 13, Ibis, Taia, Timothy Ravenwind (in Zatanna)

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Harbinger (Superman/Batman)[/qb]

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Ferrin Colon and Doc (Adam Strange)

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Originally posted by Haggard Lad:

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Cheetah I - Priscilla Rich (from Wonder Woman)

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The original Cheetah? Where'd she show up?

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Originally posted by Outdoor Miner:
Wasn't the guy's name Colos or something instead of Colon?

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Originally posted by superboymddjr:
I am not sure about King being dead...he's immortal after all. so put him under Status Unknown.

However, you can add KiteMan to the list that Joker heard through the grapevine that Deathstroke killed him after he refused to join the Society.

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Originally posted by superboymddjr:
and there is Gold too. This is the second time Gold is being shown alive (first one was in Identity Crisis, now this.) ???

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Originally posted by superboymddjr:
More to add to the list (I know you are gonna hate me for this!) heh:

Ferrin Colos and Doc (Adam Strange)

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Originally posted by Nightcrawler:
Or an untold story is yet to be told in which the status quo was re-established. Cloning?

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Originally posted by superboymddjr:
oh sorry to include that - the answerer is Dan DiDio. thanks for reminding me.

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Originally posted by superboymddjr:
you're welcome....and maybe you can *hee hee* add one more to the Unknown Status:

Amethyst and Gemworld.

Spectre is really scary -- rampaging and ravaging so many magical places.

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Originally posted by Haggard Lad:

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Originally posted by superboymddjr:
you're welcome....and maybe you can *hee hee* add one more to the Unknown Status:

Amethyst and Gemworld.

Spectre is really scary -- rampaging and ravaging so many magical places.

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Why? Has there been any proof in the comics that Spectre has attacked Gemworld or its inhabitants? We could probably list many magical characters and locations that Spectre COULD attack, but until he actually does what's the point in listing them? This list is to keep track of the actual changes to DC characters.

Also, if Amethyst is killed, please point me in the direction of the heartless SOB who killed such a fun children's fantasy concept as Amethyst Princess of Gemworld.

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Originally posted by superboymddjr:
Why it's right in Infinite Crisis #2 - on the page next to the last page - right top column with Spectre attacking Amethyst and Amethyst weilding her power to defend herself...alongside two or three Gemworlders. Thus, that's why I said "unknown Status' - we don't know what kind of fate she does have - died or changed (like in COiE) or alive and become merged with Zerox? who knows?

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Oh, thanks for pointing that out. I totally missed it! Sorry to accuse you of making it up. My bad. And now that I look at it closely, I can see her purple outfit and the yellow jem in the other guy's forhead is a dead givaway.

But I'll still be mad if they kill her off.

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Portfolio Boy - Dan and Geoff has stated a few times that Seven Soldiers will be in it and Grant will be following up on it too....also in Zatanna, she mentioned something "terrible she did" in referring to Identity Crisis...so I consider that Seven Soldiers is connected somehow.

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Originally posted by superboymddjr:
Someone from DC Board mentioned that Gail Simone confirmed Cheshire's death in VU#6 at Newsarama report??? I could not find the source...so can anyone verify this?

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All I could find was this bit from the Villains United "Post Mortem":

NRAMA: Fair enough. Touching on some of the other characters who saw some major changes, you killed Cheshire. Given that she has close ties to someone else in the DCU [She’s the mother of Roy Harper (Arsenal’s) daughter, Lian], and her death will cause repercussions with him, was her death your call?

GS: I’ll just say that in the story, Cheshire screwed with the wrong guy, it’s just that simple. I love the character...she’s possibly the best evil witch in comics.


Not sure that's a real confirmation there.
 

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Posted by Stratum on :
 
Well, here are some more heroes that are safe from IC. This is from the Levitz-JSA chat.

"I won’t say it’s one of the more central places where ‘One Year Later’ pays off in a big way. There are a bunch of JSA members hanging around—Power Girl, Wildcat, Jakeem, Flash and Green Lantern (who I’ve always had wonderful times with), Dr. Midnite, Mr. Terrific, Star Girl, and there’s probably a moment or two of some of the others.”

Jamie
 

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Posted by Portfolio Boy on :
 
:sticky bump:
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
no casualties or any changes in the past week yet? *gasp* Hear that the Beetle Scarab will appear in IC #3.
 

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Posted by Outdoor Miner on :
 
Likely in order to set up the new Giffen series.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
"GIFFEN SERIES?"

Does someone need to pay a visit to the All-Keith Giffen thread with some good news??!?!?!
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 

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Originally posted by Blacula:
I *LOVE* the Royal Flush Gang! So colour me extreeeemely pissed that they've been killed off! And by my most hated character in all of comicdom too - The Joker! Ugh!

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Originally posted by Outdoor Miner:

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Originally posted by superboymddjr:
and there is Gold too. This is the second time Gold is being shown alive (first one was in Identity Crisis, now this.) ???

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Given that Doc Magnus is looking like a normal human these days, it seems to be that the Metal Men mini from years ago is no longer in continuity.

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If this be the case, then the Legion story where the Team 20 met the Metal Men and Doc Magnus was Veridium has officially been retconned from all conscious memory -
 

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Posted by legionadventureman on :
 

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Originally posted by superboymddjr:
oh Dan DiDio is on every Wednesday answering the questions by the curious readers who posted them in bulletion board held by Matt Brady...let me check the day and where and which topic.

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Originally posted by Nightcrawler:
New additions:

DEAD VILLIANS
CAPTAIN NAZI (Albrecht Krieger) (Tasered by the Red Hood. Declared dead. - BATMAN #647)

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Originally posted by DrakeB3004:
According to "Crisis Counseling" on the DC boards, in "Robin" the OMAC's were rounding up villains and killing them by the hundreds! Does anyone know if any villains were mentioned by name??

