To me it seemed a little too busy, with lots of jumping around between three locations.
The Legion appears to have fallen into quite a pickle with the UP, SP, Rimborian police, etc.
Not sure what M'Rissey is up to with B5 but it seems to hold the only shred of hope for salvaging what's left of the LSH after the mess that's been created. Wonder if he's working for RJ?
A mysterious time bubble-ish thing appears right in the middle of a huge fight with the Ikkons and wisks away Trips and KK. It seems they go willingly. Odd that it would be these two...the same two that remained in the 21st century for Countdown to Final Crisis. Of course it could also have been a group of Legionnaires seeking recruits for the Lo3W battle with Prime & the LSV but why just those two and not the entire team?
Shooter continues to demonstrate enourmously creative uses for Legionnaires powers although it seems that Cham has gotten quite a power upgrade because of it this issue.
All in all I'm not sure yet if I liked or disliked this issue I'll have to read it again in a few days to see if it all fits better for me.
Posted by Vee on :
Oh! BTW, it turns out that Jan sleeps in the buff and seems rather unconcerned with nudity among strangers! Posted by Blockade Boy on :
I think that's a mischaracterization of Jan by Shooter. Jan is too young, I see him as more of a trap-door long underwear kind of Legionnaire. Posted by Triplicate Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by Vee: A mysterious time bubble-ish thing appears right in the middle of a huge fight with the Ikkons and wisks away Trips and KK. It seems they go willingly. Odd that it would be these two...the same two that remained in the 21st century for Countdown to Final Crisis.
Oh... no. This could be really bad.
Posted by Sir Tim Drake on :
quote:Originally posted by Triplicate Kid:
quote:Originally posted by Vee: A mysterious time bubble-ish thing appears right in the middle of a huge fight with the Ikkons and wisks away Trips and KK. It seems they go willingly. Odd that it would be these two...the same two that remained in the 21st century for Countdown to Final Crisis.
Oh... no. This could be really bad.
Blaargh. I didn't think of that.
By the way, before someone beats me to it: The code ENB-31-87 refers to E. Nelson Bridwell, who was born in 1931 and died in 1987. And Stuhldreher, Miller, Crowley and Layden were four famous Notre Dame football players of the 1920s, who were collectively known as the Four Horsemen.
Posted by Jerry on :
Yikes. I went to my local CBS today to pick up some books for the week and totally forgot that the Legion came out today. The shop I stopped at is notorious for under ordering. They didn't have any on the shelf. I just signed on here and realized that it came out today. I called another store and asked if they would still have a copy if I come in around noon tomorrow. The owner laughed and said, "I don't see why not. I've haven't sold out on the Legion in over five years". Ouch.
Waid established early in the 3boot that this Jan likes to be naked.
[ July 03, 2008, 08:29 PM: Message edited by: Jerry ]
Posted by Gaseous Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Sir Tim Drake:
By the way, before someone beats me to it: The code ENB-31-87 refers to E. Nelson Bridwell, who was born in 1931 and died in 1987. And Stuhldreher, Miller, Crowley and Layden were four famous Notre Dame football players of the 1920s, who were collectively known as the Four Horsemen. [/QB]
Wow! Well Done!
Should we ask just how you picked up on that so quickly? Posted by wamu2 on :
one of my favorite bits was the mini-magno-ball table being repossessed. the first time it was delivered, LL was busy taking comm calls and didn't notice. now he doesn't even notice it being taken away. Symmetry is cool.
and it looks like the LSH will finally be out of that noxious contract. but I must say, for someone that pulled the UP's butt out of the fire, they sure are getting shabby treatment.
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Great issue! Great book!
Thanks Jim and Francis!
Posted by Tamper Lad on :
I enjoyed this issue too. Lots happening, it was very crowded in terms of events and people.
Posted by Lard Lad on :
I daresay that the folks here who complain about not enough happening in Shooter's run might not have the same complaint for this issue!
Oddly, when I saw the "time bubble" or whatever scene, I first thought of Cos and those folks who recruited him from futher in the future in Waid/Kitson's last issue. I never thought it could be somehow connected to Countdown until I read this thread. I still think I may be right.
