We've all asked at one time or another. In what issue did Chameleon Boy first appear as a trash can (Superman v.1 Annual #4 (1961))? Or does anyone have image references of Saturn Girl's sister Jancel?
Well, instead of starting multiple threads I thought we'd have one spot to post such requests.
So the next time you are in need of a reference or just want to know something about obscure Legion history, post here. One of the many Legion archivists, maybe even Oracle Boy himself, will be glad to help.
Posted by Monkey Eater Lad on :
Hmm, I'll give this a try! I'm working on a blog entry - the Top 8 80s Comic Costumes - and I'd love to include a Legionnaire (besides 80s-tastic Supergirl). Which Legionnaire(s) had an awesomely 80s costume? I'm thinking most of the rockin' Cockrum/Grell costume changes happened in the 70s, but I'm not sure - any thoughts? Any specifically 80s Legionnaire costumes? Thanks!
So far my list includes Supergirl (Crisis era), Rachel Summers (Phoenix II), Lobo, Boom Boom (X-Factor/New Mutants era), Black Canary (Justice League International era), and Ice (JLI).
Posted by Stealth on :
Legionnaire with an Awesomely 80s Costume: Sensor Girl (first appearance LSH V. 3 # 14, which also has one of the greatest covers of all time.)
Posted by Vee on :
Polar Boy's updated costume from the start of the Baxter run should also be considered.
Posted by Monkey Eater Lad on :
Oooh both good choices! Sensor Girl - the hair! The blouse! The boxy shoulders! The attitude! Polar Boy - the collar! The Shoulder pads! The shiny WWF (or WWE?) belt!
I'll have to analyze both for their 80stastic properties...thanks Vee and Stealth.
Posted by Ultra Jorge on :
Sensor Girl for sure! I like the streamlining of Colossal Boy's costume.
Posted by doublechinner on :
Absolutely Sensor Girl. None more 80's-er.
Posted by Ultra Jorge on :
I liked Dawnstar's Magic Wars costume from the 80's. Heck I liked Ultra Boy's as well. That's it for the Magic Wars. (ok i liked Cham's hood)
Posted by Sketch Lad on :
Great idea, LL! I often need reference pics, and most of the time just an issue number, so this will come in really handy for me. I'll also be happy to help when I can.
Posted by Monkey Eater Lad on :
Thanks for the help - I decided to make it an all female list so I went with Sensor Girl and her pant suit/blouse costume.
Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
Hi, does anyone know if some of the more obscure Legion Academy students ever got names? Like the ones marked "unknown" here:
And I think there were some others, like the red girl and the flying fish things that appeared in the issue Quislet, Tellus etc. joined in. Anyone know anything about them?
[ July 18, 2007, 10:47 AM: Message edited by: Nightcrawler ]
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
quote:Originally posted by Invisible Brainiac: Hi, does anyone know if some of the more obscure Legion Academy students ever got names? Like the ones marked "unknown" here:
quote:Originally posted by Invisible Brainiac: And I think there were some others, like the red girl and the flying fish things that appeared in the issue Quislet, Tellus etc. joined in. Anyone know anything about them?
quote:Originally posted by Invisible Brainiac: Hi, does anyone know if some of the more obscure Legion Academy students ever got names? Like the ones marked "unknown" here:
Now, just in case I'm wrong about you asking this question today of all days...are you playing LEGIOPARDY, also? If not, then I apologize, and you can forget I said anything...if I'm right, then SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!
P.S. If I am right, who are you there?
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Oh! I guess that means that the answer lies here or even here - Posted by Timberwolf on :
I need a pic of Mekt Ranzz from the current Legion run a full body one if I could please.
also could I get the pic from the newest issue with Mekt pointing at Tenzil Kem.
Posted by kidflash2fan on :
any one have some good reference of the gayest cosmic boy costume ever???
Posted by Matthew E on :
You'll have to be more specific.
Posted by kidflash2fan on :
the one were he's almost naked???
Posted by Vee on :
long ago i owned a comic with this costume in it but i gave it to a friend thinking i could find it online---sadly it been harder to find then i thought
Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
quote:Originally posted by kenaustin:
quote:Originally posted by Invisible Brainiac: Hi, does anyone know if some of the more obscure Legion Academy students ever got names? Like the ones marked "unknown" here:
Now, just in case I'm wrong about you asking this question today of all days...are you playing LEGIOPARDY, also? If not, then I apologize, and you can forget I said anything...if I'm right, then SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!
P.S. If I am right, who are you there?
Aw, it wasn't cheating No rule said we couldn't ask for help
And once I found a copy of THE POSTER, I saw the answer. Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
Btw, congrats on the win, ken
And thanks for the help, Gary Posted by kidflash2fan on :
any one have a pic of Brainiac's Daughter from kingdom come???
Posted by Lightning Lad on :
Working on it unless someone beats me to it. Have to finish the LW back up before I can upload the image.
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Sorry. My scanner and I aren't on speaking terms at the moment.
Scott, can you help out Timberwolf too?
Posted by Lightning Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Nightcrawler: Sorry. My scanner and I aren't on speaking terms at the moment.
Scott, can you help out Timberwolf too?
I'll see what I can do.
Posted by Lightning Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by kidflash2fan: any one have a pic of Brainiac's Daughter from kingdom come???
Do these work?
Posted by Lightning Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Timberwolf: I need a pic of Mekt Ranzz from the current Legion run a full body one if I could please.
also could I get the pic from the newest issue with Mekt pointing at Tenzil Kem.
Let me know if you need more than these.
Posted by kidflash2fan on :
yes thank you
Posted by Gorilla Nebula on :
i would love a comprehensive visual reference for the animated LSH. including villains/substitutes. anybody up for compiling that?
Posted by Lightning Lad on :
If I ever get the time to finish screen capping the episodes and posting them to LegionPics that would be what I could provide. Just need an easier way to do them than I've had. You can see an example here for the Lightning Storm episode.
Posted by Powerboy on :
quote:Originally posted by Invisible Brainiac: Hi, does anyone know if some of the more obscure Legion Academy students ever got names? Like the ones marked "unknown" here:
The little box thing could be one of Quislet's race?
And the little gray guy must have been intended to be someone. But he probably got forgotten by the writers. He's also in the Subs picture right below the Academy picture.
And I think there were some others, like the red girl and the flying fish things that appeared in the issue Quislet, Tellus etc. joined in. Anyone know anything about them?
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
quote:Originally posted by Nightcrawler:
quote:Originally posted by Invisible Brainiac: Hi, does anyone know if some of the more obscure Legion Academy students ever got names? Like the ones marked "unknown" here:
quote:Originally posted by Invisible Brainiac: And I think there were some others, like the red girl and the flying fish things that appeared in the issue Quislet, Tellus etc. joined in. Anyone know anything about them?
And the "fish" are called and I think was the name most people wanted for red girl.
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
I believe I know all of the Uncanny Amazers, but is there a listing of them somewhere (names, powers, additions, etc.?).
Also, how about the Reboot Heroes of Lallor (did they appear more than once ever) and the full list of Workforce members (I believe the line-up changed twice).
Thanks in advance!
Posted by Lightning Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: I believe I know all of the Uncanny Amazers, but is there a listing of them somewhere (names, powers, additions, etc.?).
Try this link for the Amazers Cobie.
Posted by Lightning Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: and the full list of Workforce members (I believe the line-up changed twice).
Now, can I go back into my bronchitis induced coma?
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
You rock Scooter!
And yes, you can get back to recovering from your bronchitis induced coma! More tea with hot sauce Mr., or I'm telling Caroline!
Posted by Sketch Lad on :
Is Sid's Soy Satellite really in the books or tv show, or is it fanfic?
If it's for real, is there a reference picture?
Posted by Thriftshop Debutante on :
Let me put it this way:
It looks like whatever you think a Super Drive-In...of Space! looks like.
Posted by Latino Lad on :
In what issues did Ultra Boy have amnesia? Thanks!
Posted by Dartalon on :
Back in 1988, prior to The Wanderers series coming out, some DC Comics contained pages that had a small profile of each Wanderer. Each page contained 2 members and had a front and side pic and brief description of their abilities. I no longer have my books from that year and would greatly appreciate if someone who has could scan those 3 pages for me. Thanks ahead of time!
Posted by Lightning Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Latino Lad: In what issues did Ultra Boy have amnesia? Thanks!
It roughly took place during #273 - #282. Although I think his amnesia ended in #275 the story wasn't resolved until the end of the Reflecto storyline in #282.
Posted by Lightning Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Dartalon: Back in 1988, prior to The Wanderers series coming out, some DC Comics contained pages that had a small profile of each Wanderer. Each page contained 2 members and had a front and side pic and brief description of their abilities. I no longer have my books from that year and would greatly appreciate if someone who has could scan those 3 pages for me. Thanks ahead of time!
I've looked through what copies of 1988 DC comics I have on hand and cannot find any of these profiles. Do you have anything more specific, like titles they appeared in or dates? IIRC The Wanderers premiered in June so I would think it would be just a month or two before that.
Posted by Reboot on :
Wondering if anyone's got old copies of Previews to get (scans of?) pre-Lgs61/LSH105 solicits for LegionWiki.
Any really would help, but in particular the Legion of the Damned feature article (essentially a second, expanded solicit for LSH122, the only missing bit post-Lgs61/LSH105), LSH 0, Lgs 0, Lgs 50 and LSH 100 would help.
Posted by Dartalon on :
quote:Originally posted by Reboot: Wondering if anyone's got old copies of Previews to get (scans of?) pre-Lgs61/LSH105 solicits for LegionWiki.
Any really would help, but in particular the Legion of the Damned feature article (essentially a second, expanded solicit for LSH122, the only missing bit post-Lgs61/LSH105), LSH 0, Lgs 0, Lgs 50 and LSH 100 would help.
I have every Previews form March 1995 - October 2004 with the exception of these 16 issues August 95, Sept 95, March 99, April 99, June 01, July 01, August 01, Sept 01, Oct 01, June 03, August 03, Oct 03, Nov 03, April 04, May 04, Sep 04. I stopped picking up Previews after Oct 04. I'm not clear on what it is you wanting though.
Posted by Reboot on :
The solicit blurbs for, well, any Legion of Super-Heroes and Legionnaires issues from the zero issues to Legionnaires #61 & Legion of Super-Heroes #105, [I found a couple of online sources that meant I could fill in the solicits after that point, which was "issues on sale April 1998", so I suppose that would be the equivalent of the February 1998 Previews onwards for the purposes].
This sort of blurb:
quote:LEGIONNAIRES #66 WRITTEN BY KC CARLSON; ART BY MICHAEL COLLINS AND JOHN STOKES; COVER BY JEFF MOY AND W.C. CARANI In stores October 14. A solo espionage adventure starring Invisible Kid! Lyle goes off on his own in search of his long-lost friend, Jacques Foccart. His search leads him to a club owned by another former spy from his past: Mara Grace, also known as Charma! Invisible Kid finds himself immersed in the spy game again, as he faces Charma, who is determined to learn the secret of his invisibility! FC, 32 PG. $2.50
The four I mentioned especially (the #0s and the anniversary issues), well the #0s [on-sale Aug 1994, so probably the June 1994 Previews] would be before your first issues. Legionnaires #50 was on-sale May 1997, so probably Previews March 1997; and LSH 100 was on-sale Nov 1997, so probably Previews September 1997. Any from that range up to Previews Jan 1998 would be helpful though.
Posted by Dartalon on :
I have copies of Advanced Comics as well the pre-dates my Preview issues so i got 0 issues from them.
LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES #0 $1.95 ____A Color. Waid/McCraw/Immonen/Boyd Shipping August 16. New Format. With the timestream restored, it's back to the future for the incredible origin of the 30th century's greatest heroes. Multibillionaire R.J. Brande is looking for a way to repay the universe for his lifetime of prosperity. When Brande is targeted for assassination, three super-powered teenagers battle to save his life, inspiring the wealthy philanthropist to back the creation of a new heroic tradition —— one embodied by a Legion of Super-Heroes.
[D] LEGIONNAIRES #0 $1.50 ____A Color. McCraw/Waid/Moy/Boyd/C-Moy Shipping August 30. Standard Format. The fledgling Legion of Super-Heroes recruits its first new members and gets in way over it's head during their first official mission. While investigating the assassination attempt on their mentor, R.J. Brande, the Legionnaires fall into the hands of a new super-villain, leading to the team's first casualty.
LEGIONNAIRES #50 WRITTEN BY ROGER STERN AND TOM MCCRAW; ART BY JEFFREY MOY AND W.C. CARANI; COVER BY ADAM HUGHES DCU. The Thirtieth Century's greatest heroes face their most fearsome foe in this special fiftieth issue, which includes a cover by Adam Hughes and a bound-in poster featuring the entire Legion membership by artists Alan Davis and Mark Farmer. The extralength story, "The Bride of Mordru!" features both triumph and tragedy when a long-missing Legionnaire returns to the team in the midst of a battle that is not without casaulties. As part of his plan to rule the universe, the evil wizard Mordru has formed an alliance with the mystically powerful Emerald Eye. Unfortunately, this alliance has taken the form of a wedding between the Eye's "host," Shrinking Violet, and the sinister sorcerer himself! Can the Legionnaires crash the ceremony and save their teammate —— and the entire universe —— before the unholy union is achieved? The Ultimate battle for control of the Emerald Eye begins —— and ends —— here! For more information, see the feature article. ____FC, 48 PG. MANDO FORMAT (NOTE PRICE).....$3.95
LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES #100 WRITTEN BY TOM PEYER, PAUL LEVITZ, TOM MCCRAW, ROGER STERN, MARK FARMER, RON BOYD AND OTHERS; ART BY LEE MODER, JASON ARMSTRONG, ALAN DAVIS, WALTER SIMONSON, FARMER, RON BOYD AND OTHERS; GATEFOLD COVER BY DAVIS AND FARMER DCU. Legion Month reaches its thrilling conclusion with a triple-sized millennium-spanning celebration of the biggest team in comics! In the tempestuous conclusion of "C.O.M.P.U.T.O. the Conqueror!," the timelost members of the Legion find their way back to the 30th century, with the aid of Superboy, Impulse, Robin, Green Lantern, and the JLA's Martian Manhunter! Plus, learn the real relationship between Apparition and L.E.G.I.O.N.'s Phase, and discover the final fate of Triad! Plus, a backup story introduces the "Legion Outpost," the team's new orbiting nerve center, along with new LSH penciller Jason Armstrong (THE RAY, Spider-Man). Also, DC Publisher Paul Levitz writes his first Legion story in eight years! Illustrated by Walter Simonson, it's a story that shows the Legion investigating an intergalactic anomaly that will have significant impact on the team in coming months. All this, plus additional short stories and pin-ups by Adam Hughes, Stuart Immonen, Chris Sprouse, Dan Jurgens, Philip Moy, Louise Simonson, Dusty Abell, and many more! ____FC, 96 PG. MANDO FORMAT ..............................................$5.95
Posted by Latino Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Lightning Lad:
quote:Originally posted by Latino Lad: In what issues did Ultra Boy have amnesia? Thanks!
It roughly took place during #273 - #282. Although I think his amnesia ended in #275 the story wasn't resolved until the end of the Reflecto storyline in #282.
Thank you again, Lightning Lad. Posted by Kid Quislet on :
One of the few, glaring gaps in my Legion collection is the absence of the JLA issues the Legion appeared in back in the 70's (JLA 146 & 147??). I have not been able to track them down for many years. Can anyone confirm the issue numbers and maybe provide a picture of their covers for my search?
Thanks for all the help. I actually forgot that I originally posted to the topic link you provided, but this is the first time I've seen the actual covers. My comic book store, back in the day, never carried any Giant issues, which is why I missed these. However, I think the Crisis on Multiple Earths #4 is the route I will try first.
All this reference info was a great help!
Posted by Dain on :
Who is Rain Girl? I know a Legion reject looks like her, but when did she get a name? Has she appeared anywhere else? I saw a "Legion doll" in Rat's Nest site here: http://ratsnest.of-the-night.com/legion2.html and Rain Girl is a member of the Legion Academy (last row, left)
Posted by Lightning Lad on :
The only "appearance" of Rain Girl that I'm aware of was in the Bits of Legionnaire Business in Adventure #308 as a suggestion by Jess and Steve Weiner.
Posted by Dain on :
Thank you, LL! I'm trying to locate the issue the reject who looks like the "Rain Girl" micro appeared in - in just one panel and without a name - but have had no luck yet.
Edit: OK, this girl appeared in Adventure #301 in a few panels.
[ October 10, 2007, 12:12 AM: Message edited by: Dain ]
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Re: the link above - Most of the names are made up on the Academy members and Krypton Kid isn't from the 30th century.
Posted by Dain on :
Yes, I noticed later that "Rain Girl" was a conjectural name. Still, I wonder. In Legion wiki she's mentioned as "Spider girl". I suppose that's conjectural too, because of her red, very thick hair and the green color of her costume. She does remind me a bit of Sussa. I couldn't find the slightest evidence that she was a "proto-Sussa" though, or that her powers had anything to do with rain since she never demonstrated her powers and the suggestion for Rain Girl came in a later issue. But it was a nice little mystery. Here's a picture of this pretty applicant and, presumably, reject from Adv. #301 in case anyone else wants to see her. Thank you both for your help, guys.
[ October 10, 2007, 11:11 PM: Message edited by: Dain ]
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
She's in this smiley - Posted by Dain on :
Hey, cool! This forum has endless little, and no so little, surprises; and that shouldn't come as a surprise by now. Posted by lil'rhino on :
Who's the cute guy coming on to Chuck?
Posted by Dain on :
Heheheh. You may have something there, lil'rhino. He *does* look fond of Chuck and Chuck's expression is one of...amusement? Or something else?
Anyway, I don't think he appears anywhere else in that story and he has the name "Tiger Shark" (I think that's him) in the Legion wiki, obviously from the pattern on his chest.
Posted by Novelty on :
Hi,
Does anyone have the issue number, name (and a picture) of the energy base lifeform that the Legion was trying to recruit close to the beginning of the reboot?
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
You mean Lume? That would be Legion of Super-Heroes # 66. He appeared a second time in Legionnaires # 56.
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Posted by Faraway Lad on :
In an article on CBR, urban legends revealed 126 mentions a possible follow up to Crisis as involving a legion related group called the Corruptors.
Any one got any info on them as they seem to have passed me by?
Posted by Omni Craig on :
I don't remember anything about a "Corruptors" in LSH history, but there were the Controllers. I'm thinking somebody goofed, and they meant to say the Controllers. After all, they are very much like the Guardians, and have had a number of rouge members over the years.
IIRC, Marvel has a villain named the Corruptor.
Posted by Faraway Lad on :
thanks Craig. I wondered if they meant the Controllers.
Heres the relevant passage from CBR
I asked Jerry Ordway if he could describe the proposed series, which was going to be called Crisis of the Soul.
Jerry, being a fine gentleman, complied -
The Crisis sequel was Crisis of the Soul, and featured the Corruptors from Legion continuity, I think. It was meant to be very personal to the heroes, showing them the darkness and having them deal with it and reject it or not. The Corruptors basically quarantine the Earth and that’s all I remember off the top of my head. Paul Levitz and I plotted out the main beats, and it was all set to go, until the editor ran into resistance from the other editors who didn’t want to have to cross over with it. Then when the editors changed, I bowed out. It became Legends, but it was fairly different from what we originally planned.
Not sure if the controllers would fit this description of a group who would use corruption of the soul and embracing or rejecting of it as a weapon.
Sound more like Eclipso to me.
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Can someone post (or point me in the direction of) a quality scan of the cover to Adventure Comics 501 (which reprints an Adventure era story that has the legion vs. hitler)... I also need a good scan of Blue Ribbon Digest #35, I assume it's a wraparound cover since Colossal Boy's hand disappears to the side but I've only ever seen scans of the front cover... Thanks
[ November 02, 2007, 12:59 AM: Message edited by: Reep Daggle ]
Posted by Matthew E on :
I'm in the middle of writing a thing about Ferro Lad for Legion Abstract. But I need images from the Sun-Eater story, where he sacrifices his life. Can anyone help? Thanks in advance.
Posted by Kid Quislet on :
I stopped getting the new Supergirl title a while back. I understand a "Power Boy" appeared in it. Can someone tell me which issues he appeared in and was he the same character as Jed Rekane (sp?) of the Legion Academy or the Power Boy statue in the Adult Legion story?
Thanks!
Posted by Vee on :
quote:Originally posted by Kid Quislet: I stopped getting the new Supergirl title a while back. I understand a "Power Boy" appeared in it. Can someone tell me which issues he appeared in and was he the same character as Jed Rekane (sp?) of the Legion Academy or the Power Boy statue in the Adult Legion story?
Thanks!
KQ: This Power Boy was not Jed Rikane nor the one in the Adult Legion story. This is tha same Power Boy that appears as one of the Teen Titans during the year of "52" and that will be appearing in the Titans East one shot coming next month. In the Supergirl issues, he appears on the scene and the two start dating. However, he is obsessive and jealous and actually beats her. Of course, she ends up defeating him in the end. Not sure how he turns up in the new Titans East under Cyborg's leadership, but we'll find out more I'm sure.
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
More on the Power Boys.
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
quote:Originally posted by Reep Daggle: Can someone post (or point me in the direction of) a quality scan of the cover to Adventure Comics 501 (which reprints an Adventure era story that has the legion vs. hitler)... I also need a good scan of Blue Ribbon Digest #35, I assume it's a wraparound cover since Colossal Boy's hand disappears to the side but I've only ever seen scans of the front cover... Thanks
I'll have to find my copy of the other digest to post it.
Posted by Vee on :
In case you're interested, here's the cover of the upcoming Titans East special with Power Boy front and center. That's him with the cut out shirt, showing off his hairy chest like a male version of Power Girl.
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
quote:Originally posted by Reep Daggle: I also need a good scan of Blue Ribbon Digest #35, I assume it's a wraparound cover since Colossal Boy's hand disappears to the side but I've only ever seen scans of the front cover... Thanks
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
quote:Originally posted by Matthew E: I'm in the middle of writing a thing about Ferro Lad for Legion Abstract. But I need images from the Sun-Eater story, where he sacrifices his life. Can anyone help? Thanks in advance.
Posted by Matthew E on :
Thanks!
Posted by Kid Quislet on :
Appreciate the skinny on Power Boy.
Thanks Vee and Nightcrawler!
Posted by Reboot on :
Could someone please post a big scan (~150dpi) of the Workforcers' holograms on pg 2 of Legionnaires #69?
Posted by Matthew E on :
I've posted the abovementioned article on Ferro Lad, here. Every now and then I come up with an insight or two that I'm particularly proud of, and this is one of those times.
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
What exactly were the tax reasons that the pre-Crisis Legion of Super-Heroes couldn't have more than 25 members?
Posted by Matthew E on :
H at the excellent website The Comic Treadmill just asked me something. In this article he was going over some Silver Age Legion stories, and a guy in the comments brought up this point:
In the last panel of the Bouncing Boy story in Adventure #301, there's a guy with a brown shirt who's determined to join the Legion. He looks more than a little like Matter-Eater Lad in a different outfit. Is there any kind of consensus in Legion fandom about whether it's him or not? Or, if not M-E Lad, who he is?
I'm sure this isn't the first time this has come up.
Posted by Reboot on :
quote:Originally posted by Nightcrawler: What's the dpi on these?
Incidentally, if CMK is looking - where did Particon joining the Amazers come from?
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
quote:Originally posted by Matthew E: I'm sure this isn't the first time this has come up.
It's not. I forget where I first read it though. I'll post it, if I come across it again.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
quote:Originally posted by Matthew E: In the last panel of the Bouncing Boy story in Adventure #301, there's a guy with a brown shirt who's determined to join the Legion. He looks more than a little like Matter-Eater Lad in a different outfit. Is there any kind of consensus in Legion fandom about whether it's him or not? Or, if not M-E Lad, who he is?
I'm sure this isn't the first time this has come up.
As I recall some sources (WWitLSH maybe?) list this as Tenzil's first appearance.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
quote:Originally posted by Caliente: What exactly were the tax reasons that the pre-Crisis Legion of Super-Heroes couldn't have more than 25 members?
Basically there was some sort of (excessive) tax on any private club with more than twenty-five members. It actually brings up a lot of issues regarding freedom of association in the thirtieth-century, but they were never really explored.
Posted by Dain on :
I read somewhere there was something resembling a Wildstorm Legion. Characters from the Wildstorm universe fought super-powered youths from the future. Is this true and if it is true where did that story appear?
Posted by Matthew E on :
I recently picked up Legion: Science Police #1. I wasn't really impressed by it, and after reading it I can't really tell you what it was all about. But did Saturn Girl really quit the Legion for a while there to join the SPs? If so, when did that happen in the continuity of the main titles?
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
It happened during the Dark Circle story, which was (IIRC) issues 104-106 of the LSH title, and 63-65 of the Legionnaires title. The United Planets were forced to put Durla under quarantine and the only way Legionnaires could get down there was to visibly "quit" the Legion and make Science Police officers of themselves.
IIRC, not only Saturn Girl, but also Sensor, Invisible Kid and Gates went undercover as Science Police officers.
Posted by Vee on :
quote:Originally posted by Dain: I read somewhere there was something resembling a Wildstorm Legion. Characters from the Wildstorm universe fought super-powered youths from the future. Is this true and if it is true where did that story appear?
I've heard this as well but have never had it confirmed. Maybe someone here can do so.
Posted by Reboot on :
quote:Originally posted by Chaim Mattis Keller: IIRC, not only Saturn Girl, but also Sensor, Invisible Kid and Gates went undercover as Science Police officers.
And Gates was so traumatised by the experience, he needed to get Tenzil to eat the uniform before he could sleep.
Posted by Dain on :
quote:Originally posted by Vee:
quote:Originally posted by Dain: I read somewhere there was something resembling a Wildstorm Legion. Characters from the Wildstorm universe fought super-powered youths from the future. Is this true and if it is true where did that story appear?
I've heard this as well but have never had it confirmed. Maybe someone here can do so.
Thanks, Vee. As an AR fan I'd like to get that "appearance" too, if it's there. And what with the Wildstorm universe being a part of the 52 (as I've heard), another Legion may be there too.
Posted by Reboot on :
Scans have been posted of it on here before, but I can't find them just now.
It's a Supreme/Kid Supreme thing, from or after Alan Moore's reboot, called (google says) the League of Infinity. They're based on a spiral staircase that runs through time, so that at one point Kid Supreme sees his adult self (Supreme) at a different point.
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
You're referring to the League of Infinity (I need to post the other stories).
Ah! Thanks, guys. Yeah, I meant the Authority analogues. The League of Infinity and Moore's Supreme was great and loved that title, especially the "retro" art in many issues.
Posted by Matthew E on :
What's in LSHv4 Annual 6? I know it comes right in the middle of the White Triangle story, but is it an important part of that story? The cover suggests it's just a collection of origin stories.
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
It is. Shvaughn Erin is assigned as Legion Liaison and she decides to look up information about the team which leads into various origins.
I can only remember Kinetix & Leviathon's off the top of my head.
Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
XS, too, I believe.
