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Originally posted by DrakeB3004:
-- Oh, and of course we know the Fatal Five are coming to "Brave & the Bold" next month
-- Aside from Venegar, this month's "B&B" also mentions interlac (no surprise "B&B" has Legion references with Waid as writer...)

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They also reference a "planetary chance" machine... which was also the name of a device the Adventure era Legion used.
 

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Posted by Omni Craig on :
 
Buddy has also adapted the power of the Sun Eaters in 52, another Legion tie-in, since they were first used in Legion.
 

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Posted by stephbarton on :
 
In the most recent issue of Action comics Superman faces off against a sun eater (it's a flashback tale told by Pa Kent who was there at the time) and he tells Pa, I've faced them before, but then I had help. Or something along those lines, I didn't buy the issue, just read it in the shop.
 

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Posted by kenaustin on :
 
Sun Girl (Deborah Morgna) from Teen Titans #42-45.
 

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Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
 
Sun Girl? Never heard of her. How did she get her powers? Any pics available?
 

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Posted by Nightcrawler on :
 
Sun Girl.
 

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Posted by Nightcrawler on :
 

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-- Buddy Baker tapping into the powers of a Sun-Eater.

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-- Infectious Lass in "Tales of the Unexpected"

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-- That Durlan agent (I think named Daggle?) in "Green Lantern Corps"

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Posted by Nightcrawler on :
 

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-- That Durlan agent (I think named Daggle?) in "Green Lantern Corps"

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-- Venegar in "Brave & the Bold"

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Originally posted by DrakeB3004:
-- in "Green Lantern" #18, there's a black-haired, blue skinned woman in a black cape and bikini named Lyssa Drak of Talok IV. She's part of the Sinestro Corps and is the keeper of the "Book of Parallax"

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Posted by Nightcrawler on :
 

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-- and of course the JSA.

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Originally posted by stephbarton:
In the most recent issue of Action comics Superman faces off against a sun eater (it's a flashback tale told by Pa Kent who was there at the time) and he tells Pa, I've faced them before, but then I had help. Or something along those lines, I didn't buy the issue, just read it in the shop.

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Originally posted by kenaustin:
Sun Girl (Deborah Morgna) from Teen Titans #42-45.

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Posted by wndola1 on :
 
Who is the speedster?


And don't forget the GL Corpse storyline with the Durlan Named Daggle featured the Dominators as the bad guys.
 

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Posted by wndola1 on :
 
Oh and the article in wizard this month basically explained that the JLA/JSA crossover is really a JLA/JSA/Legion crossover with no pussyfooting around. I'm just wondering where in Silver Age legion this takes place and how are they going to deal with the silver age supergirl issue?
 

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Originally posted by wndola1:
Who is the speedster?

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Originally posted by legionboy:
In the Action comics annual. There is mention of Mon-el and a set of statues of the legion in the fortress of solitude.

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Originally posted by wndola1:
Read all 4 issues of the new series they are chock full and you wont be disappointed!

Also you will want all of this upcoming crossover with the JLA

The Wizard article explained it as a 3 way crossover with Legion.

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Originally posted by Matthew E:
But I wonder, does this whole thing make JLA #1-6 necessary for Legion AR collectors?

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Also if the DNA belongs to you know who? Haven't we already seen... Click Here For A Spoilerthe WaK Karate Kid among the JLA?(JSA)

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wndola, i saw him on... Click Here For A Spoileron that big cover image a while ago with a bunch of DC heroes on it. The american flag?

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Originally posted by Jo Nah TMK:

I think the WaK LSH is on one Earth and the Levitz era/etc are on another Earth, and that will be revealed through the crossover. WaK LSH would be the future Earth of the mainline DCU, and the Levitz LSH would be the future of new Earth 2 or whatever.

No matter what any of this means, and no matter how much i like most versions of the LSH, having different versions of the LSH appearing concurrently just seems like a horrible idea to me. The Legion (perhaps deservedly so) seems to non-LSH fans to be too confusing because of its reboots, and having multiple versions running around can't help matters at all. i worry for the future of the current LSH title, and for having any LSH title left standing after mucking about with them once again.

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Personally I agree that the pre-crisis Legion will be revealed to be from Earth 2, but not necessarily a NEW Earth 2. Here's the theory I've been working on... Basically as a result of the Infinte Crisis Earth-2 was brought back in a sense, and that may have resulted in some of these characters leaking into the regular DC timeline and universe. So, basically while originally from Earth-2 they were misplaced if you will because of the Crises... some to places like Kingdom Come (i.e. Starboy/man).
 

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Posted by wndola1 on :
 
Right if they were from our real silver age how do you deal with the super girl never existed issue?

I am still rooting for the theory that Power girl took so much longer getting to earth because she took a 5 year detour in the future.
 

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Posted by Chemical King on :
 
Oh my this is getting sooooo complicated... and I KNOW all of Legion history. How is any new freader to jump on board if they make the BEGINNING this complicated???

I really love to see Levitz-era Legionnaires jumping around, but I don't see how this could come to a satisfying end... I really don't...

Thanks for posting this info, though. I quit the new JLA book after 4 issues because I just did not get what it was all about, especially because I did not know all those villains. Except for Grundy.
 

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Posted by Ultra Jorge on :
 
Chemical King, at this point I think they are just going to bring back the old complicated DC.

New readers? It's not like there is a ton of new readers jumping on. I think they figured in this new direct market world that the same amount of readers will jump on no matter what.

I honestly don't think there is a Earth2, etc. I think they just all remember there being multiple earths. But what does that mean for the Legion?
 

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JSA is selling like hotcakes so it must be working on some level
 

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Posted by Timberwolf on :
 
Well I think it might be the WaK KK only because Batman says he is from the 31st century, and isn't only the current one from there, or is the one before it from there too?
 

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Posted by Querl Dox on :
 
Timberwolf, after reading what Brad Meltzer is saying about it in his latest interview, it does seem to be KK from WaK.

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NRAMA: So – winding down the issue…the obvious place to end would be that final page – the tease for the upcoming crossover. One of the Starro people – Karate Kid from the Legion of Super-Heroes?


BM: Yep – that’s it – the team up is coming, and it’s JLA/JSA/LSH, baby. Acronyms abound. But if you look again at eh very first image of the Justice League we released, Karate Kid was sanding there in the background, and then we pulled him out.

Geoff [Johns] and I have been planning this since we were seven years old.

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Originally posted by legionboy:
Plus in Justice League of America #1 Batman refers to Superman's Legion flight ring.

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Originally posted by Matthew E:
But I wonder, does this whole thing make JLA #1-6 necessary for Legion AR collectors?

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Posted by Fat Cramer on :
 
Close enough to count as a Legion appearance, given the context of the book...

From Welcome to Tranquility #3 - 2 months old but which I just got today. I believe these kids are a version of Sun Boy (mish-mashed with Element Lad's soul patch), Dawnstar (feather, dark skin), Ultra Boy (bare chest). The red haired girl - ?? and the girl in purple makes me think of Violet, because of the colour, or even a female Lyle (Leila?) because of the jacket.



Maybe the WaK Legion connects to the Wildstorm universe and the pre-boot Legion to the DCU.

[ April 08, 2007, 04:58 AM: Message edited by: Fat Cramer ]
 

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Posted by Thriftshop Debutante on :
 
The blond guy does look very Legion-y, but that's Gen 13. .

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Posted by Dain on :
 

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Maybe the WaK Legion connects to the Wildstorm universe and the pre-boot Legion to the DCU.

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Originally posted by Nightcrawler:
Imagine how cool the JLA storyline would have been if they used the Revenger rather than Trident. Sigh. They never see the obvious choices.

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Originally posted by Thriftshop Debutante:
The blond guy does look very Legion-y, but that's Gen 13. .

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But I wonder, does this whole thing make JLA #1-6 necessary for Legion AR collectors?

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Originally posted by Kid Quislet:
It also had the 21st century Persuader and his axe appear briefly.

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(and maybe that image/post should be deleted?)

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Imagine how cool the JLA storyline would have been if they used the Revenger rather than Trident. Sigh. They never see the obvious choices.

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I don't get it. Who's Revenger?

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If I was going to use some two-bit villain for a JLA storyline that I'd later use to play "Karate Kid" in my JLA/JSA cross-over, then I'd pick someone from Val's series in the 70's.

Looking over the list of possibilities...

Nemesis Kid - KARATE KID #1
Major Disaster - KARATE KID #2 & 11 & 13
The Revenger - KARATE KID #3
Master Hand - KARATE KID #4
Commander Blud - KARATE KID #5 & 6
Gyro-Master - KARATE KID #7
Pulsar - KARATE KID #8 & 9
Black Dragon II - KARATE KID #10
Lord of Time - KARATE KID #12 & 13 & 15
Diamondeth - KARATE KID #14

I'd pick the Revenger, certainly over Triton. Where's the symmetry?

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Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
 
Thanks for the info on Revenger! Maybe choosing someone from KK's own series either might've tipped their hat too soon or it might've called into question whether or not those stories are in continuity. Either way, it'll be interesting to see how Val ended up here.
 

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Posted by Nightcrawler on :
 

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Originally posted by DrakeB3004:
Maybe choosing someone from KK's own series either might've tipped their hat too soon or it might've called into question whether or not those stories are in continuity.

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Originally posted by Omni Craig:
Been a lot of appearances of Legion-related beings in both Green Lantern and Green Lantern Corps over the past few months. For example, Hal's been chased by bounty hunters for a few months now, and a trio of them were Dominators.

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Posted by Nightcrawler on :
 

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Originally posted by Omni Craig:
Also, the current Outsiders arc has had some Dominators appearances (particularly in issue #44)

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Originally posted by Kid Quislet:
52 had also featured the Eye of Ekron a few weeks back.

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Posted by Nightcrawler on :
 

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Originally posted by Kid Quislet:
52 had also featured the Eye of Ekron a few weeks back.

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Originally posted by Kid Quislet:
52 had also featured the Eye of Ekron a few weeks back.

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Posted by Tamper Lad on :
 
From Brad Meltzer's Blog the promised cover of JLA 8.

Click Here For A Spoiler

[ April 11, 2007, 11:00 AM: Message edited by: Tamper Lad ]
 

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Posted by Nightcrawler on :
 
Thanks Peter!
 

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Posted by Ultra Jorge on :
 
that is not the WaK karate kid?!
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
I hope he's written like the preboot Karate Kid, rather than newer versions!
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
According to Tony Bedard:

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The JSA/JLA stuff won't impact on my LEGION issues, but it will echo elsewhere in a very high-profile way. (sorry to be so vague, but I'm never sure what cards DC wants to keep close to their vest)

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Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester:
I hope he's written like the preboot Karate Kid, rather than newer versions!

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Originally posted by Tamper Lad:
From Brad Meltzer's Blog the promised cover of JLA 8.

Click Here For A Spoiler

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Now thats funny. When i click on the spoiler box all i get is a blank. yet if i cut and paste the IMg tag into a new window i can see the cover
 

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Posted by Faraway Lad on :
 
And now having seen the cover, apart from the obvious story attraction of seeing Val like that I have to say I am not impressed with the artist. Is that this Michael Turner I have heard so many people rave about?
 

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Posted by Set on :
 
It is a very ugly picture of Val. It looks like he was trying to put a slight Asian feel to it, but just ended up making him look deformed.

Turner is actually a good artist, with his own creations. His versions of other people's characters aren't always so hot, and everyone seems to end up with the same very, very square jaws.

Ironically, this picture of Val is one of the few attempts I've seen where he's tried to get away from the square jaw, and given how awful it looks, perhaps he should have stuck to what he's good at...

Slow loading (the site's in France, I think), but here's some samples of his stuff.

http://the.bastet.free.fr/VO/witchblademain.htm

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Posted by Nightcrawler on :
 
I think the neck is too skinny which is why Val looks sick.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Hmm... while I don't usually like Turner's stuff, this didn't actually strike me as bad as usual.
 

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Posted by Spellbinder on :
 
I like his version of Mister Terrific.
 

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Posted by tyrociscool on :
 
I am completely befuddled by that cover. That Karate Kid is dead (Losh #4).

I would not like to see him retconned back into existence as it would completely ruin the Sensor Girl character that came after.

I loved Jeckie as Sensor Girl and thought that she was one of the strongest characters in the late Levitz run.
 

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Posted by Blockade Boy on :
 
Might not be so bad an adjustment. KK wouldn't be being retconned back into existence if he's from the Legion before his death. He simply wouldn't have died "yet." Similar to reading the ADV "adult legion" stories in which the statues told of someone that was to die. Didn't ruin any of the ADV era characters. Letting the readers know a character's future can be a great plot point and character developer, (as long as the writers don't try an weasel out of it).

I hope they don't try and hit the fanbase with yet another reboot Legion.... I wonder if they lost quite a few more than they reclaimed after the last reboot, even with a name writer and artist.

As much as I love the pre-Crisis, pre-Mordroverse Legion, If they're going to change versions, I agree with at least one other that wrote, using the Legion at the end of DnA's run, neglecting the last four issues before WaK might make for the easiest to understand transition, but they hardly ever go for "easiest to understand." LoL

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Posted by Tromium on :
 
I have a baaaad feeling about this. The pre-Crisis stories are the only unsullied and sacrosanct things left of the original Legion, now it appears they plan to screw them up, too.

Putting some skinny neck, pinched-faced guy in an old Karate Kid costume doesn't make him the original Karate Kid if a big, important chunk of his pre-Crisis history has been rewritten, overwritten or rewound. I'd rather have a thousand reboots than see something like that happen.
 

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Posted by Chemical King on :
 
One thing is for sure: They will do SOMETHING with the Pre-Crisis Legion because otherwise they would not "easteregg" so many old Legionnaires like Dreamy and Val all over the DCverse.

So the question is no longer "if" but "how" they will bring back the good old times. Right now, comic book buyers - not kids anymore, but mostly twenty- and thirtysomethings with a huge love for the nostalgia part of comics - seem to be very keen on getting "old school" stuff with new school storywriting, see JLA and JSA and Green Lantern. So TPTB obviously try to milk the nostalgia cow, at the same time giving the Legion oldtimers like me what they are clamoring for since 1994 - bring back the old continuity!

Now it is clear that there is no "logical" or "believable" way to do this anyhow, cause the old continuity was very complicated and hard to access for new readers. Still, the old continuity survived for over 30 years whereas the Reboot "Archie" Legion - which was started to solve all continuity trouble - had managed to totally screw up its own continuity AGAIN by doing mindless time travel crossovers and totally crappy Darkseid maneuvers... so certainly there won't be a return to the Reboot Legion.

So how will it all happen? Though I think that the Magic Wars time would be the most logical returning point, it seems that the more "nostalgic" moment to go back would be around #300, with Blok, Witchy and Jacques being the new guys, the costumes being bringht and colourful and the "what happened before" story not being much more than what every comic reader can easily look up in the good old "Secrets of the Legion" mini. So it would be easy to reprint that mini, add some stuff about Darkseid and Computo and jump on the old continuity (with GEORGE PEREZ as the artist ) after playfully hinting at it for maybe some further year, using Countdown, the JSA and JLA to slowly let the idea slip.