Posted by Askanipsion on :
I enjoyed this issue but it did seem a bit crammed. Things I noticed this issue:
1) Irma didn't seem herself in this issue - she seemed kinda cold
2) Dreamer!! She was mentioned on the monitor again. When will she be shown?? Hopefully next issue since they want every Legion member back at HQ.
3) Jan - yum!! he looked hot!!I hope this version stays around after L3W
4) Why was everyone so nasty to Invis Kid?? I thought everyone was being a jerk to him.
5) I don't like Shadow Lass' new costume - too retro - I like Waid's version better
6) Nice new uses of peoples' powers
Good issue for characterization but I think the actual story will be quickly forgotten - people will remember the great characterization but not the plot - nothing memorable about the actual story
Is this storyline supposed to continue till end of this year?
Posted by Vee on :
quote:Originally posted by Lard Lad: Oddly, when I saw the "time bubble" or whatever scene, I first thought of Cos and those folks who recruited him from futher in the future in Waid/Kitson's last issue. I never thought it could be somehow connected to Countdown until I read this thread. I still think I may be right.
I thought about it being the Templar Knights (or whatever they called themselves as well. And I suspect this may actually turn out to be correct. Yet the choice of Lu and Val seems odd and I couldn't help but note the similarity to Countdown.
Posted by Lad Boy on :
quote:Originally posted by Vee: I thought about it being the Templar Knights (or whatever they called themselves as well. And I suspect this may actually turn out to be correct. Yet the choice of Lu and Val seems odd and I couldn't help but note the similarity to Countdown.
That is the sort of thing that I have enjoyed about Shooter's run. There are constant thoughtful references to previous details.
Posted by Tromium on :
My guess is M’Rissey and Brainy are scheming to license the flight ring technology and make the Legion extremely rich overnight.
The time bubble – my first thought was Cos and the Templars too, but it doesn’t make sense. If it was Cosmic Boy, he would have made himself known to KK and Luornu. The guy in the bubble says “We pass this when but once ..” So, whoever they are, they’re strangers to this Legion. A Countdown connection would seem unlikely now that DC has all but swept that series under the rug – but it’s hard to believe this scene is mere coincidence.
I’d read an entire issue full of Jan’s “lucid dreams”. He doesn’t need pharmaceuticals – he’s strange enough without them. I wonder how he’s going to react when he finds out his girlfriends have disappeared? At least he has a pet to keep him company.
Unlike Jan, I *love* space pirates. The action on Velmar (Marvel!?) looks very promising. Ikilles taking down the “Legion’s mad dog” with a single punch – how’s that for proving you’re a force to be reckoned with?
Gizelle is an intergalactic class b!tch. She’d fit in better with the space pirates.
For Garth, the end of the Legion-U.P. alliance is a blessing in disguise, methinks. But he hasn’t hit rock-bottom quite yet. There’s still Saturn Girl to deal with ….
Saturn Girl has sealed her own fate. Only a few hours have gone by since she *swore* to LL not to wantonly mind-tamper and she’s already broken her promise. Pretty sure we’re looking at the beginning of the end of the Legion’s “most enduring relationship”.
Ultra Boy being guilty of “vehicular homicide” is more believable than being framed for a girlfriend’s murder.
Yeah, this issue jumped around to a lot of places, but I liked all the places it went.
Posted by MLLASH on :
quote:Originally posted by Vee: Oh! BTW, it turns out that Jan sleeps in the buff and seems rather unconcerned with nudity among strangers!
Well, this means I'll like the issue sight unseen!
Posted by Sir Tim Drake on :
quote:Originally posted by Tromium: Gizelle is an intergalactic class b!tch. She’d fit in better with the space pirates.
I don't agree. You'll remember that Giselle actually helped the Legionnaires by lying to the cops who were chasing them.
(If you thought that she was actually telling the cops the truth, then I can see why you would think that -- the artwork is slightly ambiguous as to whether the Legionnaires actually did go down the side pipe. But a few pages later, Imra mentions that the Legionnaires lost some of the cops underground.)