It's not intrinsic to the ongonig storyline, but it does add some background for each, and also shows Shvaugn's shift from reluctant liaison to Legion supporter.
Posted by Matthew E on :
Thanks. While we're on the subject, what about Legionnaires Annual #2?
Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
that was the culmination of the White Triangle story... a must-read for that era. (and a decent story, as I recall)
The following issue (LSH, I believe... the cover shows an unhappy Rokk in front of statues of Kid Q 1 and others as I recall) follows immediately on the "surprise" ending of the annual, and a couple new plotlines diverge from that issue and the annual both.
Posted by Matthew E on :
Hmp. Thanks. I suddenly find myself in time-sensitive need of all the issues of the White Triangle story, and I'm missing those annuals as well as a few others. I wonder if the comic shops of Greater Toronto can help me...
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
quote:Originally posted by Nightcrawler: You're referring to the League of Infinity (I need to post the other stories).
I forgot we had these loaded up (thanks to Scott) -
Posted by Dain on :
Hey, great! Thanks Nightcrawler. I gotta get that (those?) issue. Posted by Nightcrawler on :
I think they only appear (to be slaughtered) in the first 5 pages of AUTHORITY #27. Miller says they are thirty super-human teenagers from the 30th Century.
Here's the MileHighComics.com scans of the first 3 pages -
(I need to buy this issue myself...I keep forgetting to look for it.)
Posted by Matthew E on :
I mentioned upthread that I was missing some issues from the White Triangle arc. Can anyone point me at any kind of online resource where I can read more about what happened? No detail too small. Thanks in advance.
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
The Legion Help File has summaries of all Legion issues through Legion Lost, that should help.
Posted by Matthew E on :
Oh, cool. I should have thought of that! Thanks.
Posted by Reboot on :
Anyone got a scan of the LSH article from Wizard #59?
Posted by Superboy-Supergirl on :
what i didnt like about the JLA-JSA-LSH (the orignal) saga was that the legion got treated by such disrespect by the writers...
Posted by Set on :
What did Imra do *before* becoming a Legionnaire? Is it ever mentioned?
Rokk - Magno-ball champion Garth - Farmer, also a pilot? (Did he ever bulls-eye womprats in his T-16?) Imra - ?
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
She was supposed to join the Science Police and was considered a gifted telepath by Titanian standards.
Posted by Seth Gaterra on :
I know this might be more of an RPG question, since the most likely answer source is the DC Heroes RPG. But how strong is inertron as compared to promethium, if that was ever established? I believe that there was a material strength statistic for inertron given in the first LSH module, but I don't have the stats for promethium in that game system (or the main rule book to interpret the numbers given).
Posted by Lightning Lad on :
Seth, I have all the RPG books but not with me. I only keep my Legion ones on my laptop. If no one else has it by then I'll look it up tonight at home.
Posted by Lightning Lad on :
Body is the ability to withstand physical damage. The benchmark set for Body (character-wise) at the highest is 28-30+. Which is described as "The body can resist a direct hit from a 100 megaton nuclear weapon." The only characters (in the 3rd edition) capable of withstanding that are the Monitor and Anti-Monitor.
Posted by Reboot on :
*pointing out that XS melted an inerton flagpole just by grabbing it and spinning around using it*
Posted by Lightning Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Reboot: Anyone got a scan of the LSH article from Wizard #59?
#59 or #159? I don't think I have #59. That would be, what, from 1995?
quote:Originally posted by Reboot: *pointing out that XS melted an inerton flagpole just by grabbing it and spinning around using it*
Well, it sure wasn't because she's a hot bomb. Posted by Reboot on :
quote:Originally posted by Lightning Lad:
quote:Originally posted by Reboot: Anyone got a scan of the LSH article from Wizard #59?
#59 or #159? I don't think I have #59. That would be, what, from 1995?
#059, from either the last week of April or the first week of May 1996. I know it was written by Matt Brady and that it was focused on the postboot Legion, but not really anything about what the article itself said or how long it was.
And... wait... YOU don't have it? I'm genuinely shocked Posted by Lightning Lad on :
Well, I was either off the Legion then or barely getting back in.
Was that the issue that had the preview of the Animated Superman show?
Posted by Reboot on :
Don't know.
Posted by Future on :
Reboot, I recall the article though no longer have it on-hand to scan. It was mostly a casual recap of postboot history: the founding up until Violet splitting the teams. I think there might have been a paragraph explaining the reason for the reboot and then general hype at the end for the 20th century adventures. Can't recall if there were any extras or sidebars. Hopefully that helped somehow (and if you already knew what it was about then ... nevermind! What's up?)
There was also a Casting Call a few months later. I recall a few of the choices, mostly 90210 & Party of Five actors. It even had casting jobs for "new Legionnaires" Magno and Sandy Infenro.
Posted by Reboot on :
Not so much "need a reference" as "curious about something" - was preboot Laurel Gand ever referred to as [having been] "Valorgirl" [pre-5YG] in the comics, or is that a fan coinage to go with the costume?
Posted by Jerry on :
I'm pretty sure she wasn't, beacuse I remember thinking it odd that the young Laurel never received a code name. The closest she got was Tiger Rose, which came later.
Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
Jerry is basicly correct.
LK was not intro'd with a codename, but the wat TMK were writing the book, not spelling everything out and filling in all gaps, that does not mean there was not one.
Posted by Luca on :
Hi
I need help I have some questions:
1- the zero hour reboot: the old legion meet the legionnaires, but they come from a different reality? a new future with young legionnaries? and the old legion?
2-the waid legion is different from the meltzer legion, or not?
main question: 3- how many legion are there? (original one, legionnaires, waid's one and the most recent legion on the jla pages that are the original one... or not?)
Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
1. Around 1992ish, readers of the preboot older LSH were introduced to the SW6 Legion, who basically appeared as if transported right out of Adventure #350 or thereabouts (just before Ferro Lad's death). Keith Giffen's intention was to make readers wonder which version was the "real" Legion, and which were the clones (Valor had found evidence of Dark Circle plans to clone the LSH, and he wondered how far along they'd gotten, even before the SW6 Legion was known of) (the name SW6 came from the Dominators who controlled Earth at the time; they claimed that they had bred this group). Giffen intended the older Legion to have been the clones, but this was never resolved in his day - instead, the End-of-an-Era explanation was that the Time Trapper had sort of splintered off the young Legion while Glorith wasn't looking and placed them in stasis.
2. Yes (I assume by Metzler you mean the Legion from JSA, JLA and Action), very.
3. "Original" itself is open to dispute: one can call everything 1958-1994 as original, or even just the 1958 Legion, or any combo in between (1958-1970ish, 1958-1980ish, 1958-1985/6, 1958-1990). I myself consider everything Preboot to be Original, and 1992-1994 to be a "two Legions" era within that framework.
Reboot and Threeboot are largely Legions unto themselves (although the Reboot LSH of JSA (prev. series) #51 doesn't quite fit, nor does the Brave& Bold Threeboot LSH quite fit the Threeboot Legion of its own series).
The recent JLA/JSA/Action/Countdown Legion is based on the Preboot Legion, but I think pretty much everyone agrees it deviates enough to be categorized off on its own.
Then there is the Silver Age-style Adult Legion, which appeared a couple years ago in Superman/Batman; a grown-up version of the 60s Legion virtually unchanged. They made a number of 1960s appearances, most notably a two-parter in Adventure (circa #354). In 1984 (LSH #300), they were revealed to be one of many alternate universe Legions, but anything goes in DCU these days. I'll bet we'l lsee them again this year.
There was also the 1989-1995ish L.E.G.I.O.N. (which I don't consider to really be Legion, but others do), a late 20th century security force for hire tangentally tied to Legionnaires or some of their ancestors/relations.
We also had alt-reality Legions: Superboy's Legion (presumably the same one used in Another Nail), the Legion of Galactic Guardians of 2099 from the Amalgam universe, the Elseworld legions from the 1994? annuals, Marvel's Imperial Guard, A cross-temporal team whose name I can't recall in Alan Moore's Supreme, a Wildstorm Legion of sorts. There have been several outright parodies as well, and probably been other alt versinos too.
Hope that helps.
Posted by Luca on :
THANKS
quote:Originally posted by Kent Shakespeare: 3. "Original" itself is open to dispute: one can call everything 1958-1994 as original, or even just the 1958 Legion, or any combo in between (1958-1970ish, 1958-1980ish, 1958-1985/6, 1958-1990). I myself consider everything Preboot to be Original, and 1992-1994 to be a "two Legions" era within that framework.
Hope that helps.
Yes I call original all the legion before the Legionnaires' comics... But clones or not clones, they had an history, orignins ecc, so who cloned them, cloned a whole life/universe... or not?
The stasis of the old legion could be ended with the Jsa-jňla legion? I haven't already read this saga... ^-^
Posted by Reboot on :
Legionnaires was both pre- and postboot... let's break it down:
Preboot/Preboot-style (1958-1994, 2006-)
Adventure Comics #247 (1958) - originally original, absolutment. Adventure Comics #247 to Crisis on Infinite Earths (1958-1985/6) - pretty much everyone calls this the "original". After this it starts to fragment a bit.
Crisis on Infinite Earths to LSH v4 #4 (1986-1990) - arguably original. Continues from the "pre-Crisis" team, but with some significant changes ("retcons"). LSH v4 #6 to LSH v4 #61 AND Legionnaires #1-18 (1990-1994) - More changes, but still continued from 1958-1990. Within this, there was a duplicate "young" team running about for a while, some of the new costumes and codenames of which were reused...
Lightning Saga/Superman & LSH (2007-present) - Billed as a continuation of the 1958-1985/6 team. Does not include the 1986-1994 material or any of the other material which wasn't billed as continuations.
Postboot/Reboot/Post-Zero Hour (1994-2004):
Zero issues, LSH v4 #62-125, Legionnaires #19-81, Legion Lost, The Legion #1-38 (1994-2004). New version of the team, not including any of the above (although it reused certain costumes and codenames - though not all - from the earlier issues of Legionnaires, there's no internal connection).
Threeboot (2004-)
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Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
Good summary, Reboot.
quote:Originally posted by Luca: Yes I call original all the legion before the Legionnaires' comics... But clones or not clones, they had an history, orignins ecc, so who cloned them, cloned a whole life/universe... or not?
The stasis of the old legion could be ended with the Jsa-jňla legion? I haven't already read this saga... ^-^
By 1992, we had the two Legion, one young Teens), one old (30s). Much of their origins took place off-camera so to speak; we only have snippets and intepretations based upon clues; only End of an Era attempts to put some sort of order on that. But End of an Era's explanation was not the creators' intent, and it was only the (or a) Time Trapper's version of events, so for the moment let's ignore it.
If one Legion was cloned, we don't know who. Valor (Mon-El) found evidence the Dark Circle was planning to clone the Legion, but didn't know if they succeeded. The Dominators implied that the young Legion was their creation (or at least their property). Later evidence suggested that the Dominators *found* the young Legion, but was not responsible for thier creation; this throws the likelihood back to the Dark Circle, who were master cloners in the first place.
The Dark Circle as cloners works regardless of whether the young or old Legion were the clones - as long as one accepts the longtime assumption that clones can be artificially aged to replicate their originals (if one takes a more realistic version, that clones are merely an artificial identical twin who will age normally from their date of creation, then the younger Legionnaires would have to be the clones).
If one posits clones, one set of Legionnaires (whether the real of fake ones) were put into suspended animation (thus they did not age) underneath Metropolis. Alternately, if the cloned Legion aged naturally from embryo to teen, then these were not suspended animation chambers but more of a Matrix-movie-like cell; the bodies were nourished while the minds were implanted with the memories of their originals.
Either way, the Legion that would become the young Legion did not experience any of the events between Adventure #352 and Legion volume 4 #19 (when the moon was destroyed, setting into motion the events that would free them), but they had the memories of the earlier Adventure era (whether or not they participated).
Thus, under the clone situation, only the pre-Shaw Lass legionnaires were cloned; not the entire universe.
The time fluctuations just before End of an Era shifted things slightly, I won't go into them unless you want me to.
The version of the Time Trapper in End of an Era claimed that both Legions were real; neither was a clone. It's hard to swollow, especially given all the other things that and other trapers claimed. If so, that suggests he either duplicated all the young Legionnaires, or created a splintered timeline of some sort; only in this interpretation of events could one speculate that an entire universe was duplicated.
I myself would suggest that the Trapper, who was claiming to have duplicated the Legion while Glorith was distracted, would/could not have created an entire universe. I would tewnd to believe it would have been far easier for him to hide the Dark Circle's cloning efforts (given that he was just coming back into existence after being annihiliated) and later take credit for them; simplicity suggests that the young Legion were the clones after all (even if Giffen intended otherwise).
But anyone else who has read those issues is free to argue an alternate interpretation.
Posted by Askanipsion on :
quote:Originally posted by Reboot:
Lightning Saga/Superman & LSH (2007-present) - Billed as a continuation of the 1958-1985/6 team. Does not include the 1986-1994 material or any of the other material which wasn't billed as continuations.
I know Dream Girl was part of the recent Lightning Saga in JLA but is she appearing in the Superman & LSH Legion stories too?
Posted by Matthew E on :
No, it was mentioned that she's offstage on Naltor during that story.
Posted by Askanipsion on :
quote:Originally posted by Matthew E: No, it was mentioned that she's offstage on Naltor during that story.
Thanks Matthew E for the info!
I was just checking out your Legion Abstract website. Great site!
I am a new Legion fan and I have now become a Dreamer/Dream Girl fan. I am trying to find a list of her appearances. I have picked up some of "The Legion" series and I really like that series especially the art. Do you know where I can find a list of all the appearances of Dreamer in that series?
I know she appeared in a bunch of "Legionnaires" issues but the art in the few that I have is sooooooooooooooooo awful.....Dreamer looks like a steriod wrestler so I am skipping those issues.
Posted by Matthew E on :
I don't know of a listing. She appeared in the Xanthu issue of Legion Worlds, and maybe once or twice in the first ten issues of The Legion, only really reappearing once the Robotica storyline got going. I know she was a big player in the 'Dream Crime' arc, and again in the 'For No Better Reason' arc that ended the series, but I'd have to go through the issues one by one to get more specific than that.
And thanks for the kind words.
Posted by kidflash2fan on :
i dint know if any one has it but a while ago online i found a anti drug cover with lyrl dox a green lantern and virl dox any one know what that is? or if they have the pic
Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
that was from the L.E.G.I.O.N. Elsewolrds annual (1994, I think).
It was an interior page spoofing the GL/GA reprint cover of the 80s (the original was actually an interior panel without GL the 1st time around).
Posted by Dartalon on :
During the 5 year later Legion run there was a list of possible codenames being put together by Jacques/Invisble Kid i believe, what issue was that in.
Thanks in advance!
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
LSH (TMK Series) # 43.
Posted by Matthew E on :
Can anyone figure out - real quick, if possible - which 5YL issue it was that had Luornu kissing Valor and, in mock-retaliation, Chuck sweeps Shady off her feet and offers to run off with her? Thanks in advance.
Posted by Lightning Lad on :
Is this the scene Matthew?
Issue #18, page 9
Posted by Matthew E on :
That's it! Thanks very much.
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
I love that scene Posted by toddschoonover on :
I'm working on a fiction story and need some background help.
Does anyone know what planet Dr. Gym'll is from?
Does anyone know Immorto/Re-Animage's real name?
Posted by Lightning Lad on :
According to the 2995 Sourcebook, Gym'll is from Jaquaa. This is the only mention I've found for his home world.
As for Re-Animage, his listing in the Legion's Who's Who says real name and planet of origin are unknown.
If you need any further help, you should post to the Legion Reference thread. That way your request will most likely be answered before it is lost with other posts.
[ March 21, 2008, 10:24 AM: Message edited by: Lightning Lad ]
Posted by toddschoonover on :
Thanks for pointing me here Lightning Lad.
Anyone have any reference on Immorto/Re-Animage either in canon or fanfic that reveals his true name? I'm working on a story with him and would like to call him something other than a codename.
Posted by toddschoonover on :
Another request, does anyone have a scan of the Brainiac 5 sleepwear that he wore in SLSH #204 when he was sleep-walking to create the Supergirl robot?
Posted by Fat Cramer on :
Here you go:
Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
One website refers to Immorto/Reanimage as "Lazarus," but more of a preferred alt codename than a real name. http://www.collectortimes.com/2005_09/License.html Other than that, I've found no other references.
Klordnyites helping Klordnyites!
It warms the spleen.
Posted by toddschoonover on :
Thanks Fat Cramer. That's exactly what I was looking for.
Thanks to you too Kent Shakespeare. That's what I used on my own for a name in the fiction that's on its way to Klordny right now.
Posted by Jerry on :
Does anyone have an image of the full wrap around Starlin cover to Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes #238?
Thanks !!
Posted by Portfolio Boy on :
Hey Legion Worlders! I'm desperately in need of a Legion reference, and hope you can help.
Here's the scenario:
If you were going to start a comics review blog, and blogger won't let you title it "Shanghalla" because you've already created and deleted a blog with that name, what would you call your blog? Keep in mind, we're looking for a name that it might be possible to register as a .com eventually, so it should work as more than merely legionreference.blogspot.com
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
WebersWorld? BrandeIndustries?
Posted by Reboot on :
"Nasshead" appears to be available Posted by Lightning Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Jerry: Does anyone have an image of the full wrap around Starlin cover to Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes #238?
Ah, perfect ! Thanks, LL. You're the best.
Posted by Lightning Lad on :
Anytime Jerry.
Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
quote:Originally posted by Portfolio Boy: Hey Legion Worlders! I'm desperately in need of a Legion reference, and hope you can help.
Here's the scenario:
If you were going to start a comics review blog, and blogger won't let you title it "Shanghalla" because you've already created and deleted a blog with that name, what would you call your blog? Keep in mind, we're looking for a name that it might be possible to register as a .com eventually, so it should work as more than merely legionreference.blogspot.com
How about...
247Zone Flight Ring Sprock!
Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
those are 3 seperate suggestions, in case it's not obvious. Posted by kidflash2fan on :
i need a aw inspireing pic of chameleon boy it can be any one of his costumes
Posted by Acid Digestion Lad on :
I know that I don't have any , However does anyone have any graet resolution pics of Imra in her bikini suit, some shots of Kal as superboy with the legion. I'm also looking out for some good Ayla pics, 3boot, reboot and pre boot. Oh! before I forget same applies to Luornu. Yes I see the irony of asking for three versions of a carggite xD!
Posted by Ultra Jorge on :
Need reference and info.
Nightwind, Lamprey and Crystal Kid all first appeared in LOSH #272? Nightwind was a Cockrum character originally right?
And originally Crystal Kid was blue?
I have LOSH # 272 but if anyone has any other pics of early versions of Nightwind, Lamprey and Crystal Kid please share.
thanks
Posted by Acid Digestion Lad on :
If anyone's got it I could use some good shots of Triplicate girl alla the three boot. Reboot Triad and Dou Damsel with that spiffy split suit that she had purple one half orange the other.
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
quote:Originally posted by Ultra Jorge: Need reference and info.
Nightwind, Lamprey and Crystal Kid all first appeared in LOSH #272? Nightwind was a Cockrum character originally right?
And originally Crystal Kid was blue?
I have LOSH # 272 but if anyone has any other pics of early versions of Nightwind, Lamprey and Crystal Kid please share.
Am I right that the SoM credited in the Wikipedia entry I found it in is our very own poster, Reboot?
Posted by MLLASH on :
Crapville, Tennessee!!! I'm having a total brain hemmorhage and need to know the name of the artist that followed Lightle on the BAXTER issues, the one that drew the WHO IS SENSOR GIRL and also had a run on the FLASH?
Posted by Pov on :
Greg Laroque?
Posted by MLLASH on :
THANK you!!!!
Posted by Pov on :
Any time. Posted by MLLASH on :
My new artist poll also thanks you! (hint to go vote) Posted by Duplicate Boy on :
Ive been getting into the Legion world alot lately, and I happen to really be interested in all their various technologies. I was just wondering if anyone could explain the Concentrator, or have images of it in use? I read it in a description once, I found it uniquely interesting, but cannot get my hands on the comics. Thanks in advance Posted by Reboot on :
quote:Originally posted by Lard Lad: Anyone have a link to a higher res version of this Phil Jimenez reboot Legion piece that I could use for wallpaper?
Am I right that the SoM credited in the Wikipedia entry I found it in is our very own poster, Reboot?
Yeah, 'twas me. I quit Wikipedia quite a while back now (based on the rate at which bot-warnings pile up on my old talk page, I'm shocked any images I uploaded are left. EDIT: Ah, inevitably, around the time you posted that, they seem to have shrunkled it and deleted the version I uploaded)
I might have a higher-res version somewhere - I've probably got the original 1024-wide version I uploaded at least - but I'll have to check. What res. are you using?
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
quote:Ive been getting into the Legion world alot lately, and I happen to really be interested in all their various technologies. I was just wondering if anyone could explain the Concentrator, or have images of it in use? I read it in a description once, I found it uniquely interesting, but cannot get my hands on the comics. Thanks in advance
It only appeared in one comic issue, Adventure # 321.
Posted by Duplicate Boy on :
Really? I have your Legion file (at least...I think you were the one that wrote it) and looked it up, it said it was in three issues, I just could not get my hands on them.
Posted by Vee on :
I think the other two issues mentioned in Chaim's Legion Reference File refer to two other times that the tale alludes to the Concentrator story but it's probably only actually shown in the Adventure issue.
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
As Vee said - it was mentioned in the other places, only shown in ADV 321.
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
quote:Originally posted by Duplicate Boy: Ive been getting into the Legion world alot lately, and I happen to really be interested in all their various technologies. I was just wondering if anyone could explain the Concentrator, or have images of it in use? I read it in a description once, I found it uniquely interesting, but cannot get my hands on the comics. Thanks in advance
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
And to be complete -
Posted by Lard Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Reboot:
quote:Originally posted by Lard Lad: Anyone have a link to a higher res version of this Phil Jimenez reboot Legion piece that I could use for wallpaper?
Am I right that the SoM credited in the Wikipedia entry I found it in is our very own poster, Reboot?
Yeah, 'twas me. I quit Wikipedia quite a while back now (based on the rate at which bot-warnings pile up on my old talk page, I'm shocked any images I uploaded are left. EDIT: Ah, inevitably, around the time you posted that, they seem to have shrunkled it and deleted the version I uploaded)
I might have a higher-res version somewhere - I've probably got the original 1024-wide version I uploaded at least - but I'll have to check. What res. are you using?
My computer's specs list 1440 by 900 pixels as its highest res quality, 'Boot. I suck at understanding techspeack, so I hope that helps! Posted by Reboot on :
It does if that's what you're using, as opposed to what you can use.
Posted by Lard Lad on :
Yeah, 'Boot, that what I'm using. Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
I guess I stand corrected, it was depicted in more than just the one issue.
Posted by Reboot on :
See also the Moy & Batista wallpapers I posted earlier in the thread.
Posted by MLLASH on :
Question: Is there a list of ALL LSH pencillers available somewhere?
If not, can someone help with a memory-jog...
Is JASON ARMSTRONG the name of the cartoony-style artist who took over with (reboot era) LSH # 100? I think it is, I always enjoyed his 'toony take.
The artist who did a couple of DnA issues post-Coipel, featuring T-Wolf vs. the Fatal 5, had a kewl kinda Mignolia-esque style? HIs name?
I am kicking my own ass for forgetting the name of the artist that took over LSH after Immonen's #0 issue... he also drew STARS and S.T.R.I.P.E?
thanks in advance.
Posted by Pov on :
1) Yes 2) Kev Walker
and
3) Lee Moder. Posted by MLLASH on :
Thanks, Povvins...
Posted by PenaltyKillah on :
Does anyone have a big, full-body shot of the Triplicate Girls together? I accept any era except the Duo Damsel/Una one. Thanks! Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Does anybody have a reference to the origin of the Legion. Im looking for the most complete and detailed telling of the original Legion. I won't be able to pick up the comic so I am actually looking for a good written version here on the internet.
Posted by Lightning Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by PenaltyKillah: Does anyone have a big, full-body shot of the Triplicate Girls together? I accept any era except the Duo Damsel/Una one. Thanks!
What about the cover to issue #3 of the current run? Full body enough?
Posted by PenaltyKillah on :
Heh, and it was staring in front of me... thanks. Judging from the cover, I'd say they're the Triplicate Clones. Not to be confused with the Triplicate Girls.
And for a complete origin of... the '60s Legion? Cockrum? '80s? Let me hash it out...
- Secrets of the Legion #1... though the art makes them look about twenty already...
- Who's Who in the Legion of Super-Heroes. Snippets of its origin and a summary of the earlier years.
- LSH #0 - If there's an universal origin for any era of the Legion, this is the closest.
[ July 15, 2008, 11:40 PM: Message edited by: PenaltyKillah ]
Posted by Not-So-Bad Lad on :
Hey, quick question: Has Mano ever had a real name? I've look in the resources I've got, and none of them list one...
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
Nope, Mano is the only name he's ever been given.
Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
...but it was really Janos Prohaska under that dark hood (the real one, not Chaykin's Blackhawk). j/k
Posted by Not-So-Bad Lad on :
Do Athramites have names? Do they have a group consciousness? I don't recall ever seeing one acting in what I would call an independent manner...
Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
I don't believe they ever had names.
I never saw it as group consciousness; I just saw them as a swarm of like-minded, similar to a sport' team's fans, political junkies or numerous others when that particular shared interest/occupation is in full swing.
Posted by Pov on :
Like Queer Eye For the Super-Guy... of SPACE! Posted by Phantom Girl on :
I am looking for a comprehensive listing and descriptions of the various races/species throughout the Legion comics. Anyone have a good source of information I can use?
Posted by Vee on :
Chaim's "Legion Help File" has a great deal of information about the Legion's universe, including planets and peoples. It also list every Legion appearance preboot & reboot through Legion Lost #12 and it's easily searchable.
I'm pretty sure there is a link to it from the drop down menu on the front page here at LW. You'll need to download it since there is no online version.
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Regretfully the Legion help file won't download on my computer and when I try it flashes the screen over and over and the only way I can get it to stop is by shutting it off. Apparently it is not compatible with Vista or some program (or lack of program) on my computer.
Anyone have any suggestions?
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
What is Princess Projectra's real name?
Posted by Matthew E on :
Original-recipe Jeckie is just 'Projectra of Orando', as far as I know. Sensor in the reboot is 'Jeka Wynzorr', and in the threeboot she's 'Princess Wilimena Morgana Daergina Annaxandra Projectra Velorya Vauxhall of Orando'. That's right, her family's named after a car.
Posted by Triplicate Kid on :
Didn't she have the last name Wind'zzor (or some varaiation thereof) originally?
Posted by Exnihil on :
Several sites on the web (including the "Legion Help File") make reference to the fact that the original Kid Quantum, the TMK "Soul of Antares" version, was taken in by a couple named Niles and Esther Cullen. Unless I've overlooked it, however, I cannot find a reference to these names, either in the comics themselves or in the 2995 Sourcebook.
Does anyone know from whence the names of James Cullen's parents originated?
Thanks in advance for any help.
Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
quote:Originally posted by Triplicate Kid: Didn't she have the last name Wind'zzor (or some varaiation thereof) originally?
I don't believe so.
Posted by Exnihil on :
quote:Several sites on the web (including the "Legion Help File") make reference to the fact that the original Kid Quantum, the TMK "Soul of Antares" version, was taken in by a couple named Niles and Esther Cullen. Unless I've overlooked it, however, I cannot find a reference to these names, either in the comics themselves or in the 2995 Sourcebook.
Does anyone know from whence the names of James Cullen's parents originated?
Thanks in advance for any help.
Nobody on this one? I know it's a toughie.
Where is a Chaim Keller, when I need one? Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
I made it up.
I made up a lot of stuff in there to fill in blanks. As long as it didn't contradict anything actually published (the exception being my re-interpretation of the Time Trapper/Pocket Universe/Superbiy thing) I felt I was allowed.
Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
I think that's valid, Chaim, but at the same time, a lot of LSH fans are detail-oriented. Maybe when time allows you can highlight/italicize your creations so as to clarify what is "canon" and what is your own masterful interpretation.
Posted by Exnihil on :
quote:Originally posted by Chaim Mattis Keller: I made it up.
I made up a lot of stuff in there to fill in blanks.
Whoa. My entire world-view is blown.
Just kidding, but thanks for 'fessing up. I've been putting together a "first appearance" index, and that one was driving me batty trying to track it down.
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
Sorry. I think I pretty much annotated everything that comes from a real issue.
You see, I didn't really set out to make a comprehensive Legion reference at first. I just wanted to write some coherent narrative that made sense of the Valor/Superboy/Glorith/Time Trapper mess - and I figured hypertext would be a great medium. Before I knew it, I had hypertext entries on half the Legion, all of the prominent villains, and a dozen worlds, and it came to be what it is now...but it stayed true to its roots of making sense of a fragmented history. Like, for example, to make sense of the fact that Kid Quantum was never really a humanoid being, but somehow a group with the powers and resources of the Legion accepted him as a Xanthusian named James Cullen. Another example is my entry on "Black Dawn", an event alluded to many times in the TMK era, but never fully described.
Of course, if some later issue were to contradict what I wrote (impossible in that case, though, as I hadn't formally published it until after Zero Hour), I would have amended my entry to fit the "correct history".
Posted by Exnihil on :
On the topic of Legion parents:
Does anyone know of an earlier reference to the names "Luc and Perla Ranzz," than a v.4 text piece?
It just strikes me as odd that the parents of two of the most core Legionnaires should go unnamed for so long. (Then again, preboot, I don't think Saturn Girl's ever were named.)
Thanks in advance for any info.
Posted by Klordny on :
According to the Cosmic Teams web page, "The names of Ayla and Garth's parents were not revealed until Who's Who #9 (5.91)."
Posted by Klordny on :
I made up a lot of stuff in there to fill in blanks. As long as it didn't contradict anything actually published (the exception being my re-interpretation of the Time Trapper/Pocket Universe/Superbiy thing) I felt I was allowed.
Which is why, despite it being a tremendously great piece of work, I can't use it. Even my memory fails from time to time, and I can't trust that something I read in your file is something I actually read in the comics.
It's an early version of what we're trying to do with the Legion Wiki, and I would have asked long ago to use what's written in there for the wiki, but I don't know where the material came from, you or the comics. And as much as it pains me to say it, your rewriting and reinterpretation of events is essentially fanfic. (I hold most of the Who's Who in the LSH to be nearly fanfic, since many of the entries were created specifically for that series and never appeared anywhere else, but the names and backstories have become accepted as canon anyway.)
And it always bugged me that you deliberately leave out the v1 reprint series, and renumbered the other series, so that (for example) the Baxter series is called v2 and the Giffen/Bierbaum series is called v3, in the face of convention. But that's just me. Posted by Klordny on :
And now for something completely different... can someone with access to The Legion #29 please scan and post the full-page splash where "young" Darkseid meets old pock-marked Darkseid, with the Legion and Darkseid's demons in the background? I think it's page 4. I bought that page from Chris Batista in San Diego and my collection is hopelessly mismanaged to the point where I can't find anything.
Posted by Fat Cramer on :
Posted by Klordny on :
Holy crap that page looks awesome even in color. I'll get mine scanned in for comparison.
The original art has no captions, I guess they were added by computer.
Thanks, Cramer!
Posted by Exnihil on :
quote:Originally posted by Klordny: According to the Cosmic Teams web page, "The names of Ayla and Garth's parents were not revealed until Who's Who #9 (5.91)."
Hmmm, I think I must have had the earliest reference then, because I can beat that by a month.
In a text piece in v.4 #17 (cover dated 4.91), there is a reference to Char Burrane Jr. being held in the "Luc and Perla Ranzz" wing of Quarantine.
Posted by Blockade Boy on :
Saw this
quote:created an alternate futuristic alphabet in which he scrawled humorous messages on signs in the background of his panels.
??? It's not refering to Interlac is it?
Posted by Klordny on :
??? It's not refering to Interlac is it?
It is now. I fixed it.
Posted by Blockade Boy on :
My concern was the word "created" but the boldface didn't show up well in yellow. Anyhow, I see you fixed that too.
Posted by Jokester on :
Has anyone got scans of the designs Jason Armstrong did for the 3boot before he was on the book? There's like a few pages of black and white pencil stuff with all notes and whatnot. I may or may not have asked this previously. The drink has made my memory fuzzy.
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
quote:Which is why, despite it being a tremendously great piece of work, I can't use it. Even my memory fails from time to time, and I can't trust that something I read in your file is something I actually read in the comics.
It's an early version of what we're trying to do with the Legion Wiki, and I would have asked long ago to use what's written in there for the wiki, but I don't know where the material came from, you or the comics. And as much as it pains me to say it, your rewriting and reinterpretation of events is essentially fanfic.
This is going to sound insane coming from someone who did the anal-retentive work of compiling the thing and attempted to reconcile occasionally contradictory stories into a coherent whole:
DUDE, IT'S ALL FICTION.
Naturally, you're welcome to use or not use whatever you want. But what context of usage are we talking about here? Are you being paid for Legion information and thereby be cheating your customers if it's not 100% accurate and sourced? Are you participating in a Legion trivia contest for cash prizes? So what if "Niles and Esther Cullen adopting the Soul of Antares as part of its disguise" isn't in the books? It does not contradict anything (is your quizmaster going to try and trick you by asking the names of Kid Quantum's adoopted parents, expecting the answer to be "unknown"?) but it makes for a cleaner, smoother (I'd say better, but that could just be my own conceit) overall story. Who can't use that?
As for the volume numbers - in retrospect, I regret that. I guess I didn't realize just how important the reprint series was to people in terms of numbering. I knew it existed, but it never contained any original material, so I didn't think people ever had that in mind if they referred to the first, second or third (or fourth, and now fifth, although the file doesn't go that far) Legion series. I sure know I didn't back then.
Posted by Acid Digestion Lad on :
So Who wants to be a pal and help me find Reflecto Pics and some Rond Vidar Green lantern images?
Posted by Klordny on :
Thanks Klordny, the results of my asking are posted up in my shiny spiffy graphics thread.
Posted by Acid Digestion Lad on :
So I hate double posting but I'm in need of a favor if anyone can help. I'm looking for pics of various versions of Time Bubbles. I've got a great idea for something, but I'm going to need some help. If anyone can help that'd be most appreciated.
Posted by Fat Cramer on :
There was also one Rond Vidar had in the postboot but I'll have to hunt around for it. I don't recall if it was an actual bubble or a machine that sent people hurtling through the timestream.
Posted by Reboot on :
quote:Originally posted by Fat Cramer: There was also one Rond Vidar had in the postboot but I'll have to hunt around for it. I don't recall if it was an actual bubble or a machine that sent people hurtling through the timestream.
Are you talking about Brainy's Time Platform? It was meant to just send people and not go itself (Lori's sabotage that time caused various problems, leading to her taking the platform itself, but it was destroyed or lost in the return of Team 30 to the 30th century. B5 made a new one later to send Kyle GL back to the present, and had yet another one on Legion World).
Posted by Fat Cramer on :
I guess that's it. I sort of remember some story with Rond and Lori using it (or discussing using it) and had thought that it was Rond's invention - and didn't look up the issue.
Posted by Matthew E on :
There's been some discussion on the CBR forums about Lightning Lad and whether he can travel at 1/3 the speed of light. Apparently it was established in some comic book or other that he can. Anybody know anything about this?
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
Don't ever recall Lightning Lad claiming super-speed.
Posted by Acid Digestion Lad on :
Yeah, same here, I don't ever remember that one at all.
Posted by Dairaioh on :
I have a few questions/references, that need to be answered. When I first heard of the Legion. I was 7. My freind kept going on about how Mon-el and Ultra-Boy were stronger than Super-boy. In fact he said that there was a fight where Mon-el acually broke 3 of Super-boy's ribs and both arms.
1. Are Mon-el and Ultra-boy stronger? 2. Did the breaking of bones happen?
He would often say that Super-boy was third strongest. Is this true?
Posted by Quislet, Esq. on :
I don't know about any broken bones. Someone else will have to answer that.
As far as I know, Mon-el and Superboy are pretty equal in the strength department. Mon-el might have a slight advantage being older.
I would put Ultra Boy third in strength only because he can only use one power at a time and I would say that invulnerability helps when it comes to super-strength.
If your friend was also 7 (or there abouts) I think he might have been confusing Ultra Boy's Ultra Strength with his Penetra-Vision. The Penetra-Vison was said to be better than Superboy's because it allowed Ultra Boy to see through lead.
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
I would say that Superboy and Mon-el are of the same physical strength, at least that is the way I have always envisioned them. Ultra Boy I rate slightly lower then the other two. Supergirl was once asked who was stronger, her or Superboy (in an Adventure comic long ago). She stated that Superboy was stronger simply because men are stronger than women. Keep in mind that this was also in the 1960's when there were greater barriers between genders as well.
In regards to Invulnerability, I would give all of the above the same rating, though Ultra Boy perhaps a bit lower.
In regards to fighting ability, I want to rate Mon-el a bit higher simply because he spent what a 1,000 years? in the Phantom zone. To my understanding this was a less than friendly place and I would supect he had more opportunities to hone his fighting skills when compared to Superboy or Ultra Boy.
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Can anyone give me some facts on the Legion of Super-villains, specifically Cosmic King.
What is the origin of Cosmic King and exactly is his power? Is it identical to Element Lads?
How about a really good picture of him as well.
Posted by He Who Wanders on :
As I recall, Cosmic King was from Venus. An accident gave him powers of transmutation, but, as Venusians considered transmutation evil, he was banished. Embittered, he joined the LSV.
He was only seen in the Adult LSV tales. He never (to my knowledge) appeared in the teen Legion stories.
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Any specifics on his accident or was this never covered? Do the Legion of Super Villains only appear in the adult Legion stories? How are we to tell which are the adult Legion stories and which are not? In a few cases its easy because they make it known, married, children, Superman, etc. are shown.
In Adventure comics #372 they introduce the Legion of Super Villains, Colossal Boy gets expelled from the Legion (this story is reprinted in hardcover archives vol. 8, page 118). So does this mean that story happened to adults? I tis getting confused.
Posted by Klordny on :
There have been many versions of the LSV. Sometimes they were adults interacting with Superman or the adult Legionnaires (like SUPERMAN #147 and ADVENTURE COMICS #354-355), sometimes they were adults interacting with the teen Legionnaires (like ADVENTURE #331), and sometimes they were younger and interacted with the younger Legion (like LSH v3 #1-5). They are all considered different versions from alternate timelines.
Hope that's clear.
And to make things more confusing for you, the LSV that we saw in ADVENTURE #372 was the first "real" appearance of the LSV in the Legion's regular timeline, even though we had seen the Adult LSV several times in the past. Cosmic King and Saturn Queen weren't LSV members in this timeline.
The young Cosmic King made his first appearance in LSH v3 #1-5. His story was never really covered in the comics, but he was given an origin story in "Who's Who" which is pretty much what He Who Wanders says. Here's his Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_King
Saturn Queen never joined the "young" LSV, but she did appear in the v4-era book and married Matter-Eater Lad (long story).
Well, I understand that they have all of these versions which were pretty much decided many years after the stories were written. Ok, so the Adventure comic #372 was the LSV with the preboot teenager Legion right?
Posted by veryvery on :
cosmic king, saturn queen, and lightning lord were also a part of a superman/batman arc called absolute power. cosmic king's powers had switched from element powers to that of cosmic boy's.
i never got why cosmic king has different powers than cosmic boy, it destroys my sense of order!
Posted by Klordny on :
quote:Ok, so the Adventure comic #372 was the LSV with the preboot teenager Legion right?
Yes, that's right. The "adult" LSV was never really mentioned again after the few Adventure issues, except for an appearance in LSH v2 #300 that showed they were from an alternate timeline.
The LSV in "mainstream" pre-Zero Hour continuity is considered to have started in Adventure #372 with the team founded by Tarik the Mute.
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Excellent thank you for the clarification. I agree with you Very Very, it does seem odd that Cosmic King's powers didn't mirror Cosmic Boy's when the character was created.
Posted by Triplicate Kid on :
Can someone please help me with when every made-up 30th century expletive was first used?
Posted by Klordny on :
Grife! What a florgin' tough job that squadgin' thing is going to be.
Posted by Exnihil on :
I want to say that while "Grife," "Nass," and "Bloody Liberty," were early v.4 additions, "Sprock" was first used by Levitz.
Certainly, "Rad Burn You," was something that Levitz-era Science Police were always saying (I always took it to mean "may you receive a painful radiation burn".)
Without looking at the issues, I'm fairly certain that "Florg" was first used in the first Shooter-penned issue of the 3-boot.
Posted by Quislet, Esq. on :
quote:Originally posted by Phantom Girl: Excellent thank you for the clarification. I agree with you Very Very, it does seem odd that Cosmic King's powers didn't mirror Cosmic Boy's when the character was created.
Don't forget that initially Cosmic Boy had "magnetic eyes". And Cosmic King transmutation power was in his eyes. So initially both their powers were "eyes that did something".
Posted by Klordny on :
The cuss word "squadge" (or "squaj") came from the creative team always mispronouncing "Espionage Squad", it kept coming out "Espionage Squadge".
Posted by kidflash2fan on :
any one have a pic of super boy in the costume with the red stripe down the center
Posted by kenaustin on :
quote:Originally posted by kidflash2fan: any one have a pic of super boy in the costume with the red stripe down the center
Is this the one you're looking for?
Posted by Reboot on :
No, he means the Alex Ross suit.
This tiny pic is the only pic of him actually wearing it in comic. There's a B&W sketch here and Triad gives the real Superboy the costume in Superboy v3 #45, but he never actually wears it in any core continuity.
Posted by kenaustin on :
Ahh, I remember it now.
Posted by Arm Fall Off Boy on :
Where is it revealed that Blockade Boy was the original clubhouse?
Also, and I hope this isn't too far off-topic,
For someone who actually wanted to try to do their own Legion Micros, where do you get the templates?
Posted by superboymddjr on :
quote:Originally posted by Arm Fall Off Boy: Where is it revealed that Blockade Boy was the original clubhouse?
Also, and I hope this isn't too far off-topic,
For someone who actually wanted to try to do their own Legion Micros, where do you get the templates?
I thought it was Fortress Lad where he was used his power to become a Fortress and lost his memory, no thanks to Mnemonic Kid...I think it was one of the Annuals (Legionnaires Annual?) cna't remmy.
Posted by superboymddjr on :
quote:Originally posted by kenaustin:
quote:Originally posted by kidflash2fan: any one have a pic of super boy in the costume with the red stripe down the center
Is this the one you're looking for?
Now where is that from? in what book? I want to see that cool costume! Nice black and red...so cool
Posted by Arm Fall Off Boy on :
Yeah you're right Supes, it was Fortress Lad, Not BB. I've just heard about it not seen it, so it was a slip of the keyboard. Does anyone know a specific annual number?
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
SECRET ORIGINS #46 (Dec 1989) was the first appearance of Arm-Fall-Off Boy, Mnemonic Kid, and Fortress Lad.
Posted by kenaustin on :
quote:Originally posted by superboymddjr:
quote:Originally posted by kenaustin:
quote:Originally posted by kidflash2fan: any one have a pic of super boy in the costume with the red stripe down the center
Is this the one you're looking for?
Now where is that from? in what book? I want to see that cool costume! Nice black and red...so cool
Its from "Legion Secret Files 3003." Superboy (Kon-El) is sparring with Karate Kid. There are a few more shots of him in the black & red suit during the scene, but to my knowledge he never wore the suit after that issue. I thought it was kinda cool looking, too.
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
I'm looking for a picture of Invisible Kid (Lyle Norg) Adventure Comics/Superboy starring the Legion of Super-Heroes version being shown using his power. I'm looking for some good quality art. Anybody suggest a issue for me or know of a good picture?
Posted by Exnihil on :
Here's quite a nice picture of Lyle from the Encyclopedia Galactica forum right here on this board (though, admittedly, he's only using his power in the sub-pics):
Some issues which spotlight Lyle's power that come to mind . . .
Adventure Comics # 307, 343, 345, 348*, and 358.
Superboy # 203.
I'm sure there are many others.
*# 348 has a nice cover shot of Lyle being partially invisible. Here's a link.
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Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Who was the first Preseident of Earth who is mentioned by name in Adventure Comics? Anyone know what issue?
Posted by kenaustin on :
It might be Kandru Boltax, from Adventure #359-#360.
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Ok, that takes us to 1967. This would be a good start for my campaign. Do we have anything sooner just out of curosity? When did they first indicate that Earth had a President? Was Kandro Boltax around for quite a while or did DC keep changing this name/position?
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
Boltax was President of Earth pretty consistently until he stole R. J. Brande's fortune and was replaced by Marte Allon. Occasionally they'd misspell it as "Kandro" or refer to him as "President Kandru" implying that's his last name (or that his culture has surnames first, like in many Oriental cultures), but it's pretty obviously the same guy.
Posted by Klordny on :
We know that Boltax had a predecessor, whose name we never found out. He was killed by Universo (in what appeared to be an accident), and then Universo (disguised as Boltax) took over the UP Presidency and outlawed the Legionnaires.
Per the timeline as established by the LSH v4 Sourcebook, here's the known list of Presidents:
* ??? ???? - Jul 2978: name unknown (assassinated in office by Universo) * Jul 2978 - Oct 2983: Kandru Boltax * Oct 2983 - Nov 2985: Marte Allon * Nov 2985 - Nov 2989: Mojai Desai * Nov 2989 - Apr 2995: Tayla Wellington (re-elected 2991; assassinated in office by Dominators) * Apr 2995 - May 2995: none * May 2995 - Jun 2995: Jacques Foccart (appointed after Earth's liberation; resigned) * Jun 2995 - Sep 2995: Troy Stewart (in office at Zero Hour)
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Not all that long ago, I recall folks discussing how Duo Damsel lost yet another life over some rat attack (or something like that). Can someone tell me what comic title and issue this was in (month and year). I thought it was either the Lightning Saga or Superman and the Legion of Super-Heroes but I have read both of those and don't recall it happening. So where did this alleged rat attack take place?
Posted by Quislet, Esq. on :
It was in Countdown (not sure of the issue number, but it was near the end)
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Ok that explains things. When I got back into comics I told myself I wanted to only buy Legion and Legion related titles. I passed on the whole crisis countdown series thing because I had just gotten back into things and thought any Legion appearance would be minimal at best. That and I haven't really put the big picture together with what has happend with Legion since about 1980. You know, in regards to different titles, the first crises (how many crisis series have there been anyway?) reboots, etc. People have tried to explain it to me but having started so late in the game its hard to understand all the rules.
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Superboy and Mon-el can fly fast enough to break the time barrier. My understanding is that it is assumed that you need to travel faster than the speed of light to accomplish this.
Were Ultra Boy or Wildfire ever shown to be capable of breaking the time barrier based on their own flight capability?
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
It's specifically stated in the Jeckie/Val wedding issue that Ultra Boy cannot break the time barrier by himself. It has something to do with his lack of ability to be invulnerable at the time he's using his super-speed.
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: It's specifically stated in the Jeckie/Val wedding issue that Ultra Boy cannot break the time barrier by himself. It has something to do with his lack of ability to be invulnerable at the time he's using his super-speed.
I didn't think of that, it makes perfect sense that he would need to be invulnerable at the same time. Thanks so much for the reply. Do you think he could fly fast enough though if he was invulnerable? Also in the DC universe do they equate teh ability to break the time barrier with flying faster than the speed of light?
Posted by Quislet, Esq. on :
Well, with The Flash (Barry Allen) it was going faster than the speed of light and adjusting your vibrations.
Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
quote:Originally posted by Phantom Girl:
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: It's specifically stated in the Jeckie/Val wedding issue that Ultra Boy cannot break the time barrier by himself. It has something to do with his lack of ability to be invulnerable at the time he's using his super-speed.
I didn't think of that, it makes perfect sense that he would need to be invulnerable at the same time. Thanks so much for the reply. Do you think he could fly fast enough though if he was invulnerable? Also in the DC universe do they equate teh ability to break the time barrier with flying faster than the speed of light?
Before 1985, it was largely a matter of being able to travel fast enough; many people seemed to do it (even Dawnstar sort-of did in DC Comics Presents 17, but this seems to have been an isolated instance).
Since 1985, it isn't just speed; Pocket-Universe Superboy could but Superman couldn't, and even the Flashes had more problems in time travelling, even with their Cosmic Treadmill.
Basically, in the mid-80s DC realized time travel was too easy, and shouldn't be as taken for granted as it had become.
It would seem odd for Jo to have that power on his own, at least in a controllable fashion. But we did see Jo time-travel twice in an involuntary (or partially voluntary) fashion: During the Reflecto saga (v.2 277-283) and in his Egyptian exile (v.4, spread out between 10 and 20).
In the first case, he survived an energy attack and was thought dead but was actually immaterial, invisible and undetectable; in a panic he thought Superboy could help and found he could propel himself back in time to him, something he could not do (or never tried) as a solid person.
In the second case, the weapon that shot him was a temporal weapon that sent him back in time 5,000 years, but deposited him on Khundia, far, far from the place he was shot (Winath). So there Jo was able to withstand time travel across space, a presumably harsher condition than time travelling without leaving the same environment (a consideration most CB writers ignore anyway).
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Ok, do the Legion comics take place in the Milky Way galaxy as a whole or do the characters travel from one galaxy to the other in their ships or with Superboy flying through space? Just from reading the comics this is not clear to me.
What is the limit in size to the DC universe (in regards to where the storylines take place. I have a map from DC games which seems to indicate that the Khundish empire, The Dominion, The Dark Circle, and UP Space are all part of the Milky Way Galaxy. Does anyone know if this is true. The map is rather poor and provides no scale in miles or light years so it is tough to get much out of it. The only thing I really get is the location of planets in comparison to one another, but again no scale.
Anyone have a good DC map? Anyone know if the above empires are all in the Milky Way?
Posted by Triplicate Kid on :
I think I've seen the map you're thinking of. I don't know if there's a better one.
The Legion is generally limited to our galaxy. Green Lanterns, whereas, range across the universe (though the writers' conception of the spatial universe makes no sense).
Posted by Superboy-Supergirl on :
I think it was said Mon-EL was stronger because he had all his weaknesses gone. He had his Serum to protect him from lead and he wasn't vunerable to Kryptonite. That's why he was "stronger".
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
quote:Originally posted by Triplicate Kid: I think I've seen the map you're thinking of. I don't know if there's a better one.
The Legion is generally limited to our galaxy. Green Lanterns, whereas, range across the universe (though the writers' conception of the spatial universe makes no sense).
Yea, I think it's time to make my own on the computer. I'll end up making a lot of my own calls as to what is where, distance between worlds, that sort of thing.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
For what it's worth, I believe the Khunds were originally described as being "from a distant galaxy", but more recent depictions have tended to move them much closer to Earth.
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Do we have a list of EVERY Legion series and mini-series somewhere? I know we have the recent compliled list offered by one of the fans, but I'm talking about a title list we could take to the store and use as a shopping guide. I'm sure there are tons of titles and spin offs people like myself are unware of and therefore don't go to that section of the comic archive files. If no such list is available I think we should have a sticky thread for such a list. This type of list would be invaluable for those who are "getting into the hobby" either for the first time or from a leave of absence. This type of list should include:
The title The month and years that it ran The issue numbers Also what "Legion" it is tied to....original, reboot, etc.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
There's the Legion Checklist over in the Encyclopedia Galactica section of this site. Currently, it's only updated to 1976, however.
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Sounds like it's really outdated, I'd expect most of the mini-series came in the 1990's as well as the 80's and 90's seeing the majority of the title changes. What can we do to update it?
Posted by Triplicate Kid on :
Does anyone know of any Legion-related pumpkin stencils?
Posted by legionboy on :
Two questions. Probably stupid but I've been searching for hours on the boards and can't find an answer, although I'm sure it's there but I am running out of stamina.
1.) TMK Legion. What does TMK stand for. I think I know all the other abbreviations but I can't figure this one out.
2.) In the Legion of Three Worlds (Lo3W--see I know some abbreviations) they refer to the 3 legions having met before. From what I understand this is in reference to something that hasn't been published. Am I correct or is there another story this refers to. The closest I could find was a story in the reboot era from LoSH #105 and Legionnaires #61-62, but I don't think that holds up with the 3-boot. (Don't have access to those issues at the moment to read and double check.)
Thank you for any help.
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
1) Tom and Mary Bierbaum & Keith Giffen - the creative team behind that era of the the Legion.
2) A later-corrected panel from Lighting Saga provided a glimpse at the never-before published story -
quote:Originally posted by andrewnolan2001: Do not, I repeat, do not look at the scan or read this message if you don't want to know.
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Attached is a scan of the original art to JSA #6 page 2 panel 1. The published version used a patch panel but the original art shows the original panel that was planned for the issue. My guess (pure speculation on my part) is that the editor thought this panel would reveal too much too soon and requested the patch panel.
The panel clearly shows that there are three versions of the Legion with one Superboy. One of the Brainiac 5's has a monkey on his shoulder and Gates apears in the panel so we know that the post-Zero Hour Legion will be recognized in DC continuity. One Lightning Lad is clearly in his silver age costume so the pre-Zero Hour Legion will be recognized as well. The Phantom Girl appears to have the WaK symbol on her costume so my guess is that the WaK Legion is the third. In other words, all three versions of the Legion not only met and were inspired by one Superboy, but all three met each other as well.
Posted by legionboy on :
That panel is awesome. I'm going to color it in photoshop! Thanks for the TMK. I just assumed it was some other era separate from the 5YL stuff. It was so obvious I couldn't see it.
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
Interesting panel. The Legionnaires look very juvenile in that image. Not even adolescent.
Posted by Klordny on :
quote: Interesting panel. The Legionnaires look very juvenile in that image. Not even adolescent.
