So, Colossal Boy, Blok, Cosmic Boy, Violet, Dream Girl, a very odd looking Sun Boy. Who else did we see at the end when he did his oath?
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Posted by Suddenly Seymour on :
Tyroc!
Posted by Portfolio Boy on :
OOUUEEIIUUU!!!!!!
Yeah, baby!
Posted by Portfolio Boy on :
We also saw Element Lad. Odd that his icon is an Interlac "E," while his chest symbol is, a la threeboot Phantom Girl, a stylized regular "E."
Posted by Suddenly Seymour on :
Another cool episode. Saturn Girl's really got some power in this version, and I like that. I really like her voice, too.
Interesting twist on TW's origin. I like the original better, but this was probably easier to shorthand into half an hour and gets the feral side in. They're obviously not FROM this planet, but would it have killed the writers to call it Zoon (or Zuun) since it is, essentially, his planet of origin? That's the second questionable use of planet names.
But there was definitely more to like than not. I like how they're establishing team dynamics -- Lightning Lad/Superbo -- um, man. LL's kind of feeling like the threatened Jo in the current book. Brainy/Bouncing Boy.
Some interesting designs for the characters on the screens at the end. Vi's all big-hair anime-eye girl. We'll see. E-Lad looks good. Blok looks small. Dreamy looks like she's wearing a big bow-tie. I had to pause it to make the connection that it's a chest emblem from the MMB symbols. Sun Boy freaked me out at first, but I like the sleeveless look. And Tyroc is a nice, streamlined vesrion of the original costume, though he's got a funky head.
Posted by Set on :
I couldn't tell if that was Tyroc or was supposed to be Invisible Kid 2.
Sun Boy looked kinda scrawny to be working the sleeveless thing.
Timber Wolf *sounded* all kinds of wrong to me. I just didn't like his voice at all.
And they've already run into the dramatic problem with having a telepath on the team. Mysteries? Only if the mind-reader conveniently forgets to, you know, *read minds.*
Lightning Lad is being a bit more impulsive / gung-ho than I'm comfortable with. That's what Ultra Boy and Violet (and occasionally Shady) are for.
And my biggest quibble of all is that Brainiac has all sorts of other powers. Wah. Being *smart* should be a worthy super-power. Giving him super-powers other than being smart violates the concept, just as it would if they gave Karate Kid the power to turn into a dragon or some crap. I really think, in a show for kids particularly, giving Brainiac robot-transformer-powers is an admission that, 'hey kids, *being smart* isn't cool enough.'
Bah humbug. Works for Batman.
Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
It was great to see the other Legionnaires on the screens -- Colossal Boy looked pretty good (love the outfit they chose) and yeah, Sun Boy might take a bit getting used to. I also agree that Dreamy's symbol looks a little too high on her chest though she looks pretty good (was there a star birthmark?) And Coz has brown hair! (not that I actually care, but it's been a bone of contention amongst some).
Brainy having powers doesn't bother me much - it gives him something physical to do during fights, but it's an excuse to be lazy. In the scene where Brainy defeats that robot, he boasts his 12th level itellect again, but they didn't really show how that intellect was used to defeat it - it looked like he took it down physically. They shold definitely figure a way for Brainy to use his brains more during encounters -- his body can be shaped as tools, but they really need to convey his brain as his main power (aside from just fixing things). I mean, they confronted a mad scientist in this ep, but Brainy had no input about the science that was going on??
Oh, and is it me or does Saturn Girl look less stylized in this ep?
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Posted by Tamper Lad on :
Yeah i think Saturn Girl relaxed her facial muscles a bit. Especially when she was in the cave with Timber Wolf and her hair was off to one side.
Posted by MLLASH on :
YAY!! I didn't miss this ep! I really enjoyed it!
Cyber-Brainy tkes a little getting used to, but I *love* his look! And I lOOOOOve the Brainy/Chuck repartee!
Garth has the Bierbaum-given "Live Wire" personality-- it fits him!
Superboy DOESN'T steal the show, FANTASTIC!
I can live with the planet not being called Zoon since it obviously isn't their planet of origin, but I "get" Seymour's quibble.