Posted by rouge on :
This issue was a mixed bag for me.
I liked that the plot moved along quite a bit in this issue (without the crazy alien attackers even showing up), and the parts with Jan, Tinya and Brainy getting the better of the SPs was great (gee, you don't think Brainy *memorised* all the important data do you? ).
I didn't like the continued portrayal of Timber Wolf as a total idiot. If all he does is charge in all the time without any thought at all, how the heck could he ever have pulled off any of the stealth missions he ran in the first part of the series? This sudden departure in character really stinks. I don't want an Ultra Boy with claws.
I also don't think as battle crazy as they are, any of the three in T-Wolf's crew would charge in blind.
Posted by The Man From Cargg on :
I can't believe that nobody has yet mentioned the continued downhill slide of the artwork. The legionnaire's features look sloppy and rushed. Everything is too dark. Go back and check out the debut issue #37 of Shooter/Manapul/Livesay and notice how crisp and clean and clear the artwork was there.
Something has gone wrong the last two issues... not sure what it is.
I enjoyed the story though... but I don't like Trips being taken out of action before we've seen her kick any alien butt. Shooter started off his run by having her trashed physically... on the road to recuperation and then finally recovered and now... hopefully she will reappear soon.
Posted by Set on :
I think it's telling that half of the Legionnaires that called Imra on tampering with minds have now all-but begged her to tamper with minds, *when it's convenient for them.*
First Brin, now Vi, both originally vehemently against it, now just as passionately arguing for her to muck around in other people's heads.
So far, I'm still enjoying this run, although the thought that Shooter has already gone (been driven off, whatever) kind of puts a damper on it.
Posted by Jerry on :
This issue is the perfect antidote for all the "event driven" comics out there right now. The storyline is so focused. The characters are really taking shape. Just about everyone gets some panel time. I have to disagree with The Man From Cargg on the art. Francis explained here last month what he is trying to accomplish. He is putting more of a focus on stroytelling than posing. It's working for me. The past couple of issues were not quickly drawn. Lots of detail in every panel, and lots of panels. I'm very impressed with the way he is growing as an artist.
Posted by Gaseous Lad on :
On the plus side - at least we have a cover that accurately reflects what happens inside!
Seriously - I didn't get into the book until the midpoint. Until then, I kept getting thrown off - Imra's flip-flopping, Lu's unnecessary snarkiness, the time bubble mystery, Brin's being a dick (granted, that it is his character - it nonetheless was distracting...)
Once Gizelle misdirects the SP, though, it was good, with the HQ scenes stealing the show. Especially enjoyed Tinya and Brainy's scenes.
My only other overall beef is the names. Granted LSH has a history of, shall we say, "interesting" names of characters, but this seemed like Writers 101. Ikilles? Really?
Posted by EmeraldEmpress on :
I totally agreed with The Man From Cargg. The Manapul's art it's very weak. The Shady's costume is not the 37's cover, is almost the first Giffen costume of her. And don't like this Timber Wolf with bare feet and act like a totally idiot. I only wait The legion Of Three Worlds, and erasure 14 years of bad illusions.
Posted by Pariscub on :
While I enjoyed the issue, I reread everything form the beginning of Shooter's run. it all does make sense, but it's so confusing for people who don't know the series. It's actually surprising for a series with such a lack of history and continuity.
I don't see how they could hope of attracting a new audience with this.
And please, could someone give Timber Wolf some boots!!!!!
Posted by The Man From Cargg on :
quote:Originally posted by Jerry: I have to disagree with The Man From Cargg on the art. Francis explained here last month what he is trying to accomplish. He is putting more of a focus on stroytelling than posing.
Jerry... I'm not asking for posing so much as the ability to distinguish clearly between Legionnaires... in the first pages of this issue I was having trouble figuring out whether it was IK, TW, KK or even TG doing the talking. This is the first time I've had to rely on the "Invisible Kid - Homeworld Earth" blurbs to figure things out. Everyone had the same blobby face and brown spiked hair.
