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The Earth Prime Legionnaires...and Superboy Prime to adults...i pose a theory that something Superboy Prime did caused the Adults in the past...to the Legion's time to clamp down on their children. Maybe the Service was a reaction to keeping an eye out on their kids out of how Superboy Prime treated his folks.
Kids were totally beaten down into submission until the Legion came and caused a revolution in that. Sorta what the 60s did.
Maybe I'm just reading into things...but sounds plausible.
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Makes sense, and in a warped way allows for Superboy to be both an inspiration and an anti-inspiration (cautionary legend) for the threeboot. There are a lot of plot possibilities there. My contribution: Originally, Brainiac 5 was heartbroken over the misdeads of his famous ancestor, and brought it up whenever he could. Perhaps Laurel Kent Prime could be shown in a similar vein.
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quote:Originally posted by Superboy-Supergirl: The Earth Prime Legionnaires...and Superboy Prime to adults...i pose a theory that something Superboy Prime did caused the Adults in the past...to the Legion's time to clamp down on their children. Maybe the Service was a reaction to keeping an eye out on their kids out of how Superboy Prime treated his folks.
Kids were totally beaten down into submission until the Legion came and caused a revolution in that. Sorta what the 60s did.
Maybe I'm just reading into things...but sounds plausible.
The revolution in the 50s/60s was a fairly eerly response to the changes in the status of kids in Western society. They no longer worked long hours, had free time and had money for the first time ever. The effects were fairly rapid.
To imagine that the repercussions of Superboy-Prime would reverberate for a thousand years doesn't really fit with history. Name an event 1000 years ago that has a major impact on how we live now. I can't think of any.
Waid's premise that kids were suppressed, that adults rarely met and Earth was at peace never rang true to me. Earth was at peace when the Dominators, Khunds etc were all out there picking of weak planets? Gimme a break. To imagine that the Legion went through everything it did but before the Legion the Earth had been peaceful is just beyond logic IMHO.
Nevertheless, if we assume that it was the case, the teenage revolution would not have taken long to form and young parents would soon add their support as they moved from their suppressed years into adulthood. Twenty years tops before it was brought down. So the cause of the suppression would have been much, much later. Linked to the agoraphobic attitude of the adults, the cause could be a fear of contamination - possibly an alien disease that caused a pandemic.
But whatever it was it would have to be within 20-50 years of the Legion's time.
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Thinking again about Superboy-Prime. His parents recognise what he has done and so does (did?) Lori but to everyone else on the planet the stories are just fiction. Otherwise there would have been either:
i) a load of DC fans at the Kent house causing a commotion and potentially getting heat-visioned or
ii) the General Sam Lane types of Earth Prime trying desparately to control or destroy the Kryptonian in their midst
Since neither of these things have happened, it is fair to assume that Superboy-Prime is considered fiction on Earth-Prime.
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quote:Originally posted by Silver Age Lad: To imagine that the repercussions of Superboy-Prime would reverberate for a thousand years doesn't really fit with history. Name an event 1000 years ago that has a major impact on how we live now. I can't think of any.
I don't know what history you're looking at.
We use forks in the USA because William the Conqueror introduced them to England when he, well, conquerored them quite a few hundred years ago.
In the USA, we speak English as a nation instead of German, by just one vote back in the early days of our country, hundreds of years ago.
Western civilization owes it's entire approach to logical thinking to a paper Plato wrote recording a discourse by Socrates a few thousand years ago.
Hindus die in the Ganges River when they go for religious cleansing, usually by Bull sharks or saltwater crocs (or drowning, I guess) just as dictated thousands of years ago by their religion.
I worship Jesus, who died and was resurrected 2000 years ago, which affects my life totally.
The list is almost endless. How long do you think Middle Eastern women have been wearing vailes that cover their faces/bodies and live with almost no human rights (sorry, it's an outrage to me?)
Someone like Superboy Prime, if he were real, could effect society for far more than a thousand years, imo.
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greed. All it would take is for Earth-Prime to get S-Prime on one bad day for him to get remembered.