I'm chalking that up to artistic license. You can tell by the costumes when things are supposed to happen - Silver Age Lightning Lad has his robot arm, and the reboot Brainy has Koko on his shoulder, dating those two teams. And based on how they look vs how we know they looked, one could extrapolate that the threeboot Legionnaires have been similarly artistically de-aged.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
I have a question that no one seems to be answering on the DC Boards. Can someone please tell me what happened to Aria Campbell, Gemini, or whatever name you'd like to use after the Timber Wolf miniseries?
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
Nothing. She was presumably living with Brin until he was pulled back to the 30th century during the Jamm adventure, but she was never mentioned again.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
So that means she's probably still in the 21st Century? I smell potential. Thanks for clearing that up.
Posted by andrewnolan2001 on :
quote:Originally posted by legionboy: That panel is awesome. I'm going to color it in photoshop!
Can you post the color version here? That would be most appreciated!
Posted by Ricardo on :
quote:Originally posted by legionboy: That panel is awesome. I'm going to color it in photoshop! Thanks for the TMK. I just assumed it was some other era separate from the 5YL stuff. It was so obvious I couldn't see it.
Well, I usually differentiate 5YG/5YL from TMK because TMK considers just Legion of Super-Heroes v4 #1 to #38 (or #39). Whatever came after that is technically still 5YL, but hardly on the same level of TMK's era. In fact, I think it's almost a retcon, since characters suddenly became two-dimentional and dumb.
Posted by Arm Fall Off Boy on :
As someone who missed Legion Lost, and The Legion, I have a couple of questions.
1. What would you guys recommend I go back and try to collect? Either one? Neither?
2. I read something on a board about Mekt/ Lightning Lord reforming--when did this happen? Thanks!
Posted by Matthew E on :
1. Everything DnA wrote for the Legion, beginning with the 'Legion of the Damned' arc in LSHv4 and Legionnaires, including Legion Lost and Legion Worlds and The Legion at least up until... what... maybe around #15 or so. It's still good after that, but on a lower level. DnA's last two issues (#31 and #32?) also give some nice closure to their run. The five issues of The Legion after that were fill-ins, but very good fill-ins; the four-issue Gail Simone arc that ended that series is one of my favourite Legion stories.
2. He reformed several times, actually: in the Five Years Later era he was at peace with himself and living happily with his boyfriend on Winath. In the reboot he reformed and also moved back to Winath, but was still a bit unstable. Never crossed back over the line, though. And in the animated series he quit Imperiex's service to save Ayla's life, and then turned himself in to the cops.
Posted by Fat Cramer on :
Legion Lost is certainly worth checking out. Coipel's art took some getting used to for me, but every time I return to it, I like it better. The story was very dramatic, very sci fi and had lots of character development. Bad things happen to Element Lad and Saturn Girl (just warning you, if you want these characters to be inviolate). The Legion continued from Legion Lost; I'd agree with Matthew that the first half of the run was the best. IIRC, DnA were also cut off before they could complete their planned run, so things got a bit choppy and a lot of sub-plots were dangling or not well resolved. The Dream Crime arc was interesting for those who follow Saturn Girl's ups and downs, although it wasn't one of the better stories, IMO - but beautiful art from Chris Batista. There was also a Giffen one-shot issue that didn't go over too well with the fans for its portrayal of Chuck Taine.
BTW, Legion Worlds (6 issues) was also from the period during Legion Lost, covering events on Earth, Winath, Braal, Xanthu, Steeple and Rimbor - what some of the legionnaires were doing while the others were lost.
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Not quite so much a Legion referance but more of a comics in general. Does anyone know what term writers use for the boxed text in comics? I'm not speaking of the character dialogue but rather the out of character information the writer provides. I'm guessing comic producers have term for it.
Posted by Matthew E on :
I think they're just called captions.
Posted by Glindros on :
Long time legion fan with a question. Pre-Crisis Phantom girl said her belt was a gift from her mother, and it helped her get back to Bzgtl (sp?) but I can't find the reference. A picture of the scene would be great too.
Posted by Matthew E on :
I can't get at it right now, but that sounds like it was from the last issue of the Reflecto arc. Would have been around LSH v2 #280 or thereabouts.
Posted by stuorstew on :
quote:Originally posted by Matthew E: I can't get at it right now, but that sounds like it was from the last issue of the Reflecto arc. Would have been around LSH v2 #280 or thereabouts.
Hope it is alright to add on to your answer?
The issue was #281
Posted by Matthew E on :
Wow. I was closer than I thought I'd be. Thanks.
Posted by Quislet, Esq. on :
quote:Originally posted by stuorstew:
quote:Originally posted by Matthew E: I can't get at it right now, but that sounds like it was from the last issue of the Reflecto arc. Would have been around LSH v2 #280 or thereabouts.
Hope it is alright to add on to your answer?
The issue was #281
Not only is it alright, but it is very nice of you to do so. As you can see Matthew had a general idea of what issue (albeit only off by one issue) You merely pinpointed the issue.
BTW welcome to Legion World.
Posted by stuorstew on :
Thank you very much, happy to help out
Posted by Arm Fall Off Boy on :
Thanks to everyone who answered about what is worth collecting. I was actually looking for something to collect in the downtime between Legion versions. I know I have at least half of Vol. 4, I just quit somewhere along the way.
Posted by Glindros on :
Thanks for the answer guys. I remember the #280's rather fondly.
Posted by Kid Quislet on :
Hello everyone!
I need a quick reference on the Superboy issue where Ultra Boy first appeared.
I have it in my Legion Archive #1, but it doesn't show the cover, nor does it list the Issue # of Superboy or the Issue Date (month/year). Archive #1 is unfortunate in that it doesn't list the original release issues and dates like the following archives do!
If anybody has that handy, I'd appreciate the help!
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Legion Archives #2 contained a sticker with the list of issue numbers, etc. for Archives #1.
Posted by Kid Quislet on :
Wow - talk about a quick response!
And I did not know about the listing in Archive #2 - I'll have to check mine when I get home.
BTW, Nightcrawler, when are you gonna break down and finally run for Congress? We need some movers and shakers like you immediately!
Thanks!
Posted by Ricardo on :
quote:Originally posted by Nightcrawler: Legion Archives #2 contained a sticker with the list of issue numbers, etc. for Archives #1.
Actually, my Legion Archive #1 is complete - it seems they corrected it at least by the fourth printing.
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Hmmm...maybe I should track down a newer copy. My original is getting worn out anyway.
Posted by l.e.g.i.o.n.JOHN on :
hey quick question, i'm working on a Persuader pic and i breifly remember in the baxter Legion series he and the Empress had reformed the Fatal 5 with Mentalla,Flare and Caresse, and correct me if i'm wrong but on one page it looked like the he and the Empress might've been involved. i'm thinking of drawing that pic with the two but i just wanted to know for the sake of it if those two were lovers.
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
I believe he was in love with her but it was unrequited, she had some affection for him as a trusted subordinate, but never saw him as worthy of romance. I don't think it was ever stated explicitly, merely that Levitz meant to subtly give off that vibe (as he clearly did).
Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
I'll ditto Chaim. That is my recollection as well.
Sarya brushed him off, as I recall.
Posted by cleome on :
Okay, I've looked in all the obvious locales online, but I'm still coming up blank:
Anyone know the name of Imra's folks, or other info about 'em ?
Thanks.
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
Unnamed pre-ZH.
Post-ZH, Sydne and Borter are her mother and father, respectively.
Unnamed three-boot.
Posted by cleome on :
Thanks, CMK ! Posted by Matthew E on :
Don't forget her sister in the reboot. Jancel? And her mother had a name in the threeboot, I think, although I can't call it to mind.
Posted by cleome on :
Oh, it's you, Mr. Abstract. I almost bought a Legion Digest today on Megalo-bay even though I'm flat broke. [shakes fist] I'll get you for that, someday. [scowl]
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
quote:Originally posted by Matthew E: Don't forget her sister in the reboot. Jancel? And her mother had a name in the threeboot, I think, although I can't call it to mind.
Sydne Ardeen is the name of 3boot Imra's mom as well.
In the pre-crisis, she had an aunt named Imra.
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
Hmm...must have missed that.
The things you overlook when you're not compiling a help file...
Posted by Klordny on :
Her parents were Sydne and Bertor, named after two Saturn Girl fans (Sidne Gail Ward and Robert Dobiesz). Her sister was Jancel (after Tom McCraw's mother Jan).
Posted by cleome on :
Thanks, Klordny ! [smile]
Oh, here's another founder-related question. I seem to recall an old Legion story where for some reason, nobody's flight rings worked-- But Cosmic Boy could still fly for some reason related to his powers.
Anyone remember if that happened, and if so, what was the reason that a person who has magnetic powers can also get airborne ?
Or is my mind just completely shot ? [grumble]
Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
In #297 or #298 (I forget which), Cos left his ring behind to fly on sheer magnetism in pursuit of the guys who killed his mom. He made a comment about it being faster, plus he was hunting them as a son, not a Legionnaire (and probably wanted neither to be tracked nor using Legion tech for what was at the time the intention to execute the bad guys).
He also started torturing said foes by tugging at the iron in their veins.
hope that helps.
Posted by cleome on :
KS, that's *exactly* the issue/story I was trying to remember. Thanks !
Posted by Rockhopper Lad on :
Here's one for which I've been trying to find an answer: Has Ultra Boy (in any version) ever manifested his powers as ultra-breath? I guess I've always assumed this was in his repertoire, but I can't remember if I've ever seen him do this.
Thanks!
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
Definitely remember him doing this. IIRC, it was LSH Annual # 2, when he and 5 others are stuck in the far past while Karate Kid and Projectra are getting married.
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
I have the opportunity to buy a few comics from the 1960's. The seller is an older gentleman with virtually no comic knowledge. He says he has these two titles:
Superman Aug 1962, issue #155 Superman Giant Annual 1962
Does anyone know if either of these comics has a Legion story in them?
He's got a few other comics as well (mixture of Marvel and DC) including Spiderman, Aquaman, Avengers, Fantastic Four, Superman, Batman, Incredible Hulk, Iron man, and so on. Any suggestions on their worth. He describes them as "not mint, but not junk". How old would some of these comics be? What year did some of these comics start? He said they are all from the 1960's.
Posted by Triplicate Kid on :
Ok, I'm reading Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes issue #226 and a couple of questions come up.
1. Why doesn't Saturn Girl wear a helmet in space like the other Legionnaires? We got Lightning Lad, Sun Boy, and Star Boy wearing them. Wildfire, Dawnstar, Superboy, and Saturn Girl are not wearing one. The characters are together in the same panels and the issue is repeated in every panel. I understand why Wildfire, Dawnstar, and Superboy aren't wearing one, but why Saturn Girl? In issue #229 she is shown with a helmet. I'm assuming the arist errored in issue #226. Agree?
2. On page 4, last panel, someone (most likely Lightning Lad) says:
"Even I can't fly a computer coarse in space". I understand that LL is a good navigator, so if you simply don't just log the coarse heading into the ships computer, how do they get where they are going? How do you manually navigate? I don't get it.
3. Anyone know what planet the Resource Raiders are from as well as any racial facts about them? What is their race called? Are they telepathic? The do appear to be rather strong despite their lack of muscular builds. Input please.
4. Finally, can anyone give me a good explanation of Stargrave's powers? he kinda seems to be able to do whatever the writer wants him to do rather than having his powers defined.
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Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
1. artist errors, presumably. there were a lot of inconsistencies (in writing and art) in the 70s.
2. 70s concepts of computers were very limited (even in Star Wars - if rebels have plans to the Death Star, why not just broadcast them far and wide?). It was just one of those plot loophole details that wrirters/editors assumed would go unchecked. Again, it was the 70s - it was an acceptable plot elemet for TV shows for a generic "computer expert" to program any old computer to explode on command, even!
Audiences have become much more sophisticated since then, and not just for SF. If you've ever had the misfortune to watch the early 70s Ryan O'Neil's flick "Love Story," his gf/wife/whatever dies from a prolonged illness, but they never tell the audience what it was or anything about it! That would never fly today.
3. I don't recall a lot of detail about them, but they did turn up a few times in that era. By #240-245, we learn a little more about them, but not a lot. I don't have those issues handy right this sec.
4. That's basically it. He may have become more defined in the early 90s in L.E.G.I.O.N., but for the 70s and 80s he was rather undefined.
Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
quote:Originally posted by Rockhopper Lad: Here's one for which I've been trying to find an answer: Has Ultra Boy (in any version) ever manifested his powers as ultra-breath? I guess I've always assumed this was in his repertoire, but I can't remember if I've ever seen him do this.
Thanks!
yes. besides Chaim's example, I'm pretty sure Levitz showed this on repeated occassions.
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
quote:Originally posted by Phantom Girl: Superman Aug 1962, issue #155 Superman Giant Annual 1962
Does anyone know if either of these comics has a Legion story in them?
SUPERMAN #155 (Aug 1962) has the third appearance of the adult Legionnaires, Cosmic Man (posing as Hercules) and Lightning Man (posing as Samson)!
SUPERMAN ANNUAL #6 (1962) contains a reprint of the first Legion story (recolored) and a pin up featuring them and several other Superman Family characters on the back cover.
I have both comics and highly recommend them.
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Thanks Nightcrawler, I'll give the gentleman a call back and make the drive to go see the comics. He said they weren't in mint shape but they weren't junk either. Such was his description of what kind of shape they were in. Any suggestions on what I should pay? I know his description doesn't say much but....Last year I bought silver age comics from an antique dealer which I would say were in fair shape...I paid $3.00 each for them.
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
I've paid $3-$5 for poor condition golden/silver age comics that I've wanted in the past (they usually give you more entertainment than the comics of the same price made today).
I've also paid $10-$20 for really good condition books of that age as well.
I'd recommend checking out the other books he has while you are there. The Superman issues could potentially have a Legion appearance and check out prof's Gym'll threads to learn more about the 60's Marvel books.
Posted by Set on :
Random question (and I have no idea if this is the right thread for it...). In this Alex Ross Legion painting, who is the bikini-clad dark-haired woman underneath Cosmic Boy and above Phantom Girl?
It looks kinda like Laurel Kent's costume, maybe on Night Girl, but I have no idea... Neither of them would be Legionnaires contemporary with Tyroc (well, Laurel was never a Legionnaire, for that matter), as the only time Night Girl has been a Legionnaire, AFAIK, is in the Action Legion with Chameleon Girl, Red Tornado Wildfire and company.
Posted by He Who Wanders on :
It's Night Girl. Notice the owl motif.
True, she was not a Legionnaire at the time. Ross was apparently employing artistic license.
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
I recall a story in which cosmic boy manipulated gravity with his powers in order to simulate flying. Can anyone help me locate this story so I can read about what exact explanation he provided to accomplish this feat. I'm in the midst of writing up the Magnetic Manipulation power for my game and I want to include this effect.
Posted by Matthew E on :
I remember he flew on the Earth's magnetic field with his powers in the Spotlight on Cosmic Boy issue that was around issue #300. #298? #298 sounds right for some reason.
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
296-297 are the issues where Cos's parents and brother are killed/injured by terrorists. 298 had Blok and White Witch fighting a Khund in the Asterois Archipelago.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Can anyone describe Mandalla? Her personality?
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
I don't think she ever had a single word balloon. She appeared in the background of some Levitz-era Legion Academy scenes, and in the TMK era as an instructor for the U.P. Military Academy under Chuck and Luornu Taine.
Who's Who in the LSH gave her an entry and a back-story, but nothing else has ever fleshed her out.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Interesting. Thanks.
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Do we have a full catologue of all the characters that haved appeared in Legion (Legionnaires and villains both) along with their super-powers? Sort of a quick reference guide type of thing.
Posted by Fat Cramer on :
I don't think there's a current one. There was a Who's Who series back in the late 1980s.
There's the 2004 DC Encyclopedia here, which is based on the postboot.
We could certainly use a new Who's Who and it should include all incarnations of characters, since their powers and personalities change.
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
I found the Birthday thread for Pre-boot Legion, do we have any reference which tells us what year the character's were born, thus also be able to figure out their age in relation to one-another?
Posted by Triplicate Kid on :
Remember, the Legion originally followed a rolling timeline, like most comic series. During Five Years Later, however, a fixed timeline was introduced. Its dating is the basis for the timelines here: http://www.mykey3000.com/cosmicteams/legion/index.html?? Posted by Phantom Girl on :
I knew they kept changing the "current" year in the comics to mirror the readers change in years, I assume that what you mean by a rolling timeline. I had hoped that somewhere along the line they actually said:
Saturn Girl was born in 2976 or Lightning Lad in 2977, or something like that. I'll check out your link, hopefully its what I'm looking for.
Edit: Yes, that would be the type of information I'm looking for. It looks real impressive. Was this the effort of a fan or DC?
[ January 20, 2009, 04:57 PM: Message edited by: Phantom Girl ]
Posted by Fat Cramer on :
There was no 3boot map and before the 3boot, Earth was basically the same as it is today, except the cities sprawled more.
I don't think there were any substantial maps throughout the series. Sometimes you'd get a planet view, like for Colu, where you'd see that they had large oceans and three moons.
There was a galactic map in the gamebook which showed the relative positions of the planets in the U.P., the Khund Empire, the Dominator Empire and (I think) the Black Circle's sphere of influence was thrown in there too.
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Has anyone compiled some sort of map(s) of Earth or any other Legion world from the 30th century? I know scattered throughout the comics (especially for earth) we find name changes to cities, mentions of a polar shift (I think) which has changed some of the continents, that sort of thing. I'l be working on making a map of earth for the 30th century, is there any such thing already in the works?
Posted by kidflash2fan on :
any one know the issues with Chameleon boy's brother??? or a pic of Liggt
Posted by Korbal on :
Pretty much only seen in flashbacks of TMK #6 & #8
[ January 25, 2009, 04:13 AM: Message edited by: Korbal ]
Posted by Klordny on :
quote:Originally posted by Phantom Girl: Has anyone compiled some sort of map(s) of Earth or any other Legion world from the 30th century? I know scattered throughout the comics (especially for earth) we find name changes to cities, mentions of a polar shift (I think) which has changed some of the continents, that sort of thing. I'l be working on making a map of earth for the 30th century, is there any such thing already in the works?
There was a map of the v4-era (Giffen/Bierbaum) galaxy in the 2995 Sourcebook, which mostly makes sense, I don't recall seeing a map of Earth, just occasional glimpses of it from space.
Posted by cleome on :
Just a couple of requests, if anyone has the time:
Is there a good page somewhere specifically about the Emerald Empress ? Any/all incarnations would do. I've seen Wiki's page and a few others that pop up in the first page of a general engine search. If somebody's got a more obscure but useful page (especially anything that talked in detail about how various writers handled her powers and her relationships with the other characters) I wanna' see it !
Remember all those introductory quotes from fictional encyclopedias or news sources that would appear at the beginnings of scenes in the Levitz/Giffen era ? You know. The ones that said something like: Planet X is ruled by benevolent despot Fred Friedlander and is famous for its crawfish crepes -- Encyclopedia Galactica, 3009. I'm looking for samples of those online, because I need a reminder of how they were usually written out. If you know where to find at least a few of them, please tell !
Thanks.
Posted by Arm Fall Off Boy on :
Here's a start on Legion World. I know it's not all you need, but it's a start. Emerald Empress/ Fatal Five Just scroll down.
Also, from the 1986 DC Heroes role playing game, VOl.1: (Pre-boot) Emerald Empress, alias Saryva(sic) "After discovering the Emerald Eye of Ekron in the ruins of that lost civilization (the eye apparently an offshoot of Kryptonian or Oan ancestry), the Empress used its power to conquer her planet, Venegar. Ultimately, dethroned by superior numbers, she sought new worlds to conquer and became a founder of The Fatal Five.
The Empress has an affection for Superboy and can be tempted from her ways for brief periods of time by him. Fundamentally, she is amoral and deadly. She is aware that Superboy is totally opposed to her, and she usually carries a chunk of Green Kryptonite with her.
Note: The Emerald Eye can function independently of the Empress although it is relatively docile when the Empress is subdued. Its power can focus through the Empress for brief periods of time, even through Inertron. It is totally indestructible." Text by Paul Levitz and Steve Crow.
[ February 03, 2009, 01:08 AM: Message edited by: Arm Fall Off Boy ]
Posted by cleome on :
Thanks, AFOB. Shoulda' mentioned that I read nearly all the LW "basement" infor my first week here-- long before I ever registered. (Shooter's take on most of the Legionnaires was way more than I wanted to know, too. )
I always get confused as to whether the Eye is considered more scientific or more mystical in nature, but maybe that's something that changes every time a new writer comes along, anyway. I was also wondering if Sarya ever had any kind of backstory or planetary history, beyond her earlier career as would-be ruler of her home planet.
Posted by Fat Cramer on :
Cleome, here's an Encyclopedia G. item that I had close by:
Winath: A lush agricultural world. Virtually all of the eight million inhabitants are results of identical twin births, the most common delivery on theplanet by a ratio of 983 to 1 -- Encyclopaedia Galactica
There were similar little entries for "U.P. News Report" and "Science Police Status Report" - always in a yellow box
If you need a visual I could scan it in later.
Posted by cleome on :
Bless yer' heart, FC. Mostly I just needed a reminder of the writing style and some of the fictitious "sources." If you have some more of the typical "sources," I'd love it. If not, no worries.
[proffers cookies]
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
I'm looking for all the entries of Grimbor the Chainsman and Charma that are out there. I'd like to read each comic they appeared in so that I can get a good idea of their powers in order to properly utilize them in my game. Can anyone compile me a list of issues they appeared in?
Posted by Fat Cramer on :
A coupe more Encyc. Galactica citations for Cleome:
Durla: Only planet of its star-sun, Durla once sustained a high-order civilization whose warlike tendencies ultimately ended in the six-minute war. The conflict reduced the planet to nuclear rubble, gradually mutated the natives until they gained the power to change their form instantly to adapt to circumstances... and ultimately created a barbaric tribal life on what is colloquially called "The Chameleon Planet". -- Encyclopaedia Galactica, 2983 A.D. Edition
Durla, Continued: Each tribe has adopted a "characteristic" shape used in their rituals and worn by Durlans of the tribe who leave the planet. The relationship of any of these shapes to the natural appearance of Durlans is unknown... yet best available data indicates these shapes may be those worn by the primary ancestors of the tribe at "The Temple" -- the alleged source of the inhabitants' unique abilities. -- Encyclopaedia Galactica
The Time Institute: An adjunct facility of Metropolis University, Earth, famed for research into th nature of time and time travel. Principal discoveries: the time scanner and time bubble, under the direction of Circadia Senius, Chronarch of the Institute. -- Encyclopaedia Galactia
Posted by Triplicate Kid on :
"Star-sun"... I'd almost forgotten about that Pre-Crisis-ism. What other kind is there?
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
Phantom Girl: Grimbor appeared in Superboy # 221, Superboy & the LSH # 240, LSH v2 # 277-280, and LSH v4 # 51. He made a post-ZH appearance in LSH Secret Files & Origins # 1. He is also a member of Superboy-Prime's LSV in Legion of 3 Worlds.
Charma only appeared in Superboy # 221.
Grimbor's and Charma's daughter Cocheta appeared in LSH v4 # 51.
Posted by Matthew E on :
Charma did also appear in the reboot, in that story with the two Invisible Kids.
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
Good remembering, Matthew - issue was Legionnaires # 66.
Posted by cleome on :
Thanks again, FC !
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Can anyone recommend a good picture of one or more Legionnaires performing a particular heroic action? I'm not really looking for the run of the mill rescue of some sorts but rather something that really taxed the characters abilities. I'm also not really looking for the "sacrficing one's life" such as Invisible Kid or Ferro Lad's death.
Posted by Exnihil on :
Not really a single image, but a sequence that comes to mind, is the climax of "Earthwar". I particularly love this sequence because of the teamwork of two of the Legionnaires most diametrically opposed personality-wise, Element Lad and Brainiac 5:
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Those should work fine. I'll be able to utilze one picture for the heroic feat and another for the teamwork example. Excellent choices, thank you!
Posted by superboymddjr on :
That particular Earthwar issue has proved to me that how powerful Element Lad is. I have concluded myself that Element Lad is the most powerful member of the Legion. Certainly not Mon-El, Superboy, Wildfire, Ultra Boy....Element Lad...wow. That was when I was able to convince my friend that Element Lad is powerful. Mon-El is the strongest....Triplicate Girl/Duo Damsel is the most resourceful....Karate Kid is the most determined and will-powered (most indomitable) and that left me one debatable issue - which one is the most unluckiest legionniare - Lightning Lad or Star Boy?
I was inclined more toward Star Boy. YMMV.
Posted by cleome on :
So I was having a good time tooling around this space, when my eyes happened to fall on:
quote:...Homeworld of Shrinking Violet, Imsk has been the most politically explored planet next to Earth. Back in the 70s, we learned that the Imskians hunt a race of space dragons who possess a certain energy and radiation that helps to facilitate their ability to shrink. Garth, Imra and Gim assisted Salu in collecting some of this energy only to react to it and be hunted by Bounty... -- Todd Schoonover, 2001
Anyone have a picture of this ? (I thought that Bounty was an 5YL character, but the writer implies that the event took place earlier-- pre-Crisis.) I'm working on a Violet-centric fic right now, and I'd love you forever. Thanks.
[ April 05, 2009, 12:16 PM: Message edited by: cleome ]
Posted by matlock on :
It was a different Bounty I think. At any rate it was not the same "violent-entity-in-Dawnstar's-body" concept.
Posted by cleome on :
Okay. Thanks, matlock. At least my brain isn't completely shot. Posted by Korbal on :
quote:Originally posted by cleome: So I was having a good time tooling around this space, when my eyes happened to fall on:
quote:...Homeworld of Shrinking Violet, Imsk has been the most politically explored planet next to Earth. Back in the 70s, we learned that the Imskians hunt a race of space dragons who possess a certain energy and radiation that helps to facilitate their ability to shrink. Garth, Imra and Gim assisted Salu in collecting some of this energy only to react to it and be hunted by Bounty... -- Todd Schoonover, 2001
Anyone have a picture of this ? (I thought that Bounty was an 5YL character, but the writer implies that the event took place earlier-- pre-Crisis.) I'm working on a Violet-centric fic right now, and I'd love you forever. Thanks.
Yeah, this character was later reavealed to be Jaeger Tallspirit, a cousin of Dawnstar. His lack of wings have led to some speculation that he too, was possessed by the "Bounty" entity which could have had some sort of vendetta on Dawnstar's bloodline...
Posted by Matthew E on :
I can't remember if I've asked this before. I thought I had, but when I did a search it came up empty:
Can I get a ruling on just how Phantom Girl's homeworld is spelled? I'm sure I've seen both "Bgtzl" and "Bgztl" in multiple places where you'd expect it to be spelled correctly. Is there any kind of consensus of authoritative sources on this spelling?
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
Bgztl is the official spelling.
Posted by Matthew E on :
Thanks.
Not that I doubt your word, but I would like to know more about just what is the basis on which you say that.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Who exactly is this woman Xera? And what where the names of the members of the UP Military Academy during the FYL stories, specifically #57.
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
Xera was the heroine of Manna-5, introduced (briefly) in the Universo Project story.
