Since rhino is posting the cover, let's make this official...
ADVENTURE COMICS #519 Written by PAUL LEVITZ Co-feature written by JEFF LEMIRE Art by KEVIN SHARPE & MARLO ALQUIZA Co-feature art by MAHMUD ASRAR & JOHN DELL Cover by SCOTT CLARK & DAVID BEATY In the latest "Superboy and the Legion: The Early Years," the Legion travels to the 20th century to visit Smallville rather than have Superboy head into the future. But what they find on the Kent farm is something that will haunt not only their own lives, but that of Superboy! And in the second feature, the Colony's attacks on the Atom get even more personal! On sale OCTOBER 13 * 40 pg, FC, $3.99 US
LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES #6 Written by PAUL LEVITZ Art and cover by YILDIRAY CINAR & WAYNE FAUCHER 1:10 Variant cover by JIM LEE & SCOTT WILLIAMS The first storyline ends here after issue #5's shocking last page! (Didn't see that one coming, didja?) Legion leader Cosmic Boy makes a drastic decision, that will affect the next year's worth of LEGION stories. And the quest to build up the 31st century Green Lantern Corps continues! Retailers please note: This issue will ship with two covers. Please see the Previews Order Form for more information. On sale OCTOBER 20 * 40 pg, FC, $3.99 US
DC UNIVERSE LEGACIES #6 Written by LEN WEIN Art by JERRY ORDWAY & GEORGE PEREZ with SCOTT KOLINS Co-feature art by KEITH GIFFEN Cover by GEORGE PEREZ 1:25 Variant cover by KEITH GIFFEN With a Crisis barely averted, the DC Universe struggles to survive other impending invasions and catastrophic events that call for all of Earth's heroes to respond! Meanwhile, Keith Giffen takes us into the future with a legion of Legions of Super-Heroes!! Retailers please note: This issue will ship with two covers. Please see the Previews Order Form for more information. On sale OCTOBER 20 * 6 of 10 * 40 pg, FC, $3.99 US
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SUPERGIRL ANNUAL #2 Written by STERLING GATES Art by MATT CAMP Cover by AMY REEDER & RICHARD FRIEND In a special story that has direct ties to the regular monthly SUPERGIRL series, the Girl of Steel visits The Legion of Super-Heroes on Halloween in the 30th century! But Halloween proves to be just as spooky a holiday a thousand years from now as it is today, because a horrible new threat has awoken thanks to Supergirl's arrival. And that horrible new threat's name is - Satan Girl! Brainiac 5 has a plan, but it may come at the cost of shattering his potential romance with Supergirl! On sale OCTOBER 27 * 56 pg, FC, $4.99 US
SUPERMAN: SECRET ORIGIN DELUXE EDITION HC Written by GEOFF JOHNS Art by GARY FRANK & JON SIBAL Cover by GARY FRANK Writer Geoff Johns and artist Gary Frank bring you a startling new look at the beginnings of Lex Luthor, The Legion of Super-Heroes, Lois Lane, Metallo, Jimmy Olsen, The Parasite and more of your favorite characters from the Superman family in this new, deluxe hardcover. Collecting the acclaimed six-issue miniseries! This title is resolicited. All previous orders are cancelled. Resolicit • On sale DECEMBER 1 • 224 pg, FC, 7.0625” x 10.875” $29.99 US
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Posted by lil'rhino on :
I've been DYING to see Amy Reeder draw the Legion!! It's just a cover, but it's a start!!
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
What else has she done? I'm not familiar, although I do like the art.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Hmm... I wonder if Satan Girl will have a bare midriff in this version as well? Posted by lil'rhino on :
She's the regular artist on Matt Wagner's INCREDIBLE Madame Xanadu series for Vertigo.
I believe she's being moved to a mainstream title soon, but I can't remember which.
Posted by future king on :
I'm not familiar with any of Reeder's work but based on this cover I'm not too thrilled. I will go and check out some of her other stuff though ... but I am happy to see the Legion will be featured in the Supergirl annual.
Posted by Superboy-Supergirl on :
hmmm double post...
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Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
is it me or does Imra and Tinya as well as the Lu's look like they're dancing...i dont know why but Xanadu the musical came to mind LOL
Posted by Superboy-Supergirl on :
uh...why do i have this feeling that its gonna be revealed that Earth Man and Shadow Lass are sleeping together...and that's the shocking last page?
Posted by Para-Dox on :
I agree with you Superboy-Supergirl. I'm willing to give it a chance but its going to turn a lot of people off the series so soon. I want to see how it goes down.
That annual cover is a thing of beauty. Look at Saturn Girl there! What I like most about it though is that is both bright and soft and looks fun.
Posted by lil'rhino on :
*GASP!* Is that a MALE Legionnaire in Earth Man's bed??
Posted by Mystery Lad on :
I can't imagine DC would make that the cover if it were.
Shadow Lass sure does seem like the most obvious choice-- maybe they'll shock us and it'll be somebody else.
Jeez- does *every* issue of ADVENTURE have to be about the founders? Brainy's everywhere, too- what with the SUPERGIRL stuff.
Could we maybe have a story about Lyle or ADV. era Vi or the Subs or, I dunno, anybody *but* Garth, Rokk, Imra, Lar and Querl?
Giffen on the Legion of Legions in DC LEGACIES kind of scares me.
Good thing the main title is enjoyable on its own and features a variety of characters. Is DC giving the new readers they're courting a chance to fall in love with what we did as LSH fans? A huge variety of characters, full of unspelled-out mystery and possibility and potential? By focusing always on the founders plus 2, I don't think they are.
