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Posted by Frostfyre on :
 
I subscribe to Astonishing X-Men and received issue 4 today all I can say is that the ending is HUGE!!!!!!!

[ August 23, 2004, 07:01 PM: Message edited by: Frostfyre ]
 

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Posted by Future on :
 
Oooh! Now I *really* can't wait for Wednesday!

Thanks for the heads up, Icey! Definitely be one of my first reads alongside the last Legion issue.
 

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Posted by Frostfyre on :
 
This is becoming one of my favorite titles Joss Whedon Rocks!!!!
 

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Posted by huntdrouin on :
 
I totally agree! I love the campy nature that's been building between Kitty and Emma. Kitty's always been my favorite and now she's all grown up.

The guest at the end was waaaay out of left field for me. Totally loved it, but one of the last people I'd expect! Rock on!!!
 

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Posted by Future on :
 
The special guest was indeed a surprise. I'm going to reserve total judgment about it until further events are explained.

Loved Kitty in this issue. Beast didn't quite get the focus I expected, and I'm actually upset by Wing's current plight that he's gotten himself into.

This new villain Ord is definitely on my "They're Evil!" list after this issue. I don't hate the character, I just don't like him and his actions within the book. Kinda like Lantern and Arrow recently in Legion.
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
I leafed through it down at the Trader last night.

As Future said, I'll reserve judgment... but as things stand right now, I'm disappointed. I don't see any reasonable way to explain this return.
 

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Posted by Dev Em on :
 
I agree with Pov
 

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Posted by Frostfyre on :
 
I don't care how they explin it I'm just happy to have them back!!!!!!
 

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Posted by ActorLad on :
 
I've yet to read it but Whedon better have a extremely well thought out & good reason for the event.
 

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Posted by STU on :
 
It's just like this season of Big Brother: Project DNA. Do Not Assume!

That's really _______'s identical twin. They've been switching in and out of continuity!
 

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Posted by SoM on :
 
Just sos we can say "Whedon brought Colossus back despite the fact that last time we saw him he was dust floating over the Russian countryside", 'K

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Posted by Pov on :
 
Just a reminder, SoM, But you need some sort of spacing at the beginning of your post in case anybody's going through the "Today's Active Topics" link.

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... this kinda has me pissed off. I was quitting the X-books around the time they killed Piotr off-- people have heard me rant about how they decided the books were based on the movie, and not the other way around -- and his death was really the capper. (Especially with the next month's cover, Cyclops in a black visor and leather get-up... ). I was shocked that they'd killed him off, but the character was played out. His family was gone, he'd betrayed teh dream and returned as the Prodigal... the character was just treading water. His sacrifice to rid the world of the disease that took his sister from him was very in-character.

All that said, I don't see how they can reasonably explain his death and cremation away in any manner that won't make a farce out of the original story. And I'm suddenly glad I didn't fall for the hype around Astonishing .
 

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Posted by Future on :
 
I'm glad to see the character back, but like Pov and SoM...there's really no way you could explain this return and make me happy. I'd accepted Colossus as dead; he doesn't need to be brought back. I don't know if Whedon did it for shock or what, but I really don't feel it was the brightest move. I'm having a hard enough time with Magneto being back, Xorn being around, and Jean always still hovering over us (X-Men: The End).

So much for dead means dead. That lasted, what, two years? Way to go, Joe Q.

As stated elsewhere, I love the series and this issue, but the only thing I liked about the Colossus return was Kitty's reaction...and that I could get if she was dreaming he had returned or someone had morphed into the character. I really don't like having a rug pulled out from under me, let alone a rug I had already thrown away and forgotten about.
 

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Posted by DrakeB3003 on :
 
I knew it!! ...even though I suspected it was Colossus, it was an exciting scene and buildup cuz you knew Kitty had to be the one to find him. I was never a big Colossus fan but I don't mind that he's back. Bringing Magneto back a month or two after he died is one thing, but something like this I can overlook if Joss gives us a good story out of it.

The cremated body thing could be explained with a body swiping/switching scenario prior to cremation (assuming there was no autopsy). I guess we'll find out next month what Joss has in mind.
 