I did NOT care for either Imra's "mental force-blast" against the robots or her cowering before Timber Wolf, but those were my only minor beefs.
I caught Lu, Gim, Cos, Blok, Jan, Nura, Salu and I believe that was Tyroc at the end, AWESOME! I'll have to rewind and look for Dirk.
This was SO VERY worth the wait.
Posted by Omni Craig on :
Fun episode, but I totally got the "Island of Dr. Moreau" feel from it. Was awesome to see the shots of other Legionnaires on the ship, can't wait for more episodes, now that we have the "core 7" in place!
And I really don't like Saturn Girl having the ability to project illusions as part of her mental abilities. We have a Princess for that!
Posted by Sketch Lad on :
I kept wondering why they weren't calling it Zoon. Don't get it. Love the three moons!
Kept hoping some of the creatures and robots would be familiar. The robots sounded like the droids from Star Wars.
Kept looking to see if Saturn Girl was "into" Brin....
Loved that everyone was so aware of Sleep Healing... or whatever it was called.
The creature in the beginning SO should have been the Super Moby Dick of Space! But it was cool as it was....
They're so fun to show us little pictures of other members who haven't seen action yet! DREAMY!!!
SO loving that the Legion has a cartoon!!!! (And I love having TiVo now...plug plug!)
Posted by MLLASH on :
quote:Originally posted by Omni Craig: And I really don't like Saturn Girl having the ability to project illusions as part of her mental abilities. We have a Princess for that!
AGREED! I forgot about this...!
Posted by MLLASH on :
quote:Originally posted by Sketch Lad:
The creature in the beginning SO should have been the Super Moby Dick of Space! But it was cool as it was....
You are SO right! A missed opportunity!
Posted by Awkward Pause Boy on :
I don't see how any episode wouldn't be a treat for me. Especially when they throw in glimpses at other legionnaires. Yay, Jan! Tyroc; who knew? Hooray, Colossal Boy!
I still haven't made out symbol for Chameleon, though it's apparently somewhere in the credits. Was Light Lass in there? Princess Projectra? And, what about Wildfire & Dawnstar?
Anyway, the glimpses we get are good for now considering I was worried there wouldn't be anyone other than the "core" group.
More specific to this episode, I like the abilities Saturn Girl shows, and that they come with limitations. I also wouldn't mind seeing more of a Saturn Girl - Timberwolf relationship, blasphemy that it is. The design for the Legion Cruiser seems a bit overwrought, but it's good that they have them. Liked that the oath incorporates reasoning for their names.
A weekly legion fix! I can't wait for the next one!
Posted by Quislet, Esq. on :
I agree with Lash about Saturn GIrl cowering. That didn't ring true for me. I did like Saturn Girl being alone with Timber Wolf as it reminded me of the asteroid incident. As for Saturn Girl vs the robots, in Adventure 247 we do see her being able to affect robot minds too.
Brainiac 5: It struck me in this episode that they are giving him the powers that the original Brainiac had on Superman TAS - sending out power couplings.
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Hmm... so I didn't think this episode was quite as good as the first, but there was a lot to love, particularly Bouncing Boy, who seems to have retained the engineering aspect of his postboot self.
If Anibrainiac keeps mentioning his twelfth-level intelligence multiple times per episode, it's going to get kind of annoying, though.
Loved the inclusion of shots of other Legionnaires at the end, but where were Triplicate Girl and Phantom Girl in the episode?
And I totally prefer the original Timber Wolf origin over this simplified version. I thought the cheesy "I was trying to make a perfect soldier" aspect of his dad's motivations was so much less interesting than the original as well.
Oh well, I'm still excited about the series, however!
Posted by Portfolio Boy on :
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: And I totally prefer the original Timber Wolf origin over this simplified version. I thought the cheesy "I was trying to make a perfect soldier"
Wasn't the original, "I was trying to make a perfect miner?"
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
I believe it was. Hmm... I guess explaining why werewolves make perfect miners is a little difficult...
Posted by Tamper Lad on :
I liked how they introduced the legionnaires via the images in the induction ceremony. Any kid is gonna go "Who are all those guys?" and wanna know more.