Posted by lil'rhino on :
It's SUN BOY!! He'll sleep with anything!!
Posted by Jerry on :
Superboy carrying a tractor. Awesome.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Jeepers! It's clearly Cosmic Boy, hence his "drastic decision"! Posted by lil'rhino on :
Earth Man's experimenting with a new way to leech off super-powers!!
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Great scott! What if it's Drura?
Posted by Jerry on :
Night Girl, maybe?
Posted by superboymddjr on :
the Giffen art on DC Legacies will be largely ignored as people will prefer the Perez cover...and my gosh, this has to be one of the most ugliest cover I have seen on any variant cover ever! Poor Giffen.
but look at Freedom Fighters, Mighty Crusaders, Doom Patrol...wow I am so ticklish pink!!! Phantom Lady, Here i come! Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Re: LSH cover...It looks like Tyroc to me.
Posted by Gorilla Nebula on :
Tyroc would be hilarious!!!!! but no, i'm positive it's Shadow Lass. the question is if she's being somehow mid-controlled by Ab' Boy.
also, i bet Cosmic Boy's decision that will effect the next year's worth of stories is restarting leader elections (hopefully by the readers)!
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Putting this together with some things Paul said on his facebook page, I'll be the first to predict...
Laurel Kent, Green Lantern.
Posted by Para-Dox on :
quote:Originally posted by Mystery Lad: I can't imagine DC would make that the cover if it were.
Shadow Lass sure does seem like the most obvious choice-- maybe they'll shock us and it'll be somebody else.
Jeez- does *every* issue of ADVENTURE have to be about the founders? Brainy's everywhere, too- what with the SUPERGIRL stuff.
Could we maybe have a story about Lyle or ADV. era Vi or the Subs or, I dunno, anybody *but* Garth, Rokk, Imra, Lar and Querl?
Giffen on the Legion of Legions in DC LEGACIES kind of scares me.
Good thing the main title is enjoyable on its own and features a variety of characters. Is DC giving the new readers they're courting a chance to fall in love with what we did as LSH fans? A huge variety of characters, full of unspelled-out mystery and possibility and potential? By focusing always on the founders plus 2, I don't think they are.
I love Brainy but I agree. Perhaps use him more in Supergirl and REBELS for a while and have a few arcs like you say. You have to remember though, these things go in 6 issue cycles for trade. That is two stories a year per ongoing which isn't much as it is. I like the Earth Man story because everyone gets to have a reaction without being the focus.
Posted by cleome on :
quote:Originally posted by lil'rhino: I've been DYING to see Amy Reeder draw the Legion!! It's just a cover, but it's a start!!
Holy Cannoli!
Posted by cleome on :
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: Jeepers! It's clearly Cosmic Boy, hence his "drastic decision"!
EDE, never change.
Posted by rickshaw1 on :
Just wait til' he slaps E-Man.
Posted by KryptonKid on :
I'm pretty sure it's Proty.
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Posted by Mattropolis on :
quote:Originally posted by lil'rhino: It's SUN BOY!! He'll sleep with anything!!
My name is NOT Sun Boy!
On another note, I HATE the Supergirl Annual cover. Dancing Saturn Girl creeps me out.
As far as who that is with Earth Man. I agree with most that it is either Shady or Night Girl (esp if Rokk's decision is related to this). If it is a guy, I think it is Sun Boy.
Posted by Dev Em on :
Adventure cover is cool. Superboy carrying the tractor, brainy deflecting something...although, I have to agree, some stories without the founders and Brainy in the past would be nice. How about a Ultra Boy, Mon El Superboy adventure.
Legion cover looks to be Shady. My guess is this will be used to blackmail E-Man into behaving himself.
Legacies cover is...interesting to say the least. I love Giffen, but that looks ugly.
Supergirl Annual cover is different, and I love the way it looks.
Posted by googoomuck on :
Did anyone else get a Michael Kaluta vibe from the Supergirl Annual cover?
Posted by Candle on :
quote:Originally posted by lil'rhino: *GASP!* Is that a MALE Legionnaire in Earth Man's bed??
I think the figure looks masculine, too.
I wonder who?
quote:Originally posted by lil'rhino: It's SUN BOY!! He'll sleep with anything!!
Maybe, but I don't think he's into pain much, not his own, anyway.
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Posted by Candle on :
quote:Originally posted by Dev Em: Legion cover looks to be Shady. My guess is this will be used to blackmail E-Man into behaving himself.
Anything for a good cause? She broke up with Lar, remember? I don't know. It's a really interesting idea but it's just so 21st century. 20th century. 19th century. sigh
Posted by future king on :
I think it's either Laurel Kent or Shady. But it's a woman, not a man. DC's not that brave.
Posted by Mystery Lad on :
I hope it's one of Brainy's love-bots...
Posted by Legion Tracker on :
Who says E-man was in bed with anyone? He's ON the bed. Maybe he just popped into Cos's room to ask where he could get a copy of the Legion constitution.
yeah...
Or...two rings on the table...maybe it's Lu?
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Posted by Superboy-Supergirl on :
if it was lu there would be more rings LOL.
Posted by cleome on :
quote:Originally posted by future king: I think it's either Laurel Kent or Shady. But it's a woman, not a man. DC's not that brave.
Don't give up so easily! Maybe it'll turn out that Earthman's really a lady who's been taking ProMasc all along!
Posted by cleome on :
[snip]
quote:Originally posted by Mattropolis:
On another note, I HATE the Supergirl Annual cover. Dancing Saturn Girl creeps me out.
