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Just what are the possible outcomes coming out of Legion of 3 Worlds? We know that the Time-Trapper's playing a huge role in it, and that's already a hint of, at the very least, a change of personnel.
Some guesses could be...
1) An Ongoing series for the recently revived Legion - the one still cherished by the majority of comic buyers, as they become the icons they deserve to be. Just another step in DiDio's 'New Readers? Who cares? Our loyal old-timers are slipping away!' last-ditch plan, starting with Hal's return and now Barry's, apparently.
3) Wait, the other two actually have a fanbase? Well, this radical option makes virtually every Legion issue/storyline readable again, and will bring an instant, combined depth to each character. (Like what the DCU became in COIE.) As the wise Bat once said, the future is always changing. That equals to a merged continuity, with any incarnation, era, and alternate futures, and whatnot in comics. No more vouching that your Legion is the real Slim Shady, whether it had 30 years of history of just three and a half.
The most natural path IMO would begin with the 'Clubhouse' era (Swan/Shooter), using LSH v.4 #0 as the draft origin. The Reboot era would follow, as it's promoted to a U.P. organization, with Legionnaires #0 chronicling the beginning of that phase. After TT/L Special, the consequences of IC bringforth the Threeboot era. As I've mentioned elsewhere, the Cockrum-Legion (until prior to Glorithverse) is the apparent future for this continuity; that'll make great reimaginings for the current Legion series. And the diverging timelines after that include 5YL, Geoff's Revival Legion, even the old Adult Legion! I've prepared some explanations (and retcons, of course) for the character/development transitions in the hypothetical single continuity, but feel free to make up some. The status of the various Supers for such a continuity are also for discussion btw.
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Unfortunately, the Legion is no exception.
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The 3 legions merge their "life forces" to defeat the villains of LO3W and turn into a modern day approximation of the 1970s Cockum/Grell Legion (but with a combined continuity).
Hey, I've heard a lot worse.
From: Reimagined Trom | Registered: Jul 2003
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Let's see, what's the worst idea I can come up with...
FC:L3W ends with all the Legionnaires from all three Legions merging into one single person, a little girl in clawed power armor, who relocates to the 21st century and joins the Outsiders.
Set
There's not a word yet, for old friends who've just met.
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The combined Legion of 3 Worlds die horribly ripped into hundreds of seperate component limbs and torsos, many horribly scorched, floating around in the void of space amongst chunks of blood-ice...
...to be replaced by a quirky and poorly-drawn 'Legion' presented in nine-panel format consisting of; Kono, Invisible Kid IV (some fat middle-aged Legion HQ janitor we've never seen before who found the formula in the destroyed HQ), Comet the Super-Horse (who has gained the power to turn into a centaur and is dating Snakejectra, in an anatomically unlikely pairing), Comet Queen, Snakejectra, a Proty-possessed-Jarrth-who-merged-also-with-LeViathan-and-changes-genders-randomly, Mekt's never-before-seen and continuity-wrecking 'long-lost twin sister' Maddy Ranzz and a time-displaced Geo-Force, led by Brainiac Six Point Seven-Two-Eight-Three-Bleem, a Coluan-brain that resides in the upgraded braincase of Ze Brain.
It is cancelled after six issues, and Dan Didio says that the poor sales 'prove' that the time for the Legion of Super-Heroes is done, that it was an old dog, and it's time had come to be put down. He also blames the fans for not giving it a chance, and suggests that we weren't loyal enough to the Legion to make the book work.
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Now that's pure DC! I can't say I'm a comic old-timer, but compared to their violent continuity schemes, I'd say mine's a tad close to 'sensible'.