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Posted by Dev Em on :
 
>yawn<

Glad I stopped this book with issue 1.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
I missed him. A lot. Colossus is one of my three favorite X-Men (with Kitty and Kurt), and I can't help but smile very widely to see him back. It bothers me when characters die and are resurrected (I really didn't want to see Jean back), but I can't help but be hypocritical when it's one of my favorites.

I'm glad he's come back! I LOVED Kitty's reaction. I'm glad he's back.

And death/resurrection aside, I think his personality would be a welcome addition to this team. Wolverine is repetitive sometimes and Beast bores me, so I know *I'll* be happy. Different opinions and all that

One other point--I found those two young mutants that Ord attacked to be very likeable, in a small amount of time. I like Joss Whedon's writing style.
 

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Posted by Kid Psychout on :
 
apart from the whole Colossus thing (and to restate my general position; it's comic books people coming back from the dead is fine. as long as it's well done) i just love the interaction and dialogue.

Loved Josh and the others cutting off the Stepfords before they started off on one of their wierd expositionary tangents. If only people could do that whenever Claremont's Storm starts off on her "By the goddess, who's motherly yet strangely Darwinian ways have forced me to overcome my claustrophobia, that i developed as a child thief, and confront that i must save those who hate and etc etc etc


And i have to say that in only 4 pages he's made me care more for Hisako (call her GLO-BOT!)and Wing than in 15 issues of those pale new new mutants in X Academy.

And 4 issues of this book have been truer to the characters and made more sense than the whole Austen run on Uncanny.
 

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Posted by STU on :
 
Why's Josh literally bronze? Does that have something to do with his powers, or did he just go wild with the self-tanner?
 

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Posted by Reboot on :
 

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Why's Josh literally bronze? Does that have something to do with his powers, or did he just go wild with the self-tanner?

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He's not literally bronze (and he's meant to be gold-coloured anyway).

And what happened was that:

1) A while back (in Dream's End, which is getting TPBed very soon, including the death of Colossus...), Wolfsbane got depowered.

2) Later, when Rahne turned back up @ the Institute, she was acting far more aggressively than before (& supressing her accent) and Josh developed a crush on her.

3) Over a game of pool, Josh reasoned out that the reason for all this was that, subconsciously, she couldn't handle life without "the wolf." Eventually, they kissed and he healed away her powerlessness (before you bring up the obvious, I think he should have healed $%^&* retard-boy's "cure" away too, especially based on Beast's explaination of his power in NM12. Bad glitch there). Unfortunately, she lost control and ripped a big hole in him (Dani Moonstar talked her down later, but she's still having problems).

4) In the hospital, Josh's teammates managed to get him to wake up and get himself under control long enough to heal himself. For one reason or another tho, he turned himself gold in the process

Oh, and read New X-Men: Academy X!!!

[ September 29, 2004, 04:20 AM: Message edited by: Reboot ]
 

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Posted by STU on :
 

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Originally posted by Reboot:
4) In the hospital, Josh's teammates managed to get him to wake up and get himself under control long enough to heal himself. For one reason or another tho, he turned himself gold in the process

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Makes perfect sense.

Maybe he should call himself Golden Boy...
 

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Posted by Future on :
 
Josh's advisor, Danielle Moonstar, reasoned Josh did it to himself. He's actually an omega-level mutant, whose powers allow him to alter the molecules of the body, though he has no idea of this and can only do the baseline healing he discovered.

Dani thinks he tried to change himself as he always had wanted to be the perfect, "golden boy" and now he would get some of the attention he craves by standing out.
 

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Posted by EmeraldEmpress on :
 
If Marvel bring back Psylocke in this series I'll be so happy.
 

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Posted by STU on :
 
They're saving that for Uncanny.

Actually, I doubt they'd bring Betsy back (although I'd be really happy if they did), but it looks like another member of the Braddock family may be making a reappearance sometime soon...
 

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Posted by Brainiac 5 on :
 
I checked, and I'm surprised no one's got a thread running about this book. Quite simply, this is the best X-Men story and art-wise since the original Claremont-Byrne era. Joss Whedon is a friggin GREAT storyteller, and Cassaday's art is sheer poetry. The jet swirl of the "fastball special" was genius. I am truly astonished. A book that actually outdoes the hype that surrounded it.