I much prefer that to her -and the other- fetishistically detailed rear ends pointing at me on that Darkseid redux cover that's been posted here.
Posted by Omni Craig on :
Re: Supergirl Annual cover. The two big red lines in the top center, a couple of Gim's fingers? His gloves were red in the Adventure era and he was one of the only other early members not pictured on this cover...
Re: Legion cover. Obviously this is supposed to shock us. Who would sleep with Earthman?? The two rings are indicating he's sleeping with another Legionnaire, and I can't see DC making it a man either. I immediately assumed he had used his powers to trick someone into bed. If he used Jeckie's powers, his partner may not even realize they had slept with him, they would assume it was their regular bunkmate. Another think this makes me think of in all this rambling is the fact that none of the female Legionnaires are from Earth (IIRC), so Earthman would be violating his own warped sense of purity over aliens. I guess that is nothing new in human history though with the number of slave owners who bedded their female slaves or the Nazi soldiers who would rape Jewish women.
Anyway, let's change the subject...
Re: DC Legacies. Uck! I hate Giffen's artwork more than ever. Do we have to waste the Legion's appearance by having him be drawing it? Happy to have more Legion presence in the DCU, but not thrilled about the artwork. Besides, he's probably only going to revisit Karate Kid's death again anyway.
Posted by Para-Dox on :
I think the two lines are Gim's feet.
Posted by KryptonKid on :
I'm enjoying the art on all four covers. I'm not sure that's happened before. What am I going to complain about for the next 30 days?
Re: LSH #6. Maybe DC's growing up. Wonder Woman has a uniform that can be worn in most restaurants and doesn't beg for dollar bill-stuffing. Perhaps a same-sex relationship can be prominently featured...? Or maybe its the only method Earth-Man has for permanently absorbing Tromite powers...?
Posted by Omni Craig on :
quote:Originally posted by Para-Dox: I think the two lines are Gim's feet.
You're right PD, I can see that now. Makes more sense, thanks!
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Looking at the bright side... if Geoff Johns were still writing the Legion, we'd all be speculating not only about who would sleep with Earth Man, but whether or not that person still has his or her head!
Posted by Jerry on :
Re: The Supergirl Annual -- The girls are all dancing and the boys are all sticks. Very funny. Is this the beginning of the revolt of the dancing girl Legionnaires?
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
The Dancing Lasses Who Destroyed The Legion.
Has a nice ring to it.
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Love Amy Reader finally doing some Legion--I second Rhino's rec for Madame Xanadu! Beautiful cover!
Lots of Legion goodness this month! The Legion is everywhere these days! Kewl!
I like teh Adventure cover quite a bit too.
Posted by future king on :
Oh wow, the cover of the Legacies variant is terrible! I cannot believe Giffen drew that. I could draw better than that as a teenager for crap's sakes! Bummer.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
I've never really been a fan of Giffen's artwork, TBH.
Posted by Gorilla Nebula on :
re: Supergirl Annual i think there's reason behind the dancing LSH girls and zombie LSH boys. Satan Girl is mentioned, no? Perhaps, instead of making the girls sick, she mind-controls the LSH and empowers the Grrls.
Posted by Blacula on :
quote:Originally posted by Mystery Lad: Jeez- does *every* issue of ADVENTURE have to be about the founders? Brainy's everywhere, too- what with the SUPERGIRL stuff.
Could we maybe have a story about Lyle or ADV. era Vi or the Subs or, I dunno, anybody *but* Garth, Rokk, Imra, Lar and Querl?
Good thing the main title is enjoyable on its own and features a variety of characters. Is DC giving the new readers they're courting a chance to fall in love with what we did as LSH fans? A huge variety of characters, full of unspelled-out mystery and possibility and potential? By focusing always on the founders plus 2, I don't think they are.
THANK YOU Mystery Lad. This is what I've been saying for months now ever since this franchise became Rokk, Imra, Garth, Querland the Legion of Super-Heroes.
I became a fan of this book because it had a large cast of characters who all got spot-lighted more or less evenly - not to read about the adventures of 3 or 4 increasingly-dull characters while everyone else stands around in the background.
That Adventure Comics cover doesn't excite me one iota.
Looking forward to the contents of the issue though, as well as all the other Legion goodness this month. Especially the excellent-so-far mini Legacies - though needless to say I will be picking up the Perez cover. Giffen's art is beyond a joke now IMO.
Great to see Amy Reeder-Hadley getting more mainstream work on Supergirl too. Anyone who hasn't seen her work needs to pick up the EXCELLENT first trade of Madame Xanadu STAT. Some stunning artwork in there and a fabulous story too!
I can't believe Paul has got me as interested in Earth-Man as I am in only two issues but here we are and I can't wait to see who he's sleeping with here. I echo everyone else and think it's Tasmia too but would love a curve-ball and find out it's actually Vi or Ayla or Dirk or heck, even Tusker! Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Personally I would prefer more about the other members, even if Garth is my favorite.
Posted by Chief Taylor on :
Has there ever been a prior Legion-related cover in all its various eras that heavily implied fornication? Is this a Legion first? I'm drawin' a blank here!
If not, someone post the priors on this thread, STAT! Posted by lil'rhino on :
You're right! No matter who it turns out to be, that is a groundbreaking cover!
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Even if it's R.J. Brande?
Posted by lil'rhino on :
That would make it even more groundbreaking- considering the fact that he's a rotting corpse!!
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Okay...
When I do groundbreaking remind me to not involve headless corpses and xenophobic nutjobs.
Posted by Jerry on :
Does "Brainy's Lucky Day" count? Not so much visually, but the great big caption implied that Brainy scored.