I am not totally happy with kind of loosing all the stories after #300 - heck, the Legion of Supervillains storyline of Universo Project are among my alltime favorites - but hey, I have lost them once before and now I'm (MAYBE) getting a lot of those old stories back again? I'm in. But I'm a nostalgic oldtimer. Will this book sell? Legion v.5 or v.6 (how far are we?)? Will it make more money than Waids desperate attempt to tell a story?

Considering the current streams on the market, I think it will - and therefore, DC will do it. Welcome back, you heroes of my childhood - I missed you so much!
 

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Posted by Nightcrawler on :
 

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Originally posted by Tromium:
Putting some skinny neck, pinched-faced guy in an old Karate Kid costume doesn't make him the original Karate Kid if a big, important chunk of his pre-Crisis history has been rewritten, overwritten or rewound.

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The "art" is for the cover only. KK has a strong thick neck based on the interior art...see examples in this thread.

Personally, I've always thought the best Legion would be one started from a popular part of Legion history (I picked LSH #300, too.) and going from there. No rewrites. Just ignore the crap since. Having some of the gems (Gates, living Lyle, etc.) be sprinkled into the future adventures to make everyone feel included.
 

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Posted by Tamper Lad on :
 
Tromium is right. I kinda think all the fans venerate the pre-boot LSH precisely because they couldn't have it.

Once they bring it back the potential to mess it up is so great. And I know Meltzer and Johns love the bronze age DCU. Remember how much Meltzer loved the satellite JLA?

I thought Identity Crisis was a good comic story but just remember the stories that they'll be telling are not from the Bronze Age DCU.

So I don't want to hear any complaints when Zaryan rapes Triplicate Girl in the upside down rocket ship causing Saturn Girl to mindwipe the entire team. Of course this causes Brainiac 5 to become really unhinged so he builds this huge invisible fortress in the sky to spy on and neutralize his teammates if necessary.

Nah what kind of hack story is that, couldn't happen.

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Posted by Blockade Boy on :
 

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Putting some skinny neck, pinched-faced guy

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Hmm... I also agree with Tromium that we should be skeptical of what's going to happen in regards to these Legion appearances. Given the direction of the current DCU, I'm not sure I want the classic Legion sullied by being made a part of it. Meltzer and Johns especially scare me, because they seem to be the leaders in the trend of "Let's revert everything back to 1983 but with lots more sex and gore".
 

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Posted by Igee The Mighty on :
 
Over at the 'Rama:

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=108367

Welp...cat's out of the bag! With KK, Dream Girl & Star Boy in what appears to be the 21st century, and with Dawnstar's fringe making a cameo...color me confused as to how evertything ties together...

By the way, how could Batman's computer figure out that KK's from the 31st century? Tachyons?
 

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Posted by Nightcrawler on :
 
FYI, this discussusion is also taking place here. Thanks for the Newsarama link Igee!


You can see why Batman's computer figured out the ID in the last image here. The reason why is obvious as shown here.

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Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
 
Maybe this *is* the WaK Legion, but it all takes place before Legion of Super-Heroes #1?? The team was already formed when the title started. Maybe the Starboy we know took on the other Starboy's name after he disappeared (are they both named Thom Kallor? Then he second one could be Thom Jr...) , Dawnstar used to be a member and KK used to wear that outfit and had a jaunt in the 31st century. Maybe this team's original inspiration is the JSA?

Questions abound...
 

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Posted by Chemical King on :
 
Can anybody tell me in which exact issues the appearances of Dawny, Dreamy and Star Boy (not Stary) took place? I managed to get JSA ##3-4 via Ebay and the newer issues via my regular shop - what else do I have to get for my AR collection ?
 

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Posted by Matthew E on :
 
Dawnstar's arm was in #1. Starman has been in all the issues so far, and I believe he's said or done something Legion-related in all of them except maybe one (and that one is #3 or #4). Dream Girl was in #4, I think.

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Maybe this *is* the WaK Legion, but it all takes place before Legion of Super-Heroes #1?? The team was already formed when the title started. Maybe the Starboy we know took on the other Starboy's name after he disappeared (are they both named Thom Kallor? Then he second one could be Thom Jr...) , Dawnstar used to be a member and KK used to wear that outfit and had a jaunt in the 31st century. Maybe this team's original inspiration is the JSA?

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Originally posted by Kid Quislet:
I believe DC has just given up on any strict continuity of stories and characters over a long period of time. While they are indeed reviving elements from stories past (Silver Age gems), they are focused on making quality stories for the here and now, and reviving characters from the dead, contradicting relationships and general histories are secondary to this end (too much work for the editors and writers to keep straight).

Apparently, we readers respond best to the "quick-hitter" stories. It doesn't matter whether five or ten years ago Jeckie was dating T-Wolf or Karate Kid, or whether Karate Kid died or not, or if Jeckie was born a human or snake, or if she became Sensor Girl or not, etc. The writers have license to pick up wherever they deem necessary to sell a comic.

This can make for some good story telling for readers who take it day by day, but could be irritating/confusing for consistency buffs.

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Notice Dawny in the background, probably to the next JSA cover...

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Posted by Blockade Boy on :
 
Shrinking Violet would hang in good with that group (a la Atom). Maybe she is on the cover, smallish.
 

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Posted by Matthew E on :
 
Okay, I just took a quick read through JLA #8.

Click Here For A SpoilerThere are seven Legionnaires scattered around the 21st century; Starman and Karate Kid and five others. Of the five others, one's obviously Dream Girl in Arkham, and one's gotta be Dawnstar on Thanagar.

Batman and Black Lightning have to subdue Karate Kid, who still thinks he's Trident, on and off. Because there's a JLA/JSA reunion going on they're able to compare notes with Mr. Terrific, who hooks them up with Starman. Starman restores Val's memory completely by saying 'Lightning Lad' to him in Interlac. 'Lightning Lad', again in Interlac, is the title of the issue, so there must be something up with that.

Then they use Val's flight ring to trace what other flight rings are around, to find the other Legionnaires Val and Thom say are there. Here's the intriguing part: In addition to these seven flight rings, Superman has two of his own, there's also Booster Gold's one, Supergirl has one, and Vril Dox has one.

No word on why the Legionnaires are there, or why they're exactly where they are.

At the end of the issue the JLA and JSA split into five teams to go look for the other Legionnaires.

Oh, and I also got Brave and Bold #3, with Batman and Blue Beetle against the Fatal Five. Much less interesting: Click Here For A SpoilerBasically, the Time Lord wants the supersonic framistat that Batman and Blue Beetle are trying to get, so he summons the Five from the future to be his muscle. If there's more to it than that, I missed it.

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Took another pass through JLA #8, and have more details:

Click Here For A SpoilerA couple of guys show up in a hospital in 1948 to take a dying Dolores Winter (aka the Ultra-Humanite) to the future. No idea who they are. I get a Brainy vibe off one of them but realistically I think they're villains.

The Fortress of Solitude computer has Karate Kid listed as a level-15 fighter, and Batman's only level 12.
 

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Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
 
Here's the link in Gym'll's discussing this topic too:
JLA/JSA/LSH Crossove
 

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Posted by Awkward Pause Boy on :
 
From Dan Didio at Newsarama, about Countdown.

Click Here For A Spoiler“Oh, and the storyline that spins from the JLA/JSA crossover, which features members of the Legion of Super-Heroes touches on Countdown as well, and what you’ll find out is that Karate Kid was left in the past – in our time, hopefully to unravel what’s going on the DC Universe. He’s left behind for a purpose. It wasn’t his choice. He was left."
 

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Better check out Brave & the Bold #5

http://dccomics.com/comics/?cm=7636

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Between the Levitz LSH'ers appearing in the JLA?JSA/LSH crossover and now the WaK LSH'ers in B&B, Didio's comments about KK in a recent 'Rama article, it appears there's a strong LSH push coming our way.
 

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Between the Levitz LSH'ers appearing in the JLA?JSA/LSH crossover and now the WaK LSH'ers in B&B, Didio's comments about KK in a recent 'Rama article, it appears there's a strong LSH push coming our way.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Matthew E:
[qb]Okay, I just took a quick read through JLA #8.

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Oh, and I also got Brave and Bold #3, with Batman and Blue Beetle against the Fatal Five.

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Originally posted by Matthew E:
Oh, and I also got Brave and Bold #3, with Batman and Blue Beetle against the Fatal Five.

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The Composite Batman?
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
wow nobody mentioned Wildfire?

Hint: that is.....according to DC Nation, Dan DiDio said that there is a legionnaire who is a "second soldier" ready to make an appearance in the JSA.

[ April 25, 2007, 01:09 AM: Message edited by: superboymddjr ]
 

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Posted by Ultra Jorge on :
 
superboymddjr, i don't get the "second soldier" thing?
 

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i think it has to do something indirectly with 7 Soldiers of Victory way back in JLA/JSA/7SSV crossover way back in JLA #100-102 (or #107/108?) and there are some similiarities between the Law Legionnaires and the Legionnaires that they were "lost" in time/space, So henceforth, that was Dan who commented that we will see the 2nd "soldier" in the book of JSA (which turns out to be a certain cocky attitude member we came to love). First soldier is Karate Kid, now who are 5 left? I am not sure if Star Boy, Dream Girl, and others are considered as Soldiers...??? Beats me why they called 2nd soldier instead of 4th soldier.
 

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btw, GL Corps #8 Darkseid shows up against the "Dominator" (a genetic enhanced...dominiator).

Darkseid is upset and says the Dominator is going to mess up his careful machinations. hmm?
 

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thanks superboymddjr. I got it now.
 

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btw, GL Corps #8 Darkseid shows up against the "Dominator" (a genetic enhanced...dominiator).

Darkseid is upset and says the Dominator is going to mess up his careful machinations. hmm?

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so cool! jeez with those abs they could all pass as extras on the set of 300!

oh and where's proty ?
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
Imitating Wildfire on the right?
 

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so cool! jeez with those abs they could all pass as extras on the set of 300!

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Originally posted by Ultra Jorge:
btw, GL Corps #8 Darkseid shows up against the "Dominator" (a genetic enhanced...dominiator).

Darkseid is upset and says the Dominator is going to mess up his careful machinations. hmm?

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That wasn't Darkseid. It was Daggle trying to fool the Dominator to stall for time.

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Damn that Durlan Daggle! I shouldn't have read it on my way out the house before work!
 

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>bump<

Nothing to see here citizen. Move along.
 

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I would really like to see a Corpse book especially if they bumbed heads with L.E.G.I.O.N. and Vril from time to time...
 

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Posted by Yellow Kid on :
 
Thank you Scott!

Now, what does the interlac in the last panel say?
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
suicide
 

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Originally posted by Yellow Kid:

Now, what does the interlac in the last panel say?

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It says 'suicide'
 

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Posted by wndola1 on :
 
Ok now who dug out the who's who for the chart and who cheated like me and used the interlac font?
 

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Thanks!
 

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Ok now who dug out the who's who for the chart and who cheated like me and used the interlac font?

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Not me. After all these years I've actually begun to recognize a lot of the letters and can usually fill in the gaps enough to read it. Which means I probably need to get a life.

[ May 17, 2007, 10:39 PM: Message edited by: Lightning Lad ]
 

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Let me help you feel better about yourself LL by reminding you of my insane Saint Patrick's day shirt at WWLA for which I will forever be known as "that crazy interlac shirt girl" by a terrified Wayne and Didio


That and I carry a D&D bottle opener on my keyring just so I can win who's the biggest geek contests

[ May 17, 2007, 11:01 PM: Message edited by: wndola1 ]
 

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We all need similar shirts for next year. If they can't read Interlac at the Legion's 50th then they need to be educated.
 

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I can send you one when I get home tonight.

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Let me help you feel better about yourself LL by reminding you of my insane Saint Patrick's day shirt at WWLA for which I will forever be known as "that crazy interlac shirt girl" by a terrified Wayne and Didio

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Ok now who dug out the who's who for the chart and who cheated like me and used the interlac font?

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Not me. After all these years I've actually begun to recognize a lot of the letters and can usually fill in the gaps enough to read it. Which means I probably need to get a life.

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After all these years I've actually begun to recognize a lot of the letters and can usually fill in the gaps enough to read it. Which means I probably need to get a life.

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Oh good, it's not just me...

Gosh, did I love seeing Timber Wolf all leaderly. I'd forgotten how much I loved that character. I'm not in love with whatever reddish tint they had going on with his skin, tho.
 

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Posted by wndola1 on :
 
I will say I am right now the bigger Legion geek than my husband but he has the longer history of legion love. The other night we took a look at the preview of the map for the upcoming Heroclix Legion set

http://www.wizkidsgames.com/heroclix/marvel/gameresources.asp?cid=41417
http://www.wizkidsgames.com/heroclix/images/LegionMap_Central_small.pdf

and I pulled out the Who's Who to check out all the interlat. I was struggling wiht I think thats a c and that's and o while he just spit out the words.

now... This one is from
Countdown 39-35
"Karate Kid ventures to Oracle for answers."

It's like my own comics Reeces Peanut butter cup. Two great things that go great together!!! LOSH and BOP

Also
JUSTICE SOCIETY OF AMERICA #8
"Plus, Starman helps Power Girl make a startling discovery concerning the 52."

Tee Hee what could it be... Now obviously we know 2 things... 1 neither Val nor Thom die or are sent back to wherever they came from.


Oh and we have a Dox sighting of some kind over in Booster Gold. Since Brainy is so closely connected to booster and time travel I think it's Querl. but it could easily be Vril

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/aug07/preview/BGOLD_Cv1_REV.jpg

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Posted by Tamper Lad on :
 
Did anyone catch the panel in Countdown 51 when the rogue Monitor is ranting about all the anomalies threatening the Multiverse? There is a LSH sighting in those panels. Both the pre-boot Karate Kid and members of the WaK Legion are shown on screens as multiverse anomalies.
 

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[qb]Oh and we have a Dox sighting of some kind over in Booster Gold. Since Brainy is so closely connected to booster and time travel I think it's Querl. but it could easily be Vril

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Well the cover of #1 at least
 

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Posted by Novelty on :
 
Not sure if I should post this here or in the JLA/JSA crossover thread...

I was reading a review of JSA#2 (I don't normally read JSA) and the reviewer said:

"Starman says that it’s coming. The Great Disaster. That he has to find her and him and her. That She’s talking to him and he doesn’t know and he has to find them all before the storm."

Does anyone have a scan to that page? I'm just wondering what it means for the crossover...
 

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Click Here For A SpoilerKarate Kid is in Countdown #49. Click Here For A SpoilerLocked up in the JLA Satellite.
 

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about that Legionnaire being locked up in JLA satellite - makes me wonder why that particular Legionnaire was seen wearing different (Kitson-designed) costume in the Countdown poster alongside Triplicate Girl. Speaking of Triplicate Girl, will we see her in Countdown? *puzzled*
 

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Originally posted by superboymddjr:
about that Legionnaire being locked up in JLA satellite - makes me wonder why that particular Legionnaire was seen wearing different (Kitson-designed) costume in the Countdown poster alongside Triplicate Girl. Speaking of Triplicate Girl, will we see her in Countdown? *puzzled*

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When that poster/cover for Countdown was released, I don't think it had be revealed that the Pre-Crisis Karate Kid was going to show up in JLA. So while they were planning to use that version of KK, they didn't want to tip everyone off and instead showed the WaK version.
 

