When it hit me who the teenaged girl competing with the Legion of Superman's attention was i felt kinda dumb for not figuring it out before but It put a smile on my face.
A restaging of an old Superboy story in the future. Sort of inline with those crazy preboot stories where the 31st century was populated with people that looked/acted just like their 20th century ancestors.
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Posted by Lone Wolf Legionnaire on :
Alexis Luthor and she stole Lobo's cycle.
Posted by Awesomegirl on :
Woah, the legionarres really kicked butt in this episode, and for the people who say that Saturn girl is weak were obviosly wrong. And I got to see more of Brainy and Phantom girl, who were both awesome by the way. The only thing I didn't like is that there was no Timberwolf and Bouncing Boy:( But I guess you can't have all the legionarres at once,cause I guess it's better to have them not be in the episode than to not do anything. Does anyone get the feeling we're going to see Alexis again?
Posted by Sketch Lad on :
At first I was annoyed that Alexis was getting all this air time. I mean, with so many Legionnaires I want to see, why do I have to spend all this time watching her? Well, there was a payoff! She went bad. Sad, but good storytelling! I liked it.
The action scenes were just great. I'm still all fanboy tingly from seeing these guys in action, especially Lightning Lad and Phantom Girl. I wish there were more Easter Eggs, we just got Lobo this time. I don't think any of the sentients in the backgrounds were anyone. Alexis used the name "Kort" though, didn't she? That was Magno Lad's name, right?
Posted by Awkward Pause Boy on :
I, too, did not get the reference until the hair started falling off. Pretty well done if you ask me. It would be interesting to see a Legion of Super Villains that was just a bunch of rich-kid wanna-bes.
I liked the Phantom Girl lines and Brainy's issues with being Superman's friend. Any time I wondered if they were going to be too cardboard cut-out, they backed off or surprised me.
A minor quibble I have to get out of the way: Lightning Lad's sound effect for his lightning bolts could use some tweaking.
Posted by l.e.g.i.o.n.JOHN on :
gee i guess in the 31st century Lobo has finally mellowed out, and i guess that the JLA satellite hasn't been scrapped after all.
Posted by Seth Gaterra on :
I caught part of it; will watch it later if the DVR worked properly. The TV listings still insist that Legion's been bumped to Sundays for the college games, but it shows on Saturday. So I have to hit record when the show starts instead of a pre-load.
I could see why Alexis would try to get Superman in the first place. He hadn't fought Lex Luthor yet, but she'd know about him from family history. And what better revenge, what greater humilation could she inflict, than to have Superman following her around like a lovesick puppy? Posted by Blue Battler on :
quote:Originally posted by Seth Gaterra: I caught part of it; will watch it later if the DVR worked properly. The TV listings still insist that Legion's been bumped to Sundays for the college games, but it shows on Saturday. So I have to hit record when the show starts instead of a pre-load.
I could see why Alexis would try to get Superman in the first place. He hadn't fought Lex Luthor yet, but she'd know about him from family history. And what better revenge, what greater humilation could she inflict, than to have Superman following her around like a lovesick puppy?
You'd think the Legion would have known who she was too in relation to Clark's past...
Posted by rtvu2 on :
I agree, I caught the thing about 'Alexis' early on. But we did see Lobo and the JLU base.
It would be fun for her to start the LSV though.
Posted by MLLASH on :
Fun!
Yeah, I predict an Alexis-funded LSV in future eps!
At first I kinda wanted her to be Alexis Spiffany.
Both Phantom Girl and Saturn Girl kicked major tail, and I'm glad the LSH didn't actually need SuperBOY (I refuse to refer to him as Superman here) to save their hash in that initial pre-upgraded battle.
Too bad there were no other Legionnaires at the HQ when the attack happened. This would have been a great time to throw in a couple.
Minor quibble: The Scavengers should have been the Resource Raiders!
Brainy's man-crush on Supes sure was cute!
I agree-- awesome battle scenes here. Good stuff all around!
Still in awe-mode at even HAVING a Legion 'toon at all.
Posted by superboymddjr on :
Resource Raiders?? is that what thye're called way back in Superboy and the Legion #242? (the Earth Wars saga)?