Posted by Chief Taylor on :
quote:Originally posted by Chief Taylor: Has there ever been a prior Legion-related cover in all its various eras that heavily implied fornication? Is this a Legion first? I'm drawin' a blank here!
If not, someone post the priors on this thread, STAT!
quote:Originally posted by Jerry: Does "Brainy's Lucky Day" count? Not so much visually, but the great big caption implied that Brainy scored.
Not exactly what I was goin' for, Jer! IIRC, that cover was blurb s'posed to be ironic... Posted by Candle on :
I don't remember a cover showing something like this. I wish they hadn't done one like it NOW!
He certainly doesn't look very happy, does he? That makes me assume it's someone he doesn't respect or even like. I hope Levitz hasn't gone with the obvious choice, but he probably did. Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Well, assuming it's female, who are the possibilities?
Imra-- Unlikely, especially given the uncertainty about the fate of her kids. Though she has been a major player in the story, and has been known to cheat in other boots in times of emotional stress.
Lu-- Extremely unikely.
Tinya-- ditto.
Kara-- don't see this happening.
Vi-- I suppose she's currently unattached.
Nura-- probably not.
Ayla-- Hmm... maybe "shocking" is a clue? Apparently back with Timber Wolf, though.
Jeckie-- Another unattached, but I can't imagine it happening.
Shady-- seems like a strong candidate, though I can't see it being made plausible storywise.
Dawnstar-- Unless she becomes "Bounty" between now and then, it's not her.
Mysa-- Extremely unlikely.
Lydda-- maybe, but seems unlikely. Relationship status still unclear, right?
Yera-- I seriously doubt it.
Jenni-- Well, she's unattached.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Jenni - Well, she's unattached.
AND A MINOR.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Maybe. Realistically, at least four years should've passed over the course of the reboot (about two pre-Blight, the Legion Lost/Legion Worlds year, about a year with DnA's run). Plus whatever time they've spent in limbo. So, even if she was 14 to begin with, she'd be at least 18 now.
Posted by Candle on :
Yes, but she doesn't look it. Do the Speedforce people age normally? The DCU is such a trip!
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Well, it's comics after all, so who really expects anyone to age in a realistic fashion?
How old are the Young Justice kids now? I imagine she'd be treated as the same age as them.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
In general what would make the most sense to me is something like the following:
New Earth Legion-- early 30s (same age as Superman) Earth-247 Legion-- early 20s Earth-Prime Legion-- teens
Posted by Candle on :
Assuming it's male:
Garth- not in this lifetime.
Rokk- probably not although he's kind of available, but he's the LEADER, so no.
Jan- Jan's not gender oriented, he's personality oriented, so I'd say no, since EM is a nutso.
Cham- a definite possibility, imo. He's part of the ES, after all.
Chuck- ahhh, doesn't look like his back side, I'm afraid.
Tenzil- maybe, he's another E Squader.
Gates- nope, .
Brainy- Querl's emotionally weirded out enough to transfer his Kara emotions to another blonde.
Gim- nope, his wife would kill him.
Lar- nope, although the clothes we see match his look.
Brin- he'd be perfect, especially since he and Ayla can't last. He's about to enter a 'wolf' phase, isn't he?
Wildfire- nope, but I'd like to see him burn the creep.
Jo- nope, Tinya would kill him.
Troy- he's not attached to anyone and we don't know what his orientation is, so a possible, although he IS from Earth, but we don't know that it's related to EM's xenophobia, really.
Jacques- possible since we've never seen him with Drura in this boot.
Thom- he's not there yet, is he, but he might show up by then? He might find it to be his duty and Nura might be out of his life now.
Dirk- what's that syndrome attached to kidnappers, Stockholm Syndrome?
Brek- maybe his ice arm is why EM is frowning.
Quislet- ummm?
Marla Latham- a possibility, since it would give him access to the Brande corporations.
[ July 21, 2010, 03:05 AM: Message edited by: Candle ]
Posted by Fat Cramer on :
Tasmia's a good candidate, but maybe she's there for altruistic purposes. Spying on Earth Man?
It could be a non-legionnaire, with a fake ring, or even a new member. Where's Spider Girl these days?
Where is Kirt's Green Lantern ring - could it have morphed into a Legion ring to disguise/protect itself? I don't know why would they take their rings off anyways, apart from the fact that it makes a nice picture.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Oh, I briefly thought about suggesting that maybe it wasn't a LSH ring at all, but an LSV ring, and that it would be Saturn Queen, but that seemed a little too far-fetched.
Another far-fetched but groovy possibility:
Chemical King.
Posted by Candle on :
quote:Originally posted by Fat Cramer: . . . It could be a non-legionnaire, with a fake ring, or even a new member. Where's Spider Girl these days?
. . . I don't know why would they take their rings off anyways, apart from the fact that it makes a nice picture.
Where IS Spider Girl?
And I wondered about the rings, myself. Maybe they feel they're betraying them? But that wouldn't apply to EM, he could care less about honoring the Legion.
Posted by Candle on :
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: Another far-fetched but groovy possibility:
Chemical King.
Yes, I forgot Condo. Well, actually, we don't know that he's alive, but that would be an interesting way to resurrect him.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
There's a couple of possible reasons for taking off the rings.
For one, since the rings have at least in part of monitoring function, they may have to take them off to turn them off for privacy.
It could also conceivably be somewhat dangerous to wear them in the heat of passion, given that they respond to willpower and that their affect can be influenced by the emotional state of the wearer.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
quote:Originally posted by Candle:
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: Another far-fetched but groovy possibility:
Chemical King.