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Originally posted by thinbalion:
Also the upcoming Action Comics #850 promises some time traveling goodness, that should have the Legion impacting the present day DCU in some way.

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[ June 03, 2007, 10:38 PM: Message edited by: Nightcrawler ]
 

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Originally posted by thinbalion:
Also the upcoming Action Comics #850 promises some time traveling goodness, that should have the Legion impacting the present day DCU in some way.

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Look Ma...Pulsar Stargrave!

 

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Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
 
Looks like we might be seeing Validus in "JLA" soon...

Injustice League

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Posted by Blockade Boy on :
 
Looks like one more reason for me to hate when they bring Legion characters to the regular series. The writers seem to feel a need to add something to the characters that the Legion writers didn't.

Either the crappiest Validus yet or worse, they are insinuating some ancestor. Blah.
 

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Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
 
Well, if 80s LSH continuity is back, there's no telling how far into the past Darkseid sent him. He could have lived as Validus for c. 1,015 years before being born!

[ June 18, 2007, 01:08 PM: Message edited by: Kent Shakespeare ]
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
I have to give a firm "ick" as far as the inclusion of Validus in this.

You know they're just going to treat him as a generic "big mindless strong guy".

Validus on Earth in the twentieth century should be a bigger threat than Doomsday.
 

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Posted by Blockade Boy on :
 

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Well, if 80s LSH continuity is back, there's no telling how far into the past Darkseid sent him. He could have lived as Validus for c. 1,015 years before being born!

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tis a good point but his inclusion here makes him a pretty well known commodity. Would a 1000 year old (or older) Validus stick in the craw of established biography much?
Originally he was what, stomping around some little backwater with no known origin, which was later amended to being a creation of Darkseid. Even though we hadn't seen him before his first appearance I think Shooter established the Validus was a pretty well known character, everyone feared him. So he could have been around a thousand years just beginning his second millenium. Everyone knows about those terrible twos.


In the second boot, I believe he was actually created by some planet to be some weapon or some such? Can't remember exactly, but I hated it.


I'll take the unique bastard creation of a God version (no history, no planet full of them, no other dimensional versions of him....) and second EDE's ick.


For me, Validus is (was) a very nearly perfect creation by both writer and artist. No dripping saliva, bloody scabby scars and other schtick generally used by artists to try and create a nightmare. Validus is so simply drawn and his personality so simply defined, he's one of the best tragic characters in comics. Doesn't need nor want refining. Adding boots, costuming, history (eye's lol, who was it that drew eyes on him?)... ick, ick, ick.
 

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Posted by googoomuck on :
 
Brave and the Bold #5 must take place after the Lighning Saga, right? He'll be meeting different versions of Karate Kid, Star Boy, Jeckie & Brin.
 

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Posted by Matthew E on :
 
Well, it looks like it takes place after the Dominators War; no Cosmic Boy.
 

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Posted by Lad Boy on :
 
Nice job with Kitson's designs.
 

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Posted by Ultra Jorge on :
 
Was the Time Trapper in the latest The Brave & the Bold?
 

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Posted by Nightcrawler on :
 

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Originally posted by Ultra Jorge:
Was the Time Trapper in the latest The Brave & the Bold?

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NRAMA: What was Karate Kid saying in Japanese as he braced himself for the lightning?

BM: Fear makes the wolf bigger than he is.

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Just in case anyone was wondering.
 

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Posted by Lightning Lad on :
 
Just a bigger version of the BatB spread.


 

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Posted by Omni Craig on :
 
Funny, I assumed the four guys who were messing with Destiny's book were the writers of 52!
 

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Posted by Novelty on :
 
Where does it say that KK joins the JLA?
 

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Posted by Tromium on :
 

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Originally posted by wndola1:
Oh and we have a Dox sighting of some kind over in Booster Gold. Since Brainy is so closely connected to booster and time travel I think it's Querl. but it could easily be Vril

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You're right. Geoff Johns confirmed in a Wizard interview last week it is Querl Dox -- an "adult Brainiac 5". I don't think he means the pipe-smoking one, though.

ADULT BRAINIAC 5
For years, Booster has incorporated a stolen Legion of Super-Heroes flight ring into his arsenal, and now, the Legion has finally come to collect it.

“Dan Jurgens always had a story about whose ring it was and just never got to it,” reveals Johns."
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Umm... didn't Jurgens reveal the origin of the ring in the Booster Gold series?
 

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Posted by Tromium on :
 
Maybe, but that was a zillion years ago in a different reality. Was it supposed to be Brainy's ring then, too?
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Yeah. But even granting that the story would have to be re-written for the new continuity (it heavily involved Ronald Reagan, for one thing), the article makes it sound as though it's something that's never been adressed.

So, I wonder which Brainy it's going to be?
 

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Posted by Omni Craig on :
 
You're right Eryk. In Booster's original series, it was indeed Brainy's ring that was left behind in the 20th century. Also his force field belt was left there too, to protect the President from an assassination attempt. The belt's technology was eventually incorporated into the suit Booster would wear.

I'm hoping for a pre-Crisis Brainy. Booster is a post-Crisis character, and has already crossed paths with the pre-Crisis Legion in his origin. Besides, it sounds like his new series is a cross between Quantum Leap and Sliders, so I'm sure he could find the pre-Crisis Legion if he tried hard enough...
 

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Posted by Vee on :
 
Mon-El has a significant amount of panel time in the lastest issue of Action (#851)

This is the Phantom Zone issue with the coold 3-D "Phantom Zone glasses, btw.
 

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A preview page from next week's Countdown #42 (courtesy of Newsarama):


 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
no mention of VS Card System - World's Finest - Matter Eater Lad got it's own in it? I have heard about it but have NOT seen it yet. I am curious if anyone knows about this?
 

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Posted by Lightning Lad on :
 

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Originally posted by superboymddjr:
no mention of VS Card System - World's Finest - Matter Eater Lad got it's own in it? I have heard about it but have NOT seen it yet. I am curious if anyone knows about this?

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The pages leading up to these can be seen here.












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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Ugh. That Dev-Em is even worse than I thought it would be.
 

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Ugh. That Dev-Em is even worse than I thought it would be.

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Anyone else find it odd that Supes didn't know who Mon-el was at first. Even though he has a statue of Mon in his Fortress of Solitude.

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Anyone else find it odd that Supes didn't know who Mon-el was at first. Even though he has a statue of Mon in his Fortress of Solitude.

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Anyone else find it odd that Supes didn't know who Mon-el was at first. Even though he has a statue of Mon in his Fortress of Solitude.

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I agree. When it comes to the Legion his memory is spotty it seems. Yet he has the PC Legion statues. Wierd.

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There is some pre-crisis precedent for this, in Adv 300 when Mon is temporarly released from the PZ, Superboy is excited that Mon-el might be cured. When he should be distraught that he's been in there for over 1000 years.

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Anyone else find it odd that Supes didn't know who Mon-el was at first. Even though he has a statue of Mon in his Fortress of Solitude.

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Click Here For A Spoiler It is when Superman is talking to Thom. He asks Thom if the reason the Legion was there was to bring the Flash home. Thom responds "From the vibrational plane! zip! zoom! The Legion of three worlds! Do you remember XS? She had a crush on you."
 

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Wow.
 

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Posted by Nightcrawler on :
 
It appears I forgot t load up page 7 last night. I'll have to take care of it when I get home later.
 

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Posted by Hunt Drouin on :
 
I have two comments to make on the recent Legion sightings:

1) I'm sooo excited that XS is mentioned! That means this Thom (and presumably Nura, Jeckie, Dawnstar, et al) know her! Bring back XS

2) Please get Karate Kid's uniform correct. It changes from one book to the other.

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Posted by Ultra Jorge on :
 
Yeah the XS comment and the two other Thom's comment means we are going to have a BIG meeting soon.

Maybe there will be a remix Legion after all? I can't see DC choosing a Legion over another. Leave the multiverse!
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
Pi$$es me off that they made that Eaglesham cover a variant. Even worse that they don't preview the variant covers so I could make an informed decision whether I want to spend $6 preordering it.

ENOUGH with the 1:10 ratio variants!

And while they're at it, enough with the Alex Ross pin-up style covers.
 

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Posted by Ultra Jorge on :
 
Yeah I know. They could've let us know there was a variant with Thom Kallor eating a sloppy Joe. I mean..c'mon! That's a great cover!
 

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Posted by Vee on :
 
Did anyone notice that the phrase "Earth 2" is scrawled on the table next to Thom's tray?
 

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Yup.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Yes, but I thought it was "Earths".
 

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I think it's a backwards "2"
 

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You may be right.
 

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Posted by Quislet, Esq. on :
 
I originally thought it was "Earths" too. but looking again, I would say it is a 2
 

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If it is a "2," then more evidence the LS Legion is from the new Earth 2's future. That would be consistent with Starman referring to Superman as "Kal-L." We also know from 52 #52 that the Kryptonians are missing from Earth 2. Is that because their Superman is dead, per Infinite Crisis, and Power Girl is on New Earth? Or is the LS Legion involved? What if the LS Legion had contacts with all the multiversal Supermans? Maybe they had sort of a revolving door of Clark Kents popping in and out. "Quick, get rid of Clark from New Earth! Earth-2 Clark just arrived for a visit!"
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
I hope they're from new Earth-2, if only because it makes it even more likely that there's a new Earth-1 out there with a Legion even closer to the original!
 

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If it is a "2," then more evidence the LS Legion is from the new Earth 2's future. That would be consistent with Starman referring to Superman as "Kal-L." We also know from 52 #52 that the Kryptonians are missing from Earth 2. Is that because their Superman is dead, per Infinite Crisis, and Power Girl is on New Earth? Or is the LS Legion involved? What if the LS Legion had contacts with all the multiversal Supermans? Maybe they had sort of a revolving door of Clark Kents popping in and out. "Quick, get rid of Clark from New Earth! Earth-2 Clark just arrived for a visit!"

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1) I'm sooo excited that XS is mentioned! That means this Thom (and presumably Nura, Jeckie, Dawnstar, et al) know her! Bring back XS
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Would pay also to see that Thom-Thom-Thom tea-party, especially if Reboot Thom's there!
 

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Posted by Lobo Gris on :
 
Yes! Bring back Gates! And pre DnA Zoe! And Jazmin and Jenni!
 

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Posted by Tromium on :
 
It was said that none of the Lightning Saga Legionnaires (with the notable exception of schizoid Starman) remembers much about "The Legion of Three Worlds" episode, which must have occurred *before the first Crisis* or else Clark would have no knowledge of it at all. It doesn't make a lick of sense, therefore, that the years younger 2boot and 3boot Legions were involved in a long ago, forgotten team-up (the 3boot Legion is only 2-3 years after formation and didn't even exist until Infinite Crisis!). A more likely scenario is that Starman came into contact with XS and the two other Thoms when he was bouncing around the Multiverse on his most recent trip to the 21st century, and is the only LS Legionnaire to recall meeting parallel earth doppelgangers.

If some semblance of the post-ZH Legion does exist on a parallel Earth, I wonder if Element Lad is back with all his marbles?

This is the second time Starman has mentioned making black holes, and I'm beginning to sense a strong fatalistic vibe around him. If Thom, not Val, is the Legionnaire marked for death in Countdown, it's just as well, since Geoff Johns obviously prefers this maudlin and damaged caricature to the original personality. Let LS Thom die with some dignity before he begins soiling his pants in public. The sloppy joe scene is just, ugh, gross. I am not amused.
 

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It was said that none of the Lightning Saga Legionnaires (with the notable exception of schizoid Starman) remembers much about "The Legion of Three Worlds" episode, which must have occurred *before the first Crisis* or else Clark would have no knowledge of it at all. It doesn't make a lick of sense, therefore, that the years younger 2boot and 3boot Legions were involved in a long ago, forgotten team-up (the 3boot Legion is only 2-3 years after formation and didn't even exist until Infinite Crisis!).

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- it's easy to fudge the time element. What's the harm in having all three Legions run parallel to each other?
- the threeboot Legion's existence precedes their issue #1 by a significant amount of time. I don't recall if it was a couple of years or six months or what, but it's enough time for a lot of interesting stuff to happen.
 

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I don't think the time element's going to be that big a deal, since the timeline of the Lightning Saga Legion seems significantly different than that of the "original" Legion.

I'd be more worried about what sort of Starboy-esque changes the creators are going to inflict upon the postboot Legionnaires.
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
*sniff sniff* poor Dream Girl....I hope someday somehow Dream Girl will be resurrected back alive just in time for Legion's 50th year anniversary.
 

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Gah! I'm SO behind on picking up my comics! Thanks for posting this stuff, Nighty. I'm not sure if I'll be getting all the KK stuff, so I appreciate being able to come here and see it.
 

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Posted by Ultra Jorge on :
 
Why did they ever kill off the real Question?! He is just so cool! Oh yeah nice to see Countdown give us Legion clues.
 

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A quick tease...the rest will come later...Scarlet Witch?






 

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Posted by Novelty on :
 
My first thought was... Gates? but nyaah, these have feet...
 

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Posted by Superboy-Supergirl on :
 
Didn't the girl remind you of Mysa in the Magic Wars and them leaving remend anyone else of the Great Exodus of The Socreorers WOrld in In LSH 63 (baxter book)
 

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Posted by Nightcrawler on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Superboy-Supergirl:
Didn't the girl remind you of Mysa in the Magic Wars and them leaving remend anyone else of the Great Exodus of The Socreorers WOrld in In LSH 63 (baxter book)

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That's why it was posted and why I called her "Scarlet Witch." I believe this was to be the event that led all of the magic off of Earth and over to Gemworld/Sorceror's World. And that that is supposed to be a version of Mysa.

[ August 16, 2007, 09:02 PM: Message edited by: Nightcrawler ]
 

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Posted by Lightning Lad on :
 



 

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Posted by Lightning Lad on :
 
Not trying to steal your thunder Gary. Just lending a helping hand.
 

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Posted by Sketch Lad on :
 
Thank you for doing this, LL and Nighty. I'm not always an AR collector, so getting to see this stuff here does the trick!
 

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Posted by Fat Cramer on :
 
Thanks, guys! This enables us all to keep up to date on the convoluted continuity.

A new meaning for green splatters. And Lyle the only legionnaire left standing... that would have been an interesting story.
 

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Posted by Pov on :
 
"Talk to the hand... and DIE! MWAHAHAHAHAHA!"
 

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Posted by KryptonKid on :
 
An excellent example of the Coluan culture's concept of "losing face..."

I'll never look at guacemole the same.



 

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Posted by jesjos on :
 
I used to love popping into this forum to catch up with the growing sightings of legionnaires outside of thier own title, (or universe as the case may be.) But no recent postings. (Sigh!!!)
 

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Posted by Nightcrawler on :
 
There's this one -

quote:

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Originally posted by Pete Ross:
There's an appearance of the Legion statues in the current issue of Superman (#670) during a fight in the Fortress of Solitude (Mon-El gets knocked over). It's story page 29.

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Plus, numerous Countdown KK and Una appearances, but they're so boring I haven't the interest to scan them in.
 

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Posted by Lightning Lad on :
 
Beat me to the punch!
 