I was thinking about more like wishing that the raiders would be like Starburst Bandits...they do have the similar weapons...and they are thieves too.
Posted by Quislet, Esq. on :
I too was thinking "Resource Raiders" would have been cool.
I also think that the guy who first disses Superman and Alexis cuts down should have been Lester.
Posted by MLLASH on :
Sklarian raiders would also have been an option. A whole bunch of new girlfriends for Alexis.
Oh, Quis-- that Lester reference would have SO been perfect.
Posted by Quislet, Esq. on :
I am surprized you didn't think of it.
Posted by Awkward Pause Boy on :
Also, Brainy losing an arm and replacing it with a new robotic arm, so subversive!
Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
Lightning Lad carrying an armless Brainy was a fun tweak of the past. Still, it bothered me that they made such a dramatic moment of it when it really wasn't much of a problem at all. And Phantom Girl's line about understanding why Superman turned off his com let Superman off the hook too easily for neglecting his duty. Brainy's man-crush does bring a fun dynamic though.
The Scavengers were a little too Borg-like for me.
And there was more interlac! I love how only the interlac-literate got the reveal of her last name (they didn't actually mention it did they?)
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Not that I remember and the Interlac usage is really making this show shine IMHO. It seems like such a no-brainer yet the comics never get it right.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
I loved it!
I was a bit disappointed in the Lester wannabe but other than that it was fantastic!
And I loved Brainy being all jealous over Alexis getting all of Superman's attention!
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
quote:Originally posted by Blue Battler: You'd think the Legion would have known who she was too in relation to Clark's past...
Yes, but warning Clark that she was the descendant of one of his most powerful enemies would break the rule about "don't let Superman know all about his future"?
Posted by He Who Wanders on :
I found the episode a bit predictable. From the point where Alexis invited Superman out to a party, it was clear where they were going with the story, and, unfortunately, it offered few plot surprises. (Though I didn't mind it when Superman was sent on a red herring. That time-honored tradition harkens back to several ADVENTURE tales.)
I picked up on the Alexis name immediately, though they did do a good job of recasting her as as Lester Spiffany. It wasn't obvious that she was a Luthor until her hair fell out.
I did enjoy the character development -- even Superman as a teenager who is caught between wanting to please a girl and doing his duty. I like the fact that he makes mistakes.
Brainy's apparent hero worship of Superman was an interesting twist on the character. I can't imagine the comic book Brainiac 5, in any incarnation, looking up to Superman that way. I have mixed feelings about the change. It makes sense to have at least one Legionnaire remember that they have a living legend in their midst, but, at the same time, it's another reminder that this Brainy is virtually a completely new character. I'm still trying to decide whether that's more good than bad.
Yes, it appears that Saturn Girl can create illusions -- which means it's probably unlikely that we'll see the Princess anytime soon (no need for two illusion casters). In the context of battle, it makes sense, though, and gives Imra something more dramatic to do.
Nice to see more of Phantom Girl. I like her ghost-like eyes.
Timber Wolf on Rimbor --a nod to the Abnett-Lanning era?
Posted by Blue Battler on :
quote:Originally posted by He Who Wanders: I found the episode a bit predictable. From the point where Alexis invited Superman out to a party, it was clear where they were going with the story, and, unfortunately, it offered few plot surprises. (Though I didn't mind it when Superman was sent on a red herring. That time-honored tradition harkens back to several ADVENTURE tales.)
Brainy's apparent hero worship of Superman was an interesting twist on the character. I can't imagine the comic book Brainiac 5, in any incarnation, looking up to Superman that way. I have mixed feelings about the change. It makes sense to have at least one Legionnaire remember that they have a living legend in their midst, but, at the same time, it's another reminder that this Brainy is virtually a completely new character. I'm still trying to decide whether that's more good than bad.
Maybe I'm the only one, but I am really liking the cartoon Brainy. Given what we know about his comic book origins, this makes me really curious to see another Coluian to see if his physical abilities are normal for his race or not ...
I keep wondering if in the toon universe the Computer Tyrants either maintained their position or weren't so bad after all. Is this Brainy a cyborg or an android/robot? Is he a LITERAL descendant of the original Brainiac this time?
Inquiring minds want to know!!