I think that's why i bought my first Justice League and Avengers comics a way back when.
Wasnt it a bit odd that Superboy was administering the oath when he was the shortest tenured member there?
Posted by MLLASH on :
quote:Originally posted by Tamper Lad: I liked how they introduced the legionnaires via the images in the induction ceremony. Any kid is gonna go "Who are all those guys?" and wanna know more.
Wasnt it a bit odd that Superboy was administering the oath when he was the shortest tenured member there?
Paragraph 1: AGREED! I'm so excited about this I could pee my pants and I *know* who they all are!! Some little rugrat WILL pee his pants in excitement!
Paragraph 2: Maybe the last newbie gets to swear in the new newbie?
Posted by MLLASH on :
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: If Anibrainiac keeps mentioning his twelfth-level intelligence multiple times per episode, it's going to get kind of annoying, though.
He's the new Dawnstar! She used to mention how her tracking powers earned her a place in the Legion every time she appeared!
Posted by Spellbinder on :
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: Loved the inclusion of shots of other Legionnaires at the end, but where were Triplicate Girl and Phantom Girl in the episode?
I believe the plan is to rotate the cast, featuring several core members in each episode, along with other members. I suspect that they will be back next episode.
Posted by Tamper Lad on :
What was with the Sun Boy design though? He looked like a guitarist for a heavy metal band. Long hair, sleeveless shirt, skinny, eye makeup. Now i definitely wanna see him appear in an episode.
Posted by Mario Di Giacomo on :
Well, it's certainly better than his "Byronic poet" look in 5YL.
Posted by Lone Wolf Legionnaire on :
My favorite Legionnaire on the small screen Timber Wolf yay!,agree about the voice and origin but I can live with it,Loved the version of Steve Lightle's costume,the grey skin/fur I can live with,But I do wish his hair had a little more curl to it (ala Cockrum).
Can't wait to see Wildfire and Karate Kid my other two favorite Legionnaires.
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Posted by Nightcrawler on :
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Posted by Malvolio on :
Loved all those images during the reading of the oath. Can't wait for next week's episode.
Posted by Mystery Lad on :
A big THANK YOU for posting those caps. The CW station in my area is a broadcast-only one. It still comes in, but the reception looks only a little better than the channels that you can still see when cable goes out. So, the details in background shots like the flying Legionnaires from the first episode and the round-up of holo-witnesses to Timber Wolf's swearing in are hard for me to see. I tape the episode, but everything goes all fuzzy when I pause. Sigh-- can't *wait* for the DVD!!
The theme music's growing on me. It only needs an identifying 'hook', I think.
Was 'Rahl' shown in text somewhere during the episode? I thought they said 'Braal' and I kept wondering why Cosmic Boy's home planet was changed to Timber Wolf's planet of origin (in wolf-form, anyway). Do you think Brin has animal-control powers, here? Or was that just a predator's show of dominance when he confronted his father's other experiments?
Can Saturn Girl read minds without touching her subject? We know she can project mind-control without touching-- but maybe she can't really delve without physical contact. I kind of like the healing trance bit, but the mindblast was too Phoenix-like. Telekinesis? I think they've done a good job making her power a visual one-- though I hope she can be effective 'invisibly', too.
She looked much prettier when one 'wing' of her hair fell forward when she was lying on the ground. I'm guessing that she'd know that, too-- but wears the more severe style as a matter of choice.
What'd y'all think of Bouncing Boy's style of bounce-flight? Was he using the flight ring in concert with bouncing? The Legionnaires must've been traveling pretty slowly if he wasn't. It was an odd- but cool- visual.
Everything's background to the oath-scene, though. For me, at least. I got goosebumps when Brin donned the belt and ring and raised his hand to a ring of distant witnesses. Very effective, I thought. I hope lots of kids or other viewers are *very* curious about the characters appearing in the background.
Loved seeing Element Lad, Dream Girl and Sun Boy-- Blok, Shrinking Violet, Colossal Boy, Cosmic Boy... bring on their episodic debuts!
I thought Tyroc was Nardo when I first saw the scene! Or from Nardo's planet. The black stripe made me think of Invisible Kid, but those big metallic circles do hint much more at Tyroc.