[ January 19, 2006, 09:57 AM: Message edited by: Pov ]
 

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Posted by disaster boy on :
 
astonishing x men is great. joss really writes kitty pryde well, who is one of my favorites.

the four or five pages when kitty finds peter is great storytelling. i would be dumbstruck too. and then the conversaion after...was touching. im glad they brought back peter even if joss is only going to be on the book until #12. or so i hear from another legion worlder. but, cassaday has also done great work on the planetary series. cassaday is not stylistically stunning or styalized but i think he is one of the best storytellers out there. ever even.

i just hope emma frost dosnt have anything too sinister in store for kitty, but then emma always realized kitty's potential from the very begining.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
The scene where Wolverine and Colossus do the fast-ball special almost made me cry. Whedon did it perfect, and didn't even have to mention ‘Fast Ball Special’, since we knew it was coming and were desperately waiting for it.

I honestly sat back for a minute and thought "damn...my X-Men are back."
 

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Posted by matlock on :
 
Arrgh. I haven't been tempted to pick up an X-Book lo these many years and they have to tempt me with a "Fastball Special." That just gives me the warm fuzzies all over.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Matt, wait until you see it. First, you get the surprise reappearance with Peter, the best Peter/Kitty scene in 20 Years, the X-Men versus the bad guy, and then [kinda spoilers] the bad guy is getting away with no real way to catch him, leaving Wolverine to say something like “well there is an old fashioned way”, while looking at Peter (who he’s just seen is back from the dead)…and then Bam! Next page is a double page spread scene of Colossus hurling Logan at him with a fastball special, no dialogue, cuz none is needed.

B/t that scene and the one with Kitty and Peter the previous issue, I remember why I love the X-Men in the first place.
 

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Posted by matlock on :
 
must. not. be. tempted.

bank. account. drained.

read old issues to soothe pangs.....
 

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Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
 

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Originally posted by Brainiac 5:
I checked, and I'm surprised no one's got a thread running about this book.

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Originally posted by matlock:
must. not. be. tempted.

bank. account. drained.

read old issues to soothe pangs.....

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C'mon, matlock, you just know there's a book that's right on the edge of being dropped. Go ahead and drop it and pick up AXM. It's worth it. Trust me. I quote some others: "He does Claremont better than Claremont." (At least, these days.)
 

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Posted by Future on :
 
Not to play Devil's Advocate to matlock, but this would be a great time to check it out. I think the trade of the first six issues came out last week, as did issue seven.
 

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Posted by ferroboy on :
 
Right, so there's no excuse.
 

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Posted by 235 - Andy S on :
 
pick it up in trades, matlock ... that's how i'm doing it

it seems to be an acceptable negotiation for me and my bleeding bank account
 

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Posted by matlock on :
 
Maybe later... I think I'll be buying the new Legion on layaway as it is. My car loan is up and we've got to make a huuuuge payment Friday. Bah.

And I only read Legion anymore so I don't have a book to drop unfortunately, ferroboy.
 

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Posted by CJ Taylor on :
 
Any word on what will happen to the title when Whedon leaves? I heard he was on for a 12 issue stint. I can't imagine Marvel wanting to end the title there... 'Course, then maybe Wolverine can get some respite.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
I'm hoping that he doesn't leave at all...it's just too good an X-title right now!

Then again, there's the rumors that Bryan Singer is going to take over (or is that Ultimate X-Men?).
 

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Posted by Future on :
 
Singer's run is supposed to be on Ultimate X-Men if I'm not mistaken.

As for Whedon, I hope they keep him around. I haven't seen any hype about this being his final arc or him following through and leaving after #12, so hopefully Marvel's on the ball and are negotiating with him behind the scenes.

This book really is his and I'd much rather see where Joss would run with it than have anyone else, even a favorite writer of mine, take over. The same can be said for Cassidy as penciller.
 

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Posted by ferroboy on :
 

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Any word on what will happen to the title when Whedon leaves? I heard he was on for a 12 issue stint. I can't imagine Marvel wanting to end the title there... 'Course, then maybe Wolverine can get some respite.

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I heard that if Whedon leaves the book might end.
 