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Originally posted by superboymddjr:
In JSA #80 - I was left with a big disgusting feeling with what they have done to Hector and Lyta Hall. If you want to find out what exactly happen to them, better buy it now or skip it. thats it. no spoilers. A very lame story telling...in my opinion.

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I mentioned in another thread that I wondered if Lyta and Hec's kid had survived Fury's temporary residence in the Dreaming - is the kid still alive or not?
 

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Posted by RTVU2 on :
 

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Originally posted by legionadventureman:

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Originally posted by superboymddjr:
In JSA #80 - I was left with a big disgusting feeling with what they have done to Hector and Lyta Hall. If you want to find out what exactly happen to them, better buy it now or skip it. thats it. no spoilers. A very lame story telling...in my opinion.

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I mentioned in another thread that I wondered if Lyta and Hec's kid had survived Fury's temporary residence in the Dreaming - is the kid still alive or not?

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And as everyone here has told you before-repeatedly I might add- you should be patient and wait for a repsonse and not double post the same question in two different threads.

Lyta's son turned out to be the new Sandman, Daniel. Which still seems to be sticking judgeing from past issues and the current one. He is still the new Sandman.
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
no death this week beside Hector's and Lyta's apparent demises?
 

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Posted by Outdoor Miner on :
 
There was one, but listing it depends on whether or not GOTHAM CENTRAL #38 ends up being considered part of IC.
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
Who? You mean Fisherman?
 

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Posted by Outdoor Miner on :
 
Click Here For A SpoilerDetective Crispus Allen is killed by Jim Corrigan in this month's issue
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
Add more to the death list and Lady Quark is still alive...but still her fate remains to be seen alongside Martian Manhunter, the Ray, Breach, etc.

something's wrong with Superboy and Alexander Luthor.

we have two King Sharks and one is being impaled...dead or alive? we don't know yet because it was revealed that King Shark will be working with Aquaman later for OYL series.

Add Neptune Perkins to the death list - his half was bit off half and swallowed it.

Atlantis was destroyed by the Spectre.

the scarab is being found by a boy or a young man named Jamie.

Good bye to the Amazons. *sobs*

Manhunter - Kate Spencer - was revealed to be a granddaughter of the Golden Age the Atom... brr...what does that mean to the Damage....how are they going to be related?!?!

TMI during this week. gosh.
 

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Posted by Stratum on :
 
That was Neptune? Damn. I wasn't sure.

And the new Beetle(?)'s name is Jaime...not Jamie.

And you can put Tempest, Dolphin, Lori Lemaris (wasn't she already dead in Crisis?) and Arion in the TBD column. It's unclear whether they are alive or not.

Jamie
 

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Posted by rtvu2 on :
 
Poor Neptune. But I bet he has special salmander powers that will allow to regrow his legs or Lori Lemaris's people will graft him a big ols fish tail.

And Jamie - Lori turned out to be alive later on. Durning the Crisis, she made her husband tell Clark/Superman that she was died so he would let her go and some noble ideal or something. It happend sometimes in the 90'S in the Superman titles.

Kate Spencer is the granddaughter of the Al Pratt?
I thought Al and his wife didn't have any kids to have grandchildren?
 

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Posted by Stratum on :
 
Thanks RTVU2. I read a lot of Superman then but I must have missed that one. That or I was confusing her with Tula.

Jamie
 

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Posted by legionadventureRhino on :
 

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Originally posted by superboymddjr:
Atlantis was destroyed by the Spectre.

TMI during this week. gosh.

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Which Atlantis - Poseidonis, Tritonis or Arion's city? If its Poseidonis - then Aquaman, Mera, Tempest and co are very burnt toast, if it's Tritonis, then Lori Lemaris bites the dust (again).

Did the writers of this current crisis ever read the original COIE so that the death count list including the afore-mentioned Lori (and Wonder Woman).... didnt somehow mirror the death list in the first Crisis maxi -

[ December 22, 2005, 03:55 PM: Message edited by: legionadventureman ]
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
Atlantis - where Arthur Curry was the king...too many heroes/villains in water - Shark, King Shark, Aquaman, Aquagirl, Mera, Vulko, Tempest, Arion, a few unidentified, Koryak, Black Manta, Ocean Master, Syrin, Tsunami, New Wave (thought she was dead), Typhoon, Lori Lemaris, Dolphin, Cerdian (called "daughter"?? not son??) you get the picture!
 

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Posted by legionadventureman on :
 

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Originally posted by superboymddjr:
Atlantis - where Arthur Curry was the king...too many heroes/villains in water - Shark, King Shark, Aquaman, Aquagirl, Mera, Vulko, Tempest, Arion, a few unidentified, Koryak, Black Manta, Ocean Master, Syrin, Tsunami, New Wave (thought she was dead), Typhoon, Lori Lemaris, Dolphin, Cerdian (called "daughter"?? not son??) you get the picture!

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I do, thanks...Ohhhh...damn that Spectre!
 

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Posted by Haggard Lad on :
 
I don't know how anyone can tell what was happening in those first three pages. The art was too busy and everything was unclear.

The first page looked like it took place at Sub Diego and then it quickly switched to one of the Atlatis cities. It was so confusing.

And yes, Tempest and Dolphin named their daughter "Cerdian."
 

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Posted by Vee on :
 

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Originally posted by Haggard Lad:
And yes, Tempest and Dolphin named their daughter "Cerdian."

