A round typically involved each voter ranking their Top 10, 15, 20, 25 Legionnaires, with #10 getting 5 points, #9 getting 7 points, and so on.
The results of Reboot Legion Idol had a few surprises - Kinetix, Monstress, Dreamer and Apparition all made the Top 12, while Cosmic Boy and Kid Quantum II were among the first eliminated, a big surprise for those following Future's recent Multiverse Survivor game.
Preboot Legion Idol was even more surprising - the Top 5 were, in order, the White Witch, Bouncing Boy, Brainiac 5, Chemical King and Shrinking Violet. Nightwind bagged 7th, Spider-Girl 11th, while several Adventure Era stalwarts like Lightning Lad, Ultra Boy, Sun Boy, Shadow Lass and Lightning Lass didn't even make the Top 20.
I know we've just had two games end, but it'll be interesting to compare the results, right?
I'd like to thank Future for the list from his excellent Survivor Game; we'll be using it (plus a few additions) for this game too.
The list covers the ff. realities:
Preboot Postboot Threeboot Glorithverse (5YL) Retroboot (current) SW6 Dead Earth Legion Legion 1 Million Superboy's Legion Smallville DC Animated Universe Legion Toon
Anti-Lad Beppo Blok Bouncing Boy Brainiac 5 Chameleon Boy Chemical King Colossal Boy Comet Command Kid Cosmic Boy Dawnstar Dream Girl Dynamo Boy Elastic Lad (Jimmy Olsen) Element Lad Ferro Lad Insect Queen (Lana Lang) Invisible Kid I Invisible Kid II Karate Kid Kid Psycho Krypto Light(ning) Lass Lightning Lad Magnetic Kid Matter-Eater Lad Mon-el Nemesis Kid Pete Ross Phantom Girl Polar Boy Princess Projectra/ Sensor Girl Proty II Quislet Rond Vidar Saturn Girl Shadow Lass Shrinking Violet Star Boy Streaky Sun Boy Sun Boy Superboy Supergirl Tellus Timber Wolf Triplicate Girl / Duo Damsel Tyroc Ultra Boy White Witch Wildfire
(Postboot)
Andromeda Apparition Brainiac 5 Chameleon Chuck Taine Cosmic Boy Dreamer Element Lad Ferro Gates Gear Inferno (Sandy Anderson) Invisible Kid Karate Kid Kid Quantum I Kid Quantum II Kinetix Leviathan Live Wire Magno M'Onel Monstress Saturn Girl Sensor (Shrinking) Violet/ LeViathan Shikari Spark Star Boy Superboy (Kon-el) Thunder Timber Wolf Triad Ultra Boy Umbra Wildfire XS
(Threeboot)
Atom Girl Brainiac 5 Chameleon Colossal Boy/ Micro Lad Cosmic Boy Dream Boy Dream Girl Element Lad Gazelle Invisible Kid Karate Kid Light Lass Lightning Lad Mon-el Night Girl Phantom Girl Princess Projectra Saturn Girl Shadow Lass Sizzle Star Boy Sun Boy Supergirl Theena Timber Wolf Triplicate Girl Turtle Ultra Boy
(Glorithverse)
Atmos Bloodclaw Bouncing Boy Bounty entity Brainiac 5 Calamity King Chameleon Boy Chlorophyll Kid Color Kid Colossal Boy Cosmic Boy Crystal Kid Dawnstar Dream Girl Duo Damsel Echo Element Lad Fire Lad Firefist Flederweb Impulse (Kent Shakespeare) Infectious Lass Invisible Kid II Karate Kid II Kono Laurel Gand Lightning Lad (Proty) Lightning Lass Matter-Eater Lad Mon-el Neon (Celeste Rockfish) Nightwind Polar Boy Porcupine Pete Queen Projectra Reflecto Reflex (Devlin O'Ryan) Rond Vidar Saturn Girl Shadow Lass Shrinking Violet Spider-Girl Star Boy Stone Boy Storm Boy Sun Boy Timber Wolf Tyroc Ultra Boy Veilmist Visi-Lad White Witch Wildfire
(SW6)