Yes, I forgot Condo. Well, actually, we don't know that he's alive, but that would be an interesting way to resurrect him.
It would certainly be a shocking panel. And more interesting than most of the other possibilities, imo.
Posted by Candle on :
Well, yeah!
Wouldn't the comic world just gasp!
Posted by Chief Taylor on :
quote:Originally posted by Candle: Well, yeah!
Wouldn't the comic world just gasp!
I'm certain that Rhino would at least! Posted by future king on :
Maybe the other Legion ring belongs to the Lois Lane from the Smallville show!
Posted by Superboy on :
Hmm, I'm going with Yera based on that cover.
Posted by duck458 on :
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: Well, assuming it's female, who are the possibilities?
Imra-- Unlikely, especially given the uncertainty about the fate of her kids. Though she has been a major player in the story, and has been known to cheat in other boots in times of emotional stress.
Lu-- Extremely unikely.
Tinya-- ditto.
Kara-- don't see this happening.
Vi-- I suppose she's currently unattached.
Nura-- probably not.
Ayla-- Hmm... maybe "shocking" is a clue? Apparently back with Timber Wolf, though.
Jeckie-- Another unattached, but I can't imagine it happening.
Shady-- seems like a strong candidate, though I can't see it being made plausible storywise.
Dawnstar-- Unless she becomes "Bounty" between now and then, it's not her.
Mysa-- Extremely unlikely.
Lydda-- maybe, but seems unlikely. Relationship status still unclear, right?
Yera-- I seriously doubt it.
Jenni-- Well, she's unattached.
So would XS be the only Earth born female?
Posted by cleome on :
I'm highly amused by all the speculation about Earth Man's "friend." Now watch: it'll turn out to be "just a dream" or something and then we'll all be spitting nails. Tsk. Comics.
Posted by Legion Tracker on :
Suppose Earth-man absorbed Lu's powers...
Posted by Set on :
quote:Originally posted by Legion Tracker: Suppose Earth-man absorbed Lu's powers...
Lu *and* Cham's powers, he could be a one-man interpecies par-tay!
Posted by future king on :
You two are BOTH sick!... And I LOVE it!!!!! Posted by Kid Quislet on :
Who's in bed with Earth Man?
Shadow Lass 2:1 Spider Girl 3:1 Lightning Lass 5:1 Supergirl 50:1 Supergirl Android 51:1 Stone Boy 75:1 Double Header's rotting corpse 100:1
Posted by future king on :
Spider Girl? Why would she have a Legion flight right? Unless she stole it from someone.
Posted by Superboy-Supergirl on :
uh..isnt spider girl in jail?
Posted by Fat Cramer on :
If Earthgov dictated that Earth Man must join the Legion, they could just as well add another of their darlings, and that could be Spider Girl. I don't think that's likely, though. She could have snuk in to see Kirt and have a fake ring as a joke. Stolen ring would make a nice story.
Posted by Para-Dox on :
quote:Originally posted by duck458:
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: Well, assuming it's female, who are the possibilities?
Imra-- Unlikely, especially given the uncertainty about the fate of her kids. Though she has been a major player in the story, and has been known to cheat in other boots in times of emotional stress.
Lu-- Extremely unikely.
Tinya-- ditto.
Kara-- don't see this happening.
Vi-- I suppose she's currently unattached.
Nura-- probably not.
Ayla-- Hmm... maybe "shocking" is a clue? Apparently back with Timber Wolf, though.
Jeckie-- Another unattached, but I can't imagine it happening.
Shady-- seems like a strong candidate, though I can't see it being made plausible storywise.
Dawnstar-- Unless she becomes "Bounty" between now and then, it's not her.
Mysa-- Extremely unlikely.
Lydda-- maybe, but seems unlikely. Relationship status still unclear, right?
Yera-- I seriously doubt it.
Jenni-- Well, she's unattached.
So would XS be the only Earth born female?
I think thats the big point, its going to be a non-earther and the drama that ensues.
Posted by Candle on :
Tasmia's been shown with him for the last two issues. Not as a love interest but as a teammate.
Gosh, I hate the idea of her with him for any reason but I sure hope it's not as a real love interest. What a betrayal of her friends, station and heritage!
If that happens, I'd have no problem with her meeting her prophesied fate on the Science Astroid! Posted by lil'rhino on :
I don't know if this was posted elsewhere, but on his FB page, Paul Levitz remarked that Phil Jimenez will be handling the art chores on the back-up story in Legion #6!!
Posted by cleome on :
[snip]
Candle wrote:
quote:...If that happens, I'd have no problem with her meeting her prophesied fate on the Science Asteroid!
I would.
No more fridgings, please.
Besides, even if it's her, we have no idea yet whether she's in control of her own mind or not. Remember Dream Girl/Atmos?
Posted by jimgallagher on :
quote:Originally posted by cleome: I'm highly amused by all the speculation about Earth Man's "friend." Now watch: it'll turn out to be "just a dream" or something and then we'll all be spitting nails. Tsk. Comics.
It's Bobby Ewing!
Posted by Candle on :
quote:Originally posted by cleome: [snip]
Candle wrote:
quote:...If that happens, I'd have no problem with her meeting her prophesied fate on the Science Asteroid!
I would.
No more fridgings, please.
Besides, even if it's her, we have no idea yet whether she's in control of her own mind or not. Remember Dream Girl/Atmos?
Snipping one sentence out of a post can miss the point of what was said, sometimes.
quote:Originally posted by Candle: . . . Gosh, I hate the idea of her with him for any reason but I sure hope it's not as a real love interest. What a betrayal of her friends, station and heritage!