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Posted by Stargazer on :
 
Then this would be a just another limited series.. aghh.
I really am enjoying this book. It is actually the only X-book I am reading.
 

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Posted by Pov of Nine on :
 
Icey's been begging me to check this out. The trade was supposed to be out this week, but Wonderland didn't have any. I might check WaldenBooks tomorrow after work.
 

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Posted by Just Pov on :
 
Dammit, icefire...

Long story short, icey knows what an X-Fan I used to be and has been hounding me to check out ASTONISHING. So when I saw DCBS was offering the first trade, "GIFTED", at half-price, I ordered it.

And dammit, I liked it. For all the reasons Cobie gave... it just feels like MY X-Men. The costumes. The fastball special. Cassaday's work, which has cleaned up real nice since his DESPERADOES work. And everybody sounded right. Joss seems to GET these characters; they haven't been this real since Claremont's first run... at his peak.

Arghh! Aloan Davis has me buying UNCANNY again, if only for his issues... slowly, slowly they're sucking me back in... I can feel it!
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
Aaaaaaand Astonishing #8 becomes the first core X-book I've bought new off the rack in... forever.

Well worth it. I grabbed 7 also, which with my trade purchase awhile back keeps me current. Whedon's writing had me in stitches in spots, especially throughout issue 7 (see my sig! ) --Wolvie's NONthoughts while fighting "Godzilla" and the FF's cameo also.

With the ending to 7, 8's reveal wasn't too surprising, though I can't wait to find out WHY.

I can't believe I'm buying the "X" again...
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Welcome back to the fold

The series has been excellent, and I really want Whedon on for a 50 issue run! This is the first time ever for me that I can hardly wait for the next issue of an X-Books (I read Claremont's run at clips of 10-20 by having the back issues handy), and I can't handle the anticipation!
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 

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Welcome back to the fold

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As long as it's not one of The Blob's folds...!

And I wouldn't call it a full-blown relationship just yet; Mmmmmaybe a one-book stand...

It -does- feel good, though. I missed these guys. My complete run from 131-375 is one of the highlights of my collection, second only to my Legion stuff. It's like Joss read my mind for what made the X-Men great.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Didn't I tell ya about the Wolvie/Petey Fastball Special in #6? Didn't get all choked up? Quite suddenly, this is *my* X-Men again...
 

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Posted by Kinetix on :
 
One of the best scenes showing how cool Cyclops *can* be, with the right writer writing him.

(A friend shared it with me, I'm still awaiting my shipment)

J
 

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Posted by Lightning Lad on :
 
This just in. Whedon and Cassady extend their run on Astonishing X-Men for another 12 issues. Read all about it: http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=4838
 

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Posted by Kinetix on :
 
Yeah, they goofed up before by saying it was 24 more issues. But nooo.

*sniff*

J
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
What I got from the article was that their CURRENT run is going to only be another twelve issues, but that they also are planning on another 12-issue arc PLUS a "Giant-Sized" Astonishing 1-shot at a furhter time. Not too shabby.

P.S. to Des-- I just remembered a really crappy drawing I did of Wolvie and Colossus in a Fastball Special back in HS-- if I find it, I may try to post it here. We'll see if it's as terrible as I remember...
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
Eh, looks like I misread.

This little bit posted at Newsarama confirms they're doing 24 issues total, plus the GS Astonishing:

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Joss Whedon spoke extensively about his upcoming Serenity movie on Saturday at WonderCon, but also had a few words about his comic book work, first off, confirming what Marvel's solicitations for May suggested, that Astonishing X-Men #1-#12 is the creators's first year on the series.

From the panel:

Whedon and Cassaday announced at the Serenity panel that they will stick around for another year of Astonishing X-Men. Whedon said that after issue #12 ships, there will be a brief respite, followed by another 12-issues by Whedon/Cassaday. This will be capped off by Giant-Size Astonishing X-Men Annual #1 as Whedon called it.

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Originally posted by armsfalloffboy:
That being said, Astonishing makes me happy in a way that hasn't been since the debut of the second X-Men. Why has no one since Claremont been able to write Kitty?

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Cool -I'm not the only one.
 

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Posted by disaster boy on :
 
kitty is my favorite, all time character


i'm not sure if claremont can write her anymore. but alan and joss really get her.
 

