quote:Originally posted by lil'rhino: This story was Giffen's way of ridiculing DC for all their reboots & tweaks & zero hours & re-reboots and how it messed with the Legion over the years. So instead of the classic Supes meets the Legion origin, it's now cluttered with countless numbers of time bubbles with countless versions of the Legion, giving both Kal-El and the readers a terrible migraine!! I loved it!
I'm glad someone liked it - I thought it was terrible. I find it ironic that Mr. Giffen thought it appropriate to ridicule all the reboots, when it was his 5YL version that drove the Legion cruiser into the ditch and consequently forced reboots from its ashes. It's been 15+ years since his Legion experiment and the dust from that nuke cloud hasn't settled yet...
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quote:Originally posted by Kid Quislet:
quote:Originally posted by lil'rhino: This story was Giffen's way of ridiculing DC for all their reboots & tweaks & zero hours & re-reboots and how it messed with the Legion over the years. So instead of the classic Supes meets the Legion origin, it's now cluttered with countless numbers of time bubbles with countless versions of the Legion, giving both Kal-El and the readers a terrible migraine!! I loved it!
I'm glad someone liked it - I thought it was terrible. I find it ironic that Mr. Giffen thought it appropriate to ridicule all the reboots, when it was his 5YL version that drove the Legion cruiser into the ditch and consequently forced reboots from its ashes. It's been 15+ years since his Legion experiment and the dust from that nuke cloud hasn't settled yet...
Although the story has all the hallmarks of a Keith Giffen 'comedy' story, the writing credits go to Len Wien and the editor was Mike Carlin. How did these two DC professionals end up allowing this nonesense to be published?
I wonder what Paul Levitz thinks as this story will really have helped the sales of his Legion books.
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quote:Originally posted by Superboy-Supergirl: What no one's gonna talk about Supergirl in the last costume she had Pre-Crisis? and wondering who she is? or which Kara she is.
Current theories 1) She's from the new Earth One as part of the as yet unexplored infinite multiverse set up by Morrison in Final Crisis. (more than 52 Supermen) 2) She's current Kara from the future that was pulled into the Crisis just like Legion were leaving Crisis as her final fate. (Which is hella nifty)
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quote:Originally posted by Superboy-Supergirl: What no one's gonna talk about Supergirl in the last costume she had Pre-Crisis? and wondering who she is? or which Kara she is.
Current theories 1) She's from the new Earth One as part of the as yet unexplored infinite multiverse set up by Morrison in Final Crisis. (more than 52 Supermen) 2) She's current Kara from the future that was pulled into the Crisis just like Legion were leaving Crisis as her final fate. (Which is hella nifty)
quote:Originally posted by Iam Legion: I think it's theory #2, but theory #1 would be good also.
Just so you guys realize this (and you might already) but Legacies has been filled with all kinds of errors continuity-wise that make it clearly not cannon. They've got the Losers living into the 70's, Booster helping out in Crisis and many other things.
So it stands on its own as its own thing, but it certainly isn't 'in continuity'.
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Actually, No, I didn't know that. I thought this was supposed to be the lastest 'definitive' history of the DCU. So, is it more of a 'just because we can' then? Sort of like 'Countdown to Final Crisis' continuity wise?
quote: Just so you guys realize this (and you might already) but Legacies has been filled with all kinds of errors continuity-wise that make it clearly not cannon. They've got the Losers living into the 70's, Booster helping out in Crisis and many other things.
So it stands on its own as its own thing, but it certainly isn't 'in continuity'.
This could be Post Infinite Crisis Continuity.
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I certainly hope there is more to it than just an in-house joke about the Legion continuity.
My more pressing fear is that we'll see more of this "quality" of artwork from Giffen when the LSH Annual comes out in a couple of months. Can you imagine a whole book looking like that? No disrespect for the folks out there that enjoy this type of art though.
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Ok, I finnally got to read this story. I am sure that I will get jumped on for this, but.... It was HORRIBLE. AWFUL. Insulting to the LSH and to the fans. The art (and I really hate to use the term for this work) was grating on the eyes and the nerves. The story not only was uninteresting dreck, but also an obvious insult aimed not at the number of reboots, but at the readers that have had so many different versions thrown at us that we can nolonger even agree amoungst ourselves as to what the Legion is and should be. Clark's lines 'means something to all of you....as soon as you all can agree on what that something is, get back to me' is just about the snottiest treatment of the readers I have seen. Is Len Wien even a real writer? I ask because I don't keep up with writer or artists names much, but this story seems a lot like the use of Superboy Prime to ridicule the fans that complained about changes to the Legion. Could it be another writer using a suedonym?
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Thanks for the link, I found it educational. I don't usually pay attention to artists or writers unless I love/hate something they have created. Otherwise, I am only concerned with the result, not who get's credit or blame for it. Unless, it is so awful that I fear if the person ever gets involved again... whicn is pretty much the case here. If this really was his work (and not something being falsely atributed to him to shift responsibility) then I pray that he is never allowed to think about the Legion again, let alone write anything for them, for the rest of his life. It wasn't funny and it did nothing to draw new readers to the new series. It was nothing but a huge slam of the characters and the readers. If this series is supposed to be the new 'definative' history of the DCU (and I think that is in question?) then appearently DC cares nothing about the Legion at all except for what money they can squeeze out of us before they toss the book in the can..... again.
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Absolutely in agreement with I Am Legion. Frightful it is only a mercy word. I hope Mr Giffen don't do more disasters in the annual with my precious Empress... Pa Kent look like a zombie anorexic....
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heh! Of course, I enjoyed it. I can see it bumming out fans who look at LEGACIES as the current be-all 'History of the DCU' but I think it's far too full of continuity inconsistencies to be considered that.
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I think writing a story like that should be to bring new readers into the Legion mythos. Why do it if that isn't the case? Shoot yourself in the foot much?
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