[ October 12, 2010, 07:54 PM: Message edited by: Nightcrawler ]
Posted by Jerry on :
Love seeing Cham, Vi and Lyle together. Not crazy about the art, based on the preview.
Posted by lil'rhino on :
It is an improvement over the last artist, IMO. Lotsa energy.
Posted by razsolo on :
Yeah, I much prefer this art....good to see Lyle too! Posted by Sir Tim Drake on :
This artist is better than the last one, but the characters look almost creepily young.
Posted by razsolo on :
They look like young teenagers...which they would be, given the timeframe?
Posted by future king on :
I like what I see so far. The art is ok in my opinion, let's give this guy a chance. I too enjoy seeing Lyle again. The enthusiasm coming from the young Legion is awesome! I commend Paul on his fine writing abilities. The dialogue and attitudes of this younger Legion contrast well with those displayed in the parent book.
Posted by Set on :
Love his first page interpretation of Violet, and it's great to see Lyle in action.
Cham's smile seems odd to me, and Lyle's strange Liefield-esque shouting-face when he's presumably asking a question relatively calmly and quietly (since they are *sneaking aboard an enemy ship*) is a little off.
The face Violet is making on the second page, 'Besides giving them a laugh?' looks creepy strange, like something Gary Frank would have drawn. I don't mind this new artist, but he's got the Legionnaires faces showing stuff that doesn't seem to fit the dialogue or the situation, as if the story was changed after the art had already been ordered...
Odd that a woman that can fly would choose riding a rat as a means of getting around. On the meta front, they have to show off their abilities for the 'new readers,' but on an in-story front, perhaps they just are reveling in their abilities (Lyle, for instance, has no reason to be invisible, when he's talking to a talking rat ridden by a tiny woman, and is only the most freaking obvious 'invisible person' one could imagine...).
Superboy looks like he's twelve. Wow. The others look like teens, but he's positively tiny!
Posted by Blacula on :
I'm *really* liking what I see here!
The art is a huge improvement - I'd even go as far as to say I wouldn't mind this guy being the permananent Legion artist in Adventure - and I'm loving the choice of Legionnaires to focus on in the Zaryan portion (major yawns to the choice of members in the 21st century of course). iBut it's so great seeing Reep, Salu and especially Lyle all looking good and acting dynamic in the pages of this book.
I'm looking forward to an issue of Adventure Comics. How long has it been since I've been able to say that? Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
quote:Originally posted by razsolo: They look like young teenagers...which they would be, given the timeframe?
I kind of like it... except that it makes the fact that they were getting wasted and hopping into bed with one another a couple of issues ago even more icky.
Posted by Superboy-Supergirl on :
quote: I kind of like it... except that it makes the fact that they were getting wasted and hopping into bed with one another a couple of issues ago even more icky.
You have got to stop thinking with a 21st century mindset when it comes to 31st century mores.
FYI: Mores, in sociology, are any given society's particular norms, virtues or values.
Posted by Iam Legion on :
Without a doubt, the best story the new version of the Legion has seen. This actually gives me hope for the series
Posted by Chief Taylor on :
quote:Originally posted by Iam Legion: Without a doubt, the best story the new version of the Legion has seen. This actually gives me hope for the series
<faints>
Posted by Iam Legion on :
well, it is. And it does. Posted by cleome on :
quote:Originally posted by Sir Tim Drake: This artist is better than the last one, but the characters look almost creepily young.
The faces don't seem to have the distracting amount of rendering they had earlier on. I actually think it's an improvement, personally. I didn't mind Sharpe's composition and design, but his faces always looked out of whack to me.
Also, it looks like this era's Brainy uses the same permanent wave formula that Colossal Boy used to use.
[ October 13, 2010, 06:54 PM: Message edited by: cleome ]
Posted by rouge on :
So nice to see a more "human" Brainy again. Pretty good issue all around, although Lyle fans may not be too pleased with his portrayal (though I was fine with it). Definitely not the super-competent reboot version.