This current art style is more suited to those noir-ish storylines that Bedard and Calero did.
Posted by Ricardo on :
quote:Originally posted by The Man From Cargg:
quote:Originally posted by Jerry: I have to disagree with The Man From Cargg on the art. Francis explained here last month what he is trying to accomplish. He is putting more of a focus on stroytelling than posing.
Jerry... I'm not asking for posing so much as the ability to distinguish clearly between Legionnaires... in the first pages of this issue I was having trouble figuring out whether it was IK, TW, KK or even TG doing the talking. This is the first time I've had to rely on the "Invisible Kid - Homeworld Earth" blurbs to figure things out. Everyone had the same blobby face and brown spiked hair.
This current art style is more suited to those noir-ish storylines that Bedard and Calero did.
Oh, please, Bedard was not noir-ish, he had a fill-in story that led nowhere, with lots of action and no plot. Now we have a sci-fi political book with not-so-teen adventurers. That's more like it. And, for that reason, Legion for me is a book to have really intricate and daring artwork. Even though we had our share of classic artists, I don't think there is a return to that after Giffen, Pearson, Coipel and Manapul. Sorry, but this is how I see Legion: more experimental, more storytelling, less action-driven, more characterization, more background. And that's why I despised the reboot and love Shooter's run.
Posted by Lard Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Gaseous Lad: Seriously - I didn't get into the book until the midpoint. Until then, I kept getting thrown off - Imra's flip-flopping, Lu's unnecessary snarkiness...
Actually, though I don't have the comic in front of me, I got the impression that Lu's apparent disparaging comment directed toward Lyle may have been a bubble-typo that was supposed to be spoken by either Brin or Shady. I say this because it seemed like she contradicted herself in the next line she said which supported him. I could be mis-remembering, though.
Posted by Lard Lad on :
As for Brin, I think Shooter is showing that he is getting more feral over time, possibly losing the control he showed earlier in the series. Bedard developed this somewhat, and Shooter has shown him getting increasingly more aggressive during his run.
And the bare feet ROCK, man! No feral character should wear boots, dammit! <No martial arts characters either, Val! >
Posted by Ricardo on :
quote:Originally posted by Lard Lad: As for Brin, I think Shooter is showing that he is getting more feral over time, possibly losing the control he showed earlier in the series. Bedard developed this somewhat, and Shooter has shown him getting increasingly more aggressive during his run.
And the bare feet ROCK, man! No feral character should wear boots, dammit! <No martial arts characters either, Val! >
This is not an anomaly, in fact, for Brin losing his temper and becoming more feral. TMK dealt with that and I think I remember some Levitz issues also dealing with that.
Posted by veryvery on :
again, i have to defend bedard and i think he did a bang up job with a GREAT plot (they go to find cos, but actually brainy's playing chess with them and getting supergirl to go back home, complete with excellent characterization, following up on previous storyline threads, reintroducing matter eater lad and ending on a pretty happy note)
that done, yes, someone's already mentioned that waid had jan liking naked time. i also like that he might get stoned. if you can control elements and can sober up at any point, why not?
again, nothing happened in this story, more of the same baby steps towards something but.. i dunno ho wto explain that an abundance of word bubbles and action scenes does not mean the story is moving forward.
why was giselle on that planet, btw? why wasn't she with the other UPYH people?! did i miss something? @_@ was there a team there to take care of rimbor??! oh and giselle was totally helping them out, she said "they went down this drain pipe" and the legionaires most definitely did not go down that drawn pipe. again, i thought that was pretty clear and not ambiguous at all in the art.
as for the art, i... still think it's top notch despite people's complaints. the legion hasn't gotten such a good artist on its book since coipel. i had no problem telling who was talking and what was going on. absolutely none. i don't know what to tell you.
as for dreamer being "excused: off duty"... being trapped in someone's head doesn't seem to fulfill that, i assume they're talking about dream BOY, since the rest of the UP understands that dream girl is DEAD (remember that thing where Naltor freaked out that b5 was keeping her body?).