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Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
 
There was someone from Tellus' race shown as a new Green Lantern Corps recruit in the "Ion" one-shot. More than a background figure, he was shown target practicing and gets busted on by kilowog in a scene.
 

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Posted by Ultra Jorge on :
 
Drake, I got pretty excited about the Tellus Green Lantern. Forgot to mention that here.
 

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Posted by Omni Craig on :
 
The current issue of Superman, #671, is the first of 3 parts about the Insect Queen, and features Lana Lang.

Not a direct tie-in of course, as the rebooted Legion had a different Insect Queen, but some of us are more AR than others.

Also during this issue, Superman mentions the "Science Police" in one panel. I wasn't sure if that was a slip of the tongue (since he was referring basically to some C.S.I./forensic types) or if it was intentional from Busiek. Either way, fine with me!

The exact quote was said after Lana was abducted from Lexcorp's offices (where she is apparently C.E.O. now), and Superman tells a Lexcorp employee: "There's an odd smell in here and some sort of chemical residue -- I'm sure the Science Police will be analyzing it."
 

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Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
 
From another thread:

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Originally posted by Pov:
I don't know if it's worth adding to the solicitations here, but WONDER WOMAN #18 has an appearance by the Khunds, cover and all... AR-worthy, at least.

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quote:

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Originally posted by Ultra Jorge:
Omni Craig, Kurt Busiek recently introduced the Science Police to Metropolis in the 21st century.

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Thanks Jorge, I hadn't been following the book enough to notice that.
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
could not find a thread that has collectibles - so here's the link that I thought that you might want to get - JSA Starman action figure in 2009 - here's the link -

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y215/endel/dc.jpg

enjoy.
 

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Posted by GeminiInTheRough on :
 

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Originally posted by GeminiInTheRough:
Did anyone notice Micro Lad and Atom Girl on the last page of Brave and the Bold no. 9. They are one of the pages, on the creature formed from the pages of the Book.

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[IMG]

Here is the image... Micro Lad and Atom Girl toward lower left.



[ October 08, 2008, 05:11 PM: Message edited by: Nightcrawler ]
 

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Posted by Gary Concord, the Ultra Man on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by GeminiInTheRough:

quote:

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Originally posted by GeminiInTheRough:
Did anyone notice Micro Lad and Atom Girl on the last page of Brave and the Bold no. 9. They are one of the pages, on the creature formed from the pages of the Book.

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[IMG]

Here is the image... Micro Lad and Atom Girl toward lower left.

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fixed it for you...
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
http://www.wizkidsgames.com/heroclix/dc/figuregallery.asp?unitid=13870

another sighting of Matter Eater Lad.
 

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Posted by Nightcrawler on :
 


[ February 22, 2009, 02:12 PM: Message edited by: Nightcrawler ]
 

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Posted by Nightcrawler on :
 
SUPERMAN #685 -





GREEN LANTERN #38 -





Look Ma! Mordru!

 

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Posted by Candle on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Pete Ross:
Yep. Here's an image of that page (done as a link to avoid bandwidth theft):

Captains Atom

According to writer Keith Champagne "Kid Quantum from Legion is also in there because I’m the world’s biggest Legion fan, as well as a host of others."

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Originally posted by rouge:
Not sure if anyone's brought up the Legion stuff appearing in "Supergirl: Cosmic Adventurs in the 8th Grade" , but issues # 3 & 5 have a time travelling Supergirl show up in a Legion belt. In #5 she also has flight ring, and talks about Brainy and how the "team" wanted to call her Andromeda. She also shows up riding Comet.

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link
 

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Posted by veryvery on :
 
in green lantern 40, THE BOOK OF OA IS HELLA WRITTEN IN INTERLAC!!

i had no idea! i'm staring really hard trying ot read it, i'm usually pretty good at sight-translating it but...

help?


 

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Posted by veryvery on :
 
some of is it "the vega system is no longer outside of the green lantern corps' jurisdiction", of course! i mean the other bits!
 

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Posted by Bottle City of Kanga on :
 
Is everyone reading Superman?

It's really good! It's like how Valor might have been if it was done properly the first time.

There's also an exciting appearance from Tellus!

http://bottlecityofkanga.blogspot.com/2009/05/superman-687-one-for-legion-lovers.html
 

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Posted by Blockade Boy on :
 
I liked Valor, I have no shame in saying but your other sentiments are mine too!
 

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Posted by legionboy on :
 
Superman is great right now. I do have to say i thought the Zero Hour issues were fantastic to finish out the Valor series.
 

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Posted by kenaustin on :
 
Brave & the Bold #23 has a new Rip Hunter chalkboard with a couple of Legion related entries...


 

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Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by veryvery:
in green lantern 40, THE BOOK OF OA IS HELLA WRITTEN IN INTERLAC!!

i had no idea! i'm staring really hard trying ot read it, i'm usually pretty good at sight-translating it but...

help?

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quote:

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Originally posted by Yk:
I'm not so sure. I really did like the Valor series but it seemed pretty directionless until the build up to Zero Hour. There was quite a bit of construction of a mythos going on and I was eager to see where it might go but Glorith and the Legion took over the series. That's not actually a complaint, mind you, I loved it but it concluded the series and come to think of it concluded the entire DC reboot.
The last half dozen issues were wonderful.

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quote:

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Originally posted by Blockade Boy:
Legion, specifically Karate Kid gets a mention in Wednesday's comics, the Teen Titan strip.

It say KK in a brainwashed state had taken on the Trident costume.

Did this really happen? I must have missed that story.

This would be the first reference in Wednesday's comics to traditional DC Universe, at least that I've noticed.

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This happened in Justive League 1-4 & 7, in the run up to the Lightning Saga
 

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Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
 
Why in the world would the Wednesday Comics Teen Titans strip mention that KK was disguised as Trident? How did that even come up??
 

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Posted by lil'rhino on :
 
Because Trident is the villian in the strip.
 

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Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
 
Hey guys, guess where Jeckie is.
Click Here For A SpoilerSuperman #692

[ September 30, 2009, 01:15 PM: Message edited by: Sarcasm Kid ]
 

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Posted by Nightcrawler on :
 
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Posted by Matthew E on :
 
Who is that?
 

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Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
 
She's one of the members of the Science Police we've seen in Superman, Wilcox.

But obviously that's a certain princess who snapped a certain douchebag's neck for killing her husband.
 

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Posted by Matthew E on :
 
No, no, right; it was the Wilcox answer I was looking for.
 

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Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
 
I know. I just wanted to type the second sentence for the fun of it.
 

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Posted by Set on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Sarcasm Kid:
But obviously that's a certain princess who snapped a certain douchebag's neck for killing her husband.

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quote:

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Who's left from that 'missing grouping' from LO3W?

Matter-Eater Lad and Tyroc. Is that it?

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quote:

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Originally posted by Matthew E:
So if I want to keep up with all the Legionnaires scattered about the 21st century, I want to read, what, Superman? Not Action? Please advise.

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quote:

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Originally posted by Candle:
Oh, and on another note:

Cryo King said to look for LSV characters in the past, as well.

And I still think Cham might be the Despero that is talking to Edge.
The real one was killed by Starro recently.

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quote:

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Originally posted by Silver Age Lad:
. . . From an AR perspective all Wilcox appearnces are now Jeckie appearances.

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Originally posted by Nightcrawler:
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Now which issue is that? Superman #691 or #692? Which one do I have to hunt down?
 

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Posted by Omni Craig on :
 
#692. The current issue reveals another Legionnaire. Mon's friend Mitch isn't who he appeared to be.
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Omni Craig:
#692. The current issue reveals another Legionnaire. Mon's friend Mitch isn't who he appeared to be.

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who??? Chameleon? Tenzil?? Tyroc? do tell us!!
 

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Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
 
You were right the second time.
 

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Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
 
Click Here For A SpoilerTenzil. He eats a car!
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
really? oh boy can't wait to get that book next week from the mail.
 

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Posted by Casaloki on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Chaim Mattis Keller:
Click Here For A SpoilerTenzil. He eats a car!

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quote:

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Originally posted by Matthew E:
Click Here For A SpoilerThen he got tired of eating cars and eating bars, and now he only eats guitars.

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ROFL !!!!!
 

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Posted by Para-Dox on :
 
Jamal igle has a video interview here
http://www.ustownhall.com/USTH-RealStories-Igle02.html
about Legion (especially Brainiac 5's) role in Supergirl coming up
 

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Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
 
Hey guys, did anyone pick up this week's issue of Justice Society?

A certain merciless magician showed up.
 

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Posted by Vee on :
 
Yep, he sure did. Mordru the Merciless is in the 21st Century.

And who do you think it was in the latest issue of Superman that slept with Lar? Say's "Once you have Dax you never go bax." I have to assume that it's Tasmia in disguise.
 

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Posted by Haggard Lad on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Vee:
And who do you think it was in the latest issue of Superman that slept with Lar? Say's "Once you have Dax you never go bax." I have to assume that it's Tasmia in disguise.

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quote:

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Originally posted by Haggard Lad:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Vee:
Do any of them have a Daxamite fetish?

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Who doesn't?
 

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Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
 
They revealed another Legionnaire in today's Superman.

And she was really a he, if he get my drift.
 

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Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
 
Hint:

Lovey Dovey.
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
chameleon boy?
 

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Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
 
Yyyyyep.
 

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Posted by cleome on :
 


I need to get more sleep.

I need to demand more work hours at my lousy job so I can buy comic books and then fall asleep reading them.


 

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Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
 
I think he might have a new costume, but I can't tell because he's only partly in his transformation of his regular self. The rest of it's Control.
 

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Posted by cleome on :
 
[scribbles in notebook]

Will this be on the exam?



I'm supposed to know what "Control" is, right? Unless by "she" you mean Janet Jackson.

[brain breaks in half and rolls under the desk]
 

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Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
 
The Science Police's Control. The woman who worked behind the monitors. Some thought she was Dream Girl.

http://BlondTheColorist.deviantart.com/art/Superman-695-p10-11-148907078
 

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Posted by cleome on :
 
Thanks!

That dress looks like something they'd hawk where I work. All it needs is one sparkle on the end of each sleeve and some cheeseball inspirational phrase in cursive over the left collarbone.
 

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Posted by Superboy-Supergirl on :
 
didnt control have 3 duplicates? i thought it was gonna turn out to be Lu. And are we sure its not Yera?
 

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Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
 
In "Supergirl", it looks like Lana's going to be getting her Insect Queen on ....
 

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Posted by Candle on :
 
We kind of knew the IQ was coming!
I'm excited.
I really like this Lana!
 

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Posted by Dev Em on :
 
I've been getting Superman for the build up and reveals of Legionnaires, but am not 100% sure of what is going on. I'll be glad when the big event happens.
 

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Posted by Chemical King on :
 
Hm, I also was quite certain that "control" (whoever that is supposed to be) was Yera... looked quite female to me. But I probably have to reread the whole Johns Legion and Adventure and Superman before the crossover starts in April/May, I'm a little bit lost...
 

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Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
 
Hey guys! Guess who Tim Seeley drew Val going up against?

http://ColtNoble.deviantart.com/art/Zealot-vs-Karate-Kid-Commish-153392325
 

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Posted by lil'rhino on :
 
nice.
 

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Posted by Omni Craig on :
 
The coloring of the uniform and hair of the "female" side made me think of Shrinking Violet, but the other half looked like Cham. I think it was just supposed to be Cham mid-shift (but if he was unconscious, wouldn't he revert to his actual Durlan shape, not the one they use when they go "off-planet" or whatever they once said...)
 

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Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
 
Actually, I noticed that one of his legs have transformed into his uniform.
 

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Posted by kenaustin on :
 
It was finally revealed in Action #886 that Mirabai's homeworld is The Sorcerer's World.
 

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Posted by Candle on :
 
Yes, and a great rendition of it, too.
Earlier, when Johns began JSA, the Mordru stories, he had the Gem World mostly destroyed by that boy wizard and his familiar.
I'm glad that DC has resurrected it, dragons and all.

Now, if we could just find Amy.
sigh
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
did you guys see what's the latest news on DC the Source? They show the Legion - only a hand with *TWO* rings - one is a Legion Flight ring AND one is a GREEN LANTERN ring!!!! whoa about time we have a green lantern member in Legion. can't wait...gonna be very interesting to see how Paul Levitz will write...especially that he wrote LSH #295..the one story that revealed why GL were banned on Earth. oh boy, can't wait!!!
 

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Posted by Haggard Lad on :
 
Preview of Superman #697 out this week:

http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2010/02/22/%e2%80%98man-of-valor%e2%80%99-continues-in-superman-697/
 

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Posted by cleome on :
 
Y'know, I remember people expressing irritation with the little balloon-panel things that show up to remind new readers of the characters' names (ie-- the Waid/Kitson run).

However, those actually make more sense to me than having the leader of the spy org essentially tell his opponents, Oh, by the way, here's my real name and the name of the spy org I'm in, just for future reference.

Uh, the pages look really nice, though. I have to nitpick like this to allay my frustration at being flat broke. Never mind. Talk amongst y'selves.


 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Haggard Lad:
Preview of Superman #697 out this week:

http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2010/02/22/%e2%80%98man-of-valor%e2%80%99-continues-in-superman-697/

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QUISLET!!!!!!!! QUISLET!!!!! QUISLET!!!! yeahhhhhh, nice to see the lovable engine ship back again!!! and talks too! Ah....you have been missed sorely, after all.
 

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Posted by Tellus on :
 
Aw yeah, Quislet!
 

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Posted by Superboy-Supergirl on :
 
SIGHS ...ANYONE WHO'S NOT EXCITED BY THE 'ORIGINAL' LEGION BEING BACK CAN with respect suck it QUISLET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Posted by Superboy-Supergirl on :
 
By the way who's left to be found in the 21st century? Dream Girl & Tyroc?
 

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Posted by Candle on :
 
sigh
I'm a happy camper.
 

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Posted by Blockade Boy on :
 
The comments about the artists? I didn't follow. Why the kvetching? It's beautiful!

Something about the drawing of Cham made me for the first time draw a parallel between John Jonzz' two "human" forms and Chams'. I think it was the shiney forehead that did it. I think I'd like to see Cham alternate more between this and his tribal form, though I suppose message board analism would require at least 3 threads as to why he defaulted to the more human form when injured.

ps: I don't think the writer has really found Quislet's "voice." Not the words I'd imagine for Quiz, riding to the rescue. Something a bit more self-centered, than introductory.

[ February 23, 2010, 07:34 PM: Message edited by: Blockade Boy ]
 

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Posted by Superboy-Supergirl on :
 
LOL maybe Quis learned from his gossiping behind Dream Girl's back?
 

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Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
 
Re: Element Lad's appearance on the last page: I know that the "coming this year" page in Adventure Comics # 1 pretty much made it obvious that Jan is Connor's chemistry teacher (or some such), but was it ever "properly" revealed on-panel the way Jeckie's, Cham's, Tenzil's and Quislet's were?
 

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Posted by Quislet, Esq. on :
 
QUISLET!!!
 

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Posted by cleome on :
 
(snip)

quote:

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Originally posted by Blockade Boy:
...I suppose message board analism [sic] would require at least 3 threads as to why he defaulted to the more human form when injured...

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quote:

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Originally posted by Quislet, Esq.:
QUISLET!!!

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Easy, boy.
 