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Except that Cerdian was Tempest & Dolphin's son not daughter originally.
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
exactly that's what I mean...someone gotta tell Geoff Johns the continunity nuts that he missed this one! or does he read Aquaman book?
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
gotta make a list of new villains introduced in Robin #145....a lot of villains...some interesting, some huh huh, some meh...like Badlands, Equina, Fright Knight (has to be one of the funniest moment), etc. I think at least 12 villains were introduced. will do it tomorrow. Bonus: no one died in that issue.
 

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Posted by Haggard Lad on :
 

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Originally posted by superboymddjr:
we have two King Sharks and one is being impaled...dead or alive? we don't know yet because it was revealed that King Shark will be working with Aquaman later for OYL series.

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Just FYI: One was King Shark and the other was The Shark (Green Lantern foe). On another message board, Kurt Busiek was showing off a sketch of King Shark from his new Aquaman series where you can see a scar left over from this impaling. I thought it was a pretty cool little detail.

From this week's Day of Vengeance Special:

*Spoilers... just so you know.*

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Dead Heroes
NABU - Slain by Spectre.

Status Unknown
NIGHTSHADE (Eve Eden) - Captured by Felix Faust and the Demons Three for Luthor.

Transformed Heroes
CAPTAIN MARVEL (Billy Batson) - Forced to guard the Rock of Eternity. (Dumb idea IMO)
DOVE II (Dawn Granger) - Lost powers. Spectre killed the Lord of Order who powered her.
HAWK II (Holly Granger) - Lost powers. Spectre killed the Lord of Chaos who powered her.

When I saw the page filled with all those underused magic characters, I was worried that they would be pointlessly used as cannon fodder. Some of my favorites were there like Zauriel, Janissary, Vixen, Amethyst, Witchfire, Rex the Wonder Dog and the Marvels. Luckily, they were all spared. Horray!

[ January 08, 2006, 12:27 AM: Message edited by: Haggard Lad ]
 

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Posted by Stratum on :
 
Well, we know that Amethyst shows up in DoV so we can drop her from the Unknown list.

I didn't get the latest Aquaman, so's one of you will have to spill the beans there.

Jamie
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Tough issue for Aquaman fans:

Dead
Koryak (Aquaman's son)--great new character from PAD's run

Vulko (advisor to the king since the Silver Age)--and also my favorite supporting character to Aquaman. I'll really miss him.

Tempst (formerly Aqualad) --OK, I don't believe for a second that Garth is dead, but at this point in time, it appears that way.
 

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Posted by Spellbinder on :
 
Well, it just wouldn't be a Crisis without the death of a Titan
 

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Posted by Omni Craig on :
 
I wouldn't worry about Nightshade, they'll just string her up on Alex Luthor's "TOWER O' MULTIVERSAL RESTORATION!!!", as her Earth's representative. Wouldn't it be funny to see that after all that hi-techy-tech stuff Alex Luthor has set up, we'll see it all linked to a VCR, and to activate it, Luthor will just press the "REWIND" button...
 

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Posted by Mystery Lad on :
 
Does TEEN TITANS #31 count as part of the INFINITE CRISES?
 

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Posted by Vee on :
 

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Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
Tempst (formerly Aqualad) --OK, I don't believe for a second that Garth is dead, but at this point in time, it appears that way.

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Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
Tough issue for Aquaman fans:

Dead
Koryak (Aquaman's son)--great new character from PAD's run

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Originally posted by Mystery Lad:
No, he's the product of a younger Arthur's sowing his wild sea-oats before he became Aquaman. The mother was an Inuit girl.

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Thanks, Mystery Lad - Aquaman has had a run of rotten luck when it came to his kids, eh?
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
oh no...poor Koryak...another gay character killed off. It was revealed a few issues that Koryah had a crush on one cop guy, much chagrin to Aquagirl.
 

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Posted by legionadventureman on :
 

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Originally posted by superboymddjr:
oh no...poor Koryak...another gay character killed off. It was revealed a few issues that Koryah had a crush on one cop guy, much chagrin to Aquagirl.

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What is it with these DC wowsers? Why shouldn't be there more gay-orientated super-guys/gals? It really stinks that they get the proverbial shaft every time it is confirmed or hinted that certain people bat for the "other team"...
 

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Posted by Haggard Lad on :
 

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Originally posted by Vee:
I don't buy it either, especially since Garth shows up as a possible new member of the JLA here.

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That link didn't work for me, but I'm assuming it was to Ed Benes' JLA promo he did for Wizard. It was a cool picture and led to some fun speculation, but I wouldn't be surprised if that was made specifically for Wizard and doesn't reflect OYL DC continuity at all.
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
More deaths - as in IC #4 - Bad news - at least two Titans die. Good news - two Titans whom we thought were gonna die are still alive and kicking (Herald and Bumblebee).

at least five Titans status will be remain as uncertain/unknown. (Red Star, Flamebird, Risk, Flash - Wally West, Kid Flash - Bart Allen)

Bludhaven mostly is destroyed by Chemo. Chemo still alive or just dissipated into the poisonous air?

most older JSAers disappeared, except newer JSAers.

Do I really sound like a Riddler?
 

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Posted by Outdoor Miner on :
 

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Originally posted by superboymddjr:
Good news - two Titans whom we thought were gonna die are still alive and kicking (Herald and Bumblebee).

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Originally posted by superboymddjr:

most older JSAers disappeared, except newer JSAers.

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Originally posted by superboymddjr:
what about Stripesy? He disappeared alongside the old JSA, except Stargirl, Mr. Terrific, Dr. Mid-Nite, Jade, and Green Lantern Alan Scott....not sure about Airwave. Gonna be interesting to find out who will disappear more later in issue 5 and 6.