jan liking naked time? = awesome
jo wanted for vehicular homicide? = AWESOME (...hahha he hit someone with a hover car, that must be pretty hard, right?!being up in the air.. you'd think they'd have better safety stuff in the future hahah wow. oh well, at least the IDEA is cool. i hope it turns out he picked up a car and hit someone with it.)
shrinking violet suddenly advocating SG mind wiping people after so vehemently being against it previously? = not awesome. opposite of awesome.
saturn girl using her powers in the bad way left and right, and worst leader ever (WE CAN'T DO THIS, IT'S HORRIBLE!.... WAIT OK, WE'LL DO THIS! WAIT LET ME CALL LL... I AM A DOORMAT MAYBE) = god kill me now.
cham god mode = *sobs* no, cham ;_;! though he does make great faces.
Posted by veryvery on :
ohhh one more thing. i thought it was established in the lightning saga thing that trip and kk were from action comics old people legion? and not THIS legion?! but.. god i have no idea what's going on ;_; if i were them i would have.. given someone a heads up...
don't think they're recruiting for Lo3W because that's supposed to have like.. ALL the legionnaires in it from how perez said he had to draw everyone and their mom.
so... are these the same guys that snatched cos?
and templar? can some nice person tell me who they are? if they're like.. the KNIGHTS templar?! well that might explain why they speak the way they do.
oh and everyone being mean to lyle is stupid. very stupid. especially KK who HAS NO POWERS. it just made me think that the legion is full of jerks.
Posted by Lard Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Ricardo:
quote:Originally posted by Lard Lad: As for Brin, I think Shooter is showing that he is getting more feral over time, possibly losing the control he showed earlier in the series. Bedard developed this somewhat, and Shooter has shown him getting increasingly more aggressive during his run.
And the bare feet ROCK, man! No feral character should wear boots, dammit! <No martial arts characters either, Val! >
This is not an anomaly, in fact, for Brin losing his temper and becoming more feral. TMK dealt with that and I think I remember some Levitz issues also dealing with that.
In this case Ricardo, they're contesting Brin's 3Boot characterization historically, as opposed to his classic and TMK versions. Still, as underdeveloped as Waid's characters were, I don't see Shooter's portrayal really contradicting Brin's. It's easy for me to see Waid-era Brin as simply having had more control of himself. Also, when we first met him, Brin wasn't even a Legionnaire, so as he came to know them better, he probably found them frustrating and irritating, as people tend to do when they spend too much time together, Posted by Askanipsion on :
quote:Originally posted by veryvery:
as for dreamer being "excused: off duty"... being trapped in someone's head doesn't seem to fulfill that, i assume they're talking about dream BOY, since the rest of the UP understands that dream girl is DEAD (remember that thing where Naltor freaked out that b5 was keeping her body?).
I am guessing there was a jump in time from the last writer's stories to Shooter's. I have a feeling Nura was brought back somehow during that time.
This is the 3rd time we have seen Dreamer on the screen....I don't think they mean Dream Boy. It is on purpose.
Shooter has ignored things that Waid wrote before....why not Nura? When I talked to Waid this year in Orlando, he said he was going to bring Nura back to her body eventually anyway.
I have a feeling that she foresaw her death and sent her mind/spirit out of her body at time of "death". She then returned to it.
Posted by Set on :
quote:Originally posted by Lard Lad: As for Brin, I think Shooter is showing that he is getting more feral over time, possibly losing the control he showed earlier in the series. Bedard developed this somewhat, and Shooter has shown him getting increasingly more aggressive during his run.
Yeah, this just seems to be a natural progression from what Bedard/Calero did with the arc where Timber Wolf was 'feralized.'
Posted by Owl Lad on :
Although the concept of T-Wolf predates Wolverine, the former will always have comparisons with the latter, so any avoidance of Brin being uncontrollably feral is welcome. I would much rather have the thinking man's savage or the sensitive savage as we have seen in other incarnations.
