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Well I finally read #3. Barry the art looks amazing! You were born to draw technology it seems. Infact I really want to see Iron Man (not tony) guest star to see you draw him!
Zobos sound pretty funny yet a good name for a nemesis. Like the fact the Fraction works California stuff in there. Maybe Marvel should fly you and Matt out to California for a month to "research". Do the LA area and San Francisco. You need to get a "feel" for it!
Love the hi-tech aspect of things so far. With Marvel getting rid of mutants I thought they were going to dwindle the superhuman community totally. But here we got about a dozen people with powers. Are they all tech related? I hope so. Wouldn't mind some more hi-tech explanations behind the powers. With nano-technology in a comic book universe anything is possible.
This series rocks. Wouldn't mind them running into some WCA foes like the Nightshift, etc.
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Legion Worlder's Unite! Buy this book now! It has our fan fave Barry Kitson and a writer who is quickly making a big name for himself. Matt Fraction is writing two of the best Marvel titles right now!
This issue focuses on Veda. Maybe the most apparent example that Fraction is truly modeling this on a mythic pantheon. Well I think that started way back when in Civil War.
Veda is the "Gaea" of the team, Mother Earth. She can make rock men (golem like) out of the earth. She calls them her children. More importantly she's not a cliche. Her story reminds me of a alternative Wonder Woman. Very well done.
More Zobos. We learn someone is targeting the Order. Who? They give a number of major Marvel villains as suspects.
Muholland uses her psychic powers to talk to Avona's ghost. Interesting. Hellrung and Stark have a good chat. There IS a sex tape but so far it's not being handled like a cliche. Calamity suprises us with his...quest? Heavy turns out to be not just muscle (he only got a few lines but they are good ones).
Fraction has the ability to make all these guys sound unique and different. You think the character arc is going one way and then you are pleasently suprised. Kind like Johns does on JSA (imo).
Barry's art as usual is amazing. LOTS of details here kids. Lots of tech as well. The tech stuff reminds me a bit of Bob Layton for all of you Iron Man fans. (would LOVE to see Layton ink Kitson on this)
It's a Marvel book but it's not. So it should make Marvel & DC fans happy.
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quote:Originally posted by Wild Jorge: Hellrung and Stark have a good chat.
It would be quite interesting if Stark's little pre-fab heroes ended up with a stronger moral sense than he himself has displayed in the last year or so, and it led to conflict and drama.
How does the preachy moralistic parent react when his 'children' turn out to be better people than he has become and remind him what 'hero' actually means?
Or has Stark's psych-profiling carefully chosen 'damaged goods' (such as ex-alcoholic party-boy Hellrung, or the overly public partiers that he had to 'fire' in the first issues) to avoid this very thing, as Stark has learned from Captain America that he can't 'count on' people that he can't bribe, blackmail, intimidate or otherwise ruin and destroy, financially and / or socially?
It's fairly unlikely that his initial profiling let those first ones he had to fire 'slip through,' out of the thousands of potential applicants, which suggests that Stark is deliberately selecting for people who are flawed and whom he may be able to control through their exploitable flaws.
Or his 'profiling' sucks and is biased towards drunken frat-boys with a tendency to get into trouble. Also a possibility, since he might not recognize that as 'flawed,' given his own history with the sauce.
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Set, it depends what book you read with Tony. He's a fascist in one book and a hero in another. I don't mind his tough love hero approach but Marvel has been inconsistent with it. Hellrung appears to be a better adjusted Tony.
As for the profiling? Yeah I question that. Shouldn't these people be trained SHIELD agents? Why they pick celebrities or wanna be celebrities? Part of Stark's PR? Anyone who is trained properly can be a superhero?
As for Barry's comments; I didn't even think of the Skrull stuff affecting The Order! We have tons of characters running around atleast ONE of them has to be a Skrull.
(speaking of Skrull's...anoyone remember Effigy? The Skrull Lost Gen hero? It would be cool if he was an imposter but on the side of the angels...double agent skrull)
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quote:Originally posted by Wild Jorge: [QB] Set, it depends what book you read with Tony. He's a fascist in one book and a hero in another. I don't mind his tough love hero approach but Marvel has been inconsistent with it.
