Pssh. Wildfire's 'died' from blasting out of his containment suit in his first story arc, and has regularly had suits shredded and spent considerable amounts of time 'pulling himself together' after such incidents a half-dozen times in his history. As Doctor Manhatten once said (paraphrased), 'That's literally the first trick I ever learned, putting myself back together...'
Wildfire's as likely to 'die for real' from a suit failure as Peter Parker is to suddenly keel over dead from the radioactive spider venom that's been in his system for the last fifty some years.
It's extra ironic that he's wearing the white suit that Harvest stashed him in after the *last* time he got blasted out of his boots, during this oh-so-terribly-not-dramatic 'my suit is failing!' scene.
Maybe that's what Harvest is saying, back in the background. "You know this is, like, a temporary inconvenience for him, right?"
And Dawnstar's like, "Obviously. I'm all shocked by something happening off the cover. Drake'll be fine. Happens all the time, really."
Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
Superboy's "Kill, Maim, Destroy" is just blah. As if a brainwashed killing machine needs to recite any mantra.
The Gates-Timber Wolf friendship is nice, and I hope to see more of it when (and I'm adamant about the WHEN!) they return to the future.
Ridge and Yera talking about redemption... could that be foreshadowing?
Posted by Jay Kay on :
Well, I really like the art here--and it seems like this issue's got more of an actual Legion focus, which is nice, considering, you know, this book's being cancelled in a couple of issues.
Of course, the site that posted this preview sucks. I mean, heaven forbid that I might want to actually READ that double-page spread.
Posted by Jay Kay on :
Reading the full issue...I have a crazy theory.
So in this, Wildfire's suit goes ka-blewy--or KAWADA-DOOOM, rather--and it's all sad and stuff. However, when Tellus is consoling Dawny about restoring her...some familiar Kirby Krackle wraps around her.
Here's what I'm thinking--what if, in order to save Drake's life, Tellus merges the consciousness and mind within Dawnstar, basically combining the lovers into one form?
It helps further accomplish the mission that this book seemed to start out with--using this time travel adventure to drastically alter these Legionnaires, like with Gates and Timber Wolf. With the merging, we could have that this...Dawnfire would have her tracking and flying skills, but could maybe access the Kirby Krackle blasts that Wildfire had.
There's also something oddly...romantic about the idea. These are two people that have been played for ages that they can never have an intimate relationship (which has always been kinda weird to me, since, well, he does have hands with the suit, but that's beside the point), but they've bonded due to this very personal and emotional connection. There's that old saying that love is finding that person that completes you, and being together makes you a whole being. They would be taking that on a literal level.
Posted by Leather Wolf on :
This actually isn't too bad of a Legion story this issue. Too bad Superboy and the Ravangers are taking up space. I miss Pete Woods artwork, but alas, that's what you get with a cancelled book.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
quote:Originally posted by Jay Kay:
Here's what I'm thinking--what if, in order to save Drake's life, Tellus merges the consciousness and mind within Dawnstar, basically combining the lovers into one form?
Interesting idea. It wouldn't be the first time Wildfire has survived by inhabiting someone else's body, nor would it be the first time another entity has inhabited Dawnstar. As long as she doesn't start cutting her wings off...
Posted by Conjure Lass on :
You know, as immature as this is, I couldn't stop staring at Dawnstar's boobies on this cover. They are just so...round. So very round. Unnaturally round.
Thank god for comic books.
On a more mature note, I can't understand why Drake blasting out of his containment suit is exciting anymore. Has anyone on the boards actually added up HOW MANY TIMES his suit has been destroyed or he's been "killed"?
My guess would be at least three dozen. Anyone?
Posted by jdpinball on :
I remember a comment from the original writer Nicieza, pre-first issue, about not wanting to ever fall back on the over used "Wildfire's suit has a hole in it" cliche.
Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
It's even worse considering that Wildfire has survived his suit being destroyed inside a boom tube (Preboot, Great Darkness Saga) and inside a reality-eating rift (Postboot, Widening Rifts)!