If that happens, I'd have no problem with her meeting her prophesied fate on the Science Astroid!
'Fridgings' work for me, especially with my favorite comic character since I was a kid. Primeboot changed her into a complete creep, but the writers did that to MOST of the Legionnaires of that boot. If Levitz continues the indignity of making her FALL IN LOVE with EM, the best thing that could happen to her is to be put out of her misery, imo. That's all.
Posted by duck458 on :
quote:Originally posted by Para-Dox:
quote:Originally posted by duck458:
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: Well, assuming it's female, who are the possibilities?
Imra-- Unlikely, especially given the uncertainty about the fate of her kids. Though she has been a major player in the story, and has been known to cheat in other boots in times of emotional stress.
Lu-- Extremely unikely.
Tinya-- ditto.
Kara-- don't see this happening.
Vi-- I suppose she's currently unattached.
Nura-- probably not.
Ayla-- Hmm... maybe "shocking" is a clue? Apparently back with Timber Wolf, though.
Jeckie-- Another unattached, but I can't imagine it happening.
Shady-- seems like a strong candidate, though I can't see it being made plausible storywise.
Dawnstar-- Unless she becomes "Bounty" between now and then, it's not her.
Mysa-- Extremely unlikely.
Lydda-- maybe, but seems unlikely. Relationship status still unclear, right?
Yera-- I seriously doubt it.
Jenni-- Well, she's unattached.
So would XS be the only Earth born female?
I think thats the big point, its going to be a non-earther and the drama that ensues.
Okay. But what I'm asking is XS the only Earth-born female in the Legion? It would seem that she wouldn't be but I can't think of anyone else but Lana Lang.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Technically, Starhaven can count as an Earth colony.
Celeste came from Earth.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Presumably XS, even if born on Earth, is still half-Aarokian, for what it's worth.
Posted by cleome on :
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quote:Originally posted by Candle: If Levitz continues the indignity of making her FALL IN LOVE with EM, the best thing that could happen to her is to be put out of her misery, imo. That's all.
No, thanks. Seen enough "kill the whore(s)" mentality in the rest of pop culture, thanks.
The cure for bad writing is better writing, which would not be accomplished by bumping the proverbial "scarlet woman" off for the "crime" of sleeping with the wrong dude.
I wasn't crazy about the whole Nura/Atmos pairing. It was creepy, and for the life of me I can't remember now how much of that was intentional on Levitz' part and how much of it was just me thinking, "Oh, merde. They went there."
But at least he didn't compound the ick by subsequently killing her.
Bleah. Posted by cleome on :
quote:Originally posted by jimgallagher:
quote:Originally posted by cleome: I'm highly amused by all the speculation about Earth Man's "friend." Now watch: it'll turn out to be "just a dream" or something and then we'll all be spitting nails. Tsk. Comics.
It's Bobby Ewing!
Posted by Candle on :
quote:Originally posted by cleome: [snip]
quote:Originally posted by Candle: If Levitz continues the indignity of making her FALL IN LOVE with EM, the best thing that could happen to her is to be put out of her misery, imo. That's all.
No, thanks. Seen enough "kill the whore(s)" mentality in the rest of pop culture, thanks.
The cure for bad writing is better writing, which would not be accomplished by bumping the proverbial "scarlet woman" off for the "crime" of sleeping with the wrong dude.
I wasn't crazy about the whole Nura/Atmos pairing. It was creepy, and for the life of me I can't remember now how much of that was intentional on Levitz' part and how much of it was just me thinking, "Oh, merde. They went there."
But at least he didn't compound the ick by subsequently killing her.
Bleah.
Shady was killed long ago in the adult Legion saga. She got a repreave by one of the writers, years later. That's what I'm refering to.
And I don't care if she sleeps/has sex with EM or even has a child with him but to be made by Levitz to FALL IN LOVE with him betrays everything she's ever been, not counting Legion Prime, where I would have expected that Tasmia to chose Kirk for his ruthless mind and powers.
This isn't about being a 'whore'. I never said or implied that.
That idea came from your mind, not mine.
Posted by KryptonKid on :
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: [QB]Oh, I briefly thought about suggesting that maybe it wasn't a LSH ring at all, but an LSV ring, and that it would be Saturn Queen, but that seemed a little too far-fetched.
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An interesting idea that has a lot of merit. It would also explain why Levitz put her in the book in the first place. Remember: He's an insidious genius and he must *not* be stopped!
Posted by duck458 on :
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: Presumably XS, even if born on Earth, is still half-Aarokian, for what it's worth.
So that makes her Calabasian?
Sorry, but I'm kind of fascinated by this. I can think of about six Earth-born males in the Legion but at best there have been, what, two Earth-born females in the history of the Legion. I hadn't realized this before and it informs Earth Man in a way that I had not considered.
Posted by Candle on :
quote:Originally posted by Sarcasm Kid: Technically, Starhaven can count as an Earth colony.
Celeste came from Earth.
From the original boot, many of the female Legionnaires were from Earth colonies, inclucing Winath/Ayla, Starhaven/Dawnstar, Titan/Imra, Cargg/Lu, and possibly Imsk/Salu. In dotREBELS, Starhaven is no longer a 'colony' but the people DO come from Earth.
Naltor and Orando were some how related to Zerox/Sorcerers Planet/Gem World, if I remember correctly but not really 'colonies' of Earth.
Bgtzl/Tinya is connected to Earth through the Buffer Zone and the people might have been originally from Earth or maybe even visa versa, nothing is stated except in the old dotLEGION story, that I remember anyway.