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Posted by Mystery Lad on :
 
Kitty's great-- but I wanna see more Colossus. And Beast.

Any one have a theory about the 'mystery voice' that's been talking to Emma?

The first six issues were terrific; issues since have been very good, but not quite hitting the mark their predecessors set.

I'm looking forward to the next arcs-- maybe the conclusion will improve my opinion of the current one.
 

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Posted by G-Man on :
 
The dynamic between Kitty and Emma is one of my favorite points of this book. I could tell that would be the case in the first issue when Kitty made the comment about being late because she was getting completely dressed. Plus, Kitty makes Emma act kind of like a brat, so...
 

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Posted by Jorg-EM on :
 
armsfalloffboy, i agree the X-verse has gotten very confusing over the years...and somehow the it keeps moving on. I've noticed lots of younger fans (children of the 90's) are huge fans of later characters like Psylocke, Bishop, Rogue, Gambit, etc.

I've looked at the "X-model" and I like it for one reason. No reboots back to the original X-Men, or Claremont's classic X-Men,etc. I hate when a title goes backwards b/c some writer think the original stuff to be the best or most original, etc. When things get quietly wiped out so everything is like it was.

The X-Men as muddled as their history/continuity is they build on what came before. Jean is dead. Emma is looking great by Whedon. So is Kitty. Now fans will look to these women as their favorites. New characters become popular...that's nice.
 

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Posted by armsfalloffboy on :
 
If there is one criticism of Astonishing, it's that sometimes not a whole lot seems to happen in an issue--lots of big pictures. I thought the last one (10?) was a little thin. Good stuff, though. How are Peter and Kitty going to survive being shish-kebabed?
 

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Posted by the boy with UltraPowers on :
 
this is currently the only X-title that i buy !!

and i really enjoyed the first 6 or so issues, but i'm not sure at the minute ?? feels it's dragging out a little .....

and i could look at CEREBRO without thinking of ROBERT VAUGN's sister in "SUPERMAN III" when she she gets turned into that robot version of herself, towards the end of the film !! she looks just the same IMO !!

Matthew.
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
Just a question I've had mulling around my head:

Does anybody feel the fallout from HOUSE OF MEH and DECIMATION in any way lessens Whedon's first arc?

I mean, how are we supposed be concerned with "Hope" when SW can wake up, cross her eyes and wipe out 90% of the mutants on Earth?

Whedon pulled me back in with his writing, but Marvel seems bound and determined to drive me away with their "events". Fooey.
 

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Posted by disaster boy on :
 
this is the only x-title i buy now...and i was a pretty devoted x-fan.

so sad. i'll just ignore the rest of the x-universe..."198 what? i don't know what you are talking about"....besides give it five years and we'll have a ton of muties running around again.
 

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Posted by disaster boy on :
 
is astonishing x-men over with number twelve? i thought joss whedon was only doing 12 but, i can't find it on any of the dates as coming out....is it over? i thought someone else was supposed to start writing it.

[ October 07, 2006, 04:38 PM: Message edited by: Disaster Boy ]
 

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Posted by Caliente on :
 
No, it's not. He signed on to do another twelve issue run. It's going to start again in... I want to say January but it may be February or March. 2006 for sure, though.

I think this is partially due to HoM, partially because they had some deadline issues with the first twelve and partly other commitments.

But, long story short, it will return in 2006. Mark your calendars...
 

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Posted by disaster boy on :
 
yayyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!

thank you caliente. i just reread some of them this week and was reminded how good they were.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
I also can't wait for this. I wonder where the characters will be in the mean-time? Hopefully they won't get sucked into any other books and Joss can have them all to him self upon his return (Wolvie not counting).
 

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Posted by disaster boy on :
 
as long as he keeps writing emma, kitty, and peter so well i can block out their characters in other books. even scott is written well and i never liked him...wolvie too.

my recent favorite line: (kitty to emma)

"YOU teach ethics?"
 

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Posted by Caliente on :
 
If the rumors are true, Kitty will be in New Excalibur (and back with Pete Wisdom) and Illyana will be filling her place in Astonishing X-Men.

