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Posted by Novelty on :
 
I was just thinking, with the recent Titans deaths and the focus in JSA/JLA, is DC quietly trying to get rid of the post-ZH legion?

The post-ZH legion was last seen in Infinite crisis and since then, there's been no signs of them while other versions of the legion has been popping up everywhere.

Add that to the fact that current DCU characters with ties to the legion e.g. Connor, Bart, are being killed. It doesn't seem too rosy for the post-ZH legion now does it?
 

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Posted by Ultra Jorge on :
 
I agree the ZH characters seem to be getting wiped out. First it was the Justice League International and now the Titans?

I am worried that the next Crisis will get rid of the 52 Earths? Or atleast narrow them down to a handful.
 

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Posted by Lobo Gris on :
 
I belive that the postboot legion apear next year for the aniversary in the "Legions of 3 worlds" that superman mention in de crossover.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
It would really be a shame to wipe out the reboot LSH. I know there was lots of crap, but there are some true gems there also.

We're all semi-fairly well agreed when things went to crap in a crapbucket (the Emerald Vi/Team 20 story) but even after that, there were pre-DnA goodies, like the LEGIONNAIRES try-out issue, the Ze Tongue issue that followed (well, *I* thought it was funny!), the small-town LSH issue featuring Mr. Swan, the Golden-Age LEGIONNAIRES issue... that stuff was good.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
And characters like Gates and Nara Minsork don't deserve to be whited out.

I wish there was just a way to combine all the great things about all LSH eras. But I guess that's a pipe dream.
 

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Posted by Sketch Lad on :
 
Once I got over the shock of the fact that there *was* a reboot, I came to embrace it. Granted, not as much as the preboot, but I grew up with the preboot.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
While most of the storylines were pretty expendable, I agree that it would be a shame to lose such awesome characters as Sinde Pallor, Doro, and Kinetex!

I totally favor a giant re-mix Legion!

[ June 24, 2007, 05:58 PM: Message edited by: Eryk Davis Ester ]
 

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Posted by Not-So-Bad Lad on :
 
A re-mix Legion....

dear sir, it sounds like you're on to something there!

And I agree, Sketch. I loved the preeboot and started my Legion Reading with the 5YL stories and then BOOM Zero Hour....grumblegrumble....
 

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Posted by Sketch Lad on :
 
LSH# 105 was a grab bag of Legion Eras. I quite like that issue.
 

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Posted by MLLASH on :
 
LSH REMIX: LEGIONS of Super-Heroes!

Yes, yes.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
Maybe one day DC will decide to only worry about making me, Lash, Not-So-Bad Lad, and Sketchie happy, and stop worry about pissing off the tons of fans who would hate the remix Legion idea!
 

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Posted by Not-So-Bad Lad on :
 
Those tons of fans SUCK! >_<

If they stand between me and a Legion with Ferro, Tenzil, Chuck, AND Gates, then they will fall.
 

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Posted by Novelty on :
 
I was reading Marvel's Exiles the other day where they have characters from different realities in one book. I don't see why we can't have the same for the Legion...
 

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Posted by Not-So-Bad Lad on :
 

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Originally posted by Novelty:
I was reading Marvel's Exiles the other day where they have characters from different realities in one book. I don't see why we can't have the same for the Legion...

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I doubt they'd do it for the Legion _specifically_, but a DC "Exiles" equivalent would be so wild...
 

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Posted by Ultra Jorge on :
 
I didn't care for the ZH at all. But I agree with you guys that the hilight was the new characters. Wish we could see most those guys again.
 

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Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
 
Reboot had its ups and downs.

I would suggest that (1) despite the downs, it had enough ups to make it worthy of consideration, and (2) just as any particular era of LSH has its fans, Reboot-era fandom is worthy of respect, just as any other eras are (well, not Conway. ).
 

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Posted by Novelty on :
 
Well, any era has its ups and downs. The fact that pre-crisis (or something very similar to it) and threeboot is now appearing on DC's titles, but there's nothing to satisfy the reboot/post-ZH fans (whether they be of the Archie or PMS or DnA variety) currently available. In addition to that though, characters in the present day DCU with links to the reboot/post-ZH legion have been eliminated or ignored - Connor & Bart being the most obvious 2. I don't think the future is that rosy for the reboot/post-ZH legion.
 

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Posted by Tromium on :
 
I agree with Novelty, it's highly unlikely the reboot Legion will be a part of the new universe/multiverse, but it's a much wider sweep than that. Few if any Legion stories published between 1986-2004 will count for anything anymore, I'll wager.
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
I'm guessing most stories from 1958-1986, even if they do "count", will be altered to the point of being unrecognizable.
 

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Posted by Tromium on :
 
Any story about Star Boy or Wildfire already has.