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Originally posted by superboymddjr:
actually, Herald, Bumblebee and Jade are still with the Donna team in space. Joto was the one who got miscolored as Herald. That was Argent that you might have misidentified as Jade. and Bumblebee was nowhere to be seen battling Superboy...which page and which panel and I will check on it.

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Originally posted by Rockhopper Lad:
I expect they're talking about Michael Holt, the current Mr Terrific in JSA, not the original, Terry Sloan, LAM.

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Originally posted by superboymddjr:
More deaths - as in IC #4 - Bad news - at least two Titans die. Good news - two Titans whom we thought were gonna die are still alive and kicking (Herald and Bumblebee).

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Actually three confirmed dead. The guy cut in half was also a Titan. And if Red Star and Risk survive their wounds I'd be surprised.
 

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Posted by Spellbinder on :
 
Y'know, with all of the former JLAers out there to pick from, why are they killing off so many Titans lately?
 

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Posted by Stratum on :
 
Two words, Spellbinder:

Ted Kord....

Jamie
And there's not a lot of Infinitors left around?
 

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Posted by Spellbinder on :
 
Well, they've killed off like 5 Titans in the last year or so, so there's still an uneven balance. AND Crisis isn't over yet
 

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Posted by Outdoor Miner on :
 

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Originally posted by superboymddjr:
what about Stripesy?

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Earth-2, since he debuted with Star-Spangled Kid in the '40s.
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
ah....yeah I might not explain more clearly....Stripey is not a JSAer but he disappeared alongside them except Stargirl...I wonder about Green Lantern Alan Scott - he is not disappeared YET...as Airwave is "zzzzkkkttted" - and look at upcoming issues of JSA - we see Jakeem Thunder, Dr. Mid-Nite II, Mr. Terrific, Power Girl, Stargirl...but no Sand....what the **ll that mean? Will we continue seeing more heroes disappearing in next issue of IC?

LL - I mentioned "AT LEAST two Titans die.." meaning that there are more than 2 dead Titans...who knows that they may bring Bushido back alive by making him a big time Frankenstien? He has a mystical background that may make him an immortal....who knows? I wold not be surprised to see him back alive later on. Maybe Risk will die from too much blood churning out of his shoulder....his death is not confirmed yet. Same thing with Red Star. Poor Pantha....Poor Wildebeest...we only knew you so little....RIP.

If I remember correctly from the Wizard magazine saying that there will be two more members that we will say Farewell from Donna's team - wonder if it's Airwave and Jade? Jade is nowhere to be seen.

I am not sure about Speedy II - alive or dead? since her body is not found in Green Arrow issue and she is right there with the Titans in IC #4, being alive...shade of Hawkman all over.

We finally got a revelation that Max Mercury is dead...alongside Johnny Quick and Barry Allen (by the way, it was so good to see them again! *sob*)
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Whoa!

Someone spoil the Batgirl thing! Is she dead? What happened?

Also, same thing with Speedy? What happened there? Latest Green Arrow (haven't read it yet)?
 

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Posted by Omni Craig on :
 
Dr Light blew up their HQ, with Black Lightning, Connor, and Mia inside. During the most recent issue, we only see Black Lightning and Connor, Mia is MIA, supposedly still buried under the rubble.


By reading Infinite Crisis 4, it would appear Air Wave is split into a million different directions, as he screams. I would think that would put him on the "dead" list, except he also uses his powers in Firestorm #21 to help Donna tell Jason's dad that Jason/Firestorm died.

According to the sequence of events in IC4 however, Air Wave fizzled before Jason died. Based on that (and further events in Firestorm #21) it appears they will both "get better". This is good news, because I've always liked Air Wave, and have always thought he was underused/underdeveloped. On the flipside, he's been a bit whiny lately...

[ January 21, 2006, 02:08 PM: Message edited by: Omni Craig ]
 

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Posted by Spellbinder on :
 
I get nervous when characters we haven't seen in a while show up during a major event. It never bodes well for them...
 

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Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
 
How did Firestorm die? It looks like he just burned out somehow -- is that really it? He exhausted himself to death?
 

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Posted by Tamper Lad on :
 
That's more or less the explanation in Firestorm 21. Used too much power, Jason survived but his buddy Mick is gone. Looks like Jason will return but with an old friend Click Here For A SpoilerProfessor Stein in his head with him.
 

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Posted by Omni Craig on :
 
They spend the first year of Firestorm teasing us by bringing Ron back, and then "poof"!!! So I doubt this will keep either.
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 

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Originally posted by Spellbinder:
I get nervous when characters we haven't seen in a while show up during a major event. It never bodes well for them...

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Originally posted by Omni Craig:
They spend the first year of Firestorm teasing us by bringing Ron back, and then "poof"!!! So I doubt this will keep either.

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That was a different writer. I think this may end up sticking for awhile

And from dccomics.com Crisis Counseling, SB Prime only took out Bushido, Pantha and Wildebeast. Red Star is still alive and so is Risk. No mention of Airwave so I guess he is still good to go.
 

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Posted by Stratum on :
 
Cobie,

Did anyone spoil the Batgirl thing for you yet?

Jamie
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
*choke*

Not yet! Please help a young fan in need!
 

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Posted by Stratum on :
 
Here you go:

Click Here For A SpoilerShe was stabbed through the chest while fighting the League of Assassins (I believe by Ra's other daughter, though I mostly skimmed it. At the end of the issue, Stephanie (Spoiler) comes down in a field of white to 'welcome' her. They leave it hanging there.

It looks like she's dead, Jim.

Jamie
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Wow, thanks Stratum! You space-rawk!

A very abrupt ending for a 'big-deal' character though it seems. They *have* to have Bruce address this for it to have some semblance of legitimacy too (as a story).
 