Posted by EmeraldEmperor on :
Not counting the destruction of Wildfire's suit, what happened in this issue? Nothing.
Posted by Jay Kay on :
The point I always assumed was the case wasn't "oh no what's going to happen if Wildfire's suit explodes?" Supposedly, the tech required for Drake to have a containment suit isn't even remotely something that could be made in the 21st century. If his suit breaks, and these Legionnaires are truly stuck in this time frame, then it's game over for him. He may be alive, but he'd be a bunch of floating, invisible anti-energy unable to communicate with anyone. That's definitely something that everyone would be concerned about.
quote:Originally posted by EmeraldEmperor: Not counting the destruction of Wildfire's suit, what happened in this issue? Nothing.
Well, they established the gun on the mantlepiece--the Time Bubble and the Singularity bomb that could save the world but kill millions in the process. It doesn't make for an interesting issue here, but next? I'm genuinely excited to see what happens in the last issue.
Posted by Blockade Boy on :
Boobies, boobies, boobies, boobies.
Posted by razsolo on :
umm...if time travel is no longer an issue, why haven't the Legion proper come after their pals? And why is Brainy obsessing over how he can't break the time barrier anymore in the main title? I CALL SHENANIGANS!
Bad continuity is one thing, but bad continuity which completely screws the premise that your own title is based on is another thing altogether, lol...it's not even like they're just throwing this in because they know they don't care as the title's ending now; those Science Police have been here for months! Posted by Set on :
quote:Originally posted by razsolo: umm...if time travel is no longer an issue, why haven't the Legion proper come after their pals? And why is Brainy obsessing over how he can't break the time barrier anymore in the main title? I CALL SHENANIGANS!
Ah, but maybe it was the SP who are blocking everyone else's attempts to use time travel?
But that would require that Captain Adym be able to build a mousetrap so clever that Brainiac 5 can't find a way out of it, so never mind.
I can't even fanwank a solution to this crap.
Next we'll find out that Captain Adym blew up the Time Institute (and, incidentally, Titan) just to put up this time barrier and stop people from time travelling around willy-nilly, so we can stop blaming Harmonia Li and start blaming him...
Posted by Candlelight on :
In dotREBELS, a Wildfire/Dawnstar powered character has already been created, Wildstar. And in the postboot Legion, Wildfire was created by combining the 'souls' and powers of two heroes who were killed by, Mordru, I think, Blast Off and Radion.
I don't know if those examples make something like the combination of Dawny and Drake more or less probable.
There are two examples of him, or a version of him, existing for ubber lengths of time without a suit, the DnA LOST arc and the 1,000,000 year special. So, being without his suit might be isolating and not much fun, but it won't kill him. Unless, of course, DC drastically changes him in this boot. Again,
In pre-Zero Hour, Giffin drew Drake and Dawnstar in an intimate moment with multiple hand prints burned on her body. Drake flipped out about it and left her, even though she asked him to stay.
Those things being said, I still like your idea of the two combining, especially if it's longterm. Like, what would he do if she fell in love with someone and had a family?
Posted by Set on :
quote:Originally posted by Candlelight: There are two examples of him, or a version of him, existing for ubber lengths of time without a suit, the DnA LOST arc and the 1,000,000 year special.
I remember the 1,000,000 special in particular, since he's pretty much the only Legionnaire that was likely to live that long.
quote: In pre-Zero Hour, Giffin drew Drake and Dawnstar in an intimate moment with multiple hand prints burned on her body. Drake flipped out about it and left her, even though she asked him to stay.
I never liked that bit, because Dawny's body is immune to various environmental effects, including the friction burns of travelling at incredible speeds in-atmosphere, and the brutal temperatures, radiation and pressure differentials of outer space. *If* Drake was capable of forming an energy body that wasn't destructive enough to destroy the atmosphere of whatever planet he was on (which he apparently was), Dawny shouldn't have been burned by contact with it.
Indeed, when out of suit, Drake's energy is harmless to *everyone,* so it should be doubleplusharmless to Dawny!