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Posted by Nightcrawler on :
 













 

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Posted by Arm Fall Off Boy on :
 
Super kewl !!!!!
 

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Posted by rouge on :
 
I was really let down by this issue. Other than the reveal pages NC shows above, noting happened. Even worse it was almost intentionally circular. Legion reveals itself, incapacitates Mon-El and takes off because he can't see them yet. Superboy shows up and asks Mon to come to Smallville to meet the same Legionnaires who just avoided him. And, um, that's it?

I'll be really glad when Robinson hands the team over to Levitz, because I'd rather watch paint dry than read his Mon-el, which is saying a lot because he's one of my favourite Legionnaires.
 

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Posted by Dev Em on :
 
It is official...I hate Jeckies outfit. That is one of the single worst outfits in comics.

Other than that...it is so cool to see them all back in action.

One questions though...when did Tenzil join the Espionage Squad?
 

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Posted by KryptonKid on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Dev Em:

One questions though...when did Tenzil join the Espionage Squad?

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quote:

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Originally posted by Sarcasm Kid:

quote:

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Originally posted by Quislet, Esq.:
QUISLET!!!

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Easy, boy.

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Ah...he's just going to be impossible to live with now.
 

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Posted by Set on :
 
Welcome to the 'Legionnaires Johns wasn't using for Lo3W team.'

We've got Chameleon Boy, who would have been redundant, since he was using Chameleon Girl.

We've got Matter-Eater Lad, Tellus and Quislet, who are complete strangers to the Espionage Squad team, or, in the latter two cases, the very concepts of duplicity or subtlety. Next we'll see the Legion Diplomatic Squad, starring Wiiiiildfire, Angry Loner Wolf, Petulant Brainiac and the chemically-unbalanced version of Garth... Oh, sorry, my eyes just rolled completely out of my head there.

We've got Element Lad, who would have messed everything up, since he's the Legionnaire most able to snuff Prime like a candle (by turning him into a wet warm puff of hydrogen gas, or something) and most dramatically famous for ending an invasion of 10,000 Kryptonian-level Daxamites with a wave of his hand.

Which leaves of with Star Boy, who he actually had real plans for! Freakish, I know. Also, since he's become schizophrenic and apparently unable to communicate effectively, or hold a train of thought for more than a moment, he's just *perfect* for a team based on infiltration, subtlety, calculated deception and vital intelligence-gathering! (Oh wait, perhaps... not?)

And Jeckie, who was actually involved in the action in Lightning Saga and Legion of Three Worlds, appearing to teleport back to the future, but apparently not doing so, or, perhaps she's joined Tinya in the 'retconned into secretly being a Carggite' category and has selves in both the 21st and 31st centuries?

Of them, Jeckie seems like the best bet to become a members of the new Espionage Squad, in temperament, as well as abilities.

What a strange, eclectic and somewhat inappropriate group to be calling themselves the Espionage Squad...

quote:

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Originally posted by Dev Em:
[QB] It is official...I hate Jeckies outfit. That is one of the single worst outfits in comics.

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quote:

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Originally posted by Sarcasm Kid:
Boobhole.
"Go stick it in your boobhole."

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quote:

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"Go stick it in your boobhole!"

"Go blow it out your boobhole!"

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quote:

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Originally posted by Mystery Lad:
No one's mentioned Cham's uniform, I don't think...

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No news is good news?

I like it. I've always preferred to see costumes that are uncomplicated and that don't leave acres of skin exposed-- no matter who's wearing them. The colors are good, too.
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by cleome:
(snip)


No news is good news?

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quote:

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Originally posted by rouge:
Legion reveals itself, incapacitates Mon-El and takes off because he can't see them yet. Superboy shows up and asks Mon to come to Smallville to meet the same Legionnaires who just avoided him. And, um, that's it?

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quote:

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Originally posted by superboymddjr:

quote:

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Originally posted by cleome:
(snip)

No news is good news?

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yeah especially With Tyroc and Dream Girl....

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quote:

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Originally posted by Korbal:
Anyone notice the name of the Gotham City art dealer murdered by an Azrael in the Batman titles? One Leland MacCauley...

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quote:

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Originally posted by cleome:
I always thought the character had a lot of potential, and that the explanation that voice powers don't make for good writing in a soundless medium was... pretty damn silly.

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The main problem with Tyroc was the deux ex machina aspect of his power. Banshee of the X-men also had sound based powers and seems a little bit more believable, at least to me. Ditto Black Canary's canary cry.
 

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Posted by cleome on :
 


I agree, Quis. But a skilled writer can "power down" the character to avoid that kind of problem. Happens all the time.
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
well Tyroc was pretty written well somehow just before the Zero Hour....too bad they did not spotlight his last showcase.

just like Mysa as Jewel where she said "final farewell and being free of Mordru.".
 

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Posted by Set on :
 
If Tyroc's powers were transitioned from purely sonic screams to more vibrational manipulations, it would make sense that he could generate a 'sonic' attack that set something on fire, or caused it to freeze solid, or made it explode into little pieces, by running up and down the vibrational frequencies until he hit the right tone or whatever.

But he'd still be not very useful in space.

Technically, Polar Boy's ability to generate intense cold and freeze moisture in the air should be equally useless in space, and Sun Boy shouldn't be able to generate flame, with nothing to burn in the interstellar vacuum (and I suspect that Lightning Lad might not be able to fling lightning without atmosphere to contain the ion trail, and we won't even get into how useless Cosmic Boy would be in a future were 99% of the local materials aren't ferromagnetic...), but it seems that the Legionnaire's powers generally just 'work in space,' whether they should or not.

Actually, I'd be fine with one or more Legionnaires being unable to use their powers in space. It's about time that Saturn Girl got company in the 'crap, it's robots, I wish I had a gun!' sub-Legion of characters whose powers don't *always* work.
 

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Posted by Candle on :
 
Fighting in space really isn't something that the Legion does very often, anyway.
They mostly just travel through it from one place to another.

I think sound manipulation is a wonderful power.
Supergirl stopped seismic powers with a whistle and Conner called Krypto with one.

Heck, my TOOTHBRUSH knocks the cilia/flagella off the bacteria in my mouth.

They've had sonic showers on Star Trek for ages.

A lot of things can be done with sound without having the power level be on a Blackbolt level.

[ March 02, 2010, 02:47 AM: Message edited by: Candle ]
 

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Posted by Bottle City of Kanga on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Dev Em:
It is official...I hate Jeckies outfit. That is one of the single worst outfits in comics.

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quote:

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Originally posted by Set:
It's about time that Saturn Girl got company in the 'crap, it's robots, I wish I had a gun!' sub-Legion of characters whose powers don't *always* work.

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But if they brought back Computo II, she and Saturn Girl could have a blast taking down robots with mental powers "translated" into robot-speak. Sort of like the Night Girl-Shadow Lass thing.


 

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Posted by Candle on :
 

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My theory is that Tyroc's power works by controlling the vibrations of superstrings.

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Originally posted by Dev Em:
It is official...I hate Jeckies outfit. That is one of the single worst outfits in comics.

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I couldn't agree more. I'm amazed there isn't more outrage about it.

In fact, I think I'm going to go off and outrage about it right now.

Seriously, it's the product of a troubled mind.

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Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester:
Poor Jeckie... first she was rebooted as a snake, now she's been rebooted as a cougar!

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Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester:
I was actually thinking DnA-era Kid Quantum II. It basically explains his Deus ex Machina level powers. But it also fits very well with his most commonly depicted abilities, such as teleportation/inter-dimensional travel.

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As I've said about Jeckie before:

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Poor Jeckie... first she was rebooted as a snake, now she's been rebooted as a cougar!

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Originally posted by future king:
I wonder what other cities the Legion was refering to when they said they needed to free them and set history right, the future depends on it (or something to that effect)? Brainiac has these "bottled" cities hidden somewhere? Which cities(worlds?) are they??
I'm a bit confused. Someone please clarify.

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I think this refered to the list of planets from Adventure Comics #8 that Brainiac is said to have destroyed. Among them are important Legion worlds like Durla I, Rimbor and Imsk. Like the Kryptonian city of Kandor, Brainiac shrunk down one city to keep that civilization's "knowledge" for himself. Whenever we see inside Brainiac's ship, there's tons of bottled cities. The Legion mission will be to get those bottled cities and restore them to the places they'll be in the future, which will preserve the timeline.
 

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Posted by kenaustin on :
 
We also know of Braal, Winath, and Tharr from Action #872.
 

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Posted by Candle on :
 
Many of the cities, like Kandor, come from worlds that weren't destroyed, the cities were just taken.

And I'm not sure that the Legion is the one that's going to seed the planets or return the cities to their homes.

The seeding of worlds was a Valor project in the last few boots.
They were taken from the Dominators human experiments where they were given powers that translated into Legionnaires by the 31th century.

It looks like DC wants to replace that concept, having destroyed the Dominator home world and society in dotREBELS, with the bottled worlds of Brainiac.
At least, that's how I'm reading it for now.

I don't see New Krypton staying where it is now or with it's aimlessnes as a society remaining long.

I can see them being designated by the worlds that their currently causing trouble with - Thanagar, Strange's new home world for the Rann survivors, etc., to go seed the worlds over the next 1000 years.

But I could be wrong.
It's been known to happen.

[ March 21, 2010, 07:25 AM: Message edited by: Candle ]
 

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Posted by future king on :
 
In Supergirl #51 the Legion are nothing more than glorified extras. It was also hard to believe that the Kandorians could get the upper hand on them so quickly, especially since they had a bit of time to see it coming.
I hope the next insallment of this Brainiac saga is better.
Only one and a half months left until the Legion's regular title starts ... can't wait!
 

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Posted by Mystery Lad on :
 
Yeah- it was a rare moment of truth in comic book advertising when DC dropped the 'Brainiac and the Legion of Super-Heroes' title from this storyline. I was set to write CALLING THE ROLL for the Superman/Action/Supergirl stories, but aside from ADVENTURE, they haven't really done anything worth noting. Maybe I'll reread the first batch of issues at the end of March and see if there's a CTR to be culled from the story at that point.
 

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Posted by Legion Tracker on :
 
Yeah, Mystery Lad, the Legionnaires were just props in the Supergirl book. And unfortunately, goofy Thom was the only one who was given any personality. I'll be glad when he gets back to the 31st century and gets his meds.
 

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Posted by Haggard Lad on :
 
Yeah, I'm hoping the Legion gets more focus when Brainy and his group enter the story (which looks to be during the April issues of the crossover).
 

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Posted by future king on :
 
Me too Haggard Lad.
If this was Hollywood then this week's issue of Supergirl just featured the Legion as background 'extras' for the story.
I wonder if they were paid base for their appearance. LOL
 

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Posted by Matthew E on :
 
You know what they should do with Kandor? Put it on Daxam! Let them interbreed and maybe reduce some of that lead-vulnerability.
 

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Posted by Para-Dox on :
 
I think the Supergirl issue was nothing more than connective tissue in the storyline. It served to connect the capture of Superman with Mon-El's liberation attempt in the next part. Remember, this is the Supergirl part not the Legion part. As the Alex Ross homage at the end showed, they were there to place Supergirl among their ranks for the reader. The story in the issue was sparse but its importance really depends on where Supergirl and the espionage squad go from here.

By the way, I'm another one confused by the re-titling of the storyline. Although I could understand if the title switches once the emphasis is taken from the attack on New Krypton to the Legion vs Brainiac.
 

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Posted by future king on :
 
Well I just picked up Superman #698 which was the continuation of the Brainiac/New Krypton story and, guess what? Not only weren't the Legion in this entire issue but there was not even a mention of them (except for Tellus)!
Was a waste ... and here I was hoping for my weekly Legion fix. Boooo to the writers!
 

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Posted by Omni Craig on :
 
I too hate how the Legion has been relegated to background characters. For crying out loud, Element Lad alone could turn all the buildings around them to kryptonite or Gold-freakin'-K and this battle's over. Quislet could sweep the room jumping from Brainiac-Terminator to Brainiac-Terminators and they'd all crumble to dust, then everyone could go back to the 31st C and star in their own book again.
 

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Posted by Haggard Lad on :
 
future king,

I think you're forgetting a Legionnaire in Superman #698. He was just in the book for a page or two so you might've missed him... Mon-El.
 

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Posted by Nightcrawler on :
 
He's not a member yet.

I agree with future king & Omni Craig. This storyline is the same crap we've been enduring since the Lightning Saga. The Legion are treated as background characters. "Brainiac and the Legion Of Super-Heroes?!?"

How does anyone think they will capture new readers interest with characterizations like this?
 

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Posted by Dev Em on :
 
Here's hoping that the Adventure issues at least have the Legion in them.
 

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Posted by Doctor One on :
 
What I don't understand is this (recent? maybe not) tendency to expand stories that could be told in one issue into three or more. I understand that they make more money this way, but it really annoys readers. Or at least this reader. It took me about three seconds to read this last issue of Superman. Where is the beef?, I say. I really prefer my comics to have content...
 

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Originally posted by Doctor One:
Where is the beef?, I say. I really prefer my comics to have content...

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Your question makes me smile, Doc One: I think that its a very Canadian quotation. For the benefit of our non-Canadian readers, Doc's reference comes from a 1980's Wendy's commercial in which an old lady asks the very same question. What she meant was that there wasn't enough content--in her case, beef in a sandwich--that she was trying to enjoy. Very cool question, Doc One.

[ March 26, 2010, 03:23 PM: Message edited by: Mediocre Boy ]
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
The commercial was widely popular in the U.S. as well. Didn't Mondale or somebody later use it during a Presidential campaign?
 

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He's not a member yet.

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Originally posted by Doctor One:
Where is the beef?, I say. I really prefer my comics to have content...

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Your question makes me smile, Doc One: I think that its a very Canadian quotation. For the benefit of our non-Canadian readers, Doc's reference comes a 1980's Wendy's commercial in which an old lady asks the very same question. What she meant was that there wasn't enough content--in her case, beef in a sandwich--that she was trying to enjoy. Very cool question, Doc One.

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You know that you are getting old when your slang comes from commercials from the 80's...
 

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Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester:
The commercial was widely popular in the U.S. as well. Didn't Mondale or somebody later use it during a Presidential campaign?

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Y'know, that rings a bell, too. But I could've sworn at some point that I saw a tv news magazine piece that said the comercial--or maybe the old lady who appeared in it--originated in British Columbia or Alberta.

Ah, well, my memory is increasingly becoming a very fuzzy thing--too many Wendy's burgers, I suppose.
 

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Posted by Candle on :
 
The recent Superman issue had Tellus very importantly in it as well.
He was just thought bubbles, but they were essential thought bubbles.

I loved that Lar is being set up as the hero of the future seeded worlds even though he may not actually be around to do the seeding.
It certainly relates him back to not one but two past DC epics/boots.

I'm really interested to see which world of telepaths it is who was using Tellus to contact Lar.

I was also glad to see Lar realize his place in future history and loved him burning Lex, just a little.

Anyway, Lar IS Legion, to me and I love his spotlighted year in the DCU.
 

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Posted by Mystery Lad on :
 
SUPERMAN #698: Wow, I loved that pin-up page of Mon-el holding the bottled city of telepaths after fighting off four groups of aliens who fought for Brainiac in return for dispensations for their own bottled cities.