Alchemist Andromeda Apparition Bouncing Boy Brainiac 5 Catspaw Chameleon Boy Computo Cosmic Boy Dragonmage Dream Girl Ferro Gossamer Inferno Invisible Kid Karate Kid Kid Quantum Leviathan Live Wire Matter-Eater Lad Princess Projectra Saturn Girl Shrinking Violet Star Boy Triad Ultra Boy Valor
(Retroboot)
Black Witch Blok Bouncing Boy Brainiac 5 Chameleon Boy Chameleon Girl Chemical Kid Colossal Boy Comet Queen Cosmic Boy Dawnstar Dragonwing Dream Girl Duplicate Damsel Element Lad Gates Glorith Harmonia Li Invisible Kid II Karate Kid Lightning Lad Lightning Lass Matter-Eater Lad Mon-el Night Girl Phantom Girl Polar Boy Quislet Rond Vidar Saturn Girl Sensor Girl Shadow Lass Shrinking Violet Star Boy Sun Boy Superman Tellus Timber Wolf Tyroc Ultra Boy Wildfire
(Dead Earth Legion)
Argent Graft Lodestone Magno Boy Membrain Metrox Nervosa Phase Shape Shift Silverwing Triad III Triplicate Wildfire
(Legion 1,000,000)
Brainiac 417 Cosmicbot Implicate Girl Superboy The Chameleon The Dreamer The M'Onelves The Umbra Titangirl Wildflame
(Superboy's Legion)
Bouncing Boy Brainiac 5 Chameleon Boy Colossal Boy Cosmic Boy Element Lad Ferro Lad Invisible Kid Karate Kid Light Lass Lightning Lad Phantom Girl Saturn Girl Sensor Shadow Lass Shrinking Violet Star Boy Sun Boy Superboy Ultra Boy
(Smallville)
Brainiac 5 Clark Kent Cosmic Boy Lightning Lad Saturn Girl
(DC Animated Universe)
Andromeda Bouncing Boy Brainiac 5 Chameleon Boy Cosmic Boy Kid Quantum Phantom Girl Saturn Girl Supergirl
(Legion Animated)
Blok Bouncing Boy Brainiac 5 Chameleon Boy Colossal Boy Cosmic Boy Dawnstar Dream Girl Element Lad Ferro Lad Karate Kid Lightning Lad Matter-Eater Lad Nemesis Kid Phantom Girl Saturn Girl Shrinking Violet Star Boy Sun Boy Superman Superman X Timber Wolf Triplicate Girl / Duo Damsel Tyroc Ultra Boy White Witch
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Because of the immense size, I'm planning to make the first round a massive bloodbath. Each voter can vote for any number of Legionnaires on the list from 1 to 100. I could vote for just, say, Preboot Dream Girl; or I could just vote for the entire Glorithverse, as long as I vote for no more than 100 Legionnaires.
Only Legionnaires who get at least one vote will survive this round (I'm expecting we'll lose almost 1/3 of the list).
When the list gets down to about 100 Legionnaires, and we've had a lot of accumulated votes to break ties, we can use the normal ranking system to vote.
House Rules
1) Each round will last about 48 hours. 2) I'll vote at or near the start of every round to minimize bias on my part. 3) While I don't encourage changing of votes, I won't disallow them either. I'll only tally votes at the end of each round (to make it easier on myself!). I'll post on this thread the minute I start tallying to alert everyone; votes that come in after that will be ignored. 4) In case of errors in the results, I'll post a correction immediately. If anyone's vote was affected by the error, he or she will get a makeup vote next round - +15 points to give a Legionnaire of their choosing.
I'm opening this thread for discussion on the rules and on the list of Legionnaires. We've a long weekend ahead of us in the Philippines, so I'll start the actual game on November 1 or 2.