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
I don't have #57 handy, but here are the named Academy students that I can remember -
Dragonfly Shift R327 Ringtoss Stun Rush Xera Jagged Posted by Nightcrawler on :
And a girl created by Steve Lightle, which I've named Tiger Girl Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Ah yes, thank you SO much. Actually, I think someone on here nicknamed her Satomi Tiger. What do you think?
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Sorry about the above. Every time I tried going to the smilie legend the computer started wigging out. So I tried to view them by typing in the names and previewing them. I hit add reply instead of preview for the above.
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
No problem. It's a known bug with Internet Explorer (works fine in Firefox) due to the amount of images.
And Steve Lightle discussed "Tiger Girl" here.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Hmmmmm...
Ideas have started to turn in my mind. Thanks for that.
Posted by cleome on :
Another day, another question:
Chronologically speaking, who proposed to his beloved first: Garth or Chuck ?
Thanks in advance.
Posted by Matthew E on :
Chuck. Bouncing Boy and Duo Damsel's wedding was the end of the Cockrum era; Lightning Lad and Saturn Girl didn't get married until Paul Levitz came along.
Posted by cleome on :
Dude. Watch your mailbox for cookies. The non-exploding kind.
Posted by Otto Plastino on :
I have that giant comic where Bouncing Boy marries Duo Damsel. Jim Starlin did the cover for that ish. I've often wondered if I'm related to Jim Starlin(I have the same last name). To my knowledge Jim Starlin only did a handfull of Legion covers but he didn't do any interior artwork for any Legion issues. Am I correct or has Jim Starlin worked on some issues of the Legion. If so does anyone know which issues? Also at the start of this thread there was something about best 80's Legion costume. My vote for most improved costume has to go to 80's Timber Wolf. Its kinda hard to rock Autumn colors but man did they pull it off.
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
Jim Starlin did the interior art for Superboy & the LSH # 239 - "Murder Most Foul".
Posted by Otto Plastino on :
quote:Originally posted by Chaim Mattis Keller: Jim Starlin did the interior art for Superboy & the LSH # 239 - "Murder Most Foul".
Thank you!!
Posted by cleome on :
Anyone got a pic of Weber's World (planetside) somewhere ? Even just one of those skinny-panel skyline shots would help out a lot with something I'm working on at the moment. Thanks in advance.
Posted by Fat Cramer on :
From SLSH #242
Posted by superboymddjr on :
gosh...see how strong Dawnstar is? Loved #242.. artwork was so good at that time. One of the best book ever out in the rack (before George Perez/John Byrne/Jim Lee eras).
Posted by superboymddjr on :
quote:Originally posted by Otto Plastino: I have that giant comic where Bouncing Boy marries Duo Damsel. Jim Starlin did the cover for that ish. I've often wondered if I'm related to Jim Starlin(I have the same last name). To my knowledge Jim Starlin only did a handfull of Legion covers but he didn't do any interior artwork for any Legion issues. Am I correct or has Jim Starlin worked on some issues of the Legion. If so does anyone know which issues? Also at the start of this thread there was something about best 80's Legion costume. My vote for most improved costume has to go to 80's Timber Wolf. Its kinda hard to rock Autumn colors but man did they pull it off.
Also he is still writing and drawing - right now it's Strange Adventures guest-starring Adam Strange, Omega Men, Hawkman, Captain Comet, the Weird, etc.
Posted by cleome on :
So, FC, at this point I should probably be putting your name in the "thank you" section of the fic I'm working on. I don't know if that would be a solid career move for you, though. Let me know if it's okay.
Posted by Fat Cramer on :
No problem - my career plunged downwardly years ago.
Does anyone know if Weber was somebody in particular, or just a name taken at random? All I could turn up in a search was grills and carburetors - no statesmen or political philosophers.
Posted by Matthew E on :
Well, there is Max Weber (not to be confused with Max Webster), but I think it's more likely that the name was just picked to sound good.
Posted by Jerry on :
I always took the name as a total tribute to Max Weber and his work on bureaucracy. Weber's World was the bureaucratic center of the United Planets.
Posted by Jerry on :
quote:Originally posted by Chaim Mattis Keller: Jim Starlin did the interior art for Superboy & the LSH # 239 - "Murder Most Foul".
Starlin also did the layouts for S/LSH issues #250 and #251 using the pseudonym Steve Apollo. The pseudonym was apparently used because the story in the two issues was originally intended for an oversized Legion special that got canceled. The change of plans resulted in a delay in the publication of the story and some "fixes" to the art. Both of which had a negative impact the quality and meaning of the story.
Posted by Otto Plastino on :
quote:Originally posted by Jerry:
quote:Originally posted by Chaim Mattis Keller: Jim Starlin did the interior art for Superboy & the LSH # 239 - "Murder Most Foul".
Starlin also did the layouts for S/LSH issues #250 and #251 using the pseudonym Steve Apollo. The pseudonym was apparently used because the story in the two issues was originally intended for an oversized Legion special that got canceled. The change of plans resulted in a delay in the publication of the story and some "fixes" to the art. Both of which had a negative impact the quality and meaning of the story.
Thanks for the info.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Can anyone verify the information Cosmic Teams posted about Echo?
Posted by cleome on :
Micro-Lad: The original or re-boot version (not the renamed Gim Allon)... anyone remember if he ever had a "real" name ?
Under Levitz/Giffen he was a wannabe' revolutionary and kidnapper-brainwasher. In reboot he was the guy who murdered a rival in competition for a space with the Legion. In either version, did he have any kind of backstory ?
Thanks.
Posted by Matthew E on :
Micro Lad was Lalo Muldron. Not familiar with his backstory in either version.
Posted by cleome on :
Thanks.
Posted by Fat Cramer on :
Regarding Echo, as posted at Cosmic Teams, they don't give much information, but that's how the story played out. He fought Cosmic Man one-on-one in that Adult Legion story. I don't think he was seen again.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Well, he was seen as a Legionnaire in that 5YL issue where Sun Boy's life flashed before his eyes. (Hero History)
And he was in the Superman/Batman story, and he's been in Lo3W.
Wow, I guess I already know about as much as I know. Thanks though.
Posted by Fat Cramer on :
I'd forgotten about the Superman/Batman. That 5YL appearance is a bit baffling, since Echo was a villain in the Adult Legion story, which I guess just emphasizes the fact that the Adult Legion stories were indeed imaginary. We get to take our pick whether Echo was a legionnaire, or a legionnaire turned villain, or maybe Sun Boy was just hallucinating.
Posted by cleome on :
Tell me what you know about transuits. I remember that they protect the wearer from the vacuum of space, but...
Do they work against inclement weather, too ? If you're wearing one when you fall into cold water, are you protected from hypothermia ?
Who invented the darn things ?
Etc.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
I think his hero history, FC, said something about him being against the Khunds. Because they were the ones who fused that oxygen mask on his face, or something, and that's why he became a Legionnaire when he did.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
My impression re: transuits (I'm not sure if there's a source to back this up) is that they are primarily designed to work in vacuums, but are fairly limited in general in regards to adverse atmospheric conditions. I'm pretty sure, for example, they won't protect from the extreme heat on Tharr. One would assume they would have to have at least some temperature regulation as part of their ordinary function, however, so they might protect you from an ordinary Earth snowstorm for at least some time.
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
Fat Cramer:
quote:That 5YL appearance is a bit baffling, since Echo was a villain in the Adult Legion story, which I guess just emphasizes the fact that the Adult Legion stories were indeed imaginary. We get to take our pick whether Echo was a legionnaire, or a legionnaire turned villain,
Or a villain turned Legionnaire, like Blok. That's how I read it. Like, he was misguided and once separated from the LSV's influence he turned out to really be OK and eventually, a Legionnaire.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Many of the LSVers were retconned into being mind-controlled through the use of drugs 5YL.
Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
quote:Originally posted by Fat Cramer: I'd forgotten about the Superman/Batman. That 5YL appearance is a bit baffling, since Echo was a villain in the Adult Legion story, which I guess just emphasizes the fact that the Adult Legion stories were indeed imaginary. We get to take our pick whether Echo was a legionnaire, or a legionnaire turned villain, or maybe Sun Boy was just hallucinating.
He was a villain im the 60s Adult Legion, but a hero by late 80s/early 90s.
Therefore it was his time with the Bunnymen in the 80s that reformed him. Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: Many of the LSVers were retconned into being mind-controlled through the use of drugs 5YL.
Really? Which issue was that from?
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
I believe its spelled out in detail in the LSH Mayfair Games Sourcebook (written by the Bierbaums), though there may be references to it in the text features on Mekt's rehabilitation as well (around #12 or so).
It was used to excuse a number of characters, like Spider Girl, Ron-Karr, and Saturn Queen from the more murderous aspects of the LSV's career.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Oh. Thanks. I was wondering. If they do indeed start a Legion comic after Lo3W, I wish we'd see more insight on BB and Echo. It's funny though. With Echo's mask looking like Ferro Lad's somewhat, you'd have thought the reboot writers were making a reference to him and BB with Ferro and Inferno's "relationship". But that's just me.
And I have another question. I've heard that FYL, the Dominators got hold of Wildfire's brother, Squire. It looked like they made him into their Wildfire, yet a Legion FAQ I read said his powers were "object animation". What's up with that?
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
Object Animation was Quislet's power. For a while, Quislet was tutoring Wildfire on the advantages of being an energy-being, so maybe for that time, Wildfire was able to do that as well, but certainly he didn't maintain that ability long-term.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Then did the Dominators manage to duplicate that ability for his brother? Or is that the closest I'm gonna get to an explanation?
Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
Squire Burroughs was never adequately explained. Maybe it was one of those things the Bierbaums planned to but couldn't.
We can only presume the Dominators played some role. At that time, DC was big on making anyone who had meta-powers to have a gene that facilitates accessing powers; if you and I were both bitten by a radioactive Hyena, and you had the gene but I didn't, you might get powers but I'd get to die. That gene was the reason for the Dominators' attempted 20th C Invasion (see the big x-over of the same name circa 1990), and we saw in TMK Annual 2 the Dominators continuing to try to exploit that.
So if we assume that Drake had the gene, which is why he was transformed into Erg-1 rather than just being incinerated, then his bro could have ehad the gene too - and it would just be a matter of duplicating the experiment.
The whole premise relies on very cartoony ideas about genettics in the first place.. but it was an attempt to offer *some* explanation where there had been none (regarding why things that would kill you or I gave other people powers).
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Ah. Thanks. I really wish the Bierbaums had more time to explain the rest of those plot threads. Maybe if we're lucky Geoff might...
As long as Garth is not Proty and there are no more Legion clones or else MARVEL'S GOT A NEW ERRAND BOY.
Posted by Jefferson l.o.b Sergeant on :
Has Braniac 5 ever used his force-field offensively?
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
I believe in one of the isses for the Great Darkness Saga he used it to trap one of the Servants of Darkness, which caused the energy blast it fired to bounce back in at it.
Posted by Matthew E on :
Also there was one scene in The Legion #?? where he used it to punch a guy. Might even have been the first issue.
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
What exactly do Grimbor the Chainsman's chains do? How do the work? What are they capable of?
Posted by Superboy-Supergirl on :
Back to Squire...uh...how could he have been Wildfire's brother? I know I'll accept it as fact but there's just that line in one of the Secrets of the Legion (3?) that Wildfire says he's an orphan, and he doesn't know who his real parents are.
I guess the simpliest way to say the dominators found his real parents. Or that his adoptive brother (never did say either way if he was an only child) since he had the name burroughs also had the meta gene.
As for Grimbor I believe his chains and traps were made specific to counter against the powers of the legionnaires.
Posted by Superboy-Supergirl on :
quote:Originally posted by Jefferson l.o.b Sergeant: Has Braniac 5 ever used his force-field offensively?
He's also used it a lot as Brainiac 5.1 during Legion Lost as well as earlier fighting scenes.
Posted by Jefferson l.o.b Sergeant on :
I hope everyone is doing well.
Would anyone know of a great image gallery with the Legion?
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Not particularly, but comicvine has some great pics.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
I heard somewhere that LL could run at superspeed by charging his leg muscles with electricity. Is this true? If so how fast could he run?
Posted by Matthew E on :
I've seen someone ask about this before elsewhere, and nobody knew what he was talking about that time. I've certainly never read such a story.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Well I dunno who thought it up but it's writing gold.
Posted by cleome on :
In the reboot, one of Shrinking Violet's people died because of something called an "Auraflux," according to Major Spoilers. Anyone have the details on where it came from and how it worked? I know the culprit was rebbot Micro Lad, but that's all.
Thanks in advance.
Posted by Jerry on :
An Imskiite code named Ion was killed by an auraflux blade in Legion of Super-Heroes #66 (March, 95). Shrinking Violet, Micro-Lad, and Ion were competing to be Imsk's representative to the Legion. Apparition and Spark were on hand to welcome the new recruit. Ion dropped dead in the middle of the competition.
Violet explained that all Imskiites carry a special aura that allows them to change their size, the size of their clothing, and the air around them. A flux metal was developed that resists the aura's effect and doesn't shrink. It is surgically implanted in prisoners to keep them from shrinking out of jail. It's eventually revealed that Micro Lad had secretly implanted an auraflux blade in Ion prior to the competition and "it carved her to pieces from the inside" when she shrank during her demonstration. Vi uses some impressive martial arts to take Micro Lad out and earns her place in the Legion.
[ May 08, 2009, 05:53 PM: Message edited by: Jerry ]
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Oh is that what happened? I saw some of it in her Major Spoilers Hero History, but it looked like Micro-Lad poisoned her. I dunno.
Posted by cleome on :
Jerry, thanks!
That's just the info I needed. There was a little background on a pdf of the old Legion Outpost, but I couldn't get the blasted thing to a point where it was readable on my screen. (Gack.) Appreciate it.
Posted by cleome on :
Quick! Somebody tell me everything that's ever been specifically defined about Dawnstar's powers. Y'know, what limits, if any, there are regarding who/what/where she can track. If there's anything specific that enhances or subdues her powers; do they increase with age and/or usage; is there a link-up between her ability to fly and her ability to track (if one power is diminished, does the other automatically diminish as well?); what can she specifically do that a telepath or a machine cannot do tracking-wise, and so on.
Also, has she ever been linked to a particular NA tribe (or at least region of Old Earth), rather than just being considered a generic NA?
Thanks in advance.
Posted by Fat Cramer on :
She's generic NA as far as I've read. Also (somewhere) it was stated that she flies just below light speed. Really.
Don't recall any specific info re: limitations to her tracking abilities. From Who's Who:
Dawnstar is an exceptional natural tracker, able to chart specific persons or objects through normal or hyper-space and able to get a "fix" on local lifeforms. She can survive interstellar space without a transuit and can navigate through space better than the most advanced computer systems. Her powers are psionic in nature, combining tracking and probability-calculating talents.
Whatever that means.... but I would read that she has to know what she's tracking (as opposed to "find who did this"). Most telepaths seem to have a limitation of physical distance, whereas I don't recall any such with Dawnstar.
Also, I don't remember when she pulled out the probability-calculating trick. Nice - it suggests that if the track grows faint or she loses it, she can pick up the most likely path. But maybe they just threw that into the Who's Who summary?
Posted by cleome on :
Thank You, FC.
Posted by Triplicate Kid on :
DC Heroes gave stats for her. Her speed was faster than almost any other character or starship included - 64 light-years per hour, wasn't it?
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Not Long ago, Adventure comics #0 came out. There was a picture of the cover that had the title ommitted as well as other type, so that it was just the picture. I've lost my copy of that and I was hoping someone could re-direct me to it?
Thanks so Much!
Just found it. This is a great site.
[ May 25, 2009, 06:58 PM: Message edited by: Phantom Girl ]
Posted by Matthew E on :
I just spent a few minutes searching the site for the thread where Barry Kitson explained how time travel originally was supposed to work in the threeboot. Something about how every time you go back to the past you create a new future, and that's why the Legion can read DC Comics. Does anyone know where that is?
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
quote:Originally posted by Matthew E: I just spent a few minutes searching the site for the thread where Barry Kitson explained how time travel originally was supposed to work in the threeboot. Something about how every time you go back to the past you create a new future, and that's why the Legion can read DC Comics. Does anyone know where that is?
quote:Originally posted by cleome: Quick! Somebody tell me everything that's ever been specifically defined about Dawnstar's powers. Y'know, what limits, if any, there are regarding who/what/where she can track.
This is past the due date, but I was looking through some of the Baxter issues and Dawnstar says that her tracking ability is less clear on the planet's surface (interference, I guess). She also loses a track in space when her thoughts start wandering.
Posted by cleome on :
Thanks, Triplicate Kid! You, too, FC. (Not to worry. The due date got immolated when I picked up actual wage work last week, anyway.)
Posted by Otto Plastino on :
Has Pulsar Stargrave made any appearances in the 31st century since the Birbaum run?
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
No.
Posted by Exnihil on :
I had read somewhere (perhaps even on this board) that Sensor Girl's original costume... the red and white one... was very similar to that of an existing manga or anime character.
I remember looking the character up and being suprised that, with the exception of the mask, they were nearly identical.
I can't, however, for the life of me, remember the character name or find an online reference to this fact. Does anyone have any idea who I might be talking about?
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
I'll try and look, Exnihil, but I've got a question. I understand that there were a lot of different artists for Legion of Super-Heroes #300, the cover I mean.
Who did Gene Colan and Walter Simonson draw?
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Cover to LSH v2 #300 - Supergirl - Carmine Infantino & Bob Oksner Invisible Kid - Paris Cullins Colossal Boy - George Perez Dawnstar - Joe Kubert Superboy - Kurt Schaffenberger Sun Boy - Jose Luis Garcia Lopez White Witch - Don Heck Karate Kid - Jim Aparo Queen Projectra - Jan Duursema Timber Wolf - Gene Colan & Frank Giacoia Phantom Girl - Dave Cockrum Blok - Walt Simonson Star Boy - George Tuska & Mike DeCarlo Dream Girl - Jim Sherman Brainiac Five - Howard Chaykin Ultra Boy - Curt Swan Wildfire - Howard Bender & Dave Hunt Cosmic Boy -Keith Giffen & Larry Mahlstedt Saturn Girl - Dick Giordano Lightning Lad - Larry Mahlstedt & Keith Giffen Mon-El - Gil Kane Element Lad - Trevor Von Eeden Chameleon Boy - Joe Orlando Proty - Keith Giffen & Dan Adkins Shadow Lass - Ross Andru & Romeo Tanghal Duo Damsel - Ernie Colon Bouncing Boy - Joe Staton
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Thanks. Those guys, along with Jim Sherman and Trevor Von Eeden are gonna be at Big Apple Con and I want them to sign that 1050 Years of the Future book. Might even got some sketches...
Posted by Exnihil on :
quote:Originally posted by Exnihil: I had read somewhere (perhaps even on this board) that Sensor Girl's original costume... the red and white one... was very similar to that of an existing manga or anime character.
I remember looking the character up and being suprised that, with the exception of the mask, they were nearly identical.
I can't, however, for the life of me, remember the character name or find an online reference to this fact. Does anyone have any idea who I might be talking about?
Hmmm... no takers? Could I have imagined this?
I've continued looking, but to no avail. Here's what I remember: The character is wearing nearly the exact same uniform as Sensor Girl (same color scheme, cut, etc.) but no mask. It's a female character with short black hair. I'm not certain whether she's manga or anime based, but certainly from that general style of drawing. Additionally, I seem to remember that she is somehow affiliated with a marine-based setting, like on a submarine or in the navy, or something.
This is driving me nuts.
Posted by Pov on :
quote:Originally posted by Otto Plastino: Has Pulsar Stargrave made any appearances in the 31st century since the Birbaum run?
quote:Originally posted by Chaim Mattis Keller: No.
Not entirely true... dig out LSH: SFO #1. The giant spread by Phil Jiminez of the denizens of the Legion's era includes a member of the Dark Circle. The legend for that photo lists that character (#116) as a "Pulsar Stargrave". Though that was never stated in-story, I thought that was cute foreshadowing that the DC leader was related to Brainiac 5.1, who we later found out was his mother, B4. Posted by Jefferson l.o.b Sergeant on :
Hello, I hope everyone is doing well.
I remember Mon-el traveling through a black hole on 2 occassions.
Does anybody else know about this and if so can you tell me the issues?
Posted by Matthew E on :
I was just reading a column on CBR about Canadian comic-book artists, and noticed that there are a few Canadian artists who've drawn, or otherwise affected, the Legion:
- Joe Shuster cocreated Superman, which is obviously important - John Byrne drew the Legion in the "Death of Superboy" arc, and famously affected the LSH in other ways - Stuart Immonen was the regular LSH penciller for a while in the early-to-mid '90s - Win Mortimer drew some Legion stories in the '60s - Francis Manapul was the regular artist on the Jim Shooter part of the threeboot - Kalman Andrasofszky chipped in on the threeboot once or twice - Alex Serra drew more issues of LSH31C than anybody else - Darwyn Cooke drew the Spark story in Legion Worlds
My questions are, a) can anyone think of any others, and b) did Todd McFarlane ever draw the Legion?
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
quote:and b) did Todd McFarlane ever draw the Legion?
Only if they appeared in the background of any Crisis-related issues of Infinity, Inc. that he drew.
Posted by Exnihil on :
Although not strictly Legion, McFarlane did also draw Vril Dox and Garryn Bek of L.E.G.I.O.N., as well as a slew of Dominators, Khunds, Gil'Dishpan, Durlans, and Daxamites in the "Invasion" series.
Posted by jimgallagher on :
Anybody know if those Legion costume sketches that Swan did back in the silver age are available on line anywhere?
Thanks.
Never mind. My buddy, Jo, posted them on his website for me here:
[ July 03, 2009, 06:46 PM: Message edited by: jimgallagher ]
Posted by BouncingBear on :
I'm currently living in Italy and left all of my old comics in my American house so am unable to reference them. I'm trying to find pictures of all of the Legion family members such as Synde and Berto Ardeen, Luc and Perla Ranzz...etc. Can anyone help me? Thanks.
Posted by cleome on :
Technically not a Legion question in the strict sense, but...
Xudar is the planet that produced at least a couple of Green Lanterns. Xudarians also pop up in a few crowd scenes in the Legion animated series. Does anyone recall whether any of them were seen or prominently featured in any other Legion stories, and in what capacity?
Anything you've got would be appreciated, as when it comes to old comics, I'm kind of in the same boat as BouncingBear. I've looked at some of the Lantern-centric sites but haven't found much stuff relating to the 30th/31st Century.
Thanks.
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
There was a Xudarian Green Lantern in LSH # 295, the story that revealed Universo to have once been a GL.
I think I recall seeing a Xudarian Science Police officer, possibly in the Legion 30th Anniversary issue (Levitz baxter series # 45) with the Luck Lords, Lightning Lad and Lightning Lord.
And there might have been a Xudarian amongst the heroes captured by Universo in the Universo Project story.
No prominently featured Xudarian characters, though.
Posted by cleome on :
Thanks for your help, Chaim.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Something I was wondering recently... was there ever a complete list of cities that survived the destruction of Earth 5YL?
If not, does anyone know of a list (or would be willing to construct one) of known surviving cities?
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
No complete list, but I believe my Legion help file lists all the known surviving ones. Those are:
Metropolis (the capital) Melbourne Jakarta Paris Tokyo Acapulco Essen the underwater cities of Tritonis (also inaccurately called Atlantis) and Marsala
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Thanks. I should've thought to check the help-file.
Posted by cleome on :
Speaking of geography, does anyone remember if the Legion-verse had its own planetary version of Switzerland, as in, "It's in my Swiss bank account" ?
If so, what was that planet's name?
Thanks in advance.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
There was, of course, the Interplanetary Bank.
I can't think of anything that's really a Switzerland analogy, however.
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
Wasn't there some sort of Pirate's Bank back in the Dynamo Boy story? I could be misremembering.
Posted by toddschoonover on :
Hi Gang, I'm looking for sketch reference for the following characters:
Vykros H'Hrnath Witch Wolf of Tulva
Thanks.
Posted by Fat Cramer on :
Vykros to follow...
Posted by Fat Cramer on :
Vrykos
Close up of the teeth...
Posted by toddschoonover on :
quote:Originally posted by Fat Cramer: Vrykos
Close up of the teeth...
Thanks Fat Cramer! I think I love you.
Posted by toddschoonover on :
Another reference request please:
Doctor Ryk'rr
Posted by Fat Cramer on :
The creepy Doctor... always smiling....
Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
along a similar vein, I'm looking for a few good illustrations of Dr. Gym'll... preferably a couple different angles.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Does anyone have any good pictures of Captain Frake? I'm curious as to what she looks like.
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
She's on the right. Great Cockrum cover!
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Boy, you ain't kidding! But with that hat she looks more like a witch than a pirate, but what do I know.
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
I think she was designed by Ditko...but I'll check my comics later to be sure.
Posted by Lone Wolf Legionnaire on :
How did I ever miss this thread,Anyone got large scans of the future Batgirl by Steve Lightle,Thora and Rann Antar.
Oh and heres some full body shots of some of the characters requested.
H'Hrnath
Universo as a Green Lantern
Vykros
[ July 25, 2009, 10:43 PM: Message edited by: Lone Wolf Legionnaire ]
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Anyone else wonder what Vykros would look like if Kelley Jones drew him?
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Oh, one more thing. Does anyone have any good pictures of Veilmist? And not just covers. Thank you.
Posted by Silver Age Lad on :
Does anyone have the full picture that this is the right hand half of. The full picture was used as a wraparound for the Superman/Legion HC:
Posted by Lone Wolf Legionnaire on :
quote:Originally posted by Sarcasm Kid: Oh, one more thing. Does anyone have any good pictures of Veilmist? And not just covers. Thank you.
Here you go Sarcasm Kid.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Beautiful. Thanks.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
One more thing, what did Superman do with Kara's body after the Crisis?
Posted by stuorstew on :
I do not have the issue to hand but I seem to remember her being launched into the sun.
Posted by Superboy-Supergirl on :
no he didn't launch her into the sun.
He took her to Rokyn to her Parents in a Superman issue. (where Alura's hair color was changed to black in a ink error, and it was during the Crisis during a break in the action I would say between Crisis 7 and 8)
Posted by stuorstew on :
That'll learn me to rely on my memory! Thanks.
Posted by Superboy-Supergirl on :
we all got that problem LOL
Posted by Blockade Boy on :
yeah, we keep forgetting the lesson, not to rely on our memory.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Damn, I was hoping he really did bring her into the sun.
Posted by cleome on :
Anyone have a copy of that post-original-recipe-Crisis fallout page (the one in the actual Legion comic) where Brainy's all emo because Kara's dead. Dr. Chaseer says something nice to him, and either Rond or Circadia (or both) basically tells him to grow the [bleep] up?
If there's already one posted somewhere, just point me in that direction. Google and its ilk just aren't my friends today, I guess. Still depressurizing from the heatwave and the end of the stoopid temp job.
Thanks much.