Saturn Girl wasn't the only doormat in command. Karate Kid also seemed to be easily steamrolled by Invisible Kid, no less in terms of how to lead the charge.
Along with Trip's uncharacteristic snarky comment to IK and Shrinking Violet's (yes, please return to this moniker!)contradictory approval of SG's mind tampering, I'm starting to believe somebody's tampering with some of the legionnaires' minds.
I agree with the art not looking as crisp as when this run started. Overall, I wasn't as thrilled with this ish.
With Shooter eventually off this run, are there any rumours of who might take over?
Posted by Ricardo on :
quote:Originally posted by Owl Lad: With Shooter eventually off this run, are there any rumours of who might take over?
I doubt they even know it. DC is really messed up these days and I bet it will be up to Geoff Johns to decide what to do with the LSH. My gut feeling is that they will try to incorporate it into Superman continuity somehow.
Posted by kcekada on :
quote:Originally posted by Lard Lad: I daresay that the folks here who complain about not enough happening in Shooter's run might not have the same complaint for this issue!
Is that really the complaint about Shooter's run though. My criticism is that in spite of all the stuff going on ... I rarely feel like I'm reading a story. It's more like a collection of subplots. Things do seem to be coming together now, but I'm not sure I even care any more.
Did Manpul make changes to the new costumes since we saw them on the cover way back when? Have to day that I liked the version of T.Wolf's and K.Kid's costumes better on that cover. And still don't understand why Ayla's costume was changed -- when the Kitson version was pretty much perfect.
Posted by kcekada on :
quote:
With Shooter eventually off this run, are there any rumours of who might take over?
I think Shooter's run may be the swan song for this Legion. Maybe the series or concept needs to take a break for a while. It just doesn't seem to be connecting with audiences.
Maybe a Geoff Johns Superman & the Legion title -- or even a new Superboy (Kal-El) and the Legion title with a younger version of the Action Comics adult Legion?
Posted by Gaseous Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by kcekada: Is that really the complaint about Shooter's run though. My criticism is that in spite of all the stuff going on ... I rarely feel like I'm reading a story. It's more like a collection of subplots. Things do seem to be coming together now, but I'm not sure I even care any more.
Did Manpul make changes to the new costumes since we saw them on the cover way back when? Have to day that I liked the version of T.Wolf's and K.Kid's costumes better on that cover. And still don't understand why Ayla's costume was changed -- when the Kitson version was pretty much perfect.
The costume thing is something that's been bugging me. We were told when we saw the cover preview (with all the new costumes) months ago and were told the changes would come organically in the story.
Then, when we get them a couple issues back, they just show up on the doorstep. If there is a more important story element to talk about here (possibly M'Rissey), it should have been revealed by now.
Posted by Triplicate Kid on :
quote:And still don't understand why Ayla's costume was changed -- when the Kitson version was pretty much perfect.
I thought Kitson had found a pretty much ideal Light Lass costume.
Posted by Ricardo on :
Are the costumes (and how they are introduced) really important to the plot, story and overall enjoyment of Shooter and Manapul's run? Just a question. Because one of the things I liked more about 5YG was ignoring it completely, focusing on what's UNDER the costume. Maybe I am totally wrong, but...
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
I think the costumes are going to be part of the forthcoming plot. I'm thinking since we don't know who sent them and the Legionnaires don't seem to care either, that it will come to bite them later on.
Posted by Sir Tim Drake on :
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quote:Originally posted by Phantom Girl: I think the costumes are going to be part of the forthcoming plot. I'm thinking since we don't know who sent them and the Legionnaires don't seem to care either, that it will come to bite them later on.
But we do know who sent the costumes -- it was M'rissey, right? Or am I missing something?
Posted by veryvery on :
m'rissey sent them. it was made quite plain from his conversation with querl...
Posted by Harbinger on :
quote: My criticism is that in spite of all the stuff going on ... I rarely feel like I'm reading a story. It's more like a collection of subplots. [/QB]
I hadn't thought of this but as soon as I read it I agree! There doesn't seem to be any real ending to any of the subplots they just keep a-steamrollering along. I am enjoying them but it's like snacking rather than having a decent meal; satisfying in the short term but lacking the necessary quality needed to keep up momentum in the long term.