It made sense to me that Superman 'officiated' at Timber Wolf's induction ceremony. If a legendary figure from the past that served as inspiration for your organization was present, wouldn't it be logical to have him step forward in situations like this? Even if he is a novice, relatively speaking on a couple of levels.
I look forward to- and sort of dread financially- the marketing blitz. The comic book and action figures have already been hinted at. Don't forget 'regular' book stores. There'll be a variety of children's books issued, I'm sure. 8x8,s... activity books with crayons/watercolor/stickers... novelizations... sound stories... I've seen all of those published for Teen Titans, JLU and Batman and Superman. Maybe even a hardback or two.
Posted by Monkey Eater Lad on :
Oh man, so I've watching that last sequence with T-Wolf's oath like 5 times now. Love it! Why was Violet all big-haired scarcedy cat looking? Is she afraid of those folks with big hair?
Posted by JanArrahLovah on :
I'm a big fan of the theme music (kind of reminds me of a mix of the 70s "Wonder Woman" theme and the score from "The Incredibles".) Does anyone know if it's available anywhere (the Kids!WB website allows you to download the Batman theme, but not the Legion one. Of course, I'm asking alot as there's only been two aired episodes, but c'MON!)
Posted by JanArrahLovah on :
quote:Originally posted by Set: And my biggest quibble of all is that Brainiac has all sorts of other powers. Wah. Being *smart* should be a worthy super-power. Giving him super-powers other than being smart violates the concept, just as it would if they gave Karate Kid the power to turn into a dragon or some crap. I really think, in a show for kids particularly, giving Brainiac robot-transformer-powers is an admission that, 'hey kids, *being smart* isn't cool enough.'
I completely agree. So far, this is my biggest issue with the series as a whole. Brainy's always been one of my favorite Legionnaires precisely because his 12th Level intelligence was his only "power". Where others use their fists or energy casting to get out of situations, Brainy out-thinks the problem (which is another reason I love his current quandry regarding Dreamy in SATLOSH so much. It's fun when Brainy's right all the time, but it's SO much more fun when he's wrong!)
Posted by Blacula on :
Its fun seeing the LSH on the screen but I'm not really getting into this series as much as I would've liked.
Maybe its gonna take a few eps to warm up but so far it seems to be aiming at a lot younger audience than any of the Bruce Timm series' or even the Teen Titans series did. It almost seems one step above the Krypto cartoon in its extremely simple plot and characterisations.
And chalk me up as one who simply can't get past the Brainiac 5 changes - he's so far divorced from the comic version that they may as well have called him something else... like for example Chameleon Boy since that's who he seems to be chanelling.
Other random gripes -
* Braal instead of Zuun - does anyone on the staff there actually have a knowledge of the Legion mythos or are they just skimming throuhg back-issues and writing down the major points. Braal's a pretty important planet to get so wrong.
* Why was Chuck bouncing instead of flying across the planet? (Though it did look kinda funny.)
* Did Saturn Girl gain telekinetic and illusion-casting powers at one point? Not a fan if so. Bring on Kinetix and the Princess!
* SuperMAN will just never sound right.
It was great seeing all the members at the end though and there are enough good things about this show that I can see it hopefully get a lot better in the long run. Here's hoping.
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
quote:Originally posted by Awkward Pause Boy: I still haven't made out symbol for Chameleon, though it's apparently somewhere in the credits. Was Light Lass in there? Princess Projectra? And, what about Wildfire & Dawnstar?
Cham's symbol is the first one in the list -
And none of the others you mention have appeared in any form yet.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
quote:Originally posted by Blacula: * Braal instead of Zuun - does anyone on the staff there actually have a knowledge of the Legion mythos or are they just skimming throuhg back-issues and writing down the major points. Braal's a pretty important planet to get so wrong.
It was Rahl rather than Braal, but it's still mysterious why they didn't call it "Zoon".
quote:
* Did Saturn Girl gain telekinetic and illusion-casting powers at one point? Not a fan if so. Bring on Kinetix and the Princess!
The uber-Saturn Girl is one of the many icky post-Zero Hour innovations which seem to have crept into the series. I can live with it though.
quote: * SuperMAN will just never sound right.