Posted by Arm Fall Off Boy on :
Found it! It's in the baxter-era Legion #16. Page 2 Circadia Sensus: "Brainiac 5, my friend?" B5: "She's dead Chronarch. A thousand years ago tonight, she died. Leave me with her." RV: "You knew Supergirl was doomed to an early death, Brainiac." B5: "I couldn't stop her Rond. I had to watch her die." CS: "History K-K-K-cannot K-K-K-change, my friend." B5: " You taught me that, Chronarch, years ago. But I still built the Time Bubble to conquer the centuries so I could hold her...kiss her...and dare not interfere with her death. May whatever gods there be have mercy on her soul--and on mine." On pages 8 and 9 there is a 'bar scene' at the Time Institute. Rond tells him to pull himself together, everyone is staring. Dr. Chaseer comes over RV: "Doctor Chaseer, how are you?" DrC: "Well enough to wish a hurt man less pain." B5: "Thank you." Dr.C: "You are a brilliant man, sir--it pains all of us to watch you so. Can we not--" B5: "No. No one can... anything. Not for me. Not for Kara."
At the end, he pulls himself together and reminds Dr. Chaseer "After all, tomorrow will be another day whether were ready to face it or not."
Posted by cleome on :
Thanks, AFOB! That helps much. LJ coughed up a few other scans from that era, but not that one in particular.
Bonus appreciation for anyone who has the actual page available somewhere.
Posted by kenaustin on :
Tada! The Brainiac 5 centric pages from LSH v3 #16
I hadn't really noticed before, but all of Brainy's pages are framed in black, while the rest of them are white like normal. The better to portray the sad and dark mood that he was in.
Posted by cleome on :
ken, I will you forever for this.
(But not in a creepy, stalkerish way, I promise.)
Yeah, I remember the black borders, and I still daydream about getting my degree at the Time Institute so I can go back in time with a big fish in tow. I want to use it to slap the idjits who green-lighted Kara's death in the first place. What can I say? I tend to hold a grudge. (Once they found that in my psych profile, they probably wouldn't admit me anyway. Bah.)
Posted by kenaustin on :
You're quite welcome.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Could someone scan some pictures of Squire Burroughs, Wildfire's brother? He was one the people mindwiped by the Dominion in the Glorithverse. They wanted to make their own Wildfire, as I understand. Thanx in advance.
Posted by Fat Cramer on :
This is from issue #40. Squire was featured on the cover also.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Yeah, I heard some people on here were pissed about that. Thank you.
Posted by Superboy-Supergirl on :
i just wondered how in the world did they make wildfire have a brother when he was said to have been an orphan in Secrets of the Legion?
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Considering Glorith and the Trapper kept gizzing on that timeline and making edits I wouldn't worry about it.
Posted by Lone Wolf Legionnaire on :
Can someone scan a picture of Accordion King from Legionnaires issue #9,and Agent Skelter from the 3boot issue #11,I can't find my copies.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Now, does anyone have any pictures of An Ryd (non-Legion annual), Zera Vultan, and Weight Wizard? Thanx in advanced.
Posted by kenaustin on :
Agent Skelter, Photoshopped. If you'd just prefer the scanned page let me know.
Posted by Lucifer07 on :
Can anyone help? I am looking for a website that shows models with legion costumes photoshopped on. many thanks.
Posted by stuorstew on :
Something that is bothering me from Lo3W is in issue 3 (I think) Andromeda says to Superman that is nice to see him again. However I cannot find any instance when they would have met previously.
Obviously Laurel Gand met him during Time and Time Again but they are not the same person and Andromeda was not with the team at the part of Legion 100 when the team travelled through time.
So if nobody except Brainiac and Thom remembers the first Lo3w team-up can anybody tell me when they would have met previously?
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Does anyone know what issue of Adventure Comics I'll find Polar Boy trying out for the LSH? Also how about when he joined, what issue would that be?
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Yes, greatly, I'm working on Polar Boys power of Cold Generation and this gave me the information I was looking for. Thank you very much Sarcasm Kid.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
No prob.
I just wish I could some answers to my questions, though.
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
I doubt I can help, but ask away, I'm familiar from about 1976 on down to 1958.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
I was asking if anyone had pics of An Ryd, Zera Vultan, and Weight Wizard (not necessarily together)
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
An Ryd, SUPERBOY #239 -
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Zera Vultan, LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES #283 -
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Weight Wizard, ADVENTURE COMICS #344 & 345 -
Posted by Pov on :
I was looking around for the status of Trom in the Legion-Prime's era. I didn't remember any reference to it in the actual WaK issues. I checked a Wiki listing for Jan Arrah and the WaK version was listed as "the sole survivor of a lost planet", referencing Action Comics #850. Can anyone verify this please?
Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
so... nobody has any Dr. Gym'll? or did my req get lost between many others?
I'm looking for full-body shot, both frontal and side views ...as well as a frontal head closeup.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Thank for the scans. I just have one question.
Is the infamy surrounding Tyroc true?
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
quote:Originally posted by Pov: I was looking around for the status of Trom in the Legion-Prime's era. I didn't remember any reference to it in the actual WaK issues. I checked a Wiki listing for Jan Arrah and the WaK version was listed as "the sole survivor of a lost planet", referencing Action Comics #850. Can anyone verify this please?
Based on my 3Boot EL page here. Trom's fate was never discussed during the Wak years. I don't recall Shooter adding anything to Jan besides his stinky pet and his rebound girlfriend after the Trips disappeared.
Posted by Pov on :
Thanks, Gar. I just had this idea percolating... if there were other Tromians with Jan's abilities in the Prime uni, the Prime Legion could get another transmuter, OR Brainy Prime could conceivably work out time travel from his exposure to the other Brainy's and they'd travel back to the present universe of E-P and train a Tromian to housesit SBP... That's why I was curious as to what the actual ACT #850 ref was...
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Here's Gym'll's Who's Who page -
Notice he has four arms above. Just like in his first appearance -
And to make life easy for me, here's the pages used to explain the name "Dr.Gym'll's Cultural Rarities." Notice that Giffen always drew him with three arms -
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
quote:Originally posted by Sarcasm Kid: Thank for the scans. I just have one question.
Is the infamy surrounding Tyroc true?
I don't understand the question...but here are some resources -
What I meant was, is it true that most of the people involved with creating Tyroc are embarrassed by him?
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
According to LEGION COMPANION, Mike Grell was. Don't know what Cary Bates thinks about him.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Well, according to the information, I fail to understand why the editors kept blocking the writers efforts to add black Legionnaires until they HAD to create Tyroc.
Posted by Jerry on :
Many people want to believe that omission of black characters in American comics was something of an oversight, a sign of the times, or just reflective of the larger culture. It was deliberate choice during the 60's, when the Legion headlined Adventure Comics. DC editorial was afraid that comics with black characters would be pulled from the shelves of stores in parts of America, specifically in the South. That would have impacted sales. It was a very conscious racist business decision. Remember, this was the era in which some network affiliates refused to air Star Trek episodes because of an interracial kiss.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Was this the same era that I Spy came into existence?
Posted by He Who Wanders on :
Let's be clear on dates here:
Star Trek ran from 1966-69; I Spy from 1965-68.
Tyroc made his debut in 1976.
The comics industry, however, has always been behind the times in reflecting cultural changes. This is not the same as pop culture fads such as disco or kung fu movies, which have a way of creeping into comics much sooner. But significant social and political changes take longer. Well into the '70s, most super-hero teams still had only one token female, for example.
Tyroc was, in my opinion, an attempt to be "relevant" by creating a black character, but his creators and company probably had little idea how to actually go about creating such a character. They relied on popular stereotypes: the disco costume with chains, the angry young black attitude. It is probably because of these stereotypes that Tyroc became an embarrassment to DC and all but vanished from Legion stories after his first three appearances.
The third appearance, by the way, was an egregious example of bad taste. The cover of SUPERBOY # 222 shows Superboy and Ultra Boy flying with a manacled and gagged Tyroc--hardly an image conducive to race relations of the time.
Was the racism intentional? Perhaps, perhaps not. But it was a very real, ingrained aspect of American culture, and DC blunderingly made it worse in their misguided attempt to make it better.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Thank you all for the insight and the in-depth explanations.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Um, okay, moving on from that...
Does anyone have any scans of when the Legionnaires switched powers in Adventure Comics #361.
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Notice the writer confused Phantom Girl with Duo Damsel. Or maybe the artist did?!?
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Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Thanx. Hmm, I wonder why they never thought to include Ultra Bouncing Boy in the "Different Body Types" museum exhibit.
Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
thanks, Gary!
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Okay, one more time, does anyone have any scans of, um, Myg and Polecat when they were brainwashed by the Dominators?
Posted by Silver Age Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Sarcasm Kid: Okay, one more time, does anyone have any scans of, um, Myg and Polecat when they were brainwashed by the Dominators?
Any idea roughly which issue that was. If you have some idea, I'll dig them out.
Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
that would have been around v.4 39-40ish.
Posted by Silver Age Lad on :
Got them - pages 6-14 of #40.
Give me an email address and I'll send you JPEGs.
Posted by cleome on :
Anyone got images of Imsk? The planet proper, or a cityscape, or some other view of what it looks like from the ground?
Just about any version would do, though Threeboot's snowglobe-sized take isn't much help to me. (Unless it's, y'know, bigger than a snowglobe.)
Just looking for a jumping-off point, as usual. I'm not proud. Posted by Vee on :
Imsk was featured in an issue of LSH in which some of the Legionnaires went with Vi to Imsk to help with the harvesting of the Space Dragons scales. I think they also battled Micro Lad in that issue, portrayed as a terrorist sort.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
I'll send the email address later, thanx, but now I have a question.
When did Marella Tao date Timber Wolf?
Posted by Matthew E on :
Didn't it start around #30 of the Baxter run?
Posted by Fat Cramer on :
Pre-boot Imsk, from LSH #305:
Posted by superboymddjr on :
quote:Originally posted by Vee: Imsk was featured in an issue of LSH in which some of the Legionnaires went with Vi to Imsk to help with the harvesting of the Space Dragons scales. I think they also battled Micro Lad in that issue, portrayed as a terrorist sort.
If I remember correctly, roughly somewhere in Superboy/LSH #230 to #242.
Posted by superboymddjr on :
also Duplicate Boy was visiting Violet in early issue I think in S/SLSH #199 to #207?? wow that was a long time ago.
Posted by He Who Wanders on :
The harvesting was done in S/LSH # 234 (Dec. 1977)--the Composite Legionnaire story. Duplicate Boy guests; no Micro Lad, though.
Duplicate Boy visited Vi on Imsk in SUPERBOY # 219 (Sept. 1976), featuring the Fatal Five.
Posted by cleome on :
Thank You, FC! And others. (That particular comic is being devoured by silverfish in Mom's garage even as we speak, probably.) Posted by ActorLad on :
Could someone post some pics of Black Witch Mysa? I haven't had any luck finding them online.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
2. Wildfire ( I know that he is a smart-ass is there anything more I need to know?).
3. Dawnstar ("down to earth",caring, strong, stern?)
4. XS (As far as I can tell she is nice, caring, and sweet, maybe vulnerable?).
5. Rond Vidar (All I know is from "Legion of 3 Worlds", he is noble as far a I can tell).
The purpose of this is for a fanfic I want to write. What I've listed is what I know so far. The fanfic will continue the last season of the Legion animated series. Thanks in advance. This will be the first fanfic I've ever written. Any and all help would be much appreciated.
Also what is contemporary Superman's maximum strength? I have always wondered this. After seeing him shatter a moon in Justice League a few months back I can't help but wonder. I think that the writers sometimes are ambiguous as to what old Supes can do. One comic he has trouble lifting the Statue of Liberty then in another he is picking up mountains. Could someone please clear this up?
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Posted by Matthew E on :
2. He's also quick-tempered and impulsive, and resents his lack of a physical existence. 3. She's aloof and originally joined the Legion because she needed the money, although under Geoff Johns she seems to have come to believe in the Legion's values a lot more. 4. The XS character moments I remember most: the first time she went into combat as a Legionnaire, she panicked and ran away for a second before turning around and helping out. She was ready to quit the Legion over this failure but Cosmic Boy talked her into staying. And one time she was pouring her heart out to Magno about some guy she liked who didn't know she existed, all unaware that Magno had a crush on her himself. She only realized it after the conversation was over, and was mortified.
Posted by matlock on :
Also, Wildfire had a soft spot for the Legion Academy students in the pre-boot era. I think he once kept any of them from being called up when the Legion was short-handed rather than any of them getting hurt. It showed a soft spot that he normally didn't show around the Legionnaires proper, but it was a trait that offset the hot-head side rather nicely.
Posted by cleome on :
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Phoenix-00
quote:The fanfic will continue the last season of the Legion animated series. Thanks in advance. This will be the first fanfic I've ever written. Any and all help would be much appreciated.
The Hero Histories at Major Spoilers were a big help to me when I was getting back into the fandom after a long absence. Bearing in mind that you don't have to agree with every single interpretation of every single character. Which would be impossible anyway given all the rewrites, reboots, and contradictions. It's still a great resource.
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Posted by cleome on :
BTW, a horrifically dorky and hopelessly vague question (but that's never stopped me before, has it?)...
The Omnicoms? Did they first show up in 5YG? Did they persist in other versions of the comic? Is Wiki correct to credit their invention to McCauley and/or his company?
Tell me anything else you might remember about them. I only own three 5YG comics (as of two or three weeks ago), so anything you've got is likely to be something I don't know.
Thanks.
Posted by Phoenix-00 on :
Thanks everyone!
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
Omnicoms did originate in the 5YL (aka TMK) run on the Legion, and it's made clear that they are manufactured by McCauley Industries. A comment made in the diary of SW6 Shrinking Violet mentions a device called "McCauleyComs" that she remembers from her time prior to waking up in the 5YG era (which would be the Silver Age Legion era).
It's never explicitly said that McCauley invented them, but it's pretty clear that the McCauley name has been associated with communications devices of that sort for quite a while in the Legion's universe.
They did exist in the post-Zero Hour Legion.
Posted by cleome on :
Thanks, CMK!
Posted by Stealth on :
I just did a search for OMEGA and came up with 81 matches, none of which was in this thread.
So...
I'd love to read the Omega 2-parter. I'm sure someday I will. But the chances of affordable copies of those issues turning up at my LCS in the near future are slim to none.
That's why I'm asking: WHAT CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT OMEGA??
And images would be nice too, if possible.
Posted by Lone Wolf Legionnaire on :
Here's a picture of Omega.
Posted by Stealth on :
Thanks. That's a good start.
Posted by Jerry on :
While insane, Brainiac 5 created Omega using the Miracle Machine. The Legion is alerted to Omega's existence by a deep space alert that Timber Wolf says is "not supposed to act like that for anything this side of a Sun Eater". Superboy and Mon El respond first. Omega tells them that he is the "living embodiment of all the hate that ever existed". In the fist fight that ensues, Mon El receives a concussion. Omega is then shown striding through space at a speed that staggers the imagination.
He is next confronted by Dawnstar, Superboy, and Ultra Boy. Dawnstar tries to drop a giant asteroid(with a hidden bomb in it) on Omega. He punches it to pieces and Dawnstar is taken out by the debris. After a couple pages of battle, Superboy and Ultra Boy are left unconscious and floating through space.
Omega lumbers toward Earth and Legion headquarters. He takes out a number of Legionnaires. Wildfire releases all of his energy from his containment suit in an attempt to stop Omega. He succeeds only in flattening the headquarters.
Brainiac 5 is left to confront Omega. Omega reveals that he has come for the MIracle Machine and that he intends to use it to end all life. Brainiac 5 has arranged for Matter Eater Lad to eat the Miracle Machine. As he consumes it, Omega fades out of existence. Matter Eater Lad is left as insane as Brainiac 5.
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Posted by Stealth on :
Thank you, Jerry. I particularly appreciate the details of the battle scenes.
Posted by cleome on :
A long shot question, but what the hey...
Were Bouncing Boy's parents ever given names in canon? I've checked my usual sources for this kind of thing, but... nothing.
Thanks.
Posted by BouncingBear on :
Does anyone have a picture of Lume, Kid Psycho and Quantum Queen.
Posted by kidflash2fan on :
any one have any shots of Rond dressed as doctor who? it hard as hell to find any pics of Him
Posted by Vee on :
quote:Originally posted by BouncingBear: Does anyone have a picture of Lume, Kid Psycho and Quantum Queen.
Here area couple of pictures of Quantum Queen shown with the other Wanderers.
the rond from the reboot used to dress like doctor who, i having trouble fining any pics of him from the reboot
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Have you tried looking Rond up on comicvine.com?
Posted by kidflash2fan on :
quote:Originally posted by Sarcasm Kid: Have you tried looking Rond up on comicvine.com?
yeah, they only have golden-silverage-lo3w shots of him :{
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Hmm, I think he might be in some of the Lori Morning pictures.
Posted by BouncingBear on :
Thank you for the references. Now...what I really need is Lume!
Posted by Fat Cramer on :
Lume:
I recall Rond Vidar in his doctor-like lab coat, but can't seem to find the issue(s).
Posted by Fat Cramer on :
Here's one of lab coat Rond, with a very nice image of Invisible Kid leaning on a word balloon.
Posted by kidflash2fan on :
Awesome the doctor with the vegetable look thank you XD
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Um, does anyone have the Who's Who entries for Polecat, Mess, Xera, and Silver Sword?
Posted by BouncingBear on :
Thanks for the pics, I really appreciate that. Does anyone know if there was a pic of Quantum Queen in her original costume..I mean just her alone?
Posted by Lone Wolf Legionnaire on :
I don't know if this helps you out Sarcasm Kid,if you wanted the bios too.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Thank you for the pics but, yeah, I did want the bios as well.
Posted by ActorLad on :
Can someone please post pics of "Brainiac's Daughter/XTC" from Kingdom Come?
Posted by Fat Cramer on :
and a few more from this commentary on Kingdom Come.
Posted by Space Cadet on :
Rimbor -- In what Green Lantern sector?
I'm playing with a few ideas and was wondering if we've ever been told what Green Lantern Sector Rimbor is in. Do we know what planets are close to Rimbor, or if there's ever been a specific Green Lantern for the sector mentioned?
Posted by BouncingBear on :
Does anyone have a pic of Tenzil in his original costume but with the "tooth" symbol on his chest?
Posted by BouncingBear on :
Does anyone have a pic of Chlorophyll Kid in his "fat" costume but showing him not fat? I love the costume but don't want him to be fat.
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Sorry, but let's keep reference questions to this thread only.
I don't believe that Rimbor (or any of the Legionnaires' home worlds) has been designated by Green Lantern space sectors beyond Earth's.
You can always photoshop a tooth onto an image of Matter-Eater Lad's original costume.
And finally, Giffen was the only one to draw that costume as I recall and Ral never appeared thin while wearing it.
Posted by Vee on :
quote:Originally posted by BouncingBear: Thanks for the pics, I really appreciate that. Does anyone know if there was a pic of Quantum Queen in her original costume..I mean just her alone?
quote:Originally posted by Nightcrawler: Sorry, but let's keep reference questions to this thread only.
Actually I think *I'm* the one who should be apologizing, I posted without double-checking.
quote:I don't believe that Rimbor (or any of the Legionnaires' home worlds) has been designated by Green Lantern space sectors beyond Earth's.
That's what I thought, but I was hoping I might at least find some reference to nearby planets that might give a clue as well.
Thanks, Walt Sterdan
Posted by BouncingBear on :
Sorry if I posted in the wrong forum. I thought this was the right one. I don't have photoshop so am unable to cut and paste. I was hoping someone on this board might be able to help out with this. As well as with showing a slimmed down Chlorophyll Kid. If this is the wrong forum, please let me know where to post. Thank you. Also..thank you guys for the pics of Quantum Queen...I really appreciate your efforts. Thanks again!
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
While I would still appreciate the Who's Who bios of Mess, Polecat, Xera, and Silver Sword, for now I have to ask if anyone has good picture of Emerald Eye-possessed Chameleon from the "Emerald Legion". Ivan Brandon's gonna be at Big Apple Con and, judging from a headsketch he did of this Lovecraft-like Sinestro Corpsman, he'd be perfect for it.
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Patience is a virtue, SK, but then, so is persistence. Posted by jimgallagher on :
I"m looking for some drawings that somebody (Drake?) did of the Subs a while back, in which each Sub is displayed as their basic essence and entitled as such. For instance, I think Night Girl was shown with an all black background and entitled "The Dark" Chlorophyl Kid was entitled "The Green": Color Kid, "The Light", etc. Anybody remember these?
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Wanna talk about patience, FC, how about learning the commission you had someone do for you in March you can't get in February because it's being used for the Blackest Night series.
But thanx. I wanted more info on these characters in case I ever get a chance to have a commission of them.
Posted by Fat Cramer on :
quote:Originally posted by jimgallagher: I"m looking for some drawings that somebody (Drake?) did of the Subs a while back, in which each Sub is displayed as their basic essence and entitled as such. For instance, I think Night Girl was shown with an all black background and entitled "The Dark" Chlorophyl Kid was entitled "The Green": Color Kid, "The Light", etc. Anybody remember these?
Yes, those were wonderful! Some of Drake's older artwork isn't being hosted anymore, but I actually printed a copy, I liked that one so much.
This isn't as sharp as the original:
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Posted by jimgallagher on :
Cool! Thanks a lot, Cramer!
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
On another note, does anyone have an issue of Static #14 they can scan? I'm trying to learn more about the "League of Superteens" from that issue.
Posted by Silver Age Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Sarcasm Kid: On another note, does anyone have an issue of Static #14 they can scan? I'm trying to learn more about the "League of Superteens" from that issue.
I have it if someone tells me how to post images or gives me an email address to send it to.
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Wow. Thanx. But, I've got to know, is that monitor board the only information we have on those other characters? i.e. Foxtrot Lass, Super Nazi Fight, Mall Hair Girl?
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Yes.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Oh that just figures. I spend a month going nuts wondering about those characters and now all I have are those symbols and their names.
But thank you anyway, 'Crawler. Reason I'm a bit pissed is because of that list I made.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Okay, I've got one other request.
Does anyone have the Who's Who question for that guy Questar?
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
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Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Does anyone know what martial art Cosmic Boy learned on Braal? I've only seen it mentioned once in the comics and I can't locate it anymore. Are their any other mentions or descriptions of it?
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
I believe it was called Ku-Jui, but I don't recall the source, off-hand.
Posted by jimgallagher on :
Why is there no thread on here about the new Adventure title featuring the Legion?
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Discussion of the current issue can be found here, in The Future is Forever forum.
Posted by Sketch Lad on :
I've never seen either of the Legion Sourcebooks. Should I seek them out? Anybody have any interesting visuals from them to post?
Thanks!
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
I think this is a topic we've talked about on LW, but I can't remember for the life of me if this is available somewhere: is there a list of all Supergirl's appearances with the Legion somewhere? Most Supergirl appearance listings have her entire history, but I just want to know when she was with the Legion. I'm mainly concerned with preboot history and the original Kara Zor-El (if there's additional info, all the merrier).
This would show it, but I'll ask anyway, am I correct that after Chuck & Lu's wedding, Supergirl was not seen again (by the Legionnaires) until the Great Darkness Saga. Unpublished unknown stories notwithstanding Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Do we have physical statistics (such as height, weight, age, hair color, etc.) of the Legionnaires for the pre-boot or are they assumed to be the same as they were after they were booted? Need stats for my game.
Posted by Fat Cramer on :
I believe the Sourcebooks were all text, with stats for the game and other entries about the legionnaires, such as favorite this and that... haiku poems, diary entries. Copies seem pretty hard to find, although I haven't looked lately. I have a couple of photocopied pages somewhere and I'll hunt for and post one later.
Supergirl did show up in the Great Supergirl Robot Saga (SLSH #204) just to say goodbye to everybody, and one final kiss for the green kid. *choke*
I'm not sure about the comparable stats for classic vs pre-boot, but they're available here in the Encyclopedia Galactica forum (Who's Who entries for the classic Legion and stats for the post-boot crew).
Posted by Dev Em on :
The first two Sourcebooks were good resource material. The third one was invaluable if you followed the 5YG storyline. T&M wrote it and it is pretty much considered cannon by this reader. They flash some things out in it.
I recommend it.
Posted by Set on :
Does anyone remember if the Thanagarian woman from Lightning Saga had a name, and if she kept a hold of Dawnstar's Flight Ring?
Second request, there's a picture somewhere in one of the BITs threads of a cover mockup of Nightcrawler standing over a bunch of defeated Legionnaires with the cover-scrawl 'The Demon Who Killed the Legion!' Can anyone link to that? I can't seem to find the thread it's in...
[ January 08, 2010, 08:18 AM: Message edited by: Set ]
Posted by Sketch Lad on :
Thanks for the notes about the sourcebook. It's one of those things that I'd totally buy if it was right there in the shop, but seeking it out, ordering it, blah blah is just.... well, just too much work! ( )
Posted by Jerry on :
The Thanagarian woman was not given a name. She referred to Dawnstar as Neela. In the final panel that she was shown in she was still holding the flight ring. The scene kind of cut off. Red Arrow, Hawkman, Hawkgirl, and Power Girl were still with her at the end of the scene. It's possible they could have taken the ring off panel, but it wasn't referred to again.
Posted by Set on :
quote:Originally posted by Jerry: The Thanagarian woman was not given a name. She referred to Dawnstar as Neela. In the final panel that she was shown in she was still holding the flight ring. The scene kind of cut off. Red Arrow, Hawkman, Hawkgirl, and Power Girl were still with her at the end of the scene. It's possible they could have taken the ring off panel, but it wasn't referred to again.
Awesome, thanks! I was noodling around with a fanfic idea involving the character, and realized that I didn't even remember her name.
Posted by Dev Em on :
quote:Originally posted by Sketch Lad: Thanks for the notes about the sourcebook. It's one of those things that I'd totally buy if it was right there in the shop, but seeking it out, ordering it, blah blah is just.... well, just too much work! ( )
Yeah. I had them all way back when they first came out, but left a lot of stuff at a friends house...and his mom threw all his crap out at some point...including the first two Legion Sourcebooks. I got them again through Ebay at a really good price for a ton of those things.
I plan on transposing some of it at some point...after I get through a few other things I'm working on going strong.
Posted by BouncingBear on :
Does anybody remember who Harlack the Khund wizard that hung out with the White Witch is? I've been trying to find a pic of him and am at a loss.
Posted by Dev Em on :
I remember the name, and I can see the panel in my head...not sure where it is though.
Posted by Sketch Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by BouncingBear: Does anybody remember who Harlack the Khund wizard that hung out with the White Witch is? I've been trying to find a pic of him and am at a loss.
Didn't this occur during the Zombie Legion story 5YL?
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES (Vol. 3) #63 (August 1989) -
LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES (Vol. 4) Annual #4 (1993) -
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
His first appearance was in LSH # 55
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Thanks!
LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES (Vol. 3) #55 (Holiday 1988) -
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Guys, I need a complete dictionary to "Shikari speak". The names she refers to the Legionnaires and everything else.
Posted by BouncingBear on :
Thanks for the info and reference to Harlak. I really appreciate it.
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
I've a question about Colossal Boy. In the original series did Colossal boy acquire his power from a meteor while skiing on the sands of Mars or was this a reboot thing?
Also, in the original series, was he training for the Science Police or was this also only a reboot thing?
Was he known to have any other kinds of knowledge or skills that were notable?
