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Is anyone else as sick as I am of these two? Not only do the writers think they have to always be shown together, they are not attractive characters individually. Dawnstar has always been aloof and critical, and I can't think of an instance when she has tried to be friends with any of the other Legionnaires. I remember she was particularly dismissive of the White Witch early on, and was also arrogant in her dealings with Phantom Girl. Wildfire is a product of the 1970s when brash, rebellious superheroes were the rage. Enough. I would not shed a single tear if these two were to go off together and leave room for far more interesting characters. If they have to stay, can't they at least interact with some other characters and can't we be spared the sad sack love angle. ugh.
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Amen, Brother. I wish it was them who broke up instead of Shady and Mon. Send her back to her lesbian lover on Thanagar and blow him up once and for all. I'm so bored with seeing his suit explode too.
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quote:Originally posted by jimgallagher: I'm so bored with seeing his suit explode too.
That just bugs me. He opens his suit a micro-fraction, and creates overwhelmingly ridonkulous anti-matter explosions.
He flips open his face-plate, and he blows up the HQ in an attempt to stop Omega from reaching the Miracle Machine.
And then the suit gets blown wide open, and *all of his energy is released* and a fat stack of jack happens. Even the very much non-invulnerable Saturn Queen doesn't have so much as her hair mussed by an event that should have made the destruction of Titan look like an opening act.
Wildfire is ridiculously powerful. He should be portrayed that way, or not at all, if the writer can't deal with him. Have him go spend some time on Teall, or go teach at the Academy, or explore Qward and found the Legion of Anti-Matter Heroes.
I like Drake, but not when he's around Dawnstar, moping about their sexless relationship. Wah.
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Pre-boot, Wildfire was my least-favourite Legionnaire of all time. Re-reading old issues I still have to skip over most scenes to do with him. Something about the way he used to be written is just so annoying to me.
I loved his re-invention in the re-boot though and that affection has mostly carried over to this retro-boot version too.
I've always liked Dawnstar. Mainly for her beautiful visual.
I cannot stand these two together though. Their whole dynamic as a couple (if they ever were one? she has never seemed the slightest bit interested in him as anything more than a friend IMO which makes his endless spewings of love and affection for her, and constant following her around, all the more creepy and pathetic) is stale. S.T.A.L.E. I get absolutely nothing out of scenes I read featuring these two. I think I'm at the point now where Paul could do literally anything with these two characters and as long as it didn't involve them acting in this weird, loveless, co-dependant manner I would find it an improvement.
Total ditto with Jim about wishing these were the two who went their separate ways rather than Shady and Mon.
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I'm re-reading the Baxter stuff now, and it's a realistic and well-done split that Paul tried to develop between them (though honestly who doesn't like the issues where he followed her to Starhaven). The relationship worked better when it was strained and tragic and heading for a messy end.
Johns wrecked that by having them as a stable couple. So in the intervening years they were able to patch it up and make it work some how. Sure, that's a feel good story (albeit one we didn't see), but now they are drained of almost all their dramatic potential. Saying this as someone who loves Wildfire, she needs to leave him and get them both out of this stale status quo.
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There was an earlier thread about this subject. I don't mind them as friends but would still prefer some enhancement in the personalities of both characters. Dawnstar in particular deserves better than to be treated as essentially a faux-New Age burlesque dancer all the time. Give her a decent costume, upgraded powers and/or fighting skills, and SOMETHING to care about other than Wildfire. (Who is, in his traditional persona, a pain in the ass.)
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I have to say I was a fan (past tense) of these two in the pre-boot era but, honestly, this new Legion version is not the same.... the dynamic has changed too much in my opinion.
I like Dawny and Wildfire seperately but as a couple ... uh, uh, I'm not buying it this time around. It just feels strained, forced, awkward, whatever you want to call it. I think the best these two together could ever hope for now is best friends, and hey there is nothing wrong with that.
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I certainly agree with the idea of Dawnstar & Drake breaking up, rather than Tasmia & Lar. sigh Too late for that now, I guess.
And honestly, most of Levitz's current relationships in the Legion, feel forced and unnatural. ugh
Get Dawnstar into a decent costume, like cleome said, and get her with Brin, I say. They'd make a great couple in every cliched way I can think of.
Drake needs to get with Celeste, two energy beings who were once people. They could make lots of little green and yellow balls of enery that could roll around. Settle a new planet, a gaseous one, and start a new species and live for a million years.
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If they bring her back, she should stay a detective, though. Cham needs a drinking buddy.
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Can anyone illuminate the history of Dawny/Drake? I've been reading my GDS hardcover, and the relationship felt like it was in its nascience in those stories, mostly with Drake showing an overly protective streak with her there that felt one-sided. I'm extremely unfamilar with era between Cockrum and LSH 284, so it made me wonder if Levitz originated this between them in his GDS era. But someone in the GDS thread said Drake's crush on Dawny started with her introduction. Can anyone share some specifics?
Personally, Wildfire was the first Legionnaire to become my favorite (that has evolved over time), so I really appreciated his tragic romance with Dawny. I'd agree that it's run its course, however, unless Paul can give us new insight and illuminate us about what has occurred between his runs that has enabled them to persevere. I'm always up for a good story, so if Paul can captivate me again with the pairing, I'd be willing to see more.
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Well, for starters, Drake trained her when she was in the Academy, and he vouched for her to join the team. That goes a long way towards explaining their connection.
Don't get me wrong: I like their friendship, but I'd like to see them both mature as characters. The romance-that-could-never-be shouldn't be such a defining characteristic.
I'd also like to see Drake either able to make a more human-appearing energy construct (as he was shown to do briefly later in Levitz' first run) or to make some kind of real peace with the fact that he's just not human anymore. I argued in an earlier thread on this topic that it's been a fair amount of time since his transformation. He could become acclimated to what he is now, and not spend so much time obsessing about what he used to be.
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^Maybe he'd "acclimate" better if Dawny didn't have that boob window constantly reminding him of what he's missing out on!
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Dude, I seriously hate that thing with the passion of a million burning suns. It's one of the things that makes it so tough to get other women to check out superhero comics.
Me: But it's really a great story! There's all this action and mythos and friendship and romance and--
Her: WTF? Why are her damn boobs hanging out everywhere every ten seconds? The Hooters girls look like nuns compared to her! Bleah! How can you read this crap?
Really. We've all stood in the checkout line and seen Cosmo. We all get that you guys dig boobs. Now give the nice superhero lady something practical to wear and let's all proceed with the story, okay?
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