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Posted by Spellbinder on :
 
Wow... I didn't realize that

Click Here For A SpoilerSpoiler was dead!

I need to read more titles, apparently
 

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Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
 
From Rann/Thanagar special:
Click Here For A SpoilerSo they went and killed Jade so she could transfer her energy back to Kyle to effect his transformation into Ion
Lame, lame, lame...
 

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Posted by icefire on :
 
Damn!
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
@%$#!@$$^#$^!#@$#!!!!


 

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Posted by Language Arts Kid on :
 
Jade is Dead?

NOOOOOOOOO!

Solomon Grundt and I'll miss you, Jennie-Lyn.

You were our favorite Infinitor!
 

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Posted by Rockhopper Lad on :
 
If anyone is keeping track, there are now only five living Infinitors: Obsidian, Northwind, Brainwave, Hourman II and Atom Smasher (Nuklon). Hourman is the only one currently active as a hero.
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
I kind of suspected that Jade would be killed in action....but did not realize that it would be the one to affect Klye to be Ion. now I wonder how Todd Rice and Alan Scott are feeling about her death. Hmm... interesting.
 

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Posted by Outdoor Miner on :
 
I figured this would happen too. It was too obvious with both Kyle and Alan on the outer space team.

Anybody else buy the farm? Feel free to spoil away.
 

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Posted by Tamper Lad on :
 
Nope everyone is safe until IC5 but I'm sure some will die in the all-out frontal assault on the time anomaly.

The other big revelation was an expansion of what was revealed in Alex Luthor's montage of the four Countdown mini series in IC 4. Thanagar did not appear in the Rann system because of a failure of Sardath's omega beam. It was pushed by someone with pre-crisis kryptonian strength.


Bonus Minor Spoilerish stuff.
Vril Dox really seems to dislike Donna Troy. I think he's threatened by her, although he's secure enough to wear a puffy shirt, frilly cravat thingy, a jacket with tails and riding boots. So go figure.
 

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Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
 
Jade? Damn!
 

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Posted by matlock on :
 
Well, I'll be. They found a way for me to care even less about Kyle. Well, maybe she can come back as living energy like Celeste McCauley did.

Really, what's the agenda DC has against the Infinitors? This is getting to the point that it's like a bad joke.
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
This move all but guarantees I won't be buying OUTSIDERS post-IC. B@$t@rd$.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Bah. Kyle should've stayed on Earth so Superboy-Prime could've gone all Pantha on him.
 

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Posted by Matthew E on :
 
That's a shame. I loved Infinity, Inc. And Jade was always the heart of the group.
 

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Posted by Stratum on :
 
Man, I am so glad I'm not alone in feeling this way. Jenni-Lynn and Todd have always received a short shrift from DC (even moreso than the other Infinitor's) but this really sucks.

I honestly thought it was going to be Alan, with Kyle inheriting the Starheart but I was so wrong.

However, they did give her an out by saying that only her physical body is dead...

Jamie
 

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Posted by Omni Craig on :
 
So Alex only brought back Earth-2, not the whole Earth-2 parallel universe. Only the Earth-2 heroes who were on earth when Earth-2 reappeared blipped back over there. And since Jade and Alan were off earth at the time, they were unaffected.

The Infinity Inc curse has struck again!!!
 

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Posted by legionadventureman on :
 

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Originally posted by Omni Craig:
So Alex only brought back Earth-2, not the whole Earth-2 parallel universe. Only the Earth-2 heroes who were on earth when Earth-2 reappeared blipped back over there. And since Jade and Alan were off earth at the time, they were unaffected.

The Infinity Inc curse has struck again!!!

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How unaffected could Jade be if, as you say, she was killed in action? Poor Jennie-Lynn...and I would guess, poor Todd...that dude is gonna go ballistic!!!!
 

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Posted by Outdoor Miner on :
 

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Originally posted by Stratum:

However, they did give her an out by saying that only her physical body is dead...

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Originally posted by legionadventureman:
How unaffected could Jade be if, as you say, she was killed in action? Poor Jennie-Lynn...and I would guess, poor Todd...that dude is gonna go ballistic!!!!

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I meant that Jade and Alan didn't "blink" over to Earth-2.

I hadn't read the issue yet, so I didn't see the hands that are coming through the warp zone. So they have to be Alex Luthor's hands, and his "anti-matter half" has been infused with/infected by the Anti-Monitor???
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
Well, as you can see the spoiler of JSA cover from Wacker interview at Newsrama...you can see the silhouettes that were recognized very easily: Mr. Terrific, Batman, Starman I, Atom I, Sandman, and ....*gasp* Jade. Oddly enough, no dead bodies of Huntress, Robin, Star Spangled Kid, Sand, Hourman, Dr. Mid-Nite....hmmm...I for one can't wait to see whats happening in JSA book.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
That's definitely Jade's image on that JSA cover. So I will continue to hold out hope for her.
 

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Posted by Outdoor Miner on :
 
I hold out a bit of hope only because of Captain Comet's dialogue in regards to Jade in the Special.
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
Huh, huh, Jade's too HOT to die! [/SweatyFanBoy]
 

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Posted by Stratum on :
 
I'm with Pov....she's like a leaner Shulkie!

Jamie
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
A Shulkie/Jade Vertigo/MAX crossover special...
 

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Posted by Stratum on :
 
I'm soooo there...

Jamie
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
Oh, and don't put Cassandra Cain on the Dead list just yet...
 

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Posted by Omni Craig on :
 

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Originally posted by MLLASH:
That's definitely Jade's image on that JSA cover. So I will continue to hold out hope for her.