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
It was definitely in the original boot - described briefly in Secrets of the LSH # 1, and in more detail in LSH (Levitz series) # 39.
The only kind of specialized knowledge that he was ever shown to have in the original boot was as a Legion Academy trainer, although I suppose it's not clear from the Tarik story whether his level in that was greater than other Legionnaires.
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Thanks much Chaim Mattis Keller, I found my copy of LSH 39, so I'm going to run through it. I'm putting Colossal Boy together for the Legion game.
Posted by l.e.g.i.o.n.JOHN on :
hey can anybody get me a good screenshot or pic of Violet from the Legion cartoon, need it for a ref, for a violet pic i want to draw.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Aww, now if someone could give me a list of Shikari's vocab for speaking and addressing certain Legionnaires EVERYONE'd be happy.
Posted by Dev Em on :
That's too much work for me right now...sorry kid.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Okay... no more team-ups for a month, mister!
Posted by Dev Em on :
Hey now.
Posted by Set on :
That was just an insanely cool idea that the cartoon peeps had, allowing Violet to get to use her powers in the bottle city to be Colossal Lass.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Sorry mister, you'll just have to make due with the ones you've got.
Posted by BouncingBear on :
Does anyone have a pic of Ion and Lume?
Who were the inmates of Planet Hell. Was Planet Hell the reboot version of Takron-Galtos?
Posted by Sketch Lad on :
Posted by Sketch Lad on :
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Can someone tell me who Lume is? I keep hearing about her but I have no idea WHO she, or hir, it, is.
Posted by Dev Em on :
And how exactly did that end?
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Well, anyway, if I can't get a guide to "Shikari speak" can I see some scans of the Who's Who entries for Marella Tao and Questar?
Posted by BouncingBear on :
And I need a scan of lume!
Posted by BouncingBear on :
Does anyone know any info on Tomb, Cannus and Brawlwer. I have no idea what their powers and origins are. I have a scan of Brawler and Cannus but not of Tomb.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Does anyone have any scans from Big Bang Comics #18? I need some scans of a character named Snowstar.
Posted by Fat Cramer on :
quote:Originally posted by BouncingBear: And I need a scan of lume!
There's a picture of Lume on Page 39 of this thread, in response to your previous request.
Posted by BouncingBear on :
thank you. I must be getting Alzhimer's. :-)
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
quote:Originally posted by Sarcasm Kid: Well, anyway, if I can't get a guide to "Shikari speak" can I see some scans of the Who's Who entries for Marella Tao and Questar?
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
quote:Originally posted by BouncingBear: Does anyone know any info on Tomb, Cannus and Brawlwer. I have no idea what their powers and origins are. I have a scan of Brawler and Cannus but not of Tomb.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
quote:Originally posted by BouncingBear: thank you. I must be getting Alzhimer's. :-)
That's not funny.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Sorry, Alzheimer's is kind of a sore spot for me. Yet I laugh about it when it's on Drawn Together.
And thanks for the scans.
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
quote:Originally posted by Sarcasm Kid: Does anyone have any scans from Big Bang Comics #18? I need some scans of a character named Snowstar.
Here's most of the Legion-inspired pages (including Snowstar) from that issue -
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
You have NO idea how grateful I am. I was going nuts looking for pictures of Snowstar.
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Since we're on the subject here's more about the Pantheon (from Pantheon of Heroes)-
quote:Pantheon of Heroes (a.k.a. The Pantheon of Super Heroes)
Enemies: Timebomber, Oblivia, formerly Savage Dragon
Base of Operations: Empire City
First Appearance: Big Bang #12
History: The Pantheon of Heroes (aka The Pantheon of Super Heroes) was a large team of teenage superhumans operating in Earth A's 30th century. First seen in the year 2965, the Pantheon was known to still be an active team until at least 2988.
The adventures of the 20th century teenage heroine, Ultragirl (the daughter of Earth A's Ultiman) were the inspiration for the team and their base was in in Ultiman's home town of Empire City. The Pantheon's original headquarters resembled a space craft (it looks quite functional), but by 2973 they had moved into a large citadel.
Each member had to have at least one actual super power of their own, with auditions being held each month for new members. The Pantheon's advanced technology enabled them to travel through time (with the aid of "time pills" and later "time belts"), which was useful in fighting their arch enemy, the mysterious "Timebomber". (For many years, The Pantheon wrongly believed that the Timebomber was the 20th century hero, the Savage Dragon, who was reluctantly being blasted through the timesestream).
This technology enabled Ultragirl herself to travel to the 30th Century and become a member of the Pantheon, being able to fly into the future with the aid of a hand-held device called a "time-cube".
Comments: Profile by Chris Adams.
Following is a list of all known Pantheon members, with their first appearance and whatever details about them that have been revealed so far . . . . . .
ANGELFISH - (BB # 18) Real name: Unknown. Powers: Unknown, but presumably amphibious.
BRAIN BOY - (BB # 18) Real Name: Unknown. Powers: Has an enlarged cranium, housing a brain of superior intellect. By concentration, he can "expand his incredible mind", making his head and brain even larger.
BUTTERFLY QUEEN - (BB # 18) Real Name: Unknown. Powers: Unknown, presumably she can fly.
CLONE BOY - (BB # 12) Real Name: Dubba. Powers: Clone Boy can create multiple copies of himself. He and the clones can also become a "genetic duplicate" of anyone else by using "the originals DNA pattern as a blueprint". Thus, although he can not duplicate memories, he can duplicate another individuals super powers for a brief time. Clone Boy has pale blue skin and anttenae. Dates Snowstar.
DEVIL BOY - Real Name: Unknown. Powers: Can apparently contact the dead by holding a seance. (Note: This hero has not actually appeared in person, he is mentioned in passing in ULTIMAN FAMILY # 1).
DRAGONFIST - (BB # 18) Real Name: Unknown. Powers: Martial artist. (Note: this hero was formally known as Combat Kid. He had adopted the name "Dragonfist" by the year 2973).
GALACTIC LAD - (BB # 18) Real Name: Noa Zark. Powers: Superhuman strength, which he can increase up to "level ten".
GOLDEN GIRL - (BB # 18) Real Name: Unknown. Powers: Unknown.
GHOST GIRL - (BB # 18) Real Name: Mariah Vesper. Powers: Originally, she was able to seperate her "soul self" from her corporeal body. While her soul self was on a mission, her body was destroyed by a run gun blast. Denied the afterlife, Mariah is trapped on Earth as a ghost. She usually assumes a solid, visible form, but she can shift into "phantasm form", becoming immaterial and able to possess other's bodies for a time.
GRAVITY GIRL - (BB # 12) Real Name: Unknown. Powers: "Can affect the weight and density of any object or person, making them super light or super heavy".
JUPITER BOY - (BB # 12) Real Name: Unknown. Powers: Jupiter Boy is actually a "cathode giant, a living electric dynamo from the planet Jupiter" who took on human form. (Note: Jupiter Boy was the founder and first leader of The Pantheon. He sacrificed his life to save the universe, declaring his love for Ultragirl with his dying breath. He is honoured by a life size gold statue in The Pantheon's "Hall of Heroes".
LAUGHING BOY - (BB # 12) Real Name: Shemp Babbit. Powers: Able to manipulate the emotions of others by mind control, assuming an appropriate facial expression as he does so. (Note: Laughing Boy is The Pantheon's "resident class clown").
NATURE BOY - (BB # 18) Real Name: Unknown. Powers: Unknown, presumably connected to plant life. (Note: this hero is known to have been an ally of The Pantheon in the year 2973. He is said to have been killed by the villainess Oblivia by the year 2988. it is unclear if or when Nature Boy actually became a member).
PHOTON - (BB # 18) Real Name: Unknown. Powers: Unknown, presumably light based. (Note: this heorine was formally known as Lamp Lass. She had adopted the name "Photon" by the year 2973).
SNOWSTAR - (BB # 18) Real Name: Unknown. Powers: The "mistress of winter wizardry", she is able to create miniture blizzards. Dates Clone Boy.
TELEGIRL - (BB # 18) Real Name: Unknown. Powers: ESP (Extra Sensory Perception) which allows her to read other peoples minds. (Note: Telegirl is the only member of The Pantheon known to have visited the 20th century, using her "time pills" to travel from the year 2969 to New York city, 1981).
ULTRAGIRL - (MEGATON # 1) Real Name: Christie Kelly. Powers: Ultragirl has the same powers as the Ultiman of Earth A.
Christine "Christie" Kelly is the daughter of Chris (Ultiman) Kelly and his ex-wife, Arlene. Ultiman's career ended sometime in the late 20th century, when his daughter paid him an unexpected visit while he was recharging his powers from the radioactive meteor that he had first encountered as an astronaut.
As Christie entered the room, the equipment controlling the flow of radiation malfunctioned, exposing Chris Kelly to more radiation than ever before. Then something exploded, bathing both father and daughter with massive doses of radiation. Christie came round some time later, to find a hole smashed through a wall and herself wearing a modified version of Ultiman's costume. Not only was she unharmed, but she had also developed "Ultiman" like powers. (The radiation would have been deadly to most people, but Christie had inherited her fathers ability to metabolize it into superpowers).
Chris Kelly had become a glowing, mindless monster, rampaging through the streets of San Bernado, California. Calling herself "Ultragirl", Christie teamed up with a new superhero called Megaton (who Ultiman had promised to train shortly before the accident) to capture her father for his own good. Easily defending himself against the inexperienced young heroes, Ultiman was gradually coming to his senses when his body expelled the excess energy, returning him to normal. and stunning both Ultragirl and Megaton.
Chris Kelly was horrified when he realised that he he was draining the life out of his daughter. His body had now become dependant on the meteor's radiation and with the meteor destroyed in the explosion, the only source of that energy was Christie.
Not wishing to risk his daughters life, the now powerless Chris Kelly asked Megaton to tell her "and the world that Ultiman died saving her from that monster" and rapidly left the scene. He has not been seen since. Christie made a full recovery, and with what seem to be permanantly charged powers became a superhero in her own right. She became romantically involved with Megaton (formally an actor who she had a crush on as a child) and joined The Pantheon of Heroes, being able to fly to their future era with the aid of a hand held device called a "time-cube".
Ultragirl fills the role of Supergirl in BIG BANG, but there is far more to her than that. Originally a supporting character in the MEGATON series, (she first appeared in "MEGATON" # 1 in 1983) Christie Kelly's backstory became the foundation for the entire Big Bang universe!
Her father was originally known as "Ultraman" and was a bit of a jerk. It seems that in the first version of the story, he was trying to rid himself of his powers, rather than recharge him. By the time of the revised origin as told above (in MEGATON # 7 April 1987) he had become the more traditional hero that BB readers are familiar with.
Despite her importance, Ultragirl has made very few appearances within the pages of BIG BANG, as by definition, her career begins after the "retro" period it covers.
As for the Pantheon of Heroes, they are an open love letter to DC's Legion of Super Heroes and are perhaps the best thing to come out of BIG BANG. Their debut in BB # 12 captures the spirit of the early years of the LSH in just two pages. Their return in BB # 18 harks back to the Legion's glory days in the early 1970's (the cover is even by Dave Cockrum).
While the premise and setting of The Pantheon are identical to the LSH, some members such as ANGELFISH, DEVIL BOY, GOLDEN GIRL and PHOTON seem wholly original. A few of their members are just straightforward copies of the Legionnaires, but most are clever combinations of them, their supporting cast and other heroes:
Anti-Matter Lad = Wildfire & Mano (of the Fatal Five).
Brain Boy = Brainiac 5 & Evolvo Lad (of The Heroes of Lallor).
Butterfly Queen = Insect Queen (aka Lana Lang)
Clone Boy = Chameleon Boy, Duplicate Boy (of The Heroes of Lallor), Duo Damsel and Brainiac 5.
Dragonfist = Karate Kid
Galactic Lad = Ultra Boy
Ghost Girl = Phantom Girl, Duo Damsel, Deadman (20th century hero) and Marvel Comics Dr Strange.
Gravity Girl = Star Boy and Light Lass (and looks a lot like Duo Damsel).
Jupiter Boy = Mon-El, Superboy and Lightning Lad.
Laughing Boy = Psyche (of The Wanderers) and Pscho Pirate (20th century villain).
Nature Boy = Chlorophyll Kid (of the Legion of Substitute Heroes).
Snowstar = Polar Boy (and looks like Phantom Girl).
Telegirl = Saturn Girl.
Ultragirl = Supergirl and Superboy.
The Pantheon of heroes first appeared as part of the "Timebomber" storyline that ran in BIG BANG # 12, 14, 18 & 33, with a "Who's Who" checklist in BB #22. A further adventure appeared (in colour) in ULTIMAN FAMILY # 1, Feb 2005.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
At least they were nice enough to name and draw every member.
Posted by cleome on :
Does anyone feel like reminding me what Mars was like during the "present day" of Levitz' first two tenures? (It feels really odd, writing that last bit.)
Pictures are encouraged, if you've got 'em.
Thanks.
Okay, Wikipedia says that Levitz shares a birthday with my kid brother. That's just weird.
[ February 01, 2010, 10:19 PM: Message edited by: cleome ]
Posted by lil'rhino on :
quote:Originally posted by Sarcasm Kid: Guys, I need a complete dictionary to "Shikari speak". The names she refers to the Legionnaires and everything else.
The ones I remember are:
Cosmic Boy- Founder Legion Umbra- Dark Legion Monstress- Large Legion Saturn Girl-Fair Legion
She had names for Ultra Boy & Kid Quantum (maybe Jazmin Legion?) too and she referred to Chameleon as Ka-mee-ly-on. I don't remember her giving Live Wire a nickname.
Posted by Matthew E on :
Ultra Boy was Bold Legion, I remember that. Was Brainy Green Legion or Smart Legion? Wildfire was just Wildfire. Kid Quantum might have been Brown Legion.
Posted by lil'rhino on :
I just remembered that in Dream Crime, she refers to Sensor as Coiled Legion.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
OMG thank you guys! I really need this for my Wanderers script.
Now, um, ahem, I'm still on my League of Super-Teens and Pantheon of Heroes thing, does anyone have any good scans of the "Logjam of Super-Heroes" from the Mr. Mxyzptlk New Year's Evil special?
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
OMG thank you!
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
More Pantheon -
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Hey guys, if they have Butler-Eater Lad, why not...
Bonnie Blue Butler-Eater Lad.
Posted by Pete Ross on :
I'm trying to index the "1,050 Years of the Future" tradepaperback, and trying to determine the source of the Legion Constitution article in there. It says it's adapted from Who's Who in the Legion of Super-Heroes #2-6; but that is really sourced from The Legion of Super-Heroes #308-310. But there are some changes from those; some deletions, but also two additions, and names of postboot Legionnaries in clause 7.11.
I find we have a postboot version of the constitution here that also has those changes. Where was that printed in the comics?
Posted by Pete Ross on :
Ah, I found it. It's from Legion of Super-Heroes Secret Files #2.
The "1,050 Years of the Future" tradepaperback reprints it as-is (including the graphics at the bottom), despite sourcing it from "Who's Who in the Legion of Super-Heroes".
Posted by Matthew E on :
Does anyone have any screenshots from the cartoon?
I'm looking for a couple of images in particular:
- Kell-El standing on the bridge of the Legion spaceship, saying, "The cloud is singing to us?!" from the Ayla episode
- Nemesis Kid offering to do Karate Kid's laundry
I'd be really grateful if anyone could hook me up with either or both of these.
Posted by Matt Kramer on :
If anyone has an actual size scan of the cover to the Illustrated Index of the Legion of Super Heroes #2, the Swan cover with the Legionnaires all standing around a table, I'd greatly appreciate it. I'm going to start binding my Superboy & the Legion run and I think that'd make an incredible cover to the volume, or background for a table of contents.
Thanks!!!
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
What was the name of the final comic series the original characters appeared in? Was it Legion of Super-Heroes volume ? Was it Tales of the Legion?
Posted by Jerry on :
The answer to that question probably depends on who you ask, and how you define the "original characters".
For me, the original characters final appearance was in Legion of Super-Heroes #61 (v. 4, 1989 series). This would have been at the conclusion of the "End of the Era" story that was published in conjunction with the Zero Hour event. The reboot Legion then starred in that same series starting with issue #62. I consider the Five Years Later team to still be the originals.
Other fans may define the last Paul Levitz story as the final appearance of the originals. That would have been Legion of Super-Heroes #63 (v.3, 1984 series). It would have been after the "Magic Wars" story that wrapped up in the final issue of the 1984 series. It would have occurred right before Five Years Later.
Other fans may get a bit more technical, and say that Legion of Super-Heroes #4 (v.4, 1989 series) was the last appearance of the originals. The explanation here would be that the originals appeared in the first four issues after the five year gap, and Mon-El's destruction of the Time Trapper, in issue #5, put into motion a series of events that created the Mordruverse, and then a rebooted team (that included Kid Quantum and Laurel Gand as early members).
Still others may say the original team ended with the death of Superboy and the introduction of the pocket universe. That would make the final appearance of the originals Legion of Super-Heroes #36 (v.3, 1984 series).
No matter which of those answers you pick, the end of "Tales of the Legion" would not be the last appearance of the originals. Tales was printed in conjunction with LSH v.3, the 1984 series. It picked up the numbering from the final issue of LSH v.2, the 1980 series. After the first twelve issues it just reprinted stories from v.3. It had more to with direct sales marketing then any change in the definition of the team.
I hope I didn't totally confuse you, Phantom Girl !?! That's the best I can do.
[ February 12, 2010, 08:47 PM: Message edited by: Jerry ]
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Oops!
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Posted by Phantom Girl on :
I pretty much followed you. At this point for purposes of my game I'll go with V4, 1989. I've got some of those comics sitting on the shelf yet to be read. As for the 5 year gap, that I'm still confused on. I have no idea what the comic looked like, if that's what it was actually called, if I own any?
What is the actual title of this comic run and how many issues were there? I may have some unread and not even know it.
Posted by Lone Wolf Legionnaire on :
Here you go Matt,I hope this will do.
I kind of guesstimated the size.
And heres one with a logo.
Posted by Matt Kramer on :
Thanks so much for the assistance! I can't wait to get these bound. I'm hopefully picking up the last seven issues of Superboy & the LoSH that I need today. After that, I'll have a complete Legion run from Adventure #338 to current, with scattered issues before that.
Posted by Jerry on :
quote:Originally posted by Phantom Girl: I pretty much followed you. At this point for purposes of my game I'll go with V4, 1989. I've got some of those comics sitting on the shelf yet to be read. As for the 5 year gap, that I'm still confused on. I have no idea what the comic looked like, if that's what it was actually called, if I own any?
What is the actual title of this comic run and how many issues were there? I may have some unread and not even know it.
The Five Years Later (5YL) era started with issue number one of Legion of the Super-Heroes (v. 4, 1989 series). After Levitz left at the end of the previous series, Keith Giffen became the main writer. He started with an all new issue number one. The first page of the first issue had FIVE YEARS LATER printed in big bold letters.
In the missing five years the Legion had been disbanded by the government of Earth and most members had left the planet. Reep Daggle, the former Chameleon Boy, began his quest to put a new Legion team together.
This new team was featured in issues #1 through #61 of Legion of Super-Heroes (v.4, 1989 series).
In issue #25, the SW6 Legionnaires were introduced. They were younger duplicates of the Legion who appeared be plucked out of the time stream in the mid to late Adventure Comics era. As readers, we had to guess whether the they were clones or time displaced dopplegangers, or maybe the older team was really the clones.
The younger SW6 team was eventually given their own comic which was called Legionnaires. That team was featured in Legionnaires #1 through #18.
In 1994, DC decided to replace both the 5YL team and SW6 team with a single rebooted version of the Legion. They used the crossover event Zero Hour to make the switch.
The reboot team was featured in Legion of Super-Heroes (v.4, 1989 series) #62 through #125.
The reboot team was also being featured at the same time in Legionnaires #19 through #81.
Posted by Lone Wolf Legionnaire on :
quote:Originally posted by Matt Kramer: Thanks so much for the assistance! I can't wait to get these bound. I'm hopefully picking up the last seven issues of Superboy & the LoSH that I need today. After that, I'll have a complete Legion run from Adventure #338 to current, with scattered issues before that.
Your welcome, I like about 20 issues of Adventure myself to finish my run of the original Legion.
How does the binding issues work,and how much does it cost.
Love the show by the way, great interview with Mr.Levitz, nice to hear someone else take up for Karate Kid (Val Armorr).
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
We've got a pretty large size version of the image hosted here at Legion World that I used to make our SDCC banner -
I am looking for a full relatively recent appearance list in chronological order. I assume that one exists, but I am having trouble finding it. Can anyone point me in the right direction
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
is there one here with the 80s and 90s
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
In the Dark Knight Strikes Again, did anyone else notice the girl who was dressed up as Ultra Boy? Does anyone have a scan of that?
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Here's all of the Legion costumes I could find -
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Thanx, it's just, this was driving me nuts, trying to find any mention of "Ultra Chick".
Posted by wndola1 on :
what issues of Zero Hour feature the legion?
Posted by wndola1 on :
I'm trying to figure out my binding plan and I need to know which Zero Hour issues are essential and or which Valor issues are involved in crossovers
Posted by Silver Age Lad on :
This is the Zero Hour order:
Legionnaires 17 Valor 22 Legion of Super-Heroes (V4) 60 L.E.G.I.O.N. ‘94 69 Showcase 94 8 Showcase 94 9 Zero hour 4 L.E.G.I.O.N. ‘94 70 Legionnaires 18 Valor 23 Superboy (V3) 8 Zero hour 3 Zero hour 2 Legion of Super-Heroes (V4) 61 Zero hour 1 Zero hour 0
The Showcase issues have no Legion content but set the scene for Zero hour (as opposed to End of an Era)
Zero Hour 4 only features the Time Trapper - no Legionnaires.
Posted by wndola1 on :
any idea where I can find a full set of monitor board Icons
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
I've never even heard of those LSH pages in Dark Knight Strikes Back before. And was Miller phoning in the art? What's up with that?
Posted by Dev Em on :
That thing was a train wreck overall...some decent ideas that seemed to go horribly wrong. At least that was my impression when I read it years ago.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
To be quiet honest, aside from Batman Year One and Carrie Kelly, I find Miller is very overrated.
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
I'm in need of a species of beings from the Legion comics that is likely to be in favor of specie cleansing. Ideally the species (or individual) would be a member of the U.P. but if they are not I can work around it as well. Another good alternative would be a established villain who might be interested in specie cleansing.
PG
[ May 01, 2010, 03:56 PM: Message edited by: Phantom Girl ]
Posted by cleome on :
quote:Originally posted by Sarcasm Kid: To be quiet honest, aside from Batman Year One and Carrie Kelly, I find Miller is very overrated.
You can join my support group. Even Dark Knight, to me, is an eyesore and not very good.
Posted by Jerry on :
quote:Originally posted by Phantom Girl: I'm in need of a species of beings from the Legion comics that is likely to be in favor of specie cleansing. Ideally the species (or individual) would be a member of the U.P. but if they are not I can work around it as well. Another good alternative would be a established villain who might be interested in specie cleansing.
PG
A group comes to mind, for me, before a species. That group is the White Triangle from the reboot. A wing of the White Triangle was made up of the race Daxamites - supposedly they were racist because their lead poisoning made them fearful of leaving their home world.
[ May 01, 2010, 10:57 PM: Message edited by: Jerry ]
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
The White Triangle was a loose affiliation of anti-alien groups on a variety of planets, with the Daxamites ultimately manipulating the rest. It's kind of an interesting concept, actually: "Rascists of the world (universe) unite!"
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
The plot I started working on involves space terrorists that are hired to clean out racially impure species throughout the U.P.
The ones that they would try and discourage and establish bad relations with are those who appear less human than most of the species in the galaxy. This isn't written in stone but is where I was headed. A PC belongs to such a race and they attempted to eliminate her. They also poisoned another U.P. Ambassador and I was intending on him having non-human features as well. So I'm looking for a suitable bad guy who would have hired the space terrorists to do the dirty work.
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
I have a question...does anyone know why "Of Leaders and Lovers" from LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES V2 #291 was redrawn from Howard Bender and Rodin Rodrigues art to Keith Giffen and Larry Mahlstedt art for the GREAT DARKNESS SAGA TPB?
Was it a royalty issue of some sort? Bender's work appeared from LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES V2 #300 into the LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES 1050 YEARS OF THE FUTURE TPB in 2008, so does that mean the issue was with Rodrigues or something else?
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
I've a question about Legion annuals. Here's what I have....
The Legion of Super-Heroes #1 1982 The Legion of Super-Heroes #2 1983 The Legion of Super-Heroes #3 1984
These issues belong to the original legion, did they publish additional ones after issue #3?
I also have..... Legion of Super-Heroes #3 1987, I am assuming that this is also the original Legion due to the year, why is it listed as #3?
I also have.... Tales of the Legion of Super-Heroes #5, 1987 Appears to be original Legion as well.
I also have..... Legion of Super-Heroes #1, 1990, is this the original Legion or the 2nd boot? Apparently Phantom Girl dies at the end.
I also have.... Legion of Super-Heroes #2, 1991, The Legends of Valor.
I also have.... Legion of Super-Heroes #3, 1992, The all new feral Timber Wolf, a reboot annual?
I also have.... Legion of Super-Heroes #4, 1993, Bloodlines Earthplague. Is this reboot as well?
I also have.... Legion of Super-Heroes #7, 1996. Is this a reboot comic?
Can somone please tell me which comics go with the original Legion and those with the reboot Legion. Also which Annuals I'm missing and which Legion they are for as well.
These are not annuals, but how many Secret Files and Origins were printed that included the original Legion and how many for the re-boot Legion?
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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Okay, so your first three annuals go with LSH volume 2, which later becomes Tales of the LSH. So, your TotLSH Annual #5 is part of the same series as the first 3.
Your '87 #3 goes with LSH, volume 3, so it's a different series.
The 90s annuals all go with LSH, volume 4. Up until 1995, they concern the 5 years later team. Beginning in '95, they feature the reboot team.
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
quote:Originally posted by Phantom Girl: These are not annuals, but how many Secret Files and Origins were printed that included the original Legion and how many for the re-boot Legion?
None for the original Legion as they were long gone before these became in vogue. Three of them were made for the reboot Legion:
Legionnaires Annual #1 1994, #2 1995 & #3 1996
Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
The Legion of Super-Heroes Annual #1 1982 - the very 1st annual; original Legion.
The Legion of Super-Heroes Annual #2 1983 - wedding of Projectra/Karate Kid, but most of the story involves some trapped in ancient Earth. original Legion.
The Legion of Super-Heroes Annual #3 1984 - attempt to revive Mordru. original Legion.
then the numbering both starts over to line up with the new monthly series (vol 3 ran #s 1-61 in the mid-late 80s, with vol. 2 (259-313) changing names to Tales of the Legion (314-354ish, becoming reprints around 326)
The Legion of Super-Heroes Annual #1 1985 - "Who Shot Laurel Kent?" original Legion. Reprinted the following year as Tales of the Legion of Super-Heroes Annual #4 - 1986 - a continuation of the numbering of the 1st three annuals
The Legion of Super-Heroes Annual #2 1986 - Validus and Darkseid's curse. original Legion. Reprinted the following year as Tales of the Legion of Super-Heroes Annual #5 - 1987
The Legion of Super-Heroes Annual #3 1987 - the new Legion of Substitute Heroes. original Legion.