True. Ever since he mind-jobbed Green Goblin into killing an Atlantean diplomat to start a war with Atlantis so that he could rack in some war profiteering on the side, he's been firmly un-savable for me. The whole cloning-Thor thing even managed to retcon and make him into a villain over a decade ago, willing to violate his own team-mates.
But I do see some writers at Marvel futiley attempting to save the character by having him act like a hero, only to have Bendis and crew yank him firmly back into fascist dictator mode.
It's gonna take a writer far better than anyone they have on staff to turn Iron Man back into a hero, and it increasingly looks like they'll have to do it over Quesada and Bendis' dead bodies.
quote: As for the profiling? Yeah I question that. Shouldn't these people be trained SHIELD agents? Why they pick celebrities or wanna be celebrities? Part of Stark's PR? Anyone who is trained properly can be a superhero?
As for Barry's comments; I didn't even think of the Skrull stuff affecting The Order! We have tons of characters running around atleast ONE of them has to be a Skrull.
Good point, and it would explain the profiling thing if the people in charge of the profiling were Skrulls, making sure that America's next generation of heroes where useless or co-opted right from the start!
Pepper Pots is on my short list. A supporting character abandoned *twenty years ago* suddenly back in the picture and an important part of Tony's life? Yeah, that's not suspicious at all.
quote: (speaking of Skrull's...anoyone remember Effigy? The Skrull Lost Gen hero? It would be cool if he was an imposter but on the side of the angels...double agent skrull)
I give absolutely zero chance of that being remembered or used. Continuity is Kryptonite at Marvel these days.
The absolute best thing that I could be saying about this series a year from now is that the execution was comparable to Strikeforce: Morituri, a team of heroes fated to only serve for a short time, and desperate to make their mark in the time they had.
Right now I'm buying it out of loyalty to Barry.
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Set, good point about the Tony/Green Goblin Atlantis thing. I have a feeling it will be revealed Tony is not responsible for this and someone framed him. Yeah there are more obvious ways to frame him but that is why it will be such a good frame job. It's so sublte. But that's an Iron Man post so I will stop there.
PEPPER POTTS! I agree. Busiek actually brought her and Happy back from a nice comic book limbo life in the burbs. Why?! Happy is dead and she became Oracle/Hera. She has to be a Skrull. I like what Fraction did with her. Paired her with Hellrung instead of still being a Stark love interest. She is a perfect candidate to be a skrull.
Regarding continuity, Marvel & Effigy. The original continuity is shaky at best. It's Byrne's Lost Generation maxi-series. I don't think that's in continuity anyways. I was just being hopeful. He was one of the few characters I liked from the series.
In Avengers Initiative it looks like they will be rotating the main cast and I like it. I don't mind it if the Order does the same. Ofcourse I love most of the team.
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quote:Originally posted by Wild Jorge: PEPPER POTTS! I agree. Busiek actually brought her and Happy back from a nice comic book limbo life in the burbs.
My sekrit reason for wanting Pepper Pots to be a Skrull (and then go away) is because I miss Tony's old assistant, Mrs. Arbogast. She was snarky, like a female Alfred.
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lol, Set I loved Mrs. Arbogast and was going to reference her in my own post. But if I wrote Iron Man I wouldn't bring Mrs. Arbogast back for the sake of progress. I WOULD have her just as snarky hot niece Ms. Arbogast work as receptionist for Tony. See? Progress.
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So I'm starting to become a real fan of this book. It took me three pages to realize Barry didn't draw it. I was so excited about the story I didn't pay attention to the art. My bad!
I really like the Black Dahlia's. Matt is bringing some California folklore into the mix. Personally I love all that old pulp Cali stuff.
Can't wait for next issue.
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Hi Jorge Glad you're still enjoying it! And that it took you a few pages to realise Kharu helped out - that was really the idea with my doing the breakdowns for him to keep the story telling style the same. You can see some of the thumbnails at
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