But that's Giffen for ya. The same guy who decided that Polar Boy, a character that for years dressed in a fur-trimmed parka, because earth's temperature was freezing cold to Tharrans, would then decide to take his fur-trimmed hat off and wear a block of *ice* on his head.
It's like he doesn't even think about this stuff.
"Fire Lad has fire for hair, why not have Polar Boy have ice for hair! And, Stone Boy can have rock-hair, and Chlorophyll Kid can have plant-hair, and Night Girl can have... uh, night-hair! Aren't I terribly clever!"
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
I believe both the Drake-burns-Dawny scene and the ice hair were Laroque rather than Giffen.
Posted by Somebody on :
quote:Originally posted by Candlelight: In dotREBELS, a Wildfire/Dawnstar powered character has already been created, Wildstar. And in the postboot Legion, Wildfire was created by combining the 'souls' and powers of two heroes who were killed by, Mordru, I think, Blast Off and Radion.
Blast-Off and Atom'X (although even the writers got Atom'X and Blast-Off mixed up more than once for... some reason.)
Posted by Set on :
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: I believe both the Drake-burns-Dawny scene and the ice hair were Laroque rather than Giffen.
Eh, I'm gonna blame it on Giffen anyway. Easier to blame all the stuff I don't like on one guy, than keep track of a whole bunch of folks!
It wouldn't be an irrational dislike if it made sense, after all!
Posted by Portfolio Boy on :
quote:Originally posted by Somebody:
quote:Originally posted by Candlelight: In dotREBELS, a Wildfire/Dawnstar powered character has already been created, Wildstar. And in the postboot Legion, Wildfire was created by combining the 'souls' and powers of two heroes who were killed by, Mordru, I think, Blast Off and Radion.
Blast-Off and Atom'X (although even the writers got Atom'X and Blast-Off mixed up more than once for... some reason.)
Actually, IIRC, Atom'x was originally intended to be the reboot Atmos, but when Lee Moder drew him wrong, TPTB found it easier to make him a new character with a similar name than to erase his armpits.
Posted by Portfolio Boy on :
quote:Originally posted by Set: But that's Giffen for ya. The same guy who decided that Polar Boy, a character that for years dressed in a fur-trimmed parka, because earth's temperature was freezing cold to Tharrans, would then decide to take his fur-trimmed hat off and wear a block of *ice* on his head.
It's like he doesn't even think about this stuff.
To be fair, most writers are not well-versed enough in the laws of thermodynamics to get that Polar Boy does not create cold, he absorbs heat. Of course, that's because paying too much attention to that would necessarily prompt the question, how much heat can he absorb before he gives himself a stroke?
The other confusing aspect, for me anyway, is that Tharr is a desert world. IIRC, it's inhabitants developed the power to absorb heat as a way of cooling their environment. But that's kind of like saying, I shall keep from drowning by chugging this bucket of water down my windpipe!
Posted by Candlelight on :
I didn't know that Polar Boy absorbed heat. gosh How does that work?
I always thought that he generated cold, sort of like Iceman; or channeled it, maybe. Sort of like how the girl in 'Firestarter' by king, channeled heat, only instead of from the sun, like she did, the Tharrians grab cold from outer space.
I'm sorry about the Giffin reference, although that allowed Set to post hilariously, which was fun. I don't have the issues from that era anymore. I really thought it was from his last stint before TMK and his drastic change in illustrating style. sigh
I didn't realize that Wildfire was creating his own 'body' then, either. I thought it was just his face that he was forming, while the rest of his energy was inside a containment suit. My memory is a bust. Or, maybe IN my bust, rather than my brain, anymore.
[ December 16, 2012, 11:23 AM: Message edited by: Candlelight ]
Posted by SoM on :
quote:Originally posted by Portfolio Boy:
quote:Originally posted by Somebody:
quote:Originally posted by Candlelight: In dotREBELS, a Wildfire/Dawnstar powered character has already been created, Wildstar. And in the postboot Legion, Wildfire was created by combining the 'souls' and powers of two heroes who were killed by, Mordru, I think, Blast Off and Radion.