That said the charactyers are now beginning to have individual personalities, always a good thing! The political aspects - the government doubledealing and backstabbing, LL's niaveity, B5's scheming etc are great!
Ever since there's been that new colourist the art hasn't been as crisp or energetic - in particular I dislike TW's blue costume, the brown look on the cover of 37 was better. And IK's blue and red costume was truly awful, the charcoal and white version, again on the cover of 37, was better IMO.
This is the best issue in a few but we still need a plotline (any plotline!) to actually finish!
Posted by Tromium on :
Thanks, Sir Tim Drake for assisting a directionally-challenged reader.
While Leondardi has been drawing a number of issues for Superman editor Matt Idelson, his next issues will be for DC editor Mike Marts with a two-part tale for Jim Shooter’s Legion of Super-Heroes
Leonardi had pages of both on hand, noting of Shooter, “He’s also the guy that hired me way back in the early 80s. It’s a real hoot to finally see a Shooter plot in the flesh.
Click Here For A SpoilerYou notice that Dream Girl appears [on my opening splash], and I may have clipped off a few of her toes, but that’s as cropping as much as Shooter would ever tolerate.
He taught me so much, and at the time I thought it was rigid and pedantic, but it turns out that there’s actually a very good reason for a lot of these rules.”
On the larger story plot, I dunno, but I'm "watching" it as if it were a 1930s Frank Capra movie.
Lightning Lad = Jimmy Stewart in "Mr Smith Goes to Washington." Popoff = Claude Rains. United Planets = The corrupt U.S. Congress during the Great Depression, between WW I (Dominator War) and WW II (Hitler/One Evil). Saturn Girl = Jean Arthur or Barbara Stanwyck. The Legion = The Boy Rangers
Posted by Tromium on :
I forgot to say, I suspect the mystery people in the time bubble are Booster Gold and friends trying to "fix" the timeline of the future.
Posted by Harbinger on :
I wonder if Gisselle looks different each time we see her because her metabolism adapts to each envioroment - cold and dark on Triton so white skin with prominent veins and big eyes, warmer and lighter on Earth/Rimbor so more skin colour and smaller eyes?
Posted by Chemical King on :
I still like Shooters run. Having read the newest issue, I just have to say that it was good - especially cause Shooter makes me care for these Legionnaires (something Waid never accomplished).
Yes, the world looks dark for the Legion, they want to arrest them, they hunt them down, they overwhelm them... but the Legionnaires still are standing tall. You hate seeing them in this mess, but you also love seeing them in this mess (looking forward to see how they are going to get out of it...)
Shooter really makes me care. So his writing must be good!
Posted by Askanipsion on :
WOOT!!!! I am totally excited about this! I looked over that page the first time and missed that part completely.
Thanks Tromium for pointing that out!!
It is my birthday tomorrow so that is a nice early B-day present that Dream Girl has been mentioned!
And I've always loved Rick Leonardi's art. His work on Spiderman 2099 was amazing. He will be great on LSH!
Posted by PenaltyKillah on :
The very same Leonardi which drew one of the best General Grievous ever? That's just what the LSH series needs. Can't wait.
Still waiting for Shooter to do his first big Legion team-up in 40 years. It was always a treat with the array of powers, tactics and youth recklessness...
Posted by veryvery on :
ahhhhhhhh! nooo ;__; my only dream in this life was for francis to draw dream girl!! that was all i wanted and it'll be a guest artist?! nooo ;__; i mean that other guy might be good but i was totally looking forward to a manapul Dream girl *suicide*
Posted by Tromium on :
Who's to say he won't draw her after the two-parter?
Posted by PenaltyKillah on :
Btw, the "Dreamer" on the list could be a Dreamer of either gender. Or it could just be Rol Purtha (sic?), with Nura nagging him 24/7. Heh.
