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Did I tell you guys I dropped COUNTDOWN? Well, I got sick of the $12 it was sucking from my wallet monthly and dropped it as of December. So that freed up a li'l cash. I put $6 into savings and decided to spend $6 on Salvation Run # 1 and 2.
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Now THIS could be the REAL "Secret Society of Super-Villains". Seems like our government is dumping super-vllains all higgeldy-piggeldy into this other-dimensional hellworld type place, leaving them to survive or die on their own. That itself is an interesting enough premise, but looks like something ELSE is observing these villains in action.
So I'm definitely onboard here.
Only gripe:
The frekin' JOKER canNOT, I repeat, CANNOT kill PSIMON. You know, Psimon who has battled and nearly destroyed both the Titans and Outsiders? The Joker CAN'T kill him. Gawd, I hate the Joker...
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MLLASH - We are SOOOOOOOOOOOO on the same page re: the Joker!
I freakin' HATE that character and the way DC have been over-using and over-using and over-using him over the last few years is driving me insane! He practically appears in more books than Batman does these days!
As for Salvation Run - I've actually been quite enjoying this book. Weird, because I won't touch anything else Countdown related. But my love for obscure DCU villains wouldn't let me pass this one up. (Shame most of them are probably going to die though! )
Loved the first issue with the Rogues spotlight and would've loved issue #2 but for two things - the pimpage of the Body Doubles who are two villainess' I can seriously do without and the scene with Joker and Psimon - without a doubt the WORST written scene I have read in a comic in probably the last 2-3 years!
My problem, however, is not with the fact that a weakling character like the Joker could take down the *INFINITELY* more powerful Psimon (because the idea is just so ludicrous that I'm sure the event has to be a fake-out by the Titans villain... right?!?) and not with the fact that the Joker had to give the most hideously scripted speech I've read in ages while he did it, but that the vast crowd of other CUT-THROAT, HARDENED, EVIL villains assembled witnessing this attack (99% of whom were also all vastly more powerful than the Joker) would not then just strike him down dead where he stands for being the unhinged, lunatic, threat to all of their own survival that he is - and would instead run around in fear calling him "Sir" and promising to get him drinks and whatever else he needs as if he holds some type of power over them! I mean - WHAT?!?
What dreck writing! Bill Willingham is a writer with very obvious talents but also very obvious flaws IMO (I recently dropped his Fables because the flaws were beginning to out-weigh the talents I thought) and I like Salvation Run enough to continue with it. But another scene like that Joker/Psimon one and....
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I feel about Luthor the way y'all do about Joker... at least in terms of overuse. Has Joker really been overused in the last bit? I know he was for awhile, but I thought he'd been allowed to 'cool' for a bit. I don't read the Bat titles, though, except for Nightwing, and maybe Robin since Batista's on board.
If Joker and Luthor are 'rested' for awhile, they can be used in fresh, interesting stories.
I haven't picked up the new SALVATION RUN, but the scene you describe does sound awful.
From: Knoxville, TN | Registered: Jul 2003
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I completely agree re: Luthor too Mystery Lad. WAY over-exposed!
He gets a *slight* pass from me for being (re-)re-invented from a boring evil businessman to a power-suit wearing super-villain recently though which at least means his stories have had a slightly different flavour to them of late.
Would still be more than happy to see both he and the Joker permanently six-feet-undered though!
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I agree that I would like Salvation Run much much more if it didn't have Joker and Luthor.
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See, Luthor gets a pass from me as well, primarily because unlike the Joker, he isn't a homicidal maniac killer (that I'm aware of anyway-- until 52, I guess). Where as the Joker has mercilessly murdered thousands over the years while the Bat-family continues to coddle him. That he even allows Joker to live makes me incapable of reading any Batman comic or respecting the Batman character.
And don't hand me that "but if I kill him I'm no better than he is" bull$#!t, Batwimp. The blood of ALL his victims is on your hands.
I seriously hope Kid Karnevil (a villain from early SHADOWPACT issues) makes good his threat to Joker, but I'm sure Joker will end up killing him, too...
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^^^ It's funny. I wasn't all that impressed with Kid Karnevil when we met him in Shadowpact but one page of him threatening to disembowel the Joker and suddenly he's my favourite new villain of 2007! I'm easy like that.
Shame he is totally gonna get killed to remind us all how awesome the Joker is though...
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I don't agree with Lash that there's any blood on Batman's hands (after all, once he's caught, they could just kill him via the death penalty), but I agree that for the longest time he was waaaay over exposed. There's been a slight cool down lately, but not enough to rid me of my Joker boredom (I admit, however, that he looks hella-kewl in the upcoming Bat-movie!).
Luthor too.
Hell, Darkseid too. Honestly, I need a minimum TEN year waiting period for the next Darkseid story.
I'm still waiting for Dr. Light to catch a Hawkman mace to the face above all other villains too.
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The numbers certainly bear that out. The debut issue of Salvation Run - one of the publisher’s major announcements at San Diego and the best-selling of the nine Countdown spin-off books in November - barely managed to pass 40,000 units. Plainly, that’s not remotely satisfying.
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57 - SALVATION RUN 11/2007: Salvation Run #1 of 7 — 40,531
This latest Countdown spin-off by writer Bill Willingham and artist Sean Chen was DC’s big launch for November, as well as one of the publisher’s major announcements at the San Diego comics convention. Suffice it to say, the fact that it just barely manages to crack the 40k mark - despite a 1-for-10 variant cover edition, one should add - is a huge disappointment.
Surprisingly, the solicitations no longer list Willingham as the book’s writer past issue #3, so it seems he’s got better things to do. You can’t blame him. In theory, a high-profile event title certainly seems like a sensible career choice for a critically acclaimed creator about to achieve a higher level of popularity in the direct market. But this one’s clearly a dud, so if that’s what they had in mind with Salvation Run, it may have backfired.
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Willingham's not finishing the mini? Since he left SHADOWPACT, what else does he have to do besides FABLES? Who will take up the reigns? Interesting.
Cobie, I dunno, maybe whatever state Gotham is in doesn't have a death penalty. Whatever. A world that allows the Joker to live deserves everything it gets (and YES, I'm looking at YOU TOO, SALVATION RUN villain hellworld!!) All I know is my hatred of the Joker is irrational, and begins around the time of "The Killing Joke".
Yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing Dr. Light take a mace to the head either... one from Hawkman, one from Hawkgirl...
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DC let GrayPal revamp some no name villains in HAWKMAN. Gail Simone did the same in VILLAINS UNITED. Let's put Joker, Luthor, and the concept of anit-Justice League/Society/Titans to bed for awhile.
I like Dr Light being the @$$hole he is right now- he's a BAD GUY! Let's have Psimoon step up and start controlling some minds and making a real threat. Play up Captain cold's ambition a little more, not just hating the Flash.
That's what I was hoping we'd see out of Salvation Run.
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CATWOMAN's sales numbers are circling the drain, and next month she's being sent to the SR planet... I'm waiting for the "Last Issue" solicit every time I place my DCBS order...
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