Posted by future king on :
I liked this issue. It is spot-on as far as capturing that youthful, exciting newness that the young Legionnaires exude from their actions and how they interact with each other. They are a group of youths just starting to learn about each other.
This is in stark contrast to the regular "parent" Legion book. Those relationships have a feeling of comfortable familiarity. Only someone like Paul knows the characters enough that he can write them past and present and show us a clear difference between the two.
The story itself was a fun little romp. I love those two team stories where one team is out investigating current events while the other is "setting history straight", once again (sigh) by sending a team back to the past. Was this story meant to introduce us to the Espionage Squad's first roster? Yes I think it was. Not a bad first mission together I think. Zaryan got away .... oh well, we knew he would. At least they got the cargo.
I find it interesting that Cham chose to keep reverting back to a rat each time, among the many forms he could have chosen from!
Posted by Candle on :
He might have just discovered the shape and found it funny and versatile. Except for the whiteness (although lab/science rats might have been the ones to make it to spaceships), a rat might be something that is usually ignored on pirate ships. Without the girl on his back, of course.
Or, it might just be that the artist lacks 'aliens' imagination.
And if Imra and Cos getting drunk and going to bed with each other were the 'norm' for that society, they wouldn't have reacted the way that they did, afterward. It was the same with the Prime Ayla. If her actions were a normal part of THAT culture, the guys wouldn't have talked about her the way that they did.
If the writers want to show different morals as part of the future, they need to follow through, rather than showing our cultural reactions to what happens. imo
[ October 15, 2010, 01:07 AM: Message edited by: Candle ]
Posted by cleome on :
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quote:Originally posted by Candle: ...If the writers want to show different morals as part of the future, they need to follow through, rather than showing our cultural reactions to what happens. imo
brb. stealing this.
Posted by Quislet, Esq. on :
This was a good issue. I liked the Smallville section opposed to the Zayyan section. While the Smallville section is like the issue where Clark has his one good day, this goes beyond that with the threat of the brainiac drone. The zaryan section seemed like there was story that we missed reading. And it was marred by what I consider the worst drawings of Shrinking Violet. Beyond that the art was good.
Posted by cleome on :
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quote:Originally posted by future king: ...I find it interesting that Cham chose to keep reverting back to a rat each time, among the many forms he could have chosen from!
He's secretly the 31st Century's biggest Charlotte's Web fan.
Posted by jimgallagher on :
I flipped through it at the store, but didn't like the art so I didn't buy it. Did like the invisibility effect on Lyle though.
Posted by future king on :
quote:Originally posted by cleome: [snip]
quote:Originally posted by future king: ...I find it interesting that Cham chose to keep reverting back to a rat each time, among the many forms he could have chosen from!
He's secretly the 31st Century's biggest Charlotte's Web fan.
LOL Yeah, that could very well be .... I just thought Paul was forshadowing that Reep might do something underhanded in the near future, which he'll regret later. Something to make us say he's a dirty rat? Nhhaaaa, I'm wrong. Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
I liked the issue, but was very surprised that Brainy's checklist didn't contain some reference to his recent cockroach-eradication obsession.
Posted by Blacula on :
Definitely the best issue yet. I might even go so far as to say I really liked it!
The art was fabbo I thought. I really don't get how anyone could complain about this art. Especially after what we've had the last few months. All the members (especially Lyle) looked great IMO.
Speaking of Lyle - yes, this was a very different Invisible Kid to the supremely confident/able Espionage Squad leader of the Reboot... but I can dig it. This is a different Lyle and at a slightly earlier stage in his hero career. I hope we get to see him grow into the Ultra Boy-punching, commanding leader we know he becomes though. I miss Lyle!
The 20th century story was fun too - with a clever reason for them to be back in that era. Good issue all around IMO. I hope this means Paul has found his groove here at last and all future issues will be equally as good.