Blast-Off and Atom'X (although even the writers got Atom'X and Blast-Off mixed up more than once for... some reason.)
Actually, IIRC, Atom'x was originally intended to be the reboot Atmos, but when Lee Moder drew him wrong, TPTB found it easier to make him a new character with a similar name than to erase his armpits.
He was, although more from the lack of mohawk (Atmos cameoed in Legionnaires #0, where the baggy purple suits he, Star Boy & Kid Quantum were wearing didn't show his torso clearly). The name was taken from Tom McCraw's ATOM'C screenname.
McCraw knew he wasn't going to be Atmos, but didn't know he was going to be named after him when he coloured him yellow and pink :
quote:http://www.legionwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=LSHChat:1996-05-30 According to Peyer, the similarity between Atom'x's codename and Tom McCraw's AOL screen name is not a coincidence. Peyer switched the name without McCraw's knowledge. McCraw claims that pink isn't really his color. He jokingly vowed revenge against Peyer.
http://www.legionwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=LSHChat:1996-06-04 Atom'x--who appeared in LSH #82--was intended to be a preboot character named Atmos, but a switch was made in production. The switch was made because Lee Moder drew the character incorrectly. Tom stresses that the mistake was not Lee's fault. The mistake was not caught until after the book had been inked, and it was faster to create a new character rather than redraw the book.
Tom Peyer used the Atom'x name--which is based on Tom McCraw's screen name--without McCraw's knowledge. McCraw vows revenge, and promises that the revenge character will wear pink or pastel purple. Tom did not know that the character would be named after him when he was coloring the character.
[The above should have said "the writers got Atom'X and Radion mixed up, incidentally.]
quote:Originally posted by Candlelight: I didn't know that Polar Boy absorbed heat. gosh How does that work?
I always thought that he generated cold, sort of like Iceman; or channeled it, maybe. Sort of like how the girl in 'Firestarter' by king, channeled heat, only instead of from the sun, like she did, the Tharrians grab cold from outer space.
You can't "grab cold". Cold is literally the (relative) absence of heat - which, in turn, is molecular motion (which can be induced by various factors, including infra-red radiation). Either you can cancel out the motion somehow (think of stopping a non-bouncing ball by kicking it with another ball at exactly the same speed in the opposite direction) or you can absorb the heat (catch the ball, which will induce motion in you - more obviously if you think of something more like a bowling bowl than a baseball).
Real-world applications you'll meet invariably use the latter, which is why the back of fridges are hot. The former is known as adiabatic cooling, which slows the particles' momentum in ways that don't involve making other stuff hotter.
[ December 16, 2012, 12:46 PM: Message edited by: SoM ]
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
For what it's worth, Polar Boy's powers are originally described as using "mental force to neutralize heat vibrations".
Posted by SoM on :
Well, that word "neutralise" would place him squarely in the adiabatic cooling camp, and so would mean he DOESN'T absorb heat as PoFoBo had it.
Posted by Set on :
In my head-canon, the heat that Tharrians are neutralizing goes somewhere else.
It clearly doesn't go into them (i.e. they aren't absorbing it into themselves) or they'd actually get hotter (which would be counterproductive, since they are making Tharr cooler so that they can live there, which wouldn't work if they had to raise their own temperatures to do so!).
The standard comic book explanation (the one that Marvel uses for everything) is that it goes into another dimension. With Star Boy, DC occasionally has this sort of transfer happen in-universe (Star Boy 'drawing mass from the stars to make stuff heavy'), so perhaps the Tharrans are tranferring the heat directly into their own star, or into the molten heart of Tharr.
I had a fanfic idea that the Tharrans were actually unknowingly responsible for the creation of an entire race of energy/plasma creatures in an adjacent dimension, formed spontaneously from the heat being transferred by the Tharrans from their dimension, with warring members of the energy races crossing over to assassinate specific Tharrans that they'd identified as the 'gods' that were creating their enemies, but never got around to writing it.
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