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NB: Barbara Gordon thread, for discussion of the 2011 DCnU series, is here!

This post is spoiler-free! Click Here For A SpoilerSort of! *tee-hee* [Wink]

Okay, I haven't read this yet, but I flipped through it--and was very pleased to see who's wearing the cowl this time! I'd been thinking about the possibilities as this series was teased and decided who the person I'd most like to see in the costume would be. Turned out, my wish was granted! That was enough to convince me to buy the issue, at least, and I'll wager it'll keep me onboard for a few issues if the story and art are up to par. Like I said, haven't read it yet, but I think we're okay in the art department.

Whattaya think?

Note to moderators: I searched existing topics for an appropriate place for this post, but the other Batgirl-related topics seemed a bad fit. Feel free to move this if you disagree.

[ October 09, 2011, 07:16 AM: Message edited by: Reboot ]

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Ah come on, spoil it, will ya?

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I kinda did--and you kinda are! [Big Grin]

Seriously, check out Newsarama if you're curious...and you'll get the joke, too! [Big Grin]

EDIT: maybe Arachne is playing along? [Hmmm?]

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Ah, I think I understand. [Smile]

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Yeah, me too. If so, good choice... at least it's not Misfit... [Shudder]

[AHHHH!!!!] "DAAAAARK VEENGEEAAANCE!!" [Roll Eyes]

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Does anyone want to link me to the Newsarama article so I can get what y'all are saying?

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Here's the Newsarama article.

I didn't get it until I read the article, then it was oh, of course! I'm not very familiar with that particular character, but the series sounds promising. They always sound promising at the start, though.

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But waitaminnnit... Click Here For A SpoilerDidn't Steph die when she was Robin? I thought Black Mask pulled a Joker with her... How was that explained, another Jason Todd-type revival? [Hmmm?]

Obviously I missed something. [Roll Eyes] Big surprise... [Big Grin]

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quote:
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But waitaminnnit... Click Here For A SpoilerDidn't Steph die when she was Robin? I thought Black Mask pulled a Joker with her... How was that explained, another Jason Todd-type revival? [Hmmm?]

Obviously I missed something. [Roll Eyes] Big surprise... [Big Grin]

Click Here For A SpoilerI forget where (I think in Robin) but they brought her back saying she didn't die, just severely hurt. Leslie Tompkinson was taking care of her for a year.

[ August 24, 2009, 09:25 PM: Message edited by: Quislet, Esq. ]

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Ah. Thanks! [Big Grin]

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Oh her, that's a pleasant suprise!

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>>>Spoilers below<<<

Having finally read the first issue last week, I'm definitely going to buy # 2. Beyond that, it depends on how good #2 is and so on.

That said, issue one was not anything spectacular, but I thought the art was really nice--kind of a Staz Johnson/Barry Kitson feel to it with a touch of Alan Davis to the faces. Not a whole lot happened with the story. It was mostly Steph struggling between costumed vigilantism as kind of an addiction and her promises to Tim and her mom to try to live a normal life.

Barbara Gordon has a subplot and that sub also entwines with Wendy Harris, late of the Teen Titans title. Those two characters have something very obvious in common, so it'll be interesting to see where it goes.

There were points during the two action sequences in which I got confused a little. In the car race sequence, I wasn't sure whether it was Steph or the observing Batman and Robin who threw a batarang. It certainly didn't seem like Steph had from the angle that was shown. During the hostage sequence, Steph's mouthpiece appeared and disappeared. Pretty sure that was a coloring mistake. There were also points where I thought the narration might have switched to someone else.

Despite all these problems, I know the series has a lot of potential. I never really dug the Cassandra Cain version of the character. I guess it was how she started out mute and kind of a cypher then got kind of an implausible fix to her being able to vocalize. I gave up on that series fast! I'm sure it probably got better later to have such a long run, but I just wasn't patient enough.

Stephanie is definitely a Batgirl I can get behind. I was a bigtime fan of the character during Dixon's classic run on Robin. Often, I found myself more interested in what was up with Steph than with Tim! After Chuck, she got treated really badly and was even killed off, so it's good to see such a great character get a second chance.

It also seems pretty obvious that they are slowly changing Steph's costume from the one she inherits from Cassandra. From comments about taking on sewing to the removal of the mouthpiece, it's clear they'll be working in new design elements. That's a good thing because I hated Cassandra's costume! More yellow seems to be in the works, and that's a step in the right direction IMO. Personally, I'd like to see her bring back the bat symbol with the yellow circle surrounding it--it was among her doodles shown.

My only fear is that the creators may possible have a bait-and-switch in mind here. The presense of Barabara and Wendy and their driven portrayals here make me wonder if someone else may be wearing the cowl before long. Especially with how reckless Stephanie is shown in this issue. I think Barbara shouldn't ever revert to Batgirl any more than Dick Grayson should revert back to Robin.

So this book has potential. If Miller and Garbett stay onboard awhile, I can see this becoming a very cool title as long as they get some of the bugs out. Hopefully, issue 2 will build on what they started here.

[ September 09, 2009, 07:52 PM: Message edited by: LardLad ]

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I haven't read #2 (if its even out) but I have to say I was also pleasantly surprised. Out of all the candidates, this was the one I liked the most, though I did like her status quo before.

The issue was good but it will take some subsequent issues of higher quality to keep me.

But for someone bored and annoyed at the current shift in the Bat status-quo, I'm intrigued by the new Batgirl.

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#2 ain't out yet, Des. It's on DC's schedule for next Wednesday. Glad somebody else here is picking it up and enjoying it so far.

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Well Lardy, what was your decision?

Ultimately, I think #3 is my last issue. While I personally love Stephanie and wanted to give the series a fair shot, I just am not convinced its good enough for me to stay on. I read a lot of titles, like you do, and each one really needs to grab me these days, especially if I'm already annoyed at the current state of the Batverse. Still, if anyone were to tell me five months from now: "man, #8 was fantastic, it had ___ and ___ and you're really missing out!", I might come back. But for now, not really.

I wish Tim was Robin and Steph was back in his comic again though as the Spoiler. Before they got all stupid and goofy with their characters (not just the current Batverse, but Steph as Robin IV and her unsurprising crappy death).

Also, while I found the new cop character interesting, I found Barbara to be hella-annoying here. I'm a huge Babs fan so I can't quite put my finger on it, but I was almost breezing through her scenes because of it.

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