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The problem is, I think that cover is representing dead JSA heroes. So Jade being on the cover only serves to reinforce the "Jennie's dead" theory.

The issue blurb mentions the "...ghosts of the JSA's past rise to fight the team today..."
 

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Posted by Outdoor Miner on :
 
I would say at this point, despite what the DC offices have said about this, that Jade is only "comic-book" dead.
 

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Posted by Stratum on :
 

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Originally posted by Pov:
Oh, and don't put Cassandra Cain on the Dead list just yet...

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Yeah well, you can replace her with:

Click Here For A SpoilerLady Shiva???

Thanks for the reminder Pov. I forgot to update for last week.

Jamie
 

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Posted by Spellbinder on :
 
They ain't dead unless they're dead AND mutilated
 

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Posted by Amentep on :
 
I know its waaay late, but just for the sake of completeness, Black Condor II's real name was Ryan Kendall
 

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Posted by Matthew E on :
 
Was he the native American one? Or has there been yet another Black Condor?
 

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Posted by Amentep on :
 
There's only two, the original who took the place of Senator Tom Wright (who I believe was originally named Richard Grey Jr.)

The second was in the 90s series and was named Ryan Kendall. He's the one who was in Starman and was killed in IC.
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 

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Originally posted by Stratum:

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Originally posted by Pov:
Oh, and don't put Cassandra Cain on the Dead list just yet...

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Yeah well, you can replace her with:

Click Here For A SpoilerLady Shiva???

Thanks for the reminder Pov. I forgot to update for last week.

Jamie

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Originally posted by Spellbinder:
They ain't dead unless they're dead AND mutilated

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You forgot to add 'stuffed into a refridgerator', SB.

Jamie
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Interesting article here at Newsarama to go along with what we've been talking about...

(Haven't read the whole thing yet).

We're so ahead of the trends
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
guess we can add the fates of Wonder Woman of Earth-2, Lois Lane of Earth-2 and Steve Trevor of Earth-2 to the list...Lois Lane of Earth-2 died in the arm of Kal-L....Wonder Woman just flew into the oblivion with a nice smile saying "Even Superman" the most bravest human being ever. I will miss her.
 

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Posted by legionadventureman on :
 
Any bad guys bite the bullet? I hope its an even split
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
well I believe it's KGBeast this time....in OYL's Batman's... correction is welcomed if I am wrong.
 

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Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
 
On the plus side, Kimiyo Hoshi (Doctor Light) seems to have made a full recovery
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
Yeah IB, it looks like everything from the last 6 mos of GA has been tossed. We see Speedy throwin down with the Titans, Connor is rumoured to get a mini, and Black Lightning is with Batman, arm apparently no longer broken.

That's my only complaint with this Crisis. The cohesiveness Didio says is coming with the new DC is sorely lacking since Countdown.
 

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Posted by Omni Craig on :
 

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Originally posted by Invisible Brainiac:
On the plus side, Kimiyo Hoshi (Doctor Light) seems to have made a full recovery

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Originally posted by Invisible Brainiac:
Omni, I remember it was Sunburst who died, not Rising Sun.

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Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:

Eastern Super-Hero - I'm not sure who this is (appears to have blond hair?). But he gets his back broken. It's not Rising Sun.
***that's Judomaster***

Peacemaker from L.A.W. mini-series - killed by Prometheus.
***thought it was Deadline - will have to check LAW to compare the costume**

Bunch of villains mowed down by Wildog (he still exists?!), Crimson Avenger and someone else.
***Wild Dog!!! woof! the new Vigilante, and Crimson Avenger shooting down the Trigger Twins and Madmen.***

Geist, RazrSharp, Mongrel and two other Bloodlines heroes killed by Superboy-Prime
*sniff sob* will miss Geist, and Razorsharp. Farewell, Nightblade (but who knows? he can be regenerated back to full healthy guy?), Ballistic, and Mongrel.***

***don't forget Amazo and Black Adam ***

On the next page its hard top eace together who is getting killed. It looks like a few B-level heroes and villains might be killed by Doomsday or Superboy Prime. One looks like Major Disaster. Another is Charthrayx or whatever Killer Moth turned into. Who is the guy with the cross on his shirt?
***not sure the first villain in the first panel....and the second villain which SuperboyPrime cracked the neck while heatvizzing Baron Blitzkrieg out, then split Charaxes***

Death of Zauriel via Superboy Prime.
***Zauriel has died several time and will come back anyway.***

Breach exists DCU forever (death or going somewhere else, per Dan Didio). ***exits DCU yea....****

Captain Atom reappears. ***good to see him back !***

Possible deaths of Looker and Technotron. ***damn I liked them!!! it's TechnoCRAT***

32 Green Lanterns killed by Superboy Prime. I don't think any are named or ones I recognize (only 3 shown outright). *** thought Galius Zed was one of them who got killed - if that's the name I recall correctly AND recognize another one ??? that's one from where Tellus comes from - Hykrauis!! (sadly killed) one of another Legion anal retentive!***


***good to see Mogo!!***

Glimpses of future year of DCU: Starman (Danny Blaine)? New Atom! Captain Marvel oddities? Batwoman? Woman in green--is that Raven? ***Raven can be seen next to Beast Boy, with a new costume, apparently. good to see Hourman III and Sand being alive. who is the guy between Hawkgirl and John Stewart - new Black Condor? notice one Soldier of Victory is missing - RIP Mister Miracle II. Speedy II looks alive...so where is Arsenal? Notice Alan Scott's eye glowing? Vixen's new costume - like it! See new OMAC? I still don't recognize Woman in Green next to Supergirl....