Posted by doublechinner on :
Well, I enjoyed the issue. Cekada's got a potentially valid point about subplots vs. story, although there are fewer "stories" perceptible in comics within single issues, these days. My experience is it only makes sense in the trade. On balance I enjoyed the additional layers of Jo's legal problems, the space pirates, the mysterious time bubble and the shutdown of the Legion. I still have some faith Shooter knows where he is going with this and it will resolve in the end. I agree with the complaint about Giselle's appearance. I would never have recognized her here without the dialogue. However, the biggest challenge to enjoying this comic is the horrible meta-mess DC and Johns have created with the Legion. Every time I think about learning more about this Element Lad or Ultra Boy, the voice in my head says "it doesn't matter, Superboy Prime's gonna rip 'em to shreds in a few weeks." Frankly, that infuriates me, and I blame Johns and DiDio for it.
Posted by PenaltyKillah on :
What do you call comics that do not have shocking hero genocides?
Regular ongoing issues. A bulk of Legion story arcs were better in plot and quality than its miniseries.
Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
After being lukewarm on Shooter, I really enjoyed the last two issues. I guess before that I was afraid he had Waid's Syndrome, going on and on with no conclusion except an anticlimax, but it seems the story is finally moving.
But if it peters out like Waid's finales, I have no problem dropping the book at this point.
Posted by DrakeB3004 on :
I still haven't read this yet. I managed to flip through it, but I find myself uninterested.
Posted by PenaltyKillah on :
Yes, especially when Shooter's got the Legion doing the same thing for months now. LL struggles on a leadership role and gives the middle finger to the authorities, B5's still a jerk, and either a third or a half of the team's actually providing the series action with their field missions. A very ardent perspective, but I don't quite remember a 7+ issue long arc that doesn't progress the Legion ahead with some full team action. Unless it really takes 7 issues for Shooter to add depth to the characters and spruce things up, I concur.
Posted by Kid Quislet on :
The last ten or eleven issues with Bedard and Shooter writing have been waaaaay more interesting and action-filled then the 30 issues under Waid. The last few issues have had quality characterization, and I think Shooter has hit his stride. I never wanted Shooter to pick up on the Waid version reboot of the Legion, but since he has I would like to see more of it (didn't think I'd ever say that a year ago!).
Posted by PenaltyKillah on :
Yes, with some tweaking and isolating on half of the Legion's current continuity. If that makes the pulses of old-time readers a bit more regular when reading what they call a blasphemy, I'm all for it. But, as I said, Waid laid some good groundwork for potential character development. It's up to Jim if he should build on or just ignore (and revamp). Strangely, it still seems early to make that judgement.
Posted by MLLASH on :
Read it at last, last night. Commenting from memory only:
What a dense read. No one can say Shooter doesn't give the money's worth, his LSH is NOT one of those "sail through in 5 minutes" comics.
Brainy's acting job was hilarious, I loved it. "Sizzling satellites!" indeed. Cute. Very cute.
I am now obsessed with knowing more about the batwitch.
Why the HELL has Giselle changed from a somewhat bizarre but not TOO bizarre alien into a normal earth-looking human? WTF?
All in all, good stuff, but Shooter needs to start resolving some stuff soon. In hindsight, a 16-issue arc may have been a mistake coming off Waid's crippled-snail pacing.
Posted by MLLASH on :
Additional comments after rereading this thread:
Jan's scenes in the HQ were lovely.
I'm glad Tinya got her comics back.
I thought the 4 figures in the Time Bubble were the Knights Templar (incl. Cos) until I read Tromium's post. Now I do believe it is Booster Gold and his amazing friends.
Posted by PenaltyKillah on :
quote:Originally posted by MLLASH: I thought the 4 figures in the Time Bubble were the Knights Templar (incl. Cos) until I read Tromium's post. Now I do believe it is Booster Gold and his amazing friends.
Everything related with time's now got to do with this "hero you've never heard before". How fitting. Personally, the Knights Tempus might as well be the real heroes of LSH, vol. 5, and you know very well why.
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I'll have to read it again in a few days to see if it all fits better for me.
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