It's the first time I liked his new uniform, but it's mainly his expression of determination that I really appreciate.

Have any of the named alien groups- the Ulla, the Laroo, the Trago or the Raagin- appeared before in DC stories? They're unfamiliar to me.

What's up with the baboon Kokos? Has this Brainiac always had baboon 'sidekicks'? Their inclusion with the bottled cities had me experiencing LSH boot dissonance. I kept thinking of the world the reboot Koko was left on- it was a jungley planet where he was shown becoming a leader of primates. A reality and 1,000 years away- so not remotely likely that reboot Koko's little fiefdom would wind up in one of Brainiac's bottles. I know that- but I still kept thinking of it. It distracted me from the rest of the issue, as a matter of fact.

It was worth rereading, though- even with the lamentable lack of LSH characters in a storyline that was once called 'Brainiac and the Legion of Super-Heroes'. Thank space they didn't retain that tag, as DC'd be guilty of falsity in advertising. Not exactly an unfamiliar charge for them to face.

Brainiac's little black speedo worn over his tights makes me giggle. It's probably a dark reflection of Superman's 'underwear worn outside his clothes' style that nontraditionalist fanboys love to complain about (have these people seen old circus costumes and are they aware that *that's* what Superman's costume is based on?).
 

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Have any of the named alien groups- the Ulla, the Laroo, the Trago or the Raagin- appeared before in DC stories? They're unfamiliar to me.

What's up with the baboon Kokos? Has this Brainiac always had baboon 'sidekicks'? Their inclusion with the bottled cities had me experiencing LSH boot dissonance. I kept thinking of the world the reboot Koko was left on- it was a jungley planet where he was shown becoming a leader of primates. A reality and 1,000 years away- so not remotely likely that reboot Koko's little fiefdom would wind up in one of Brainiac's bottles. I know that- but I still kept thinking of it. It distracted me from the rest of the issue, as a matter of fact.

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Those races make up Ultra, the Muti-Alien's body.

















And Koko was originally Brainiac's alien pet, not just reboot Brainiac 5's.
 

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Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester:
The commercial was widely popular in the U.S. as well. Didn't Mondale or somebody later use it during a Presidential campaign?

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In the race for the Democratic nomination in 1984, Walter Modale (Veep under Carter) was being challenged by Sen. Gary Hart (CO) who promised "new ideas." Mondale questioned the substance of Hart's nonspecific "new ideas" and pinched the phrase from a popular Wendy's commercial. This proved that Mondale was young and hip and watched TV like the rest of us. Yeah! He got the nomination and was wiped out in the Reagan landslide.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Nothing says "young and hip" like stealing catch-phrases from old ladies!
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Thanks for posting that Nighty! You know, I don't think I've ever read any of Ultra, the Multi-Alien's features before.

I used to dislike the character because I felt he "stole" Mystery in Space from Adam Strange, who was a favorite of mine. But I have to admit, I find the above pretty groovy!

As for recent Legion stuff in the Superman titles--its pretty good but they're obviously "guest-stars" to the fullest extent, taking a backseat to Superman, Supergirl, Superboy and Mon-El. I really am looking forward to a full-length Legion issue sometime soon where the Legion-ness of the Legion is front and center.
 

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Posted by rouge on :
 
Wow, Robinson even makes Quislet boring (and what's with "Mistress"? He sounds more like K-9 from Dr. Who?):

http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2010/04/01/brainiac-ups-the-ante-in-last-stand-of-new-krypton-2/
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Sheesh, that's bad Quislet dialogue writing!
 

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Posted by KryptonKid on :
 
He sounds like a 50's robot. Throwing in the word "fun" doesn't count as characterization.


:researchyoursubject-matterlad:
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
I think rouge hit it on the head with K-9. Note the "my sensors" stuff as well.
 

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Posted by razsolo on :
 
Poor Quislet....I guess it would be too much to hope this is deliberate characterisation, and maybe the hivemind of Teall did something to him before he escaped back to the Legion? Aside from the really jarring bad dialogue, his powers aren't exactly like they were either... :\
 

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Posted by Quislet, Esq. on :
 

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Originally posted by Mystery Lad:
What's up with the baboon Kokos? Has this Brainiac always had baboon 'sidekicks'? Their inclusion with the bottled cities had me experiencing LSH boot dissonance. I kept thinking of the world the reboot Koko was left on- it was a jungley planet where he was shown becoming a leader of primates. A reality and 1,000 years away- so not remotely likely that reboot Koko's little fiefdom would wind up in one of Brainiac's bottles. I know that- but I still kept thinking of it. It distracted me from the rest of the issue, as a matter of fact.

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Originally posted by razsolo:
Poor Quislet....I guess it would be too much to hope this is deliberate characterisation, and maybe the hivemind of Teall did something to him before he escaped back to the Legion? Aside from the really jarring bad dialogue, his powers aren't exactly like they were either... :\

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If anyone has read The Last Stand of New Krypton #2 you'll see that Sensor Girl/Projectra sounds a bit off in her dialogue as well. She addresses Superman as "Supes" at one point. This is far too casual sounding from someone of her past royal stature.
 

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Posted by Dev Em on :
 
LSoNK #2 was better than the last few installments. Legion wise, and moving the story along wise.

Major plusses for me:

Braniac 5 is here, although...why not bring some power houses with him? Looking forward to the Brainy/Kara thing. Whould be uncomofrtably fun.

Jeckie loosing her mask/tiara combo. Saying that she was only wearing it because it felt appropriate...wonder if all the negative feedback on the net had any play in that?

It's getting closer to being done, and then we get our Legion back 2 (3 times for 2 months with the B&tB issues) monthly.
 

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Posted by lil'rhino on :
 
What's up with the 2 whole pages of them walking through that hallway in Braniac's ship??
 

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Posted by Suddenly Seymour on :
 
I haven't read it yet, but I would guess part of stretching the story for the trade.
 

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Posted by future king on :
 
The story itself is dragging on a bit for my tastes ... get in Brainiac's ship and get those damned bottled cities out of there already!!

I wish they would speed things up a bit. It's one thing for DC to gain sales by doing a cross-over series between different books but let's not BORE the readers in the process.
 

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Posted by Chemical King on :
 
I read the first five installments of LSoNW yesterday, and I have to say that the story grows on me. At the beginning, I thought that the story was - at best - average and started to get worried for this new/old Legion cause I did not think they were portrayed in a way that people would get more interested in the Legion. The way that they let themselves get captured by the Kryptonians so easily in spite of powerful members like Element Lad and Starman was disappointing to me. The artwork was also just average, not bad, but not special either.

The last issue of Adventure and #2 of the mini started to show the Legion in a better light. Tellus, Quislet and Brainy had a chance to show their powers, and Sensor Girls new costume looks much better with her mask of (that's just my Jeckie from childhood days - regal but sexy ). The story itself has a very strong feeling of "been there, done that" - rift in time and so on, yaaaaaawn - but I realized that I still started to get a little antsy about the outcome of the story. Meaning: I care for those characters, no matter how cheesy the storys premises are. A good sign.

So after a weak start with the Legion nothing more than extras, I think this should turn out to be a decent, though not very original, story. Hope that the ending lets the Legion look good so some people except for the fans feel like picking up LSH #1 soon.

Will Mon-El meet his 21st century doom at the end of the story? Somehow, he has to get to the 31st, we have seen him already during L3W...
 

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[QB]Will Mon-El meet his 21st century doom at the end of the story?QB]

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Originally posted by Sarcasm Kid:
So, according to the latest Booster Gold, the Great Darkness is still in continuity. Supposedly. Says it Happened in 3082.

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I saw that SK. loved the vison of what it was like to be on the surface of Daxam as they started to transform it into Darksied's Face.

Also loved the apperance of the Emerald Empress in there as well. A real nasty piece of work who dosnt really need the Eye to cause some horrible mayhem.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Not sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but Giffen's first Booster Gold issue actually takes place on Daxam during the Great Darkness Saga when the Daxamites are shaping it in Darkseid's image.

And it also features the Emerald Empress, who is incredibly viscious here!
 

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Posted by lil'rhino on :
 
As well as featuring the Super-Pets, Tiny Titans #28 has a li'l Brainiac 5 cameo.
At one point, Superboy asks him if there are more super heroes in the future, to which Brainy replies,"Yes! There's a whole LEGION of us!"
Perhaps we'll see other members of the Li'l Legion appearing soon!!
 

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Posted by Korbal on :
 
Well, at least the Legion exists in the "Fringe" world as Gim is visible on the cover of their version of COIE #7...
 

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Posted by future king on :
 
Hey I just heard that the Legion will be making an appearence in the Brightest Day biweekly series in an upcoming issue. If its true I wonder how/why DC would do this? They weren't really involved in the whole Blackest Night crossover series ... and the heroes that came back from the dead aren't related to any 31st century character including the Legionnaires that I'm aware of ... so what gives!?
Could this be yet another marketing ploy to get readers to sample the Legion book (if they haven't done so already).
I'm not complaining mind you. Any extra exposure or "free press" to build a stronger base for the new book is a bonus as far as I'm concerned.

Can anyone post any new info to confirm this if they read it somewhere? I am off to check the DC boards once again, just to make sure.
 

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Posted by future king on :
 
I just picked up issue #34 of The Brave and The Bold which teams the founders with the Doom Patrol. It was cool seeing Garth, Rokk, and Imra in their original uniforms, working hand in hand with the Patrol and working together to battle a cosmic emegency.

The biggest surprise is that during the coarse of the story the Legion finds .... what can only be described as ... a pink TRIBBLE???
What a nice little surprise this was for someone like me who's enjoyed Star Trek in its many forms over the years.

... I wonder what it means tho'!
 

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Posted by Ken Arromdee on :
 
That Brave and the Bold issue was absurd. I know that it was pseudo-Silver-Age and that we have to tolerate a certain amount of bad science, but this was... worse than most.

• If I were going to stop a black hole the last group I'd contact is the Doom Patrol. The Legion has, oh, a member that makes things light and another one that makes things heavy? You know, to affect gravity?
• A black hole with the mass of the sun is 30 kilometers across. One the size of the moon would be much more massive than the sun and would have torn the Earth apart in an instant.
• At any rate, astronomers today would be able to detect such a black hole very far in advance. Currently we can detect the effect of Jupiter's gravity on the other planets and Jupiter is a lot farther away and a lot lighter. There would be years of warning.
• A primordial black hole is the same as any other black hole. The only difference is that since they weren't formed by collapsing stars, they can exist in sizes smaller than normal.
• A black hole that evaporates by Hawking radiation does so because it's entirely been converted to energy. If a black hole were somehow made to evaporate in this manner it would release hundreds of times the total lifetime energy output of the sun. The Earth would have been fried, along with all Legionnaires.
• If you're going back in time and changing history anyway, the correct solution is to go back a week, find the black hole, and throw a planet at it to push it away (black holes have momentum). Of course this depends on you having planetary-level superpowers, but really, the "solution" that they actually used does too.
• It was out of character for the Legionnaires to be giving that much exposition. They're teenagers, not scientists.

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Originally posted by future king:
I just picked up issue #34 of The Brave and The Bold which teams the founders with the Doom Patrol. It was cool seeing Garth, Rokk, and Imra in their original uniforms, working hand in hand with the Patrol and working together to battle a cosmic emegency.

The biggest surprise is that during the coarse of the story the Legion finds .... what can only be described as ... a pink TRIBBLE???
What a nice little surprise this was for someone like me who's enjoyed Star Trek in its many forms over the years.

... I wonder what it means tho'!

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Originally posted by Korbal:
Well, at least the Legion exists in the "Fringe" world as Gim is visible on the cover of their version of COIE #7...

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Here's a Newsarama link for the cover...

http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album_view.php?gid=2038&page=4
 

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Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
 
The bad science in "Brave & the Bold" didn't bother me in and of itself, but it dominated the book, leaving little else. In case someone hasn't read the solits for the next issue, I won't spoil it, but there was so much stuff done just to set up the next issue that even if it comes as a surprise in the next ish, the solits spoiled the concept for me and it still didn't really make *this* issue any more compelling.

This was an exercise in storytelling with very very little else and it wasn't even a storytelling gimmick that's particularly original or interesting to read in this case.
 

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Posted by Faraway Lad on :
 
I quite liked this B&B issue.
OK so the concept of a Black hole getting that close to the earth and no one noticing was a bit off, the writer could have just come up with some techno babble for a destructive force and that would have worked just as well.

Best bit in the whole issue for me was those three panels when cliff is looking at Imra’s bum, and without moving she reminds him she can read minds.
 

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Posted by Candle on :
 
Ouch!
Poor Lar and Chris!
It looks like Zod won't be anymore redeemed than Lex!

I enjoyed B&B.
I like science but I don't have any idea if that was the original Doom Patrol and when in time they were.

It wasn't until recently that we could detect black holes at all.
Einsteir therorized about them but didn't really believe in them because we had no way to 'see' them.

Hubble changed that, I think, not sure, but I'm never sure of things I think.
sigh

But the Legionnaires didn't have Thom or Ayla with them, and Ayla was still lightning then.
So their abilities would be a moot point, right?
They had to make do.

My favorite part was was Imra and Rokk being out of uniform for a few panels.
Thank the Lord that they actually were shown to take them off.
Or even PARTS of them.
Such a natural, realistic moment!
 

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Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
 
I just realized, you'd think they'd show a bit of concern with the fact that when Earth was destroyed, their other teammates got killed as well...
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
I thought that was kind of groovy actually. Like this sort of thing isn't completely out of the ordinary and the Founders just rolled with it and set out to make it right. Very Silver Age-esque in that regard.

This was probably the best 'founders all together' story in quite a long time.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
Levitz fans will also want to check out Paul's strongest showing since his 'return' thus far in Superman/Batman. Very well done!
 

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Posted by Ken Arromdee on :
 

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Originally posted by Candle:

It wasn't until recently that we could detect black holes at all.

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It wasn't until recently that we could detect planets in other solar systems either. But it's not hard to detect a planet that's right here.
 

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Posted by Candle on :
 
Actually, it WAS pretty hard to see them well until Hubble.

Of course, we would have noticed gravitational changes but I don't know if we would have been able to 'see' or understand a black hole suddenly appearing in the 60's.

We also need to remember, something I forget often it seems, is that this is the DCU, not OUR reality, so things are frequently 'different'.
 

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Posted by Ken Arromdee on :
 
The point is that detecting black holes that are as big and as close as the one in the book is much easier than detecting ones that are at the distance they are in the real world. We'd detect it just from the gravitational influence it had on the other planets. It's true we might not be able to get a picture of it, but we'd know it's there. A black hole isn't going to hide until the last moment just because it's black.
 

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Posted by stuorstew on :
 
What if it hides all day and only comes out at night? Then it would blend in with the rest of the sky.
 

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Posted by lil'rhino on :
 
*SHRIEEEEEEEEKK!*
My dream has come true!!!! Amy Reeder Hadley draws the LEGION!!! I'm so thrilled!!

(cover to Supergirl Annual #2)
 

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Posted by Candle on :
 

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What if it hides all day and only comes out at night? Then it would blend in with the rest of the sky.