It especially sounds weird with every else going by thier lad/lass/kid/boy/girl names.
Posted by He Who Wanders on :
This was a good episode, and a worthy follow-up to the premier. I enjoyed the opening scene with the banter between Lightning Lad and Superman, and the conflict between Bouncing Boy and Brainiac 5. It was nice to see the latter two coming to understand one another.
I, too, thought that the planet was "Braal" at first, and was ready to complain about the arbitrary change to the Legion mythos, but I can live with "Rahl." I guess the TV creators have to put their in their own spin on things, and it's a minor change, at any rate.
TW's origin: This version is more dramatic than the original insofar as it casts Dr. Mar Londo as the villain (which he wasn't in the original story -- a new TV show needs villains). It also gives TW a sympathetic twist: Is he going to "monster out" on his teammates at some point? I thought this story offered a clever synthesis of all the various incarnations of TW.
My least favorite part of the episode: Saturn Girl becoming helpless three times -- particularly during the cave scene, where her unconsciousness provided a contrived excuse for LL and Supes to battle TW. As the only female Legionnare present, doesn't it seem so 1950s for her to need to be rescued so often?
But I really like SG's personality. She can take care of herself, yet shows compassion toward Brin as easily as she did to Clark in the first episode. (As to why she panicked when she first saw Brin hovering over her -- it was a believable reaction. Note, however, that she quickly became calm and realized that TW wasn't going to hurt her.)
I'm liking Chuck more and more. Why does he bounce when the other Legionnaires are flying on Rahl? Well ... because he's "improvising"!
I was less impressed with the oath scene at the end than some others. There was nothing wrong with it; it's just more or less what I was expecting. The cameos of other Legionnaires are nice, but I'll be more interested when I see them in a story. (Though it's fun to suppose how kids just discovering the Legion might react to all those unidentified faces.)
Two episodes ... two winners!
Posted by Awkward Pause Boy on :
quote:Originally posted by Nightcrawler: Cham's symbol is the first one in the list - And none of the others you mention have appeared in any form yet.
Cool, thanks Nightcrawler. I suppose Ayla will have to wait until the episode where Lightning Lad dies or meets Mekt. Dunno about the others.
Posted by reckless on :
TW has always been my favorite character. I actually first began reading LSH because I was intrigued by the Cockrum-costume TW on one of my brother's LSH digests. So I was really looking forward to the episode introducing him.
I enjoyed the episode, but had a few nits. I thought the origin was good and didn't mind the variations from the original. I'm not a big fan of the shapeshifting TW (admission, I never liked the feral/furball versions of TW in the comics), but I'm willing to accept this version for the cartoon.
This incarnation of TW is very Wolverine-ish. Coupled with the changes in Saturn Girl, who is very much in Phoenix/Jean Grey mode, I wonder if this is deliberate. With the "Saturn Girl understands TW while Lightning Lad doesn't" part of the episode, I was almost waiting for TW and LL to have an argument about who Saturn Girl likes more ala the Wolverine/Jean Grey/Cyclops triangle in the X-Men movies. If the series makes any effort at having continuing storylines, I wouldn't be surprised to see that happen. It certainly seemed to be hinted at when TW saved Saturn Girl at the very end of the episode, and they exchanged looks (while LL seemed to be watching). I'm torn about them going that route, because on the one hand, there is LSH canon for it (the asteroid incident), but it may seem a bit derivative.
My other nit about TW is his voice and dialogue. It just seems off. He goes from monster form to normal and his first words are "Do you mind?" And his speech to Mar about parents protecting children as well as his comments before taking the oath just seemed so flat. I know that Lightning Lad is supposed to be the hothead on the team, but I would have liked TW to have a bit more gravitas and anger in his voice. He had a tremendous right to be angry and, in fact, completely lost it right after the speech about children. I wish his voice had conveyed some of that.
I'll join the chorus about super-Brainy. I don't think I'd mind his acrobatics and fighting prowess if they made it clear that he was using particular gadgets that he had designed. Right now, though, he's too physically powerful and what makes the character so unique in comics is getting a bit lost.