Kathoon/Lydda is unclear to me, but I think it was a colony in the original boot.
The girls that are truly humanoid, with no Earth connections of any kind in the Legion up to this point are Krypton/Kara and Talok VIII/Shady. Durla/Yera is the most alien since she's not humanoid.
We haven't seen Celeste, Kono, Sassa or Drura in the Legion yet.
Gigi and Shaugvhn are Earther's, right?
Sorry if I missed someone(s) from the original or retroboots.
Posted by future king on :
I'm not sure about the accuracy of your entire list but Gigi and Shvaughn are indeed from Earth.
Posted by duck458 on :
Being on an Earth colony is not the same as being born on Earth. I wonder why there are so few Earth-born female Legionairres?
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
There's also Computo and Catspaw.
Posted by Set on :
IMO, the roundabout answer to the question of why so many Legion femmes aren't from Earth is that it's so that the writers didn't have to bother to write up origin stories for them.
Imra, Lu, Tinya, Kara, Violet and Nura's 'origin story' never needs to be drawn or mentioned, since everyone on their respective homeworlds has their powers. Dirk got locked in a reactor by Dr. Regulus. Mon got trapped in the Zone for 1000 years. Jo got swallowed by a whale. A meteor nearly landed on Gim, and the whacky guy decided to huff it!
But we won't see the action-packed 'origin story' of Luornu, because it would require drawing her mom's hoo-hoo. Plop, plop, plop. Cue wail in triplicate. End origin.
Lightning Lass becomes the first Legionnaire to have an origin more complicated than 'born that way, I did nothing for these powers, there's nothing at all special about me,' and Shadow Lass becomes the first female Legionairre to have her own (mostly) unique origin story.
It's not until the Reboot, with Zoe Saugin, that we see a female Legionnaire who *did something* to gain super-powers. (Although, Comet Queen, from the classic continuity has a similar active, instead of reactive, origin story.)
And, unsurprisingly, both of those examples, of women actively gaining powers, like old Invisible Lyle brewing up that serum, are portrayed as *unwise* women, avaricious in the one case, impetuous and flighty in the other, suggesting that it's okay for Lyle or Val to better themselves by providing their own 'origin stories,' but there's got to be something wrong with a woman who empowers herself.
None of this, IMO, is deliberate. I don't think any of the Legion writers I've read interviews from had any sort of 'keep the woman down' agenda, but it's a product of a deeply-entrenched mindset.
Boys want to read stories about boys, and the comics were written by and for boys. The boys get the exciting origin stories. The girls just happen to have super-powers, and exist to be their girlfriends, having to be paired off relatively quickly, while male characters (like Sun Boy, Invisible Lyle or Chameleon Boy) can remain solo operators for extended periods.
Posted by cleome on :
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Set wrote:
quote:...It's not until the Reboot, with Zoe Saugin, that we see a female Legionnaire who *did something* to gain super-powers. (Although, Comet Queen, from the classic continuity has a similar active, instead of reactive, origin story.)
No offense to all the Reboot fans, but the White Witch was there first.
BTW, there's no reason why it has to be an either-or proposition. Violet, for instance, has long been canonically able to shrink to a much smaller size than most of her people. Nothing wrong with hereditary strength + application and study; apart from the fact that it requires more thought put into it than oh, a satellite hit me and now I've got powers!
The same applies with the relationship thing. I wouldn't mind more single, unattached characters. But I also wouldn't mind more stories where characters with an SO could go out and do stuff with friends. This is especially true of female characters, who get few enough friendships with each other in any medium out there.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
For what it's worth, I'd say that some of "hereditary" powers types have some of the most interesting origin stories, by the time you factor in the elaborate explanations of why you would have a planet filled with people with that ability.
Certainly the Imskians developing their shrinking ability to deal with periodic shrinking of their planet is as interesting as "invented an invisibility serum" or "almost got hit by a falling meteor".
Posted by Candle on :
Yes, but they, the Imskians, didn't develop their powers of shrinking by studying. They used bioengineering/chemical engineering to accomplish that feat. Unless DC just uses the metagene like it's a wish maker.
If it's metagenes exclusively, then the colonies changes make them the same, essentially, as EM, don't they?
(I was trying to only include Legionnaires who were in the Legion during this particular boot, EDE. I should have added the 2 C's to the 'not in the Legion yet' list.)
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Just to be clear, I was responding to Set's theory that the reason there are no femmes on Earth is so that they could give them easy, boring "hereditary power" origins.
Posted by Set on :
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: Just to be clear, I was responding to Set's theory that the reason there are no femmes on Earth is so that they could give them easy, boring "hereditary power" origins.
I used neither the word 'easy,' nor 'boring,' in the theorem, but yes, that is within spitting distance of where I was going.
Sun Boy's origin comes with it's own super-villain that can show up later as a recurring character / nemesis, Dr. Regulus. Someone *tried to murder him* in his origin story.
Dream Girl was born. That's her complete origin story.
I think my argument, that the writers of the day put more thought, more effort and more creativity into the origin stories of the male characters than they did to the origin stories of the female characters, is fair.
The first male Legionnaire whose origin wasn't 'born this way' was Lightning Lad.
The first female Legionnaire whose origin story wasn't 'born this way' was Lightning *Lass,* whose origin story was, 'See Garth.'