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Posted by Chemical King on :
 
Wow, B&B #35 was weird... who were those Inferior Five supposed to be, are those new characters? Anyway the issue was not as funny as it was meant to be, but the one line "Well, it IS your color" nearly killed me
 

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Posted by Korbal on :
 

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Originally posted by future king:
I just picked up issue #34 of The Brave and The Bold which teams the founders with the Doom Patrol. It was cool seeing Garth, Rokk, and Imra in their original uniforms, working hand in hand with the Patrol and working together to battle a cosmic emegency.

The biggest surprise is that during the coarse of the story the Legion finds .... what can only be described as ... a pink TRIBBLE???
What a nice little surprise this was for someone like me who's enjoyed Star Trek in its many forms over the years.

... I wonder what it means tho'!

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Betchya it ends up being a piece of Dumb Bunny's costume...

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Originally posted by Chemical King:
Wow, B&B #35 was weird... who were those Inferior Five supposed to be, are those new characters? Anyway the issue was not as funny as it was meant to be, but the one line "Well, it IS your color" nearly killed me

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Chemical King,

The Inferior Five first appeared in Showcase back in 1966. They were meant to be parody of the superhero genre.

Here is a link to their Wikipedia entry
 

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Posted by Chemical King on :
 
I can't believe they HAVE a Wikipedia Entry...

Thanks a lot!!! Off to read it...
 

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Posted by Silver Age Lad on :
 
the Legion turn up in Tiny Titans #31
 

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Posted by future king on :
 
I just picked up Legacies #5 and was a bit disappointed that the Legion didn't get much screen time. Colossal Boy was the only one who spoke (one line) and you only see Ultra Boy, Star Boy and Dawnstar's legs. That's it!

Next issue is the Legion tribute issue with my favorite cover of all time, drawn by Giffen ... can't wait!

George Perez's artwork is incredible! This man will never slow down, I don't think ... lucky for us! His work is a pleasure to behold. I hope he's the one drawing issue #6's interior, that would truly be a blessing. BTW the Perez cover was outstanding!!!

The story wasn't half bad either ... hmmmmm, maybe I'll go back and buy #1 - 4 now. Guess I'm hooked!
 

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Posted by Blacula on :
 
^ Legacies has been very good right from the start FK.

As long as you realise it's more of a thematic history of the DCU than one beholden to strict continuity rules, you'll be able to relax and enjoy what's been a really fun, heartfelt tribute to the long, legendary characters and creators of the DCU.
 

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Posted by Superboy-Supergirl on :
 
it was interesting...they had the original Supergirl (headband and all) in this Legacies on this "Pre-Crisis" Earth. I put that in quotes cause it seems to be New Earth's Pre-Crisis history given the facts of the Earth 4 heroes (charlton comics) were on its Earth, the JSA and the Freedom Fighters, the Marvel Family were heroes on it as well.

And for the Anal Completists among us:
Brainiac 5: cover only
Dawnstar: Page 18, 20, 21
Shrinking Violet: Cover, Page 19
Bouncing Boy: Cover,Page 19

Cosmic Boy: Page 20
Supergirl: Page 20
Lightning Lad: Cover, Page 20
Wildfire: Page 20

Colossal Boy: Page 20
Ultra Boy: Cover, Page 20

Starboy: Cover, Page 21
Mon-El: Page 21

*If you Count Superman as a legionnaire then:
Cover, Page: 11, 12, 13, 14, 18, & 19
 

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Posted by Iam Legion on :
 

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Originally posted by Superboy-Supergirl:
it was interesting...they had the original Supergirl (headband and all) in this Legacies on this "Pre-Crisis" Earth.

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Originally posted by Blacula:
Plus - is that Dr Regulus' feet getting punched out by Power Girl. Or is it Neutrax or someone.

Great cover!!! George Perez is such a master. He throws in so much good stuff to please the eye. My favourite element on this cover is Vigilante getting punched out of that window by Mammoth(? I think... or could it be Solomon Grundy?). Such a small touch but a great one.

I was hoping to see Colossal Boy on here to make up for his miscolored appearance last issue (and because he always looks good in a crowd scene) but oh well.

Still a great cover. And a great book too.

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thought it was Goldface's leg. sigh. oh boy. I ll take Dr. Regulus's! LOL
 

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Posted by Blacula on :
 
^ The legs seem to have some sort of fiery energy around them that I don't think Goldface ever had. Not to mention they're high in the air indicating a flier, which Goldface can't do (I don't think). It's either Neutron or Dr Regulus I'm sure.
 

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Posted by Nightcrawler on :
 

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Originally posted by Superboy-Supergirl:
ok boys and girls Pick up the latest Time Masters 3. Brainiac 5 appearance(first 2 pages) ...and it's a siginficant appearance. Seems a lot of things have changed since Brainy and Booster have met.

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Posted by future king on :
 
Thanks for posting the pages Nighty!
I honestly don't know anything about this mini series ... Time Masters is it? It's the search for Bruce Wayne or something?
I wonder what relevence it has with the Legion, or was this Brainy appearance just him lending a helping hand to Booster?
Is it possible the Legion will play a role in the rest of the story ... hmmmmm, maybe I should pick up a copy.
 

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Posted by Quislet, Esq. on :
 
Future King,

Technically it is the search for Bruce Wayne. But I think it is more of a Rip Hunter story. I am not sure if there will be any more Legin appearances. The story so-far seems good and solid.
 

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Posted by future king on :
 
Thanks for the tip Quislet,Esq.
I think I'll go buy all three copies after work today. It sounds like it might be well worth it.
 

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Posted by Superboy-Supergirl on :
 
i say its a ...how Rip Hunter was taught everything he knows of Time Travel by his dad (Booster Gold) who in turn was taught by his Son...paradox city!!!

with the search for bruce wayne being the excuse for the mini series...

By the way looks like Brainy is on Booster's Secret heroism...so that makes 3 people who know Booster's not the fool he appears to the main Dc universe.
 

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Posted by Outdoor Miner on :
 
I'll second Quis on Vanishing Point: It's been solid so far.

That might be the friendliest Brainy I've seen a while; I mean, he was practically neutral to them.
 

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Posted by Kid Quislet on :
 
I missed Superman/Batman #75. Is the Legion appearance worth me picking up a copy?
 

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Posted by future king on :
 
For me Superman/Batman #75 was a bit of a throw-away Legion appearance as they really didn't do too much to drive the story. I won't spoil it for you though.
I'm a completist collector so I had to get it.

It's nice to see the Legion get exposure across different DC books, so that was a bonus. And, I have to admit, they did look good ... especially Violet.
 

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Posted by Para-Dox on :
 
It makes sense that Rip would learn about Time and the Multiverse from Brainy which is what I think the second to last box on the second page suggests. To think it was Booster you have to believe Booster will be as good as Rip one day. I don't buy that.

[ October 11, 2010, 02:39 PM: Message edited by: Para-Dox ]
 

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Posted by Quislet, Esq. on :
 
I have to disagree Para-Dox. I think Booster is learning about the workings of Time Travel enough to pass on that knowledge to his son aka Rip. Booster does not need to be as good as RIp in order to start teaching him about time travel. And Rip could always build upon whatever knowledge Booster gives him, thus exceeding his father's knowledge. Rip definitely has a more serious demeanor than Booster. But that doesn't mean that Booster is unintelligent or unable to impart knowledge. I would say that Rip's knowledge of time travel will still be greater than Booster's. Even Einstein had teachers whom he later surpassed in knowledge.

Plus I don't see Brainiac 5 actually giving much thought to time travel. It was Rond Vidar who created the Legion's Time Cube, later Time Bubble. And I don't see Brainiac 5 taking the time to teach anybody about anything really. (Silver Age Brainy maybe, but not current Brainiac 5)
 

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Posted by Superboy-Supergirl on :
 
Also the fact that Booster if far more mature as Rip's dad than he is now...and in fact he's already maturing right now from what he used to be When his first series and Justice League books were out. SO Yeah respect the Booster...like all of us...we were careless and fancy free and became adults and became (somewhat more serious) and you need to get off Booster's lawn!!
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 

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Originally posted by Outdoor Miner:
I'll second Quis on Vanishing Point: It's been solid so far.

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I'll third it--I think the series has been excellent.

I love the idea of Brainy being a long-time friend to Booster & Rip at various times in their careers. What I find fascinating is how Brainy might have experienced all this: perhaps one day he's interacting with an older Booster and the next an older Rip and then the next a older Booster/young Rip and eventually older Rip will bring young Booster and so on. Confusing to just about anyone...who isn't 12th level intelligence. He likely has no problems dealing with it.

I'm also loving how Brainy's knowledge of Booster's true heroism also explains how Booster has kept his flight ring unofficially for all these years (centuries).
 

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Posted by lil'rhino-LSH on :
 
DC Comics Presents: Brightest Day #2 has a reprint of a Martian Manhunter story with a Legion cameo. Nice art by Hitch & Neary.
 

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Posted by kenaustin on :
 
Thanks to ultron7 over at the DCMBs.

Zatanna #7 has the first appearance of the newly created Magic Museum and its curator Antonia Stefanacci.


 

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Posted by super fat-assed lil'rhino on :
 
Cool!
 

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Posted by Director Lad on :
 
Honestly, this is the kind of thing I love in comics. Who but attentive Legion fans would get that reference!
 

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Posted by Legion Tracker on :
 
Phantom Girl and Mon-El make a rather sizeable background in Superman/Batman #79.
 

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Posted by lil'rhino on :
 
^^Thanks for the heads up!!
 

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Posted by future king on :
 
So I was at my local comic shop today getting some excellent Boxing Day prices so I just threw this copy of Superman/Batman #79 into my pile (without looking inside, natch), assuming that there would be more of a Legion presence then just this 2 page spread, but nope!

Just a head's up to anybody else out there who might be thinking of picking this up. Sadly, what you see is what you get.
 

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Posted by kenaustin on :
 
A couple of months old, but...

In Teen Titans #88, Bart Allen is trying to get written down all of the things he memorized from his and Conner's brief time (Lo3W) in the future.



That definitely looks like a Legion Time Bubble in the bottom frame. I'd say this is a tick in the "Legion might be involved with Flashpoint" column.
 

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Posted by cleome on :
 
I really would like to see PG played up more from an inter-dimensional standpoint, or that of an "other wordly" mindset. I don't mean that she has to suddenly be buried alive under a ton of gravitas, but her comment to Superboy about how she's "more comfortable in ambiguous situations" than most humans was pretty much the most interesting thing (to me) about those Adventure flashback stories.

Impulse is one of those characters who I feel bad for not liking. He seems to be hugely popular on some other fansites I visit regularly, but mostly what I've seen of him so far just annoys the crap out of me.
 

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Posted by Candlelight on :
 
He, like Conner, aren't so bad now, since they were brought back.

Kid Psycho is in 'Superboy #3', opening up a time travel encounter.
Conner mentions the Legion, trying to identify the Kid, but this one is only from about 150 years in the future.
 

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Posted by Mystery Lad on :
 
That's Psionic Lad in Superboy #3. It'd be cool if there was some relation to Kid Psycho, but I'd be very surprised it there were.

I'd be interested to see what kind of character they'd update a 'Kid Psycho' into these days-- interested the way I imagine those irritating people who slow down to a crawl to gawk at traffic wrecks are.
 

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Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
 
Everyone, LISTEN TO ME. It is imperative that you all pick up Superman/Batman #80 next Wednesday. For some reason a store had them early, and this comic features the return of a Legionnaire long thought missing.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Hmm... looking at the solicitation for the issue... it must be Click Here For A SpoilerThunder!
 

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Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
 
Not even close.
 

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Posted by lil'rhino on :
 
Finally, the return of Anti Lad!?!
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
andromeda?
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Earth-Prime Cosmic Boy?
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Though I hope rhino is right!
 

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Posted by Candlelight on :
 
Is that the return of the 1,000,000 AD issue?
I almost got that this week.
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
so I guess that Andromeda is a wrong guess...so SPILL IT!!!!

or XS?!?!?!?
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
S-P-I-L-L I-T!!!! :wink:
 

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Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
 
It's a book on SUPERMAN and Batman. What Legionnaires are ASSOCIATED with SUPERMAN, a.k.a. Clark Kent, a.k.a. Kal-El.
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
Mon-El? that does not make sense....he is not that "long thought missing" legionnaire...? Hmmm must be before Mon-El...
 

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Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
 
What Legionnaires are associated with Clark Kent.
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
C......K...... = Chemical King?!?!?!? if so, then I would be freaking out for sure!!!
 

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Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
 
Clark. Kent. Kent.
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
Kent Shakespeare??!!!???
 

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Posted by Candlelight on :
 

So much for keeping something a secret!
You guys are soooo cute!


 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
Candle - wait til you see us in real life, we are cuter!
 

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Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
 

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Originally posted by Candlelight:

So much for keeping something a secret!
You guys are soooo cute!

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Originally posted by Sarcasm Kid:
I didn't mention the possible other.

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You mean Laurel???????????????
 

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Posted by Candlelight on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by superboymddjr:
Candle - wait til you see us in real life, we are cuter!

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Originally posted by Sarcasm Kid:
Click Here For A SpoilerIt was Kent Shakespeare, the Superman of the 31st Century, and ELNA Kent, Superwoman, with an outfit that strangely resembles a poncho.

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Originally posted by Iam Legion:
I have to say that I was seriously dissapointed when I finnally read the issue last night. There was

Click Here For A Spoileronly the one pannel. Kent Looked nothing like he did in previous continuity. Laurel is Superwoman now?

and if there are

Click Here For A Spoilera Batman, a Superman and a Superwoman

in the 31st Century, then where the bloody nass were they and what were they doing durring the events of Lo3W ?!?

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ditto the Khund Invasion, the Dark Circle invasion, Earthwar, Darkseid's attack, the Sun Eater crisis etc etc
 

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Posted by Iam Legion on :
 
I suppose that for Click Here For A SpoilerBatman, Superman and Robin

it could be argued that they haven't assumed those identities yet. It could even be argued that

Click Here For A SpoilerKent Shakespeare hadn't gained his powers yet.

However,

Click Here For A SpoilerLaurel Kent did have her power (invulnerability) then and even if she hadn't become Superwoman yet,

She should have been present for the fairly recent Lo3W.
 

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Posted by Iam Legion on :
 
P.S.
If
Click Here For A SpoilerLaurel (Elna) Kent has more powers than invulnerability (which it seems likely since she is called Superwoman and appeared to be flying/hovering in the pannel), then there needs to be an explaination for how she gained them.

Also I will be terribly amused since I suggested a similar idea

Click Here For A SpoilerLaurel gaining full Krytonian powers

in my fanfic.
 

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Posted by lil'rhino on :
 
Perhaps it's a possible future & not the set future??
Anyhoo, Kent looked hot!!
 

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Posted by cleome on :
 
There's a 31st Century Batman now?

Oh, joy. Just we needed: another century in which Batmania can show up to suck all the air out of the room.


 

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Posted by Mystery Lad on :
 
Since it's just one page, is there any hope that someone who bought the issue and has the tech and know-how could scan it in?

Pretty please?
 

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Posted by Iam Legion on :
 
If a mod thinks it is inappropriate they can delete this and I appologize, but here: Click Here For A Spoiler

[ January 24, 2011, 12:20 PM: Message edited by: Eryk Davis Ester ]
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
^^Edited to thumbnail.
 