EDIT: Not to mention the fact that Karate Kid's 70s adventures in the 20th century adventures are all retconned away.

[ June 25, 2007, 02:16 PM: Message edited by: Tromium ]
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
...and Jeckie is still apparently a Princess, rather than Queen...
 

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Posted by Tromium on :
 
Come to think of it, no story where the Legion met the DCU heroes other than Clark would be in continuity anymore, including the first Justice League/Society/Legion crossover in the 70s or the time(s) they teamed up with Batman. In the Lightning Saga, Bruce, Hal, Diana, Dinah, etc. obviously hadn't met any of the "kids" before.

Let's make it simple and admit the original Legion has been permanently deleted, too.
 

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Posted by Not-So-Bad Lad on :
 

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Originally posted by Tromium:
Come to think of it, no story where the Legion met the DCU heroes other than Clark would be in continuity anymore, including the first Justice League/Society/Legion crossover in the 70s or the time(s) they teamed up with Batman. In the Lightning Saga, Bruce, Hal, Diana, Dinah, etc. obviously hadn't met any of the "kids" before.

Let's make it simple and admit the original Legion has been permanently deleted, too.

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Then...what's the "Lightning Saga" Legion?
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
All the Legion's still exist somewhere! You must have hope

But I agree that there were many great things about the reboot, even if they got a few things *so* wrong, that it was distracting to the point where it was a serious problem (Sneckie--I'm looking at you). But if not for the reboot, we'd never have seen Lyle and Luornu shine like never before, Gates, Zoe, and some other great stuff.

I want the Legion we're getting in the Lightning Saga, despite any little tweaks...
 

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Posted by Not-So-Bad Lad on :
 
Forgive me, Classic Fans...but it feels sorta like we're taking a half step forward and five steps back (which is much better than I felt about the Threeboot, which I am still trying to decide if I read or not)

Alot of the postboot was rehashing older stories with a "new" twist, I'll admit, but the Lightning Saga Legion seems to just be the pre 5YL Legion with a tweaked roster(though since KK is still alive, I can hold out hope for Ferro Lad...)

And...there is now hope for a roster including Matter-Eater Lad...You know what? Forget I said anything.
 

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Posted by Ultra Jorge on :
 
The ironic part is I started liking the ZH Legion finally in the last series. While I always wanted the pre 5YL Legion back now that we have the chance to have a multiverse I hope they get a world.
 

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Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
 
I wholeheartedly support a remix idea! Now we could have Kinetix and Gates alongside Bouncing Boy and Matter-Eater Lad alongside Infectious Lass and Polar Boy alongside Computo II and Devlin O'Ryan. And they can even throw in Theena for the W/K Legion!

And Lightning Saga didn't do the original Legion justice. Here's hoping that any further issues featuring them don't go down that same path!
 

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Posted by Ultra Jorge on :
 
Well it's much easier to have a PC type Legion and add new members who are ZH members. Maybe have them join the Acadmey first or something.
 

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Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
 
I agree with that last comment Jorg. My ideal is to have the Pre-Crisis/Great Darkness Legion with some members from subsequent arcs mixed in, in a way that works. Especially Gates, Zoe, KQ, Kent Shakespeare, etc.

I've been thinking a lot lately about if there was a way the reboot could have somehow been blended in with the preboot to make it work more. There were just some unforgivable things about the reboot that made it hard to 'love', like Sneckie for instance. I found it hard to enjoy the character of Shikari when I knew she had similar powers to Dawnstar.

But threebooting, I now believe 100%, was a bad idea. So I guess I stick to my wish that we could have the Pre-Crisis Legion with some tweaks to include other characters.
 

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Posted by Reboot on :
 

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Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
But threebooting, I now believe 100%, was a bad idea.

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*ticks box on list *
 

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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
 
I've kind of wondered if you couldn't, with substantial retcons, have converted the postboot Legion into "Untold stories of the 5YG"...
 

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Posted by Reboot on :
 

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Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester:
I've kind of wondered if you couldn't, with substantial retcons, have converted the postboot Legion into "Untold stories of the 5YG"...

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Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
But threebooting, I now believe 100%, was a bad idea.

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*ticks box on list *

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Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:

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Originally posted by Cobalt Kid:
But threebooting, I now believe 100%, was a bad idea.

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*ticks box on list *

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I had such high hopes, but at the end of the day, it just didn't work. If only DC could get back to the 'real' Legion (real to me), through some method...

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Originally posted by Reboot:

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Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester:
I've kind of wondered if you couldn't, with substantial retcons, have converted the postboot Legion into "Untold stories of the 5YG"...

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If by "substantial retcons" you mean "complete rewrite", then yes.

Wait...

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Not a re-write, a "re-mix"...
 

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