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- Looks like Sun Boy's listed twice in the preboot list - Should their be a Kid Quantum listed for the Glorithverse? (Not that I care personally, but just thought I'd ask)
I have to say there is something odd about trying to differentiate in my head a lot of the Pre-boot characters from their Retroboot counterparts. Up until a certain point, they share pretty much the same character history. Even more true with the "two" Gates.
quote:Originally posted by Xben: - Should their [sic] be a Kid Quantum listed for the Glorithverse? (Not that I care personally, but just thought I'd ask)
Yes, different history though. Here's the Help File bio for him:
quote:Kid Quantum
"James Cullen" of Antares II First appearance: Legion of Super-Heroes v4 #33 Joined Legion: (original) Undepicted; (new) Legionnaires #11 Left Legion / apparent death: (original) Undepicted Dates of Legion membership: August 15, 2973 - July 16, 2974; October 30, 2995 -
When the Protean race was discovered on Antares II in the middle of the thirtieth century, the explorers who found it also found a gold mine of historical relics and scientific knowledge. With the permission of the sentient, telepathic, shape-changers, the United Planets sent teams of archaeologists and scientists to Antares to learn what they could. Two members of this one team were Niles and Esther Cullen of Xanthu, who the Proteans considered great friends. Less friendly was Dr. Norm Eldor, who was sent to prison for stealing artifacts and notes.
But then disaster loomed: Glorith, the power-hungry empress of Baaldur, set her sights upon having a race of shape-shifters serve her, and seduced a young Protean into giving away its race's secrets. She was going to use this information to enslave the Antareans, but her plan never went through. The Proteans caught wind of it and took all their massed intelligence and placed it in a biological shell that could not change shape. The young Protean who made the mistake of talking to Glorith volunteered to animate it. This "Soul of Antares" would hide itself from Glorith until the threat had passed, and, with the help of seven Proteans who had remained sentient for this purpose, would eventually restore the race's minds. The Proteans trusted their soul to Dr. & Mrs. Cullen, who adopted the pretense that he was their son, "James."
After staying with the Cullens for about a year, James decided that the newly-formed Legion of Super-Heroes would be a better place for him. Using one of his Protean relics, a time-stasis belt that incorporated the technology of the legendary Llorn race, he applied and was accepted as Kid Quantum. But soon his secret was discovered by Glorith, and one of the Proteans warned him of the danger. He and the Protean staged a fight on Mars, where Kid Quantum pretended his belt overloaded and disintegrated him. The Legion believed him dead, and he was mourned as the first Legionnaire ever to die in the line of duty. To prevent further such incidents, the Legion instituted a rule that would deny admission to anyone whose powers are based on outside devices.
The Proteans knew he wasn't dead...but where was he? One of the Proteans manoeuvred itself into a position to be adopted by the Legion, where he became Chameleon Boy's pet, Proty, and hoped to use the Legion to locate Kid Quantum. When Proty grew attached to the Legion and eventually sacrificed his life to revive Lightning Lad,another Protean, known as Proty II, tried the same thing. But neither Lightning Lad, who now had Proty I's mind, nor Proty II, who eventually found the demeaning position of "pet" intolerable even for this purpose, were able to locate him.
Finally, in 2986, the two hit upon a plan:they hired the bored, rich, R. J. Brande to take on the search. He did so eagerly. Brande disappeared from all sight until in early 2995, when Chameleon Boy, his son, decided to track him down. He found him on the far-off world of Yal, where it turned out Kid Quantum had been hiding himself with the aid of the local authorities for all these years. After defeating the Hunter, who tried to capture him for the Dominators, with the help of the other Proteans, and a brief stopover as captives of Leland McCauley IV, he and the Protean went back to Antares and returned sentience to their people. His ship was captured by the Khunds for a while, but he was rescued by several of the younger Legionnaires. The machine that gave the Proteans their sentience back also somehow imbued in him the powers once possessed by his belt. His sin atoned and mission fulfilled, he has left Antares to become a Legionnaire once more, serving with the youthful New Earth team.
*couldn't actually open the HF there in Windows 7, and had to decompile it*
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Yeah, I knew he had a different history. I was just wondering if he had enough appearances to warrant being on IB's list. I'm not planning on voting for him or anything, though.
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Didn't do 100. I eliminated duplicates, except I kept the threeboot Colossal Boy because I liked the race of giants (created by Bizarro Brainiac) and Gim able to shrink to 6 feet high. I did eliminate Kid Quantum I and Thunder as I didn't like them.
Oh gee I have to number them now. IB, I am just going to number my top 25. The rest you can give one point each or go from the top down for the ones after 25.