Brainy's man-crush on Superman reminds me of his old infatuation with Supergirl. I don't know if that's intentional or not, but it does, so it seems oddly appropriate.
But given his reactions this episode, does anyone else think that their retrieval of Teen Superman as opposed to mature Superman is something that Brainy planned all along?
Posted by l.e.g.i.o.n.JOHN on :
quote:Originally posted by He Who Wanders: Yes, it appears that Saturn Girl can create illusions -- which means it's probably unlikely that we'll see the Princess anytime soon (no need for two illusion casters). In the context of battle, it makes sense, though, and gives Imra something more dramatic to do.
well if the scavengers were human or at least have human brains then it wouldn't be beyond Saturn girls ability to cast a mental illusion of her in their heads.
Posted by Suddenly Seymour on :
quote:Originally posted by Blue Battler: But given his reactions this episode, does anyone else think that their retrieval of Teen Superman as opposed to mature Superman is something that Brainy planned all along?
Absolutely. In the first episode, he repeatedly said things like, "Trust me," and, "I know what I'm doing," when challenged about his choice. I think he said it once or twice last episode, too.
This Brainy has an agenda. Maybe something happened, and the rest of the team doesn't know the Brainiac connection. They can't be too worried about not revealing his future to him since one of the first places they took him was the Superman museum. Maybe Brainy is just trying to lay a more positive groundwork for Clark's subconscious while he can, knowing they'll pretty much have to mindwipe him when he returns anyway, just like in the old days. Or maybe it's just a serious case of hero worship/legacy guilt.
Posted by Malvolio on :
quote:Originally posted by DrakeB3004: Lightning Lad carrying an armless Brainy was a fun tweak of the past. Still, it bothered me that they made such a dramatic moment of it when it really wasn't much of a problem at all. And Phantom Girl's line about understanding why Superman turned off his com let Superman off the hook too easily for neglecting his duty. Brainy's man-crush does bring a fun dynamic though.
The Scavengers were a little too Borg-like for me.
And there was more interlac! I love how only the interlac-literate got the reveal of her last name (they didn't actually mention it did they?)
No, it wasn't mentioned, but when her hair fell out while Supes was holding her, kind of gave it away for me. I was saying, "Would Alexis' last name be...LUTHOR?"
Posted by superboymddjr on :
I thought that her company symbol gave away...as it shows two "L" - one is upside down sorta like Yin/Yang symbol.
Posted by He Who Wanders on :
quote:Originally posted by l.e.g.i.o.n.JOHN:
quote:Originally posted by He Who Wanders: Yes, it appears that Saturn Girl can create illusions -- which means it's probably unlikely that we'll see the Princess anytime soon (no need for two illusion casters). In the context of battle, it makes sense, though, and gives Imra something more dramatic to do.
well if the scavengers were human or at least have human brains then it wouldn't be beyond Saturn girls ability to cast a mental illusion of her in their heads.
Yes, but this ability was more implied than used in the comics, and was pretty much forgotten after Projectra was introduced.
Posted by Korbal on :
Remember--during the team 20 arc reboot Shvaughn Erin told Lex Luthor that she had never heard of him--indicating that Luthor is forgotten in that Legion's timeline.
Posted by Matthew E on :
I thought her identity was given away the minute they named her 'Alexis'. Surely, by now, we know what clues to look for in a Superman story.
Posted by Seth Gaterra on :
I know Saturn Girl used illusion-casting at least once in postboot. Since she used it to scare Validus into submission, by making it think she was a bigger creature.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
She used it quite extensively in Legion Lost, as well.
Her illusion-casting ability goes back at least to her second appearance, where she makes a gun appear to a crook as though it is a snake. As HWW points out, this ability was largely ignored once Projectra was introduced, until the postboot, where Sensor's powers were also made telepathic in nature, effectively giving the two characters slight variations on the same abilities.
Posted by Yellow Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by Matthew E: I thought her identity was given away the minute they named her 'Alexis'. Surely, by now, we know what clues to look for in a Superman story.