And to explain how the heck Threeboot was to fit into this... Star Boy was horribly mutilated in an Amazers' mission, and the next best alternative was to transfer his brain onto a black guy's stem cell clone. (That being sarcastic to the initial groan and moan when Threeboot Thom was revealed, no offence ) Or that Invisible Kid 'died' - or just turned permanently invisible in Legion HQ so he can make better use of his spying talents... so the Legion just sprocked his rep by hiring a four-times removed cousin of his who happened to be an idolizing litte emo who creepily fashioned his own name as 'Lyle', and imitated his origin - hence the Legion's usual distancing from him... and just who was that gargantuan creation of Waid's? Nothing really funny for this reason, but I'd say Gim's giant blood managed to put him out of a long, heart-lethargic coma when he was 'Leviathan', so he had those awful radiation pockmarks that made him look more like a Hulk clone. And thank Geoff Johns for his one panel in IC#6, bailing me out on explaining how Jan and Garth got their groove back.
You can tell how I'm not buying into Threeboot as a 'Legion incarnation' but maybe the real Wanderers/Outsiders/Runaways, but Shooter/Manapul has neutralized things a lot.
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Unfortunately, the Legion is no exception.
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Real fantasy time:
Lo3W outsells every other comic for four straight months so Dan DiDio announces that it is no longer a 5 parter - it is an on-going bi-weekly series. Each 80 page issue will feature two stories - one from Jim Shooter and one from Geoff Johns.
From: Ancient Kingdom of Northumbria, UK | Registered: Aug 2007
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quote:Originally posted by Set: The combined Legion of 3 Worlds die horribly ripped into hundreds of seperate component limbs and torsos, many horribly scorched, floating around in the void of space amongst chunks of blood-ice...
...to be replaced by a quirky and poorly-drawn 'Legion' presented in nine-panel format consisting of; Kono, Invisible Kid IV (some fat middle-aged Legion HQ janitor we've never seen before who found the formula in the destroyed HQ), Comet the Super-Horse (who has gained the power to turn into a centaur and is dating Snakejectra, in an anatomically unlikely pairing), Comet Queen, Snakejectra, a Proty-possessed-Jarrth-who-merged-also-with-LeViathan-and-changes-genders-randomly, Mekt's never-before-seen and continuity-wrecking 'long-lost twin sister' Maddy Ranzz and a time-displaced Geo-Force, led by Brainiac Six Point Seven-Two-Eight-Three-Bleem, a Coluan-brain that resides in the upgraded braincase of Ze Brain.
It is cancelled after six issues, and Dan Didio says that the poor sales 'prove' that the time for the Legion of Super-Heroes is done, that it was an old dog, and it's time had come to be put down. He also blames the fans for not giving it a chance, and suggests that we weren't loyal enough to the Legion to make the book work.
Hey, I kind of like the idea! 9 Panels indeed!
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I'm very leery of any merged Legion, simply because DC is so bad at it. It would take a true Gaiman/Moor-level master to pull it off, and as much as I like Johns, I'm not sure he's upto it.
If we had to have a merge, I'd favor a "soft merge," in which we are thrown into al already-merged Legion and have to figure out what happened (just as COIE should have been, an extended mystery, not a wham-bam). But that doesn't feed DC's dependence on "big events."
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quote:Originally posted by Kent Shakespeare: I'm very leery of any merged Legion, simply because DC is so bad at it. It would take a true Gaiman/Moor-level master to pull it off, and as much as I like Johns, I'm not sure he's upto it.
If we had to have a merge, I'd favor a "soft merge," in which we are thrown into al already-merged Legion and have to figure out what happened (just as COIE should have been, an extended mystery, not a wham-bam). But that doesn't feed DC's dependence on "big events."
It'd be a privilege if the Legion ever got such stable handling from Geoff & Co. I won't mind if Action Legion becomes New Earth/Earth-1's future, and everything else a temporal anomaly... though that certainly isn't the case. Batman may've said it best: "The future's always changing." ...and that could be a vital nudge at the salad-tossing by the end of Lo3W.
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Unfortunately, the Legion is no exception.