(Preboot) 4) Blok Bouncing Boy Brainiac 5 5) Chameleon Boy Chemical King Colossal Boy Cosmic Boy Dawnstar Dream Girl Element Lad Ferro Lad 18) Invisible Kid I 17) Invisible Kid II Karate Kid Light(ning) Lass Lightning Lad Magnetic Kid 21) Matter-Eater Lad Mon-el Phantom Girl Polar Boy 14) Princess Projectra/ Sensor Girl 6) Quislet 15) Saturn Girl Shadow Lass Shrinking Violet Star Boy Sun Boy 13) Superboy 19) Supergirl 12) Tellus Timber Wolf Triplicate Girl / Duo Damsel Ultra Boy White Witch Wildfire
(Glorithverse) Atmos Bloodclaw Calamity King Chlorophyll Kid Color Kid Crystal Kid Echo Fire Lad Firefist Flederweb Impulse (Kent Shakespeare) 11) Infectious Lass Kono Neon (Celeste Rockfish) Nightwind Porcupine Pete Reflecto Reflex (Devlin O'Ryan) Spider-Girl Stone Boy Storm Boy Veilmist Visi-Lad
(SW6)
Catspaw 24) Computo Dragonmage
(Retroboot)
25) Chameleon Girl Chemical Kid Comet Queen Dragonwing Glorith Harmonia Li Night Girl Tyroc
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PS thanks for the bio on Kid Quantum, 'Boot!
quote:Originally posted by Xben: Yeah, I knew he had a different history. I was just wondering if he had enough appearances to warrant being on IB's list. I'm not planning on voting for him or anything, though.
Xben, the only Kid Quantums I see on the list are the SW6 and Postboot versions.
quote:Originally posted by Quislet, Esq: Didn't do 100. I eliminated duplicates, except I kept the threeboot Colossal Boy because I liked the race of giants (created by Bizarro Brainiac) and Gim able to shrink to 6 feet high. I did eliminate Kid Quantum I and Thunder as I didn't like them.
Oh gee I have to number them now. IB, I am just going to number my top 25. The rest you can give one point each or go from the top down for the ones after 25.
Thanks, Quis! Round 1 isn't starting yet, and I don't plan to have rankings for Round 1 yet either. You can change your vote if you want, though if you don't, I'll count this when I do the Round 1 tallies.
quote:Originally posted by Xben: I have to say there is something odd about trying to differentiate in my head a lot of the Pre-boot characters from their Retroboot counterparts. Up until a certain point, they share pretty much the same character history. Even more true with the "two" Gates.
I was thinking about that as well, Xben. But discussions with others made me realize that not everyone accepts the "current" Legion as the original classic one. I'll keep them separate for now. I expect most of the duplicates will be gone early, anyway; especially since I plan for us to eliminate large numbers early on and slow down only when we're down to about 100 Legionnaires.
Sorry for the confusion. I knew Kid Quantum wasn't on the Glorithverse list - I was wondering if he should be, since he was a Glorithverse character originally. I didn't notice he was on the SW6 list and I have no memory at all of him being in that group (even though I did read that run). And I hadn't read Reboot's bio carefully enough before I posted again. Anyway, it makes sense now. Sorry again.
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Oh, I get it now Xben. No worries, and thanks for pointing it out - I'm amazed by how detailed a look you took at the list to catch both this and the Sun Boy error.
Kid Quantum joined up with the SW6 group in Legionnaires 11, I think.
quote:Originally posted by Reboot: Again, no Arthurian Legion?
Ask and ye shall receive Would you mind double-checking if I got the list right?
{Arthurian Legion) Alchemist Brainiac 5 Chameleon Cosmic Boy Dragonmage Dream Girl Ferro Infectious Lass Inferno Invisible Kid I Invisible Kid II Karate Kid I Leviathan Live Wire Matter-Eater Lad Nemesis Kid Polar Boy Saturn Girl Shrinking Violet Triad Ultra Boy
Okay, I don't see Jacques at all (or Drura, FTM), and Karate Kid & Dream Girl aren't Legionnaires, just Projectra's servants.
OTOH, there are cameos of Computo, Spark [on a Moy page, shockingly ], Umbra, Andromeda (who may not be a Legionnaire) and two prominent shots - one from each artist - of a black girl with white hair in a black corset that I don't recognise.
Of course, you may have skipped over them deliberately since they ARE just cameos
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