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quote:Originally posted by Silver Age Lad: To imagine that the repercussions of Superboy-Prime would reverberate for a thousand years doesn't really fit with history. Name an event 1000 years ago that has a major impact on how we live now. I can't think of any.
I don't know what history you're looking at.
We use forks in the USA because William the Conqueror introduced them to England when he, well, conquerored them quite a few hundred years ago.
In the USA, we speak English as a nation instead of German, by just one vote back in the early days of our country, hundreds of years ago.
Western civilization owes it's entire approach to logical thinking to a paper Plato wrote recording a discourse by Socrates a few thousand years ago.
Hindus die in the Ganges River when they go for religious cleansing, usually by Bull sharks or saltwater crocs (or drowning, I guess) just as dictated thousands of years ago by their religion.
I worship Jesus, who died and was resurrected 2000 years ago, which affects my life totally.
The list is almost endless. How long do you think Middle Eastern women have been wearing vailes that cover their faces/bodies and live with almost no human rights (sorry, it's an outrage to me?)
Someone like Superboy Prime, if he were real, could effect society for far more than a thousand years, imo.
The fork was introduced into Great Britain in the 16th Century by Thomas Coryat (c. 1577 – 1617) not by the Normans. Anyway, I'm not sure forks are as relevant as say fire or the wheel. But those are technologies. Technologies always advance. But speaking from Great Britain, William the conqueror's day to day legacy is nil. It's difficult to play 'what if' games but if Guilliame d'Orange had not been proclaimed ruler, then I doubt whether the average Briton would have a different life today. The English language does owe a lot to the Normans merging French with the previous Viking, German and Celtic but language is fluid and does not really affect people's lives unless you live in an ethnic minority in your home country.
The German v English story is an urban myth which isn't true. The British owned most of North America. German was never a prevalent language in the colonies.
All of the others are religiously driven. Religion is the one area where it is passed down through generations almost unchanged and unchallenged. Speaking as an athiest I really do not understand why people believe these strange things - Christains not believing in evolution is as crazy as muslims wearing veils - but I accept that they do. But Christians aren't really affected by Muhammed and Muslims by Jesus (if either of these people actually existed) so their affect is not universal. There are probably nearly a billion people in China who have never heard of either for example.
Anyway... unless there was a religion worshipping Superboy-Prime, it seems hardly likely to me that the average 30thC person would be any more affected by his actions than we are by say Gengis Khan's, Napoleon's or Al Capone's.
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We really haven't seen a whole lot of Threeboot Earth. We know it has a Metropolis and a Tokyopolis.
For all we know, Superboy Prime could have had a hissy-fit and burned South American off the map, because he thought a couple of Venezuelan kids were talking about him behind his back. (Since they were talking Spanish, and laughing, and *obviously* that means they were making fun of him or something, since it's a general rule that if someone is speaking in a foreign language, it must be about him! At least for a colossally insecure dolt like Prime.)
If Prime did some horrific damage in a fit, destroying cities, nations or continents, or exterminating entire ethnic groups, which would be *enormous self-restraint* for him, based on his previous violent over-reactions, I could see the 31st century Earth-Prime still having a violent gut-reaction to the presence of uncontrolled super-powered teenagers.
On the other hand, this was never even hinted at in the Threeboot, and the prescence of Supergirl (who has the same powers and the same visual style in her costume) was cheered and welcomed even more than the non-Prime-looking / powered Legionnaires, becoming a kind of instant super-popular celebrity. The entire reaction to the arrival of Supergirl suggests to me that Waid had no such notion, although I could see Johns ignoring the whole Supergirl appearance and pretending that Prime did something to make the 31st century hyper-reactive to the idea of teens with powers. He's shown a tendency to just ignore past continuity and make stuff up to suit his cause celebre (with Rainbow Girl being Exhibit A, retconned into an emotional spectrum manipulator).
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There is the possibility that if Prime DID act up on Earth-Prime, Kara, Kal, and Conner were once again called in to stop him. They ARE the most powerful. You never know.
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