The Legion of Super-Heroes Annual #4 1988 - Starfinger. original Legion.
then the numbering restarts to align with monthly volume 4, which some people consider original Legion, but other do not. It is generally not called a reboot, though; it is often referred to as 5YL (five years later, an era that was published from roughly late 1989 to August 1994):
Legion of Super-Heroes annual #1, 1990, Ultra Boy's history, culminating in the seeming death of Tinya. 5YL continuity, although set as a revision to original Legion stories.
Legion of Super-Heroes #2, annual 1991, The Legends of Valor. 5YL continuity, although set as a revision to original Legion stories.
Legion of Super-Heroes annual #3, 1992, The all new feral Timber Wolf. 5YL.
Legion of Super-Heroes annual #4, 1993, Bloodlines Earthplague. Still 5YL, not reboot Often considered the worst Legion story ever published.
Legion of Super-Heroes annual #5, 1994. Elseworlds (a wizard of oz homage). 5YL.
Legionnaires Annual #1, 1994. Elseworlds (Arthurian homage). (not really 5YL or Reboot; uses styles used in both, but takes place off on its own)
After these comes the Reboot (Sept 1994)
Legion of Super-Heroes annual #6, 1995. Year One; Shvaugn reviews the origins of three Legionnaires. Reboot.
Legionnaires Annual #2, 1995. Year One; culmination of major story arc running through both LSH vol 4 and Legionnaires series. Reboot.
Legion of Super-Heroes annual #6, 1996. Legends of the Dead Earth .In the distant future, Wildfire runs a new Legion. Reboot.
Legionnaires Annual #3, 1996. Legends of the Dead Earth. XS is lost in time, trying to return to the 2990s. Reboot.
another annual of note:
Supergirl Annual 2, 1997. Pulp Heroes/Young Romance theme. Guest-stars Reboot Legionnaires stuck in the 20th century, especially Brainiac 5 (cover appearance as well)
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Hey, thanks so much, I appreciate both of you posting, clears it up for me. Guess I'm missing quite a few Annuals. Bummer. Maybe I'll find them at the comic convention tomorrow.
"Legion of Super-Heroes annual #1, 1990, Ultra Boy's history, culminating in the seeming death of Tinya. 5YL continuity, although set as a revision to original Legion stories."
This part I don't follow very well though. The 5YL continuity was....What the Legion was doing during the 5 year gap, right?
Does the annual take place during the gap or afterwards? Does the original Phantom Girl appear in any stories afterwards or was she dead as in very dead? This is the original Phantom Girl were talking about right?
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Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
The regular 5YL monthly series took place after a 5-year gap; a five full years were skipped over between vol. 3 #63 and the next published issue, vol.4 #1.
The 1st two annuals take place mostly before the gap; Tinya's disappearance was very early in the gap.
we only occasionally got a glimpse of what transpired during those 5 years. Tinya vanishing was one of those rare glimpses.
The first two annuals of that run (Ultra Boy and Valor) take place more during classic Legion times, but adding modifications to the timeline made to satisfy the Superman editors (who wanted no trace of Superboy or Supergirl, or the name Mon-El). This was done in-story by Glorith replacing the Time Trapper in Legion continuity - with others changes as a result.
with the Ultra Boy story, we get more backstory on his origins than we've usually seen, and the story ties together various threads that UB was involved with over the years (especially in the Adventure Comics era). Jo and Marla seeking to find Valor replaces their mission to discover Superboy's secret identity in Superboy #98 (Jo's 1st appearance). The story of Jo faking going bad comes from the #310s of Adventure (I forget which issue). The early strategies against Mordru were new, but in Mordru's 1st appearance (Adventure #369, I think) we are led to believe he and the Legion have a history already, prior to his captivity (known to everyone but Shadow Lass, then a newbie).
The writers opted to use the changed continuity to tie together things that hadn't totally fit, as well, like the integration of Brainy's insanity and the framing of Jo for An Ryd's murder (vol. 2 # 238, or thereabouts) to outside forces (Glorith).
The battle with Glorith with Valor, Laurel, Imra, Querl, Lu and Rond corresponds to vol. 3, #50, when all of those except Laurel) took on the Time Trapper.
So the Annual #1 was the first glimpse at how Legion fans of 1990 were seeing some of the changes made to pre-existing Legion history.
The engagement and then disappearance of Tinya had been hinted at, but not shown before. Tinya's disappearance.presumed death had already been mentioned in vol. 4 #2 of the monthly, and the time-manipulations hinted at in #3.
Readers of the book L.E.G.I.O.N. at that same time (precursor of (R.E.B.E.L.S.) were led to believe that the character of Phase was actually Tinya lost in time, but with her memory erased.
In 1994, Jo learns that Tinya may be lost in time, not dead, and he tracks down Phase, right before Zero Hour. He discovers it was actually Tinya's identical twin cousin (so under the Patty Duke rule, she presumably had a British accent ). During End of an Era, Jo and Tinya are briefly reunited.
But it gets weirder.
During the Reboot, we find out that Phase actually is Tinya - sort of. In the Reboot, Tinya is killed off, but returns as an intangeable phantom only Jo, her mom and Imra can see. Then later the others get to see her. When they meet Phase in the 20th Century, they find out that Reboot Tinya's dad is actually a Carggite, and so Tinya the Legionnaire has three bodies, too. Dad sold two of them into slavery to pay off his gambling debts, so she grew up alone. Phase Tinya grew up working in casinos,but somehow wound up in the past. The two merged into one, so Tinya had her body back for the rest of the Reboot; the 3rd body was never revealed.
So readers were initially led to believe Phase was original PG, then they were led to believe she wasn't. Then she turned out to be part of Reboot Tinya.
In 5YL, we see original Tinya towards the very end, but we also see a younger Tinya as part of the SW6 Legion, a version of the Adventure Comics Legion 17 years younger than the other Legion. This Legion then takes new names/costumes and originates the Legionnaires series pre-Zero Hour;many of these style changes are kept into the new Reboot era.
The SW6 Legion appeared in the shadows after the lunar explosion in vol.4 #19, but we didn't really see them until the final page of #24. They appeared frequently #25 through #41, after which they moved over to the new Legionnaires book.
there. simple, yes? Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
I forgot: with the SW6 Legion, the intent was to make readers wonder which was the real Legion, and which were the clones (there were lts of clues around that the Legion had been cloned - building upon bits of stories over the years and tying them together). As intended, the older Legion were going to be the clones, but then DC changed its mind and they were both real Legions all along, just from a splitting of timelines.
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
WOW! That's all I got to say is WOW! How on earth does a person keep track of all that. Obviously you did. Thank You.
Posted by Mattropolis on :
quote:Originally posted by Nightcrawler: I have a question...does anyone know why "Of Leaders and Lovers" from LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES V2 #291 was redrawn from Howard Bender and Rodin Rodrigues art to Keith Giffen and Larry Mahlstedt art for the GREAT DARKNESS SAGA TPB?
Was it a royalty issue of some sort? Bender's work appeared from LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES V2 #300 into the LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES 1050 YEARS OF THE FUTURE TPB in 2008, so does that mean the issue was with Rodrigues or something else?
I just always assumed that since it was the only chapter of the Great Darkness that was not by that team, they redid it for consistency...
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Actually, that's not true. The opening sequence is by Broderick and Curt Swan and others provided the art for the Annual that is included.
Posted by Mattropolis on :
That's right... I had forgotten that...
Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
Does anyone recall any of the Teachers on Xerox ever being individually named? Mysa's mentors, who we saw a bit of during Great Darkness and Magic Wars?
Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
also, can anyone remind me of the name of the Earth president during Threeboot? The cougar that Garth was flirting with?
Posted by stuorstew on :
That was President Kin'thea Kieselbach
Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
thanks!
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Guys, who was the first Legionnaire to join after Trip and Phantom Girl?
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Either way, it's a bit up for debate as Chameleon Boy, Colossal Boy and Invisible Kid (both boots - more in the Post-Boot) joined at the same time.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Doesn't matter which. Thank you. Someone on ff.net needed to know.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Um, is it alright with everyone that I started a similar thread in the Titans section?
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Why not?
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Well I just though that since there IS one here in case anyone has any Titans questions.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Guys I don't mean to be annoying but if anyone could answer my question here...
Right. I did see it too. Was planning to help this weekend. Patience, grasshopper, patience.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Um, guys, this isn't really a Legion question but I didn't want to start another post. If you want I'll take the question down.
For those of you who ever read the Bloodlines Crossover from 1994, that one character who could turn her arms into blades, Razorsharp, could she turn them back? Or were they stuck like that?
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Back and forth as I recall.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Thank you. It's just, all the pictures I've seen of her have her arms in blade form and descriptions just say she can turn them into blades, not whether or not it goes back and forth.
Posted by future king on :
I remember that character ... and how she creeped me out with her powers. Eeeeek!
Posted by Matthew E on :
What are some good examples of Chameleon Boy doing some good detective work?
Posted by stuorstew on :
The best examples I can think of would be his efforts to track down Starfinger 2 and clearing Jo following the death of An Ryd.
Posted by Matthew E on :
Those sound promising. Thanks.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
The Janice Warren story is a nice example as well, and possibly the first where he really gets to play detective.
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
And the "Arcturan Jewel Case" in SLSH # 249.
Posted by Mattropolis on :
also the Who shot Laurel Kent story
Posted by Rich Burton on :
What is the current marital status of Lightning Lad and Saturn Girl? I noticed that their kids are appearing in the new series but I thought they were only married in an earlier version of the LSH. Please bear with me, I'm new here!
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Currently they are married.
The current version of the team restores much of the pre-Crisis history. In theory, at least.
Posted by Kent on :
Rich, feel free to ask Qs! That's what this thread is for.
As EDE said, in many ways this new series picks up where the 80s series left off. So a lot (but not all) of 1958-1989 is restored to the backstory.
Posted by Set on :
I recently read about some worlds with alien characters in the Legionverse and have had no luck finding out more about them;
Does anyone know anything about the world of Houp (natives could turn into electricity, or were always made out of electricity), Ankar (natives had some sort of ultravision power) or Zyni'ir (natives had psionic powers)?
IIRC, a native of Ankar was featured in the Night Girl back-up story (the one also starring Sinde). There's also a giant Ankarian toad featured in Adv. 358 (the story with the Hunter). Ankar is a perpetually dark world, whose natives can see in the dark, if I'm remembering things right. (They may have "radar vision", or something, now that I think about it).
Huop is the source of one of the alien moneys featured in Adv. 350 and 377. Its natives use money made of energy.
Posted by Set on :
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: IIRC, a native of Ankar was featured in the Night Girl back-up story (the one also starring Sinde). There's also a giant Ankarian toad featured in Adv. 358 (the story with the Hunter). Ankar is a perpetually dark world, whose natives can see in the dark, if I'm remembering things right. (They may have "radar vision", or something, now that I think about it).
Huop is the source of one of the alien moneys featured in Adv. 350 and 377. Its natives use money made of energy.
Awesome, you rock! Someone was running a Legion game over on the Mutants & Masterminds forums, and had a list of UP worlds where the natives had super-powers, and I didn't recognize those four, and even teh Google could only find Seeris!
Fortunately for me, your brain is of Coluan caliber and superior to any mere earth technology. Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Does anyone have any scans of Dolores Pratchet, the Satan Girl from Peter David's Supergirl series?
Posted by lil'rhino on :
What issue #? I'll see if I can find it & scan it.
Posted by lil'rhino on :
I found this on Google: Posted by Ken Arromdee on :
quote:Originally posted by Set: I recently read about some worlds with alien characters in the Legionverse and have had no luck finding out more about them;
Does anyone know anything about the world of Houp (natives could turn into electricity, or were always made out of electricity), Ankar (natives had some sort of ultravision power) or Zyni'ir (natives had psionic powers)?
Houp is actually spelled Huop and is from Adventure 350 and 377.
Ankar is Adventure 358.
Edit: never mind. Someone got to it first.
I don't have information for Zyni'ir. The list I'm using is an old paper list from Klordny APA and is up to date to LSH V3 #34. It was created by Arthur Lewandowski, and used by Mark Waid in Who's Who/LSH. I'd love to put it online, except it's 8 pages of text and won't scan well. Any volunteers to help type it in?
Posted by Set on :
Thanks for the info. I was working up a Durlan character who could only shapechange into people she'd analyzed the DNA of (which she did by contact, even a handshake), but could also replicate any superhuman powers that they had racially. So she'd be able to shrink, if she touched an Imskian and assumed their form (but to shrink, she would *have* to assume their form!), but if she touched Gim or Dirk or Tasmia or Ayla, she'd get nothing, since, even if their powers have affected their DNA, they aren't racial powers.
So, naturally, I was looking for what sort of worlds existed that had naturally-powered races, and weren't necessarily already in the Legion, such as Tamaranians or Renii. Posted by cleome on :
Sort of related to Set's request, yet not...
Does anyone have a scan of the 5YG (???) page in which Shrinking Violet actually forgave Yera for the latter's impersonation. Yeah, I know it's not in continuity anymore, but...
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Posted by cleome on :
Thanks, Nighty!
(BTW, who were the artists here? Major Spoilers drives me nuts when they post histories and don't bother to identify the artists who were working when I was AWOL from comics.)
Posted by stuorstew on :
The artists on that page were Brandon Peterson and Scott Hanna
Posted by cleome on :
Thanks much, stuorstew.
Posted by dedman on :
Most of my collection is packed away and in storage, and google image search isn't turning anything up.....
Anyone have an image (or images) of violet from the current incarnation of the Legion? I have a very small one from Adventure #11, doesn't really show much detail. Need it for a new manip.
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Posted by dedman on :
Perfect, thanks Gary!
Posted by future king on :
Violet's new costume is really starting to grow on me. It's kind of like the colors and cut of the skirt are a sort of homage to all the different versions of Shrinking Violet plus Atom Girl from 3-boot, all rolled into one. I really like it! Posted by ActorLad on :
It's an alright look but it seems like an amalgam of some Jean Grey's Marvel Girl outfits, Rachel Summers Marvel Girl suits & a splash of Lorna Dane/Polaris in there as well.
Posted by cleome on :
I rather like this costume, too. Of course, I've pretty much liked all of Vi's costumes.
Posted by Reboot on :
Two requests:
1) Can anyone put a name to the two circled guys? [Are they even meant to be recognisable? Everyone ELSE in the panel is...]
And 2) Can someone please post a ~500px tall image of the "postboot" Blok from the group shot in JSA #51? EDIT: Never mind about this one
Ta
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Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
I suspect # 1 is meant to be Dragonmage, and # 2 is meant to be a "post-booted" version of Tyroc (or a new, not-meant-to-be-recognized character).
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
#2 may be Jacques Foccart. Note the similarity of the design on his shirt to the postboot Lyle Norg.
I'd go with either Dragonmage or Chemical King for #1.
Posted by Reboot on :
Found an "official" half-answer:
quote:Ye Olde Legion Chat Summarie McCraw declined to identify the black character on page 21 of LSH Annual #7. He commented that, for now, it can be whoever the readers think it is.
According to McCraw, the character behind Blok in that panel is Chemical King.
I never thought it'd be Dragonmage (his proper postboot intro, in the tryouts issue, was only a couple of months later), but Chemical King just never occurred to me.
Thanks for the help, anyway Posted by Lone Wolf Legionnaire on :
Posted by Silver Age Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Reboot: Two requests:
1) Can anyone put a name to the two circled guys? [Are they even meant to be recognisable? Everyone ELSE in the panel is...]
And 2) Can someone please post a ~500px tall image of the "postboot" Blok from the group shot in JSA #51? EDIT: Never mind about this one
Ta
Also, who is the female with white hair behind Brainy? Jeckie is a snake in this universe.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
I think that might be Tyroc.
Posted by Reboot on :
quote:Originally posted by Silver Age Lad: Also, who is the female with white hair behind Brainy? Jeckie is a snake in this universe.
I had it down as Inferno in a version of her original costume.
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Posted by future king on :
quote:Originally posted by Reboot:
quote:Originally posted by Silver Age Lad: Also, who is the female with white hair behind Brainy? Jeckie is a snake in this universe.
I had it down as Inferno in a version of her original costume.
Isn't that supposed to be Dream Girl, or Dreamer, whatever?
Posted by cleome on :
Did Reboot Colossal Boy have a sister in the Science Police? I feel like I've read that somewhere, but maybe my memory's playing tricks on me...
Posted by kenaustin on :
His sister was Driana Allon, leader the Ringers, a super hero team from the Legion Science Police mini.
Posted by cleome on :
Ah, thanks. I must have seen the mini somewhere, but I don't own it. Do you remember if she had any powers? And was she older than Gim or younger?
Posted by kenaustin on :
She was Gim's younger sister. The ring she used was able to cause molecular decay.
Posted by razsolo on :
hey folks, does anyone know who was leading the Legion when they suffered their various deaths?
I know Sensor Girl had just been made leader when Magnetic Kid sacrificed himself...how about Ferro Lad, Chemical King, Karate Kid, Lyle Norg and let's throw in Luornu's first body for good measure?
Any answers will be super appreciated! Thanks! Posted by future king on :
If memory serves, Wildfire was team leader when Chemical King sacrificed himself. Dream Girl was leader right around the time Karate Kid died.
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
Karate Kid died under Element Lad's watch. Correct about Wildfire - Chemical King. Mon-El was leader when Lyle Norg died. Lyle, in turn, was Legion leader when Ferro Lad died. Brainiac 5 was leader when Luornu's first body died. Of course, Saturn Girl was leader when Lightning Lad died (and was revived).
Posted by cleome on :
quote:Originally posted by kenaustin: She was Gim's younger sister. The ring she used was able to cause molecular decay.
Thanks!
Posted by Kent on :
further for Razsolo:
5YL: Cham and Rokk were leaders when Blok died. Lyle was leader of the SW6 Legion when Val, Jeckie and Cham died. Vi and Jacques were leaders when Laurel died. the off-camera deaths of the other Reflecto et al would probably be under Brek or Dirk. Not sure.
Reboot: Gim was leader when James (Kid Q) died. Rokk was leader when Tinya died. Garth was leader when Monstress died. Imra was leader when Garth and Jan died.
Neoclassic: Rokk was presumably leader when Val re-died, along with one Luornu (Countdown), as well as the various deaths in L3W (although Garth would have been leader of Threeboot LSH at the same time. I forget if Jasmin was still Reboot leader or not).
Posted by razsolo on :
That's awesome, thanks heaps everyone! Posted by cLSHeome on :
My brain is so fried right now that I have no idea whether or not this request is even coherent.
[soldiers on]
I'm looking for a page (or a few panels) from back in the Giffen era where we see Gim and Gigi interacting as exes/still friends. Not the origin section so much, but something happening in "present time."
Any help would be appreciated.
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Quick question about Pre-boot Dream Girl....Each time I can recall a story about her using her power, she was sleeping. Was she ever shown using her power when she was awake like they did it the last re-boot? If so, can you direct me so I can check it out?
Posted by Lsh Em on :
I know there is one right before Karate Kids death issue in the early Baxter issues.
She and Thom are on Venture and she has a premonition and kinda faints. Also where Vi takes down Micro Lad. It may be the first or second issue...it has Giffen art, that much I know.
Sorry I'm not more specific on the issue number, but my boxes are pretty buried at the moment.
Posted by cLSHeome on :
Original Recipe Dream Girl also foresaw that somebody would die when she battled the Fatal Five. It was right after the Sensor Girl revelation. Dreamy had the premonition more or less in mid-argument with Jeckie.
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Excellent then, sounds like a under use of her power. Finally, in our recent issues of the new titles they are kind enough to introduce each character, giving their name, homeworld and power, what is the exact title they are giving Nura for her power? I've looked but can't find her anywhere. Did I miss her somewhere or is she in Limbo?
Posted by Jerry on :
From issue #7:
Dream Girl AKA: Nura Nal
Homeworld: Naltor
Abilities: Precognition
Posted by Iam Legion on :
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Posted by Phantom Girl on :
I'm looking for a good Duplicate Boy picture on higher quality paper. Can anyone give me a referance to check out (issue and title)?
I'm also looking for a picture that shows a Legionnaire straining to use the power to it's utmost. The only one I can think of is Ferro Lad and the Sun Eater but something with more advanced art would be preferred.
In both cases I can scan the pic. because my collection is huge, I just can't think of any particular instances for these situations.
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Posted by Exnihil on :
I'm looking for an old drawing of the Legion... of Message Board Posters that is. I saw it a couple of years ago, I believe on the old LMB archive site, which is now defunct. I think it was Sketch Lad who drew it, but it was basically the LMBP of that time standing tiered on a set of bleachers (I want to say in four rows). I can't remember the whole layout, but I think that Lard Lad was front row all the way to the right.
Does any have... or even remember... the drawing I'm talking about?
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
Bingo! That's the one, thanks Gary!
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Greetings fellow Legionnaires; I need a quick list of the different types of "Energy" that is mentioned throughout the DC Universe, such as Anti-Matter.
I'm not looking for things like fire, cold, sound, etc. but rather the energy types that are or at least were nothing but science fiction. Can anybody list anything beyond Anti-Matter?
Posted by Iam Legion on :
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Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Do we have the emblem/symbols for the Legion monitor board available somewhere. I'm looking for a higher reselution image. Can anybody help me out with this?
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
There's this and this. Can you be more specific on what resolution you're looking for?
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
They give the information I was looking for. Do we have anything where it shows them individually?
Also I'm curious about the second link. Is this a game, a site, or what? I click on the first couple and it gives their name and power. Then as I click others they just disappear. I prefer the graphics on the second one better.
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
They're not supposed to disappear. Which browser are you using?
The site is a project of mine and still a work in progress. This folder holds some individual stuff that I plan to add to the EG forum one day.
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
quote:Originally posted by Iam Legion: Can anyone give me an issue# of 'Countdown to Crisis' where Val is talking with 'Una' and he says the 'founders' were responsible for saving him? Thanks!
This was actually in JSA #6 (July 2007) -
Posted by Nightcrawler on :
quote:Originally posted by cleome: I'm looking for a page (or a few panels) from back in the Giffen era where we see Gim and Gigi interacting as exes/still friends. Not the origin section so much, but something happening in "present time."
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
quote:Originally posted by Nightcrawler: They're not supposed to disappear. Which browser are you using?
The site is a project of mine and still a work in progress. This folder holds some individual stuff that I plan to add to the EG forum one day.
Internet Explorer 7. This last link give me what I need. Thanks.
Posted by Fat Cramer on :
There was a diagram of the Legion cruiser in one of the issues, showing the interior layout. Does anyone know which issue that was in?
Posted by He Who LSHes on :
Superboy # 219 had such a layout.
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Posted by Fat Cramer on :
That's exactly what I was looking for. Thank you so much!
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
I'm looking for a list and hopefully description of all the different species (races) with the DC Universe. Does anyone know of such a listing or even partial one?
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quote:Originally posted by Phantom Girl: I'm looking for a list and hopefully description of all the different species (races) with the DC Universe. Does anyone know of such a listing or even partial one?
quote:Originally posted by Phantom Girl: I'm looking for a list and hopefully description of all the different species (races) with the DC Universe. Does anyone know of such a listing or even partial one?
Thank you Ambush Bug, those are exactly what I was looking for.
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Do we have a reference that indicates how old each Legionnaire was when they joined?
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Does anyone have any good scans of Queen Azura?
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Ok, while reading issues in which White Witch made an appearance, I noticed that her speaking was always drawn with a pink bubble rather than white, how come?
Does anybody have an idea of how her powers work, the most I can find is that she can only prepare a few at a time and that they require spell components as well. Can anyone give me more insight on them?
Posted by lil'rhino on :
quote:Originally posted by Phantom Girl: Ok, while reading issues in which White Witch made an appearance, I noticed that her speaking was always drawn with a pink bubble rather than white, how come?
Does anybody have an idea of how her powers work, the most I can find is that she can only prepare a few at a time and that they require spell components as well. Can anyone give me more insight on them?
I think the pink speech bubbles were artistic license used to signify that she'd undergone a change from her former self as her knowledge in the mystic arts grew.
I also think that the way her powers exactly work has always been kept purposely vague by the writers due to the unquantifiable energies that are magic.
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Thank You lil'rhino. I later noticed that all the other sorcerers had the same punk speech bubble so I'm thinking your right.
I read additional comics involving White Witch (there really didn't seem to be all that many of them). The only quotes I could find on how the magic works were...
Bless their teachers for their constant reminders that it was an effective all-purpose safeguard worth keeping constantly ready. The others seem to think that magic means the ability to do anything, anytime you need it…would that they had felt the bite of my teacher’s lessons. “
“Your spells will be in proportion to your will, Mysa…and will be mighty only if you master them individually with proper preparation…”
“Attempt a great working without consulting the omens and readying the talismans and you doom yourself. Worse still, commit more than a mere handful of spells to memory at a time and you shall forget them all…research child…each and every time.”
“Wise words, all I’ve learned. But how singularly inappropriate for a moment like this. My powers may be weak, my will soft, but I cannot let these Legionnaires die… not when they fought so hard to save me. There must be something within my power…something.”
And taken from the Galactica Encyclopedia here on Legion World, I found...
The White Witch is a sorceress of extraordinary ability, able to cast spells of great power that affect basic forces of the universe, people and objects. The disciplines required for each spell require different forms of preparation, however, so she cannot use most of her complex spells at will without advance consideration. The White Witch has taken personal combat training courses as a Legionnaire with generally unsatisfactory results. She wears an LSH flight ring, which permits her to fly without the use of her magic.
She also typically stated the name of her spell and seem to know the best spells for what she thought was going to happen in the near future.
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Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Guys, does anyone have any scans of Alexis Luthor from the cartoon? When she had long hair, if you please.
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Howdy, Im putting Timber Wolf together for the Legion RPG and they claim he has Super-Senses. I don't think I've ever seen them used. I'm working with the original Legion at the moment, rather than a re-boot. Can someone tell me which of the five senses he has and perhaps some references? Please!
Posted by Set on :
In the Shooter part of the threeboot, his power was listed as 'prodigious physicality' and all of his senses seemed to be at least somewhat heightened. Nothing like X-Ray vision, but he had keener than normal senses of hearing, sight and scent (and, possibly, taste and touch as well, although we never saw that).
As far as I know, 'classic' Timber Wolf had Spiderman levels of agility / acrobatics / reflexes ability and lower-tier super-strength (enough to flip a car or one-punch an elephant or whatever, but not planet-moving or anything).
Silver Age Timber Wolf shouldn't have heightened senses, claws, regeneration, or be significantly tougher than a tough human, etc.
That's changed, as of the modern day, and the current 'classic' Timber Wolf he seems to have Wolverine-like powers as well, with heightened senses and claws being listed among his powers in his little info-blurbs.
He was also recently shown as being strong enough to rip a shuttle in half, paired with Earth-Man, who was duplicating