Yes, much later, it became interesting to come up with explanation for *why* there's an entire planet full of people who can triplicate, or an entire universe full of 'phantom people' adjacent to earth-space, but I'm not prepared to credit the original creators in the 1960s for the ideas that Mark Waid had about Bgtzl and Cargg in 2004. Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
I'd say Phantom Girl's origin, which basically amounts to "Hey, let's have a girl who instantiates the old sci-fi trope of phantom people from the 4th dimension" is basically on the same level as "Hey, let's have a kid who turns invisible because he swallowed a serum like the Invisible Man" or "Hey, let's have a guy who's name Jo Nah and gets powers after being swallowed by a beast like Jonah".
While the explanation for how Dream Girl got her powers may be that they were hereditary, the fact that she gets a whole issue devoted to her introduction and then a fairly elaborate story about how she actually permanently joins the team gives her a far more interesting "origin" than, say, Colossal Boy, whose "fallen meteorite" origin is briefly mentioned in a text page and not depicted on panel for, like, twenty years (I believe it was very briefly shown in Secrets, and then Levitz devoted a whole issue to it).
Really, the only origin stories that get particularly elaborated at all in the Silver Age are the Ranzzes, Bouncing Boy, and Sun Boy. Unless you count Proty II, since the story of the Antareans gets repeated about four or five times in the Silver Age.
Plus, there's nothing stopping an Earth-born Legionnaire from having a "born that way" origin. In fact, one of them does: Ferro Lad. They could very easily have simply said, "Hey, Triplicate Girl's from Earth, but she's a mutant with three bodies." Instead they actually went for the slightly more interesting "The three suns of Cargg imbue its inhabitants with the ability to triplicate", which invites elaboration on why that could possibly be so. Of course, we never really get much of an explanation in regards to Luornu, but that's mostly because a) she's written out in the early bronze age and b) the fact that she's been reduced to "Duo Damsel" (which disconnected her from her origin).
Posted by Set on :
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: [QB] I'd say Phantom Girl's origin, which basically amounts to "Hey, let's have a girl who instantiates the old sci-fi trope of phantom people from the 4th dimension" is basically on the same level as "Hey, let's have a kid who turns invisible because he swallowed a serum like the Invisible Man" or "Hey, let's have a guy who's name Jo Nah and gets powers after being swallowed by a beast like Jonah".
I see all three of those origins as radically different.
Lyle's origin is deliberate, and tells us something about him. He's a genius. He grants himself super-powers through the application of that genius. He's a self-made superhero.
Tinya's origin is passive. It happened to her, and while there's apparently an entire universe full of phantom people out there, it's years before we see any of them.
Jo's origin is the worst of the lot. It's not only completely ripped off of some old story, he's a totally passive recipient of the process by which he gains his powers, and his powers themselves are 'like Superboy, but way more limited.'
Tinya's origin blows Jo away, in that she's not a victim of the process by which she gained her powers, and her powers are at least original to the Legion, and not a watered-down cut-and-paste of some other Legionnaire.
Her powers, on the other hand, show a complete lack of thought. She's described as moving through a 4th spatial dimension which us 3D sorts can't access, and yet she's shown walking through walls, and people. If she was moving *around* these walls and people, via a 4th dimension that 3D people could not access, she would physically disappear from view to a 3D person while 'going around' the 3D item. Her power would look like phasing, it would look like very short-range teleportation, or, depending on how the visual effect would be perceived by 3D sensory appartus, *might* appear to be some sort of Shrinking power, that allows her to step towards a person, shrink *into* them, and then step out the other side, expanding in a split second to her full size.
Either would work, for the 'fourth dimension' aspect, but she's instead just your bargain basement intangible girl, depicted as having powers no different than Kitty Pryde (and even, in some instances, apparently being able to disrupt stuff she 'phases' through, in complete contradition to how her powers are defined).
Waid botched it even further, defining her power as the ability to physically be either 'here' or 'there' (on Bgtzl), while perceiving both places simultaneously. And then he, completely contrary to that description, shows her phasing all over the place, despite the fact that Bgtzl is shown as a world full of walls and people and vehicles, and if she just arbitrarily phased, she'd have a 50/50 chance of slamming into a Bgtzln wall! There would be *thousands* of places where there would be a wall (or tree, or mountain) in both Bgtzl *and* Earth, and she would be unable to phase, because 'the way would be blocked' no matter which universe she shunted her mass into.
Under this definition, there would also be vast expanses of settled territory on Bgtzl that would block her ability to phase. She'd be walking intangibly through a room in the HQ, and suddenly have to turn tangible, because, in Bgtzl, there was a cafeteria there, blocking her path, creating the surreal image of Phantom Girl constantly having to 'un-phase' to avoid traffic or whatever in Bgtzl, because her quarters in the Legion HQ just happen to be an emergency vehicle landing pad on Bgtzl...
So yeah, there's a ton of potential for 'Phantom World' to be used creatively, but, really, we see more of Dr. Zaxton Regulus, don't we?
And does that just prove my point? That no matter how incredibly much raw potential there is in the existence of Bgtzl, the writers seem more interested in bringing back Mekt Ranzz for another fight?
Posted by Red Arrow on :
She probably gained the power of disruption because of X-Men fans (and former creative staff?) writing the books and various TV series. I would like to point out that Kitty Pryde is considered one of the most powerful X-Men, so there's alot of potential for Tinya's powerset.
Posted by Ken Arromdee on :
I think this is absurd. If you pick at any Silver Age character deeply enough you'll find something to criticize. Since every character has such a thing, this makes it possible to pick the particular criticisms that happened to have appeared first on female characters, ignore the ones that happen to have appeared first on male characters, and point to that as evidence that the early Legion mistreated its females.
And you know, Dream Girl's initial story tells you she's a genius just like Lyle, even though it isn't an origin in the sense of describing how she got powers.
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