Posted by lil'rhino on :
Loved it. To me the art looked like it was Sharpe's layouts and this new penciller's finishes. Still, a vast improvement!! Funny, Kevin Sharpe pencilled a couple of threeboot issues, and they were so much better than his work on these Legion Adv. stories. I guess the inker does make a big difference!!
Posted by Outdoor Miner on :
quote:Originally posted by Blacula: Speaking of Lyle - yes, this was a very different Invisible Kid to the supremely confident/able Espionage Squad leader of the Reboot... but I can dig it. This is a different Lyle and at a slightly earlier stage in his hero career. I hope we get to see him grow into the Ultra Boy-punching, commanding leader we know he becomes though. I miss Lyle!
You and me both.
I was thinking along similar lines; that this is a Lyle Norg admitted to the Legion for his invisibility and brainpower but who still lacks presence and combat skills.
Speculation: Lyle fails to stop Zaryan; Zaryan goes on to ice Garth, and a guilt-wracked Lyle becomes determined to toughen himself up.
Posted by cleome on :
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quote:Originally posted by future king: ...I just thought Paul was foreshadowing that Reep might do something underhanded in the near future, which he'll regret later. Something to make us say he's a dirty rat? Nhhaaaa, I'm wrong.
Well... does this story take place before his temporary side-career in show biz?
Posted by Set on :
I'm a pushover for competence, and seeing a less competent Lyle (kinda like the threeboot version) doesn't do much for me.
It might have been amusing if he got hit by a laser, only to discover that invisible people are, pretty much by the nature of invisibility, laser-proof...
I kinda expected Brainy to make more explicit that he invited the Legionnaires to participate in a barn-building because they were going to have to use that experience to assist in rebuilding the Kent barn.
And, this is the Brainy I've been waiting to see in Adventure. A sense of humor. The perception that these Legionnaires are *friends* and not just a bunch of grumpy people who don't like each other very much (like in the Threeboot, quite often).
More of this Brainy, and less of curmudgeonly contemptuous and callous Vril 2.0, please!
Posted by Superboy-Supergirl on :
quote:And if Imra and Cos getting drunk and going to bed with each other were the 'norm' for that society, they wouldn't have reacted the way that they did, afterward. It was the same with the Prime Ayla. If her actions were a normal part of THAT culture, the guys wouldn't have talked about her the way that they did.
If the writers want to show different morals as part of the future, they need to follow through, rather than showing our cultural reactions to what happens. imo
The guys were talking about guessing who the chick whom Cos was sleeping with. Him sleeping with someone at his age (especially since he's an adult) isn't looked upon as *omg he slept with someone he's a teen* feeling that some of us are having a time wrapping our minds around with...again..he's a Adult. Garth was into the pruient details again... that's something even adult males do, not just teens in this culture. (what about prime ayla what she do?) Even in this culture we have different reactions to the same issues. Same sex marriage some of us think its no big deal some say its the greatest evil on the face of the Earth...so I wouldn't look to the writers to show us a uniform opinion as the only option out there of what's "right" in the 31st century they can on the other hand have shown us what teens are like in the 31st century and how they are looked on than our present that's far more advanced than they are now. And again...what we know for sure from the 31st century...Cosmic Boy is looked at as an adult. I'm not sure about Garth or Imra on their homeworlds...i would argue they would be since Imra was on her way to Earth to become a part of Sci POlice Academy and that's something only adults in our century can do. And Garth traveling without adult supervision to look for his brother another nod to adult privledges.
Posted by Candle on :
Actually, you can join ROTC in high school, which is a prelude to military service. You can also finish high school through community college, earning college credits, so theroretically you could take criminal justice classes as a part of your high school ciriculum, today.
And kids in England have gone to military academies at an early age for centuries. In this country, too, for that matter.
Anyway, the Ayla part I remember was the jokes about her sleeping with every guy in the Legion and the snickers when some of the team found her sleeping with Gim's giant, gay broher and the dog.
AND she couldn't remember because of a black out. I'm sorry, but I don't care what century or culture you're in, if you're humanoid from an Earth colony, drunken black outs and not knowing what you've had sex with the next day is the sign of a troubled and addictive personality. Period.