Heh- you overestimate my ability to examine the story for it's pertinant details and enjoy the ride simultaneously. You're absolutely right though, there's no reason I didn't get the hint to begin with but instead I (like Lash) half expected her to be a Laster Spiffany knock off and was surprised to see her turn into a Luthor.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Heck, I spent half the episode trying to find anagrams for "Magathar". Posted by Sketch Lad on :
Actually, I thought there was a heavy Laurel Kent feeling going on at first. But it was a way more interesting story, having her be a descendant of Luthor instead of Clark. Also, awkward conversation to have with the kids if it was the whole "attracted to a relative" thing!
Posted by Portfolio Boy on :
I can't beleive nobody has mentioned that Alexis' robo-domo, Wodehouse, was named in homage of P.G. Wodehouse, only the most brillant writer this side of Shakespear.
Posted by Portfolio Boy on :
When we first see Brainy in this episode, he is in his Mobius Chair scrolling through holo-screens of Interlac text. Has anyone were yet tried to get a screen capture and translate what Brainy was reading?
Does it say anything, or is it gibberish?
Posted by Insomniac Girl on :
When I saw the text I of course had to freeze the scene and staaaaare at it prolongedly, but I couldn't make out anything interlac-y, even considering that it is mirrored. I vote gibberish.
Also, I want my own Wodehouse.
Posted by Probability Pete on :
Huggies to Portfolio Boy who got the PG Wodehouse ref. Go Jeeves!! I am posting because I am in a state of ennui, Ah... where is the "mot jus"?
Posted by Koymc Dox on :
quote:I know Saturn Girl used illusion-casting at least once in postboot. Since she used it to scare Validus into submission, by making it think she was a bigger creature.
quote:She used it quite extensively in Legion Lost, as well.
Up to and including making everyone think Apparition was hanging around for 2/3 of the series, and the illusion of the other Legionnaires "finding" them.
I'm just glad that after all the "Oh I'm in trouble Garth or Brin save me!" nonsense in the Timber Wolf episode, Imra comes accross as anything but helpless against the Scavengers. That's more like it.
Posted by Matthew E on :
quote:Originally posted by Portfolio Boy: I can't beleive nobody has mentioned that Alexis' robo-domo, Wodehouse, was named in homage of P.G. Wodehouse, only the most brillant writer this side of Shakespear.
I made much of this point in my review several days ago. I agree that it's probably the most important thing in the episode.
Posted by Tromium on :
I thought the Alexis/Superman scenes went on a little too long (whether or not you guessed her identity, which I did) and there ought to have been some explanation how she and Woodhouse (hee) managed to find the Scavengers after Brainy's scanners and Saturn Girl's mind probes had failed to locate them. But the only real "gaak!" moment came when Imra began performing gymnastics on the depot steps. The rest was simply good fun with a near-perfect ending (Alexis should have stayed bald). Phantom Girl is a cutie and I'm beginning to warm up to Robo-Pinocchio Brainy.
I was informed by my resident expert on such matters that Lightning Lad's hand-cupping, energy-ball-pitching attack style is straight out of Dragonball. And here stupid Me thought it was something new and original.
Posted by Blue Battler on :
quote:Originally posted by Tromium: I thought the Alexis/Superman scenes went on a little too long (whether or not you guessed her identity, which I did) and there ought to have been some explanation how she and Woodhouse (hee) managed to find the Scavengers after Brainy's scanners and Saturn Girl's mind probes had failed to locate them. But the only real "gaak!" moment came when Imra began performing gymnastics on the depot steps. The rest was simply good fun with a near-perfect ending (Alexis should have stayed bald). Phantom Girl is a cutie and I'm beginning to warm up to Robo-Pinocchio Brainy.
I was informed by my resident expert on such matters that Lightning Lad's hand-cupping, energy-ball-pitching attack style is straight out of Dragonball. And here stupid Me thought it was something new and original.
Heh. To me it looks like an attack out of City of Heroes ... Posted by Downunder Lad on :
I enjoyed the ep - IS it me, or is there a serious "Adventure" flavour to the TV 31st Century? not that they are limiting themselves to those characters, but that just seems to be the flavour of the stories - nice, clean, with a minimum of angst and worry and a good deal of fun and character development. The whole "Dating Lex's great nth grand-daughter" idea just had me wanting to dig back through my digests...
And I agree that having the identity reveal in interlac just MADE the ep for me
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