We'll just have to wait and see, though. As for the team itself... I have no idea if they'll be appearing in other books or not. Emma's been in adjectiveless for the past few arcs and both Emma and Cyke have reccuring roles in New X-Men - Academy X. I guess we'll see...
 

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Posted by Reboot on :
 
I'd bet almost anything that rumour is untrue. Whedon has an absolute lock on being Kitty's primary writer as part of his contract - she's the only character in AXM he actually asked for.
 

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Posted by disaster boy on :
 
....well i hope that is true because he really has a handle on her character but,

what about "kitty pryde shadows and flame" by yoshida?
 

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Posted by Mystery Lad on :
 
ASTONISHING X-MEN #13

I liked this-- though the subplots are a bit hard to pick up after all this time. Ah, well- there were some very nice COLOSSUS/KITTY scenes... and a hint of some strangeness ahead for THE BEAST. Those are the three characters I care about in this title.

I don't really believe Emma's a "real" Hellfire Club stalwart again. Either she's there against her will, or she's faking- on some level.
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
But holy crap, what a shocker of a last page!
 

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Posted by legionadventureman on :
 
Could it be Mastermind? I remember when Jean Grey/Phoenix really zapped it to him when he tried messing with her emotions...
 

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Posted by Caliente on :
 
I reeeeeeeally liked this issue. A lot, a lot, a lot. For a few reasons.

First of all, Kitty and Piotr are finally validated! They've danced around each other and their relationship status has been in limbo for, God... I don't want to think about how long. It's, like, finally real and undeniable. And that makes me happy.

Also, I really enjoyed the explanation for WHY EMMA BECAME AN X-MAN. As some of you might've noticed, I'm not exactly what you would call a Morrison fan (though I did enjoy his JLA). But, of the things he did, what especially pissed me off was Emma becoming an X-Man. It's so... not who she was by any stretch of the imagination. Teacher, yes. But hero in a very upfront and in-your-face way? Not so much. Oh!! And the thing with her secondary mutation was particularly interesting as well.

Additionally, I really liked seeing Logan torturing, er, instructing the students. And the scene with Hank and Scott was just... awesome. Of the original five, I really like that those two are still shown as friends who just... understand each other. I wish they'd do that more with Bobby instead of constantly character assassinating him.

As for the last page. Ew. Ew, ew, ew, ew, EW!! Sooooo gross. Like, damn. That was the thing I hated most about Morrison's run for sure. >< Plus the art was kinda freaky/weird and I'm more than a little disturbed. Yeeeeah...
 

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Originally posted by Caliente:
I reeeeeeeally liked this issue. A lot, a lot, a lot. For a few reasons.

First of all, Kitty and Piotr are finally validated! They've danced around each other and their relationship status has been in limbo for, God... I don't want to think about how long. It's, like, finally real and undeniable. And that makes me happy.

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So Peter is finally over that Zsaji chick he was mooning over during that SECRET WARS mini-series? About time, too!
 

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Posted by Caliente on :
 
Hah! Pete's been over her for a looong time. I think he dated Callisto after that, actually. >< {I can't remember if it was before or after.} But I know Petey had a thing for Rogue about 80 issues ago or so, was kinda insane for a while before that, and then there was that whole dying thing...

...yeah.
 

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Posted by legionadventureman on :
 

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Hah! Pete's been over her for a looong time. I think he dated Callisto after that, actually. >< {I can't remember if it was before or after.} But I know Petey had a thing for Rogue about 80 issues ago or so, was kinda insane for a while before that, and then there was that whole dying thing...

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callisto...with the eye-patch...yikes.
 

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Posted by Caliente on :
 
I know!! Scary!!!! (What an ironic graemlin...)

It was after the Siege Perillous (I can't spell) thingy. Petey had no memory and was an artist, I think... >.> I don't really care to delve deeper.
 

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Posted by legionadventureman on :
 
As for Rogue (aside: what's her real name?) - I know she can't help herself, but she could kill the relationship even after she gets to first base...
 

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Posted by Caliente on :
 
Well, they found out that Rogue could touch Piotr when he was in metal form (yes, chucking continuity out the door, but whatever), so... yeah. She didn't really like him back, though, he was more infatuated with her. (I think she was with Gambit as per the usual.) It never amounted to anything, though, and he killed himself about a year and a half later.