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Posted by Ken Arromdee on :
 

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Originally posted by cleome:
There's a 31st Century Batman now?

Oh, joy. Just we needed: another century in which Batmania can show up to suck all the air out of the room.

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Originally posted by Iam Legion:
If a mod thinks it is inappropriate they can delete this and I appologize, but here: Click Here For A Spoiler <a href="http://www.image-share.com/upload/478/220.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://www.image-share.com/upload/478/220.jpg" width="200" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>

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Originally posted by cleome:
There's a 31st Century Batman now?

Oh, joy. Just we needed: another century in which Batmania can show up to suck all the air out of the room.

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I couldn't agree with you more!!!
 

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Posted by Jerry on :
 
The Infinite Man makes a single panel appearance in Superman #708.
 

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Posted by Silver Age Lad on :
 
Fans of the reboot Legion may want to check out DC Universe Legacies #9 which recounts the events of Final Night

quote:

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Originally posted by Jerry:
The Infinite Man makes a single panel appearance in Superman #708.

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Originally posted by Silver Age Lad:
Fans of the reboot Legion may want to check out DC Universe Legacies #9 which recounts the events of Final Night

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Originally posted by Iam Legion:

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Originally posted by Silver Age Lad:
Fans of the reboot Legion may want to check out DC Universe Legacies #9 which recounts the events of Final Night

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Was it any good? The local shop didn't get it in because I was the onloy one buying it and I was so ticked about the LSH backup that I didn't buy the next couple of issues. I won't see it anytime soon sooo.... Spoil away: how was it?

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Originally posted by superboymddjr:
say does anyone know that the Legion Heroclix appeared in Dexter the cartoon show? someone mentioned that it appeared in season 2....so anyone have seen that before?

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Originally posted by Iam Legion:
Ok, so is Legacies supposed to be what happened in the current version of the DCU or not? It is awful weird that 'Final Night' happened, the Legion from Earth 247 participated and Superman didn't even blink at the much different version of the Legin from the one he knew. Not to mention that it does not seem to bother him (or any of the writers for that matter) that there is a Douglas Nolan calling himself Fero with a twin brother and the power to turn himself into organic iron that plans to sacrifice himself to destroy the Sun Eater.... all about a thousand years before Fero Lad (aka Douglas Nolan) sacrifices himself to defeat the Sun Eater? And, the art for the Black Adam back-up story made it completely unreadable. Sorry, but this issue pretty much stank... what a waste of my time and money!!

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Originally posted by Iam Legion:
I am well awre that the original 'Final Night' storyline didn't require any explainations as to Legion since they were THE version of the Legion then. Since Legacies is supposeed to be the 're-arranged' history to fit 'current', 'Earth 0' history I expect a few attempts at the writer trying to make it fit with a few simple explainations as to those changes. What ticks me off is that THIS is their chance to make some of those explainations like if/how Supergirl took part in CoIE, Superman being surprised about the 'different' version of the Legion, or Superman being startled by the weird similarity of Fero's plan to Fero Lad's future fate. Instead we get total cr@p like the Legion back-up story or whatever the Black Adam story was supposed to be. It leaves me very angry and dissapointed in DC and questioning if it is worth my time, effort and money to try to persue this new version of the Legion's story.

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I think it was during the Showcase appearances of the Legion or their 20th Century stories that had Superman mention how he had met different versions of the Legion at different points in their time. It was reference to "Time and Time Again" and Superman seemed to have to just assumed they were the same people he had met. It was inferred but not belabored that Superman's memory of being a member of the "real" Legion was blocked after the Crisis during the JLA/Legion/JSA story and more so during the Action Comics story.
 

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Posted by Mr. Kayak on :
 
for those who are interested, in action comics #900 there's a 3 pages long legion story by geoff johns and gary frank
 

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Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Mr. Kayak:
for those who are interested, in action comics #900 there's a 3 pages long legion story by geoff johns and gary frank

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Originally posted by Sarcasm Kid:
Don't you just love the part with Brin and Ayla?

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absolutely

i also love gary frank's version of the legionnaires' costumes. i'm really disappointed in how in the current series they're slowly but steadily bringing the characters' look closer to the seventies or the eighties: come on, let's move on!
 

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Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
 
I wish someone could post a scan of that spread here. I splurged and bought Action #900 on Tuesday because of how much that spread made me smile.
 

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Posted by the Hermit on :
 

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i'm really disappointed in how in the current series they're slowly but steadily bringing the characters' look closer to the seventies or the eighties: come on, let's move on!

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Originally posted by the Hermit:
[QUOTE]
Some of those 70s/80s costumes are just plain easier on the eye than their modern counterparts.

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i don't agree

anyway, put aside gary frank's designs, the current artist could have just tried something new altoghether. instead, we're stuck in the 70s/80s not only on the story side (sigh), but also on the art side. it saddens me, especially considering that once the legion was a comic book ahead of its times.

sorry for going OT!

@Sarcasm Kid: here's the awsome picture you're looking for: http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/2944075.html
 

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Posted by Candlelight on :
 
I've said elsewhere that I don't really like the mixing of eras for the retroboot costumes but I dislike many of the new costumes, too.
sigh

The Frank picture is adorable, though.
Clark is sure a hunk.
He looks more like Lar than himself.

I'd sure like to know what Lois' story is about!
 

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Posted by razsolo on :
 
Brin stuffing his face with pizza is the most adorable thing ever. ^_^
 

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Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
 
Prepare yourselves!


[ April 29, 2011, 08:58 PM: Message edited by: Nightcrawler ]
 

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Posted by Korbal on :
 

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Originally posted by Sarcasm Kid:
Prepare yourselves!

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Originally posted by Korbal:

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Originally posted by Sarcasm Kid:
Prepare yourselves!

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What--No Earth Man? Would have loved to have seen Clark's reaction to have Kirt drop by...

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Originally posted by cleome:

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Originally posted by Korbal:

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Originally posted by Sarcasm Kid:
Prepare yourselves!

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What--No Earth Man? Would have loved to have seen Clark's reaction to have Kirt drop by...

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That's Earth Man on top of the fridge, with Cham on the right, obviously.

They were both having an attack of shyness that evening.

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Originally posted by superboymddjr:
SUN GIRL RETURNS!!!!

link:
http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?aid=43532

and......sort of another familiar Legion foe too.

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Originally posted by Mystery Lad:
Sun Girl is a Teen Titan foe briefly seen in the 40' s of the current run. Her name is apparently Deborah Morgna, but that is about all we know.

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Isn't she supposed to be from the future, but before the Legion's time?
 

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Posted by superboymddjr on :
 
she was supposed to be from the future...as I recall when Geoff Johns created her. Inertia, Indigo-8 are from the future...so who knows what Superboy Prime brought? also the Persuader has a Legion connection.
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
Damn! And here I thought we might finally get an answer to that Inferno question we've been asking for so long!

Sun Girl? Bah! Lard Lad officially boycotts this comic!
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
I mean, why would Geoff Johns create this too-similar "Sun Girl" when there's a perfectly good long-dangling loose end just languishing out there in limbo?!?!

Geoff should be banished to Super-Limbo himself...of SPACE!
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Jeepers! Surely Geoff Johns would never take a heroic character that's been languishing in limbo for years and suddenly turn said character into a murderous psychopath!
 

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Posted by Lard Lad on :
 
Ester! Don't make me slap you, Cosmic Boy-style!
 

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Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
 
Sun Girl was supposed to be from a future she inhabited with Inertia, where Martians are slaves because of something horrible that Miss Martian did in between the 21st Century and her time. Miss Martian was Deborah's personal slave. It wasn't clarified just how far in the future she was from, though. Deborah planned on murdering Megan in the past to stop whatever Megan would do from happening.

Persuader is in fact Elise Kimble from the Terror Titans. She was told that she's a possible ascendant of the original Persuader from the 31st Century.
 

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Posted by Future on :
 
Don't know if this has been mentioned elsewhere or not, but I was catching up on Booster Gold issues and was pleasantly surprised to see the Giffen-era Legion (looks to be during a rollover from 70s outfits to 80s outfits) make a sizable guest appearance in Booster Gold #43.

It includes Proty slapping people Cosmic Boy-style. Always a treat.


 

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Posted by future king on :
 
Wow, how the heck did I ever miss this!

I'm going back and picking this up pronto!!!
 

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Posted by the Hermit on :
 

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Originally posted by future king:
Wow, how the heck did I ever miss this!

I'm going back and picking this up pronto!!!

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It got me reading Booster Gold.
 

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Posted by lil'rhino on :
 
Insignificant Legion app. in Kid Flash Lost #3.
Strictly for AR Legion collectors!(like myself)
 

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Posted by Silver Age Lad on :
 
Anyone not following the new Demon Knights is missing out on Mordru in the Middle Ages
 

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Posted by Legion Tracker on :
 
According to the DC Comics site, the Legion will appear in ACTION COMICS #5 and #6:

"Fresh off of his bestselling FLASHPOINT miniseries, industry legend Andy Kubert will be joining critically acclaimed writer Grant Morrison for a special, two-issue arc of ACTION COMICS in DC COMICS-THE NEW 52. Issues #5 and #6 will guest star the Legion of Super-Heroes, while also laying groundwork for things to come much, much later in Superman’s story. And keep an eye out for Krypto!"
 

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Posted by Future on :
 
Thumbs up to this news, as well as the Krypto tidbit - mostly for the fact I'm enjoying Morrison's revision of Superman's early days and don't mind continuing to read about it.
 

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Posted by kenaustin on :
 
This is in no way recent. It's just something I recently heard about, and I couldn't think of anywhere else to share it.

Tim Hunter and Mister E. tour the 31st century. The Books of Magic #4 1990




 

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Posted by Para-Dox on :
 
Supergirl and Brainy are on ice again:

Mike Johnson : She & Brainy can have a million superbabies later! In the meantime...

So he won't be a part of the new Supergirl series in any way for a while
 

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Posted by lil'rhino on :
 

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Originally posted by kenaustin:
This is in no way recent. It's just something I recently heard about, and I couldn't think of anywhere else to share it.

Tim Hunter and Mister E. tour the 31st century. The Books of Magic #4 1990

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Originally posted by lil'rhino:

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Originally posted by kenaustin:
This is in no way recent. It's just something I recently heard about, and I couldn't think of anywhere else to share it.

Tim Hunter and Mister E. tour the 31st century. The Books of Magic #4 1990

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FABOO!!
Thanks for sharing, Ken. This is going on LWs facebook page, posthaste!

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Yeah, I agree that this was a good catch. It really explains the larger context and ramifications of the Magic Wars, and also why magic continually seems to crop up in a big way in the 30th/31st centuries/
 

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Posted by Dave Hackett on :
 
Looks like Hunter is being re-imagined in the 21st Century as a hawk & Dove villain.


 

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Posted by kenaustin on :
 
Legion appearance from today's Action Comics...




 

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Posted by the Hermit on :
 
The best the founders have looked in a long time.
 

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Posted by Set on :
 
Oh wow, haven't seen Saturn Girl in a cloak for ages, or Lightning Lad, for that matter.

And has Cosmic Boy *ever* worn a cloak? Cool. He looks a little blocky, but I'm used to the Legionnaires having completely different faces and / or body types with every artist...
 

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Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
 
Mm. Sorry. They look too much like the LSV from Superman/Batman.

And I've invested too much in the Gary Frank redesign of LL. This just complicates things further.
 

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Posted by Legion Tracker on :
 

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Originally posted by Ken Arromdee:
some future writer decides to explain this away by saying that the Legion is visiting Superman out of sequence.

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That's my assumption.

The 'current' Legion can't visit the 'current' Superman because of the Flashpoint firewall / Legion Lost business.

But a Legion from a few years down the road (presumably with access to even better time travel tech), after the Legion Lost crew have either made it back or permanantly set up shop in the 21st century (and are no longer 'presumed dead' or unable to return due to temporal shenanigans), could visit the 21st century Superman without messing with the 'current' Legions currently canonical inability to safely visit this particular moment in time.

'Contemporary' really does mean less than nothing, in a book about time travellers from the future. There's nothing to prevent forty year old Legionnaires (or their children!) from time travelling to save the baby Kal-El's rocket from a disaster that would have thrown it off course and made it never reach Earth. There's nothing to prevent the teenaged founders from teaming up with a long-haired hippie spaceman Superman of 2235.

It only will get totally out of control if the Brainiac 5 of 2010 and the Brainiac 5 of 2037 show up on Kara Zor-El's doorstep at the same time, having accidentally double-booked 'date night.'
 

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Posted by Dave Hackett on :
 
Morrison loves time travel and he loves doing different things with the concept, so I imagine we'll get a lot more detail next issue. According to solicits, we may even get Legionnaires from various time periods. If anyone excels at non-linear storytelling it's Grant. Excited for the next issue.
 

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Posted by Candlelight on :
 

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I have absolutely no problem with an adult Legion visiting with an adult Superguy.

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Originally posted by Mystery Lad:
None of them are wearing flight rings.

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Originally posted by Ken Arromdee:
Also, to explain this appearance away by saying "they're from the future after the Flashpoint barrier is gone" doesn't make any sense.

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If you could ignore the Flashpoint barrier by being from further in the future, the Legion could break the barrier right now by travelling to the future Legion's era and then travelling to the 21st century just like a person from that future would.

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My assumption, as stated, was that the future dudes can punch right through the flashpoint barrier using their superior technology, not that it 'went away.'
 

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Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
 
Considering how many team members there are in the Legion, I'm a bit tired of seeing the founders *all* the time...
 

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Posted by Mystery Lad on :
 
It's not a certainty, but it sure looks like XS appears in TEEN TITANS #6, using the name and ID of a cop.

She's focused on Bart Allen, Kid Flash and uses 'sprocking' and other 31st century lingo (of Earth 247, anway)-- but the real 'tell' is a 'not supposed to have happened yet' sentence. Oh, and some files/thingies with Interlac written on them.

The panels reminded me of the Espionage Squad usage last year in the Superman books. Jenni hasn't appeared (or even been mentioned) in the LSH books in quite some time. Not since that odd back-up with the tiles in a temple. Or shrine. Or whatever it was.

Maybe she's conducting a one-woman mission that the Legion doesn't even know about? Or in collusion with Brainy, perhaps?

We've been told in several instances that time travel isn't 'possible' in the new DCU. I give that about five minutes, but until then- it might be kind of cool if Jenny is the only character that can time travel with impunity.

She seems older... maybe this connects with the older founders (if that's really who they are) in Grant Morrison's Superman title.
 

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Posted by kenaustin on :
 
Good catch Mystery Lad! I hadn't read that issue yet.


 

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Good catch Mystery Lad! I hadn't read that issue yet.

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Originally posted by superboymddjr:
Jocelyn made another appearance but I blanked out totally on which book did she appear...yikes!!

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Jocelyn made another appearance but I blanked out totally on which book did she appear...yikes!!

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SUPERBOY #7. She's guarding _______ after Superboy rescued her from _________.

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Originally posted by Jay Kay: So you consider all this time travel, and the usage of "entropy," I'm thinking that at some point in the next year, we're going to have some sort-of cross-over that involves the Super-Family and possibly the Legion fighting the Time Trapper on Krypton.

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