And suggesting that it's okay because it's the future is not only harmful to the younger readers but ridiculous. 3,000 years ago, a drunk was a drunk and an undesireable state, and it is now, too. A thousand more years isn't going to change that any more than 3,000 has.
If the DCU wants to show that it IS an okay thing, then they HAVE to really show how and why and show it's cultural effects. And not just say it's a change without the resultant ripples.
For example, synthahol(sp) that was part of the Legion history, when did it start, I don't remember for sure, but I DO remember it in the TMK years with Kono. I can buy something like that replacing the real thing in a culture because we saw it in the diner and with Kono and other places.
Fake meats was another.
I even bought Ayla running around on Winath without a top and having sex with whomever there, because it fit into that storylines paramatures. It worked and was natural since everyone shown was a part of it, more or less.
Not Ayla sleeps with dogs but Imra looses her boyfriend because she wonders about kissing another guy.
I DO agree that everyone wouldn't have to have the same morals, but within a homogenius group like the Legion, there should be some basic behavioral modes displayed, imo. And if they do something that's supposed to be okay, then have the reactions of the ones involved, at the very least, be okya with it.
Paul isn't doing that well, Waid was even worse.
[ October 20, 2010, 12:38 AM: Message edited by: Candle ]
Posted by Korbal on :
Enjoyed the issue, but was initally disappointed that the Espionage Squad was not in action at the Solar Bank, to set up the future presence of the spectrium bar for the Zaryan/Legion climax. However, accepting such a reward always did make the Legion seem kind of mercenary, so perhaps Paul has thought up a new way for Saturn Girl to steal everyone's powers. The other half of the tale was amusing enough, and whether Paul intended it to be or not, was a nice homage to Brainy's solo actions depicted in Adventure #342...
Posted by cleome on :
Finally got to read the whole thing. It's definitely been my favorite Adventure to date. A wide-ranging group of characters getting to share the spotlight is most welcome.
Too bad that the group's time on the book is ending just as the writing and art are starting to be really compelling.
Ain't that always the way, though?
Posted by future king on :
Next issue is the last one that will be about the Legion's early years right? I think a Legionnaire dies in that one (Ferro Lad?).
I agree with you Cleome, they cut the "untold" early years stories too short in my opinion. So much potential there! Oh well, I guess they need the extra space in Adventure to map out the whole Green Lanterns in the 31st century thing. I hope it's worth the trade though. If a long-time Legionnaire gets the GL ring then it might be worth it in the long run, especially if he becomes popular with the readers. That will surely open the regular series to more, new fans, and that's a good thing for LSH in general.
Posted by Blacula on :
^ I think Lightning Lad will be the member to die in the next issue. Tying in with the whole Zaryan sub-plot that's been running through the book for a while.
Posted by Superboy-Supergirl on :
"AND she couldn't remember because of a black out. I'm sorry, but I don't care what century or culture you're in, if you're humanoid from an Earth colony, drunken black outs and not knowing what you've had sex with the next day is the sign of a troubled and addictive personality. Period."
wouldn't this be true if it was a pattern of behavior?
Posted by duck458 on :
Was I the only one who thought that Saturn Girl was acting unusually queasy?
Posted by Candle on :
quote:Originally posted by duck458: Was I the only one who thought that Saturn Girl was acting unusually queasy?
Do your comments just blurt out or do you think about them?! You have a wonderful pattern of making me laugh! Thank-you!
And, yes, S-S, I think it would need to be a pattern of behavior, but the Legionnaires who saw her seemed to imply that it was just Ayla in her usual mode. But, I also think that ANYTIME, you drink to blackout and not knowing what's happened the next day, you're in trouble emotionally and mentally and you need help to deal with the underlying causes so that the actions don't BECOME a pattern. IMO.
Posted by Set on :
quote:Originally posted by duck458: Was I the only one who thought that Saturn Girl was acting unusually queasy?
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