Now confirm/correct/add Legion Worlders!***done***

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Thanks fellas! I knew you guys could help me out. I assume Solomon Grundy and Amazo will come back, as they always do. I do think, however, that its the end of Zauriel for good, as an emphasis has now firmly been put on the Hawks.

Its pretty damn impressive how the most obscure characters are so instantly recognized on these boards! (Ah...Ballistic is from Superman and Nightblade is from GL...I remember now)
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
So someone want to do a count of the head damage scenes? Did Black Adam manage to catch up with Superboy-Prime's total?

Oh, and note that Alex Luthor's death isn't explicitly shown, so there's still room for him to come back.

[ May 03, 2006, 07:58 PM: Message edited by: Eryk Davis Ester ]
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
That should take some more research, but off the top of my head, Superboy Prime killed:

Pantha
Wildebeast
Bushido
Superboy (Conner)
Geist
RazrSharp
Ballistic
Nightblade
Mongrel
Major Disaster
Baron Blitzkrieg
Charaxes
Zauriel
32 Green Lanterns
Superman of Earth-2
Caused Wally West Flash to exit the DCU
Dismembers Risk per ripping his arm off

All and all, I say that's pretty impressive! While some of my faves are on the above list (Wally, Kal, etc.), check out how many 90's crap-age characters met their finale!

For Black Adam, all I can think of is Psycho Pirate & Amazo, but that has to be wrong. There probably were more in Villains United and possibly Infinite Crisis #1.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Yeah, but how many of Prime's are de-capitations?
 

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Posted by disaster boy on :
 
not major disaster?!?!? i thought that was soemone i just didnt recognize.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
DB, I guess its still up in the air.

Decaps include: Pantha
Torn in half: Bushido, Charaxes
Melted into goo: all the rest!
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Hmm... I thought there was at least another SP decap. Well, we know we've got at least two BA decaps.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
I feel like I'm missing one too.

Other recent decaps: Mongul decapping his sister in GL #8.

Even cooler than a decap: Black Adam ending Psycho Pirate.
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
Black Adam killed Kobra by pulling out the heart during the Dark Reign and I remember that he also killed one villain but it's escaping my memory bank right now.

I thought it was someone else, not Major Disaster. Hmmm...someone needs to make a list of who's who in each panel.
 

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Posted by Matthew E on :
 

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Tangent Earth's Green Lantern's Lantern appears in post IC DCU.

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Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
Lets rock and roll! IC #7:
Geist, RazrSharp, Mongrel and two other Bloodlines heroes killed by Superboy-Prime.

Who is the guy with the cross on his shirt?

Death of Zauriel via Superboy Prime.

Captain Atom reappears.

Possible deaths of Looker and Technotron.
Now confirm/correct/add Legion Worlders!

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I didn't get the impression Geist and crew died, just that they dogpiled him. 'Course, only the Flashes and Supes have survived that particular technique.

The guy with the cross was another Bats related Bloodline, Cardinal Sin, I think.

Zauriel died in Morrison's JLA swan song, so this is just another in a series for the angel.

I'd heard Cap Atom reappeared in the Battle for Bludhaven. Did I misread something?

Looker was a vampire at last appearance, so maybe she's just really tan.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
You know, I think you're right CJ, I think that is Cardinal Sin. I can picture that character right now. The whole internet presumes its Baron Blitzkrieg though right now...

I have to say guys, that I think this really means the following are dead though for real real:

Looker
Technocrat (thanks for previous correction)
Geist
Nightblade
Mongrel
Ballistic
Razrsharp
Zauriel
Supermen of America (not in this issue but I'll include)
Neptune Perkins (same)

Really, I think their deaths fit in with the whole IC mentality and there is reason each panel happened the way it did. I know there is an out available (for a few, a very easy out, a la Zauriel), but I'd count them as dead unless they somehow appear years later.

At the end of the day, the only two real candidates that might have survived IC who are now presumed dead (by fans) are Tempest and Dolphin.

DC has pretty much said they have their own internal 'who died' list, but will not release it, so they want to tease us by making us speculate. Which basically means Looker is probably on it, but 15 years from now a young writer named Timmy Taylor could come up and bring her back, and old man Didio can go (y'see? that's what we never released the list!).
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Going on that assumption, I'd like to begin the Master Hero Death List for IC-related stuff, although I'll let one of you fine upstanding citizens of LW tackle the much more massive and intimidating villains/supporting character list.

Dead Heroes from Identity Crisis to end of minis
Sue Dibny
Firestorm
Harbinger (Lyla)
Doc (of the Omega Men)
Darkstars (Ferrin Colos, Munchukk, and Chaser Bron)
VIGILANTE I
WHIP II
GIMMIX
BOY BLUE
DYNO-MITE DAN
I, SPYDER
TIMOTHY RAVENWIND
IBIS THE INVINCIBLE
TAIA
DOCTOR 13 (Terry Thirteen)
INDIGO
Manhunter (Dan Richards)
Manhunter (Chase Lawler)
Manhunter (Kirk DePaul)
Hector Hall
Fury
Blue Beetle
Pariah
Rocket Red
Supermen of America
Sparta
Hawkwoman (Shayera Thal)
SHAZAM (aka the Wizard)


Killed during IC, IC Crossovers or Specials
Black Condor
PHANTOM LADY II (Delilah "Dee" Tyler) (Skewered through chest by Deathstroke. - INFINITE CRISIS #1)
HUMAN BOMB (Roy Lincoln) (Bludgeoned to death by Bizarro. - INFINITE CRISIS #1)
Jade
Dr. Fate (Nabu)
Airwave
Neptune Perkins
Tempest - debatable
Dolphin - debatable
Lois Lane of Earth-2
Pantha
WIldebeast
Bushido
Lois Lane of Earth-2
Superboy (Conner Kent)
Peacemaker II
Ballistic
Geist
Nightblade
Mongrel
RazrSharp
Cardinal Sin?
Major Disaster
Zauriel
Looker
Technocrat
Breach (at least exiting DCU forever)
32 Green Lanterns
Superman of Earth-2 (Kal-L)

Gone
The Atom
Flash III (Wally West)
Wonder Woman of Earth-2
Max Mercury - now confirmed as dead

Diasbled
Risk - arm ripped off
Judomaster - back broken

Erased from Continuity
Supergirl/Matrix

Still very much up in the air
Batgirl (Cassandra Cain)
Thunder & Lightning - now the world is abuzz with thoughts that these two died in Villain United Special, but I really don't think you can accurate say that, so I didn't include in the above.
 