Oh, and her name's Anna Raven. No, I don't like it either.
 

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Posted by legionadventureman on :
 
You know, that sounds too similar to Mystique's alias (Raven Darkholme) to be just a coincidence...
 

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Posted by Caliente on :
 
It's not, Mystique did raise Rogue. Anyway, it was just another dumb thing that came out of Claremont's X-Treme run. Personally, I'm not a fan, but... What're you gonna do?
 

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Posted by legionadventureman on :
 
Possibly do a ZERO HOUR and retcon the entire X-MAN run - and start again from scratch?
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Following Piotr's break-up with Kitty in the Mid-80's, he had a brief thing with Callisto after losing his powers/memories in the Siege Perilous storyline and Callisto having her face transformed by Masque so she looked like a human. Thus, I don't think Peter knew who she was. He was just an artist in Manhattan then. When the Shadow King reverted him to Colossus, that relationship (if indeed, it was) was never mentioned ever again.

Petey had some back and forth with Kitty over the course of the 90's in Excalibur, but nothing really came of it. He spent many years with the Acolytes so we never saw him.

The Rogue thing occurred when Claremont had his return (which was dreadful) and was mentioned like five times though never really ever shown. When he died, it was forgotten and has never been mentioned since--a good thing, b/c as Cali said, it threw continuity out the window and didn't work.

I'm loving the return of Astonishing X-Men. I can't for the life of me see how anyone could think the other two X-books could compete with this one. It's in a whole other league.
 

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Posted by Reboot on :
 
So, why was the room dark? After all, Match's flaming and non-flame-offable head was shown casting a glow in closeup'n'all...
 

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Posted by Disaster Boy on :
 
number 14s been out for a couple weeks now..

i liked it. but what the hell is going on? is emma evil or playing both sides...like she usually is. either way somebody needs to kick her ass. (and i like her)

and can anyone complete the roster of the new hellfire club. who/what are "perfection" and "nagasonic teenage warhead"

and why is a "teenage" warhead in the hellfire club.

kitty and peter finally together!!!

astonishing x-men lately, reminds me of claremonts first run with paul smith.

what's with the "bug room" did i miss something?
 

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Posted by Dev Em on :
 

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First of all, Kitty and Piotr are finally validated! They've danced around each other and their relationship status has been in limbo for, God... I don't want to think about how long. It's, like, finally real and undeniable. And that makes me happy.

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I saw this book at the local Borders and laughed out loud at Wolverines comment to them. The whole page just struck me as funny.
 

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Posted by Mystery Lad on :
 
ASTONISHING X-MEN #15

Whedon's really dragging out the is-she-or-isn't-she aspect of the Emma storyline, isn't he? I'm ready for a big reveal, after the build-up. Colossus should've known about Shaw's power, shouldn't he? That rang a little hollow, for me. The Beast/Wolverine scenes were funny-- with Hank reduced to savage animalism and Wolverine mentally de-aged to a little boy. Cute. Kitty's the dependable shoulders upon which the story's solution is clearly going to hinge.

A good read, but very much a middle-issue.
 

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Posted by Monkey Eater Lad on :
 
Loved the parallel with the first Hellfire Club story, and Kitty as bad ass is a nice contrast with her first apearances as the newbie. Colossus got his metal bum handed to him the last time be Shaw, but I guess the idea here was that Shaw pushed too many of Colossus' buttons. Was Emma playing tricks on Cyclops or do you think he really doesn't need his visor anymore?
 

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Posted by Lightning Lad on :
 
Sorry if some of the dates in this thread are out of order but I combined four separate Astonishing threads into this one.

And the reason for all this work? According to Warren Ellis' post today to his e-mail group it appears he and Simone Bianchi are taking over the title. Haven't seen this news yet anywhere else so I don't know if the announcement is official yet. But this may be the one thing that'll keep me getting the title after Whedon leaves.
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
I'd say it's official--

Newsarama: SDCC'07: Warren Ellis Does Astonishing X-Men

CBR: CCI: The Art of Astonishment: BIANCHI TALKS "ASTONISHING X-MEN"


and The Pulse: SDCC: Ellis & Bianchi on Astonishing X-Men

[edit note: just helping Pov with his linking issues ]

[ July 28, 2007, 10:00 PM: Message edited by: Lightning Lad ]
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 


--WTF is X-23 doing in that image?!
 