I am loving Bouncing Boy -- and I have never really been much of a fan of the character in the comics.
Posted by armsfalloffboy on :
As long as neither TW or Brainy claim to be "the best at what they do" I think we're okay.
In a horrible DVR mishap I missed the first ep, so this was my first animated Legion experience. I thought they kept enough of the old stories and added a bit to keep it current. Not a big fan of Robobrainy, but I do like the fact that he seems shorter and younger than the others.
SuperMAN: Did they establish in the first ep that this is a younger Superman? He doesn't have a very deep voice.
My seven- and six-year olds were fished in big time! My son said a few times "He did that to his OWN SON??!!?"
Listen, if it were up to me, we'd just animate the entire Legion run from the beginning through today in the style of each major artist (wouldn't the Shooter Legion make a great retro cartoon, with all of the characters based on Swan's work?), but obviously that's not going to happen. So I'm going to work really hard at not getting too nitpicky on changes from the original or things that I might have done differently. Because for real, back when many of us were on the DC boards, marking time with horrible reboot Bizarro Legion issues, would anyone have guessed there would EVER be a Legion cartoon? Think of all the kids being brainywashed into Legion fans every Saturday!
Posted by knowjack on :
Well, of course I was thrilled to catch glimpses of my two favorite members, Sun Boy and Dream Girl! Thought Dreamy looked great--not sure about the long mullet look for Sun Boy, but I did like the sleevless look. I hope we actually get to see them in an episode!
I also think Saturn Girl looked a bit less creepy this episode.
Posted by Set on :
Oh my god, I hadn't actually slowed down those symbols and checked them out! Chemical King and Matter-Eater Lad are there! Wow.
Posted by rtvu2 on :
I agree with Jacky, Saturn Girl did look lees creppy and had the normal eyebrows. I hope after a couple of seasons, the LSH will go Unlimited and have a rotating cast. I hope that is the aim of the creators of the show.
Posted by Bicycle Repair Man on :
quote:Originally posted by Mystery Lad: I thought Tyroc was Nardo when I first saw the scene! Or from Nardo's planet. The black stripe made me think of Invisible Kid, but those big metallic circles do hint much more at Tyroc.
Could be Tyroc, could be Jacques, could be 3boot Star Boy. Didn't spot any other Star Boy candidates, or any other Invisible Kid candidates, in that scene (though of course, Invisible Kid could've been present, but invisible ).
Posted by Bicycle Repair Man on :
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: If Anibrainiac keeps mentioning his twelfth-level intelligence multiple times per episode, it's going to get kind of annoying, though.
We're zany to the max! There's baloney in our slacks! We're AniBrainiacs!
-------------------- "Bouncing Boy, are you pondering what I'm pondering?"
Posted by Yellow Kid on :
Wouldn't bother me at all if it's Jacques..even though I'd seriously miss Lyle.
My first reaction when Superbo...man (that's going to take getting used to) held out the case and asked, "Ready?" was an actual comic book style -gasp- followed by an' "Oh wow!" Yeah, the fanboy side of me really kicked into high gear. I was really impressed that they'd have a Legion Induction Ceremony in the second episode of the series. I wasn't expecting to see one at all.
I didn't get to see it until Sunday (on tape) and my 6yr old was happily "spoiling" it for me as we went along. Apparently he'd watched it at least three times on Saturday and was excited about waiting for Dad to get home and watch it again!
I'm hooked and I have to agree about the mixed feelings about the merchandise I'll buy everything I can afford...and then some...I think I'm mainly dreading how many Happy Meals I'm going to have to eat to get all the toys.
Posted by matlock on :
Happy Meal Toys = mandatory cholestoral checks for Legion Worlders. We'll all balloon up.
Posted by Suddenly Seymour on :
Good news: Most McDonald's let you buy the toy without getting the Happy Meal (for less than the cost of the meal, of course). That's how I amassed most of my former collection (and the few I still keep around).
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As for Saturn Girl vs the robots, in Adventure 247 we do see her being able to affect robot minds too.
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I'll buy everything I can afford...and then some...I think I'm mainly dreading how many Happy Meals I'm going to have to eat to get all the toys.