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And it looks like the idea of a continuity merge's catching on too... though in a post-COIE friendly direction.
quote:Originally posted by Triplicate Kid:
quote:Originally posted by Superboy: The ZH Legion? You could say it was an all new Legion...but you could also say it was an attempt to chronicle a Pre-Superboy era of the original Legion(with just enough twists thrown into to call it all new)...which existed as a retcon in the original continuity, but never an actual published era.
The Threeboot? Same thing, only intead of starting from scratch, he tried to start it as the original Legion was started, with an unchronicled early era, in progress...but still, the Pre-Superboy era.
Supergirl? He was trying to chronicle the retcon era of the original Legon when Supergirl was a member before Superboy.
Yeah he's tweaked a few things...but basically what he's done...is attempted to write all these Superboyless eras that were retconned into the origional Legion.
These things worked great as retcons, they are wonderfully inventive, and added so much mystique to the original...but they were never published eras originally...and there was a reason for that...becuase Mort Weisenger didn't think it would sell...and Waid has pretty much proven Mort was right. Trancending eras and audiences in the process.
I don't think I've ever looked at it quite that way before. When I once said I liked the idea (inspired by the threeboot) of a Legion who didn't start out as superheroes, I subsequently realized that the chronicling of their story would have to start not with the founding of the team but just before they begin real heroics. Not all segments of a fictional history are equally interesting.
All the more reason for the Legion's 'Clubhouse' stories in the '60s to be situated as the unofficial training phase. I like it. By Reboot, most of the core Legionnaires they met during the Clubhouse year were drafted, so Kid Q stood out as the arrogant outsider. To give you guys a sense of which point does the Swan/Shooter range in such a merged continuity (since Supes' had no definite line to separate E-2 stories from the Silver Age ones), James Cullen's induction by Xanthu, and not Star Boy, is a big hint of the manslaughter of Kenz Nuhor.
Kal-El, aka Super(boy), can still be in play in this combined continuity - during the Clubhouse phase. Perhaps one of his trips to the 31st century'd be his last in a long while, as timespace barriers caused the Legion to be amnesiac of his presence in their time. If he'd just appear in Shooter's current reimagining of the Cockrum line, that'd tightly seal an imminent potential for a merged Legion timeline.
-------------------- "For some reason I can't explain or understand, and probably never will... EVERYTHING comes from SUPERMAN." - Alexander Luthor, Jr.
Unfortunately, the Legion is no exception.
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... Well, you could scrap that. However, do I believe the Johns/Frank, Action Legion will have an ongoing after this? Long-term, multi-plot potential? I guess they're in one of those miniseries we have heard. If they do get the big fish, expect the group going through yet another redesign, some more physical than others.
I except a good premise for Threeboot, maybe a revelation by the Time Trapper that heshe took everything impetuous from each Legionnaire and molded to make that alternate reality. All in all , this might not be a Crisis of Infinite Legions, but if it was pulled off nicely, I concur.
I'm still supporting the notion that Reboot was made out of modernized, reimagined concepts of the gap between the Clubhouse years and the big Bates/Cockrum boost. But with a little extra fuzzy-wuzzies in the form of Monstress, Shikari, Gates, etc. After all, they are the Legion of Earth-247, or maybe their existence is now beyond interdimensional reason. So this 'boot' has links to the classic Legion by being a representation of an earlier period of the original, while Threeboot is initially along the lines of a snowglobe turned upside-down.
-------------------- "For some reason I can't explain or understand, and probably never will... EVERYTHING comes from SUPERMAN." - Alexander Luthor, Jr.
Unfortunately, the Legion is no exception.
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quote:Originally posted by Set: Comet the Super-Horse[/b] (who has gained the power to turn into a centaur and is dating Snakejectra, in an anatomically unlikely pairing)
You owe me a new keyboard for the coke I just spit all over mine That was hilarious for some reason.
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I've prepared some explanations (and retcons, of course) for the character/development transitions in the hypothetical single continuity, but feel free to make up some. The status of the various Supers for such a continuity are also for discussion btw.
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That was hilarious for some reason.