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Posted by Lightning Lad on :
 
I would hope Ellis would kill her off quick. I just don't get the appeal of Wolverine, Jr.
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
One could hope, but it's unfortunately unlikely to happen...

(And hey, what linking issues?! I thought I tested all three links when I previewed before posting... )
 

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Posted by Lightning Lad on :
 
The second link had three http's.
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
D'OH! :Homer:
 

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Posted by Reboot on :
 

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NRAMA: Everyone wants to know -- who's on the X-men team you're writing, and why?

WE: Oh, no, Chris. Way too early for that yet. Joss' final story has yet to play out, and I've yet to settle on my own core team.

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Thought I'd point that out.
 

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Posted by Caliente on :
 
Yeah and Bianchi said he has yet to see a script. I get the feeling it's just a promo sketch to show his drawing chops.

But, ahhh! I'm so excited. I dunno how the book itself will be, but I love Ellis and (most of) his stuff. Woo!

[ July 29, 2007, 12:20 AM: Message edited by: Caliente ]
 

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Posted by Uranus Lad on :
 
Wow, this thread has been lost for a while eh? As usual, it's been a while between issues. Don't really know when the next one comes out but that's the thing with the quality books, they're rarely on time. And I would assume this might be the climax issue

.I love Whedon as a writer, I hope he keeps doing comics after his X-Men run is over (Besides Buffy et al.). Imagine: Whedon and Cassidy on Legion, now that would really trip my trigger!

So as to the above rumor. Has there been any more new info on Ellis writing this title? I Googled a little but didn't find much. I'm an Ellis fan and it would keep me reading an x-title. If not for Morrison and now Whedon, I wouldn't have picked one up since the 80's.
 

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Posted by Reboot on :
 
Hey, it's so late they've given up on waiting and just blown the ending in Uncanny X-Men. No wonder it's not getting talked about.
 

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Posted by Stealth on :
 
I don't follow UXM, and I wait for the trades with AXM. Is it true that...

Click Here For A Spoiler...Kitty is dead??
 

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Posted by Reboot on :
 
Yes.

And either Cyclops is a Skrull, or Brubaker's never even heard of a lengthy run of X-Factor.
 

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Posted by Language Arts Lad on :
 
My first reaction to this:

Click Here For A Spoiler...Kitty is dead??


was that if it was true, and it was a lasting truth, then I'll never have to pick up another issue of any Xmen comic ever again.

Than I remembered that, except for John Proudstar, when it comes to death there are no lasting truths with the Xmen. It all stared with Professor X back in the late '60's.

She'll be back.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Whedon's entire run has been underwhelming since #6, and this is just plain lame.
 

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Posted by Chemical King on :
 
Exactly my opinion, CoKi - the Danger Room becoming an entity was so ridiculous, i just couldn't get why Comic press like Wizard still celebrated that book. The whole idea was so lame...

Death in X-Men was always a two-sided sword. Some of the best issues I remember dealt with the death of a character, like Ilyana dying way back. By bringing them all back, they devaluate their books from the beginning. If XXX ist dead, the book can never have the same effect it had in the 70s or 80s cause everybody today knows that some wirter will bring him or her back somewhen in the future... so why bother?
 

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Posted by Set on :
 

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Originally posted by Uranus Lad: I love Whedon as a writer, I hope he keeps doing comics after his X-Men run is over (Besides Buffy et al.). Imagine: Whedon and Cassidy on Legion, now that would really trip my trigger!

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Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
Whedon's entire run has been underwhelming since #6, and this is just plain lame.

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Originally posted by Set:
he has the most amazing talent I've seen to construct a heroic complicated fascinating character and then, like a child ripping wings off of a fly, tear them down into an unlikable, unheroic, depressed and lifeless shell of their former selves.

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Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
I know there are many Whedon fans on this board, but I have to say that to date, nothing he's ever done has impressed me that much. Then again, my Buffy and Angel viewing has been extremely spotty at best,

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