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Posted by Nightcrawler on :
 
Wasn't Nightblade's power to survive anything? So, shouldn't he have survived?
 

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Posted by Matthew E on :
 
My personal theory is that Shazam the Wizard isn't dead at all, but is hiding out in Blue Beetle's scarab.
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
I am still not sure about Major Disaster and his appearance - I think someone else....a part of the group that Shock Trauma is a member of. could not remember his name...

it is possible that Looker, Technocrat, and Nightblade could still be alive - Looker could have at last minute shielded herself and Technocrat from the blast that might have send them somewhere. No body , no death....unlike Razorsharp, Geist, etc....they have their body being shown by VZZZZED and charred.

I am still disturbed that they still have no explanation on how Bolt, Gold, Electrocutioner, and others has been brought back alive..yeah Superboy Prime causing them to come back alive...riiiiight and that's a copout. I think that the editor is really being lazy...did not even bother to check Black LIghtning's costume to make sure that it is consistent. Halo's costume? oh well.
 

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Posted by disaster boy on :
 
for somee reason i would have thought Major Disaster would have gone out in his classic costume (as a villain) or be included in the plot if he was in his later look, as a hero.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Nighty, that's some obscure trivia! I have so little recollection of Nightblade I couldn't for the life of me remember his name until someone reminded me, only that he appeared in GL.

I guess it is possible that Looker & Technocrat could have survived, but that doesn't seem to go with the spirit of IC (whether good or bad). Personally, Looker was my favorite member of the old Outsiders, above even Metamorpho.

Major Disaster - It just seems to look like him so much, I can't think of who else it could be. Any theories?

Matthew, nice theory on SHAZAM. I personally expect him to return eventually myself, so it'll be interesting to see how.
 

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Posted by Tamper Lad on :
 
I dunno, it looks like they're going to let Billy run with the wizard's powers for a bit.

I think the hooded Marvel in the double splash panel is Billy. Though it's white he's got the traditional double breasted costume of Captain Marvel. I think the Marvel in red behind him is Freddie.

I'm sure the Wizard will return though not for a while. Regardless, I take it that Jeff Smith will be doing an out of continuity "All-Star" take on the Marvel family.
 

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Posted by Outdoor Miner on :
 

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Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
Major Disaster - It just seems to look like him so much, I can't think of who else it could be. Any theories?

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The boys at Newsarama think it's someone called "Boss Moxie".
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
It looks like its up for debate among the internet (much like, well, er, anything!). Matt Brady says Boss Moxie, but they're apparently not sure. As usual, a forgetful editor will unknowingly decide this one day I'm sure
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
Cobie, your list needs some revising after this fisrt issue of 52.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Hm, I notice Zauriel still alive, but was there anything else that we saw established?


Dead Heroes from Identity Crisis to end of minis
Sue Dibny
Firestorm
Harbinger (Lyla)
Doc (of the Omega Men)
Darkstars (Ferrin Colos, Munchukk, and Chaser Bron)
VIGILANTE I
WHIP II
GIMMIX
BOY BLUE
DYNO-MITE DAN
I, SPYDER
TIMOTHY RAVENWIND
IBIS THE INVINCIBLE
TAIA
DOCTOR 13 (Terry Thirteen)
INDIGO
Manhunter (Dan Richards)
Manhunter (Chase Lawler)
Manhunter (Kirk DePaul)
Hector Hall
Fury
Blue Beetle
Pariah
Rocket Red
Supermen of America
Sparta
Hawkwoman (Shayera Thal)
SHAZAM (aka the Wizard)


Killed during IC, IC Crossovers or Specials
Black Condor
Phantom Lady II
Human Bomb
Jade
Dr. Fate (Nabu)
Airwave
Neptune Perkins
Tempest - debatable
Dolphin - debatable
Lois Lane of Earth-2
Pantha
Wildebeast
Bushido
Lois Lane of Earth-2
Superboy (Conner Kent)
Peacemaker II
Ballistic
Geist
Nightblade
Mongrel
RazrSharp
Cardinal Sin?
Major Disaster
Looker
Technocrat
Breach (at least exiting DCU forever)
32 Green Lanterns
Superman of Earth-2 (Kal-L)

Gone
The Atom
Flash III (Wally West)
Wonder Woman of Earth-2
Max Mercury - now confirmed as dead

Diasbled
Risk - arm ripped off
Judomaster - back broken

Erased from Continuity
Supergirl/Matrix

Still very much up in the air
Batgirl (Cassandra Cain)
Thunder & Lightning
 

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Posted by Caliente on :
 
Judging by this week's Aquaman - Sword of Atlantis, I think we can take the debateable off of Tempest's death. ><

Also, Click Here For A Spoilerconfirmed appearance of Cassandra Cain in Robin #150 and, while she is very much not dead, she's also very much not Batgirl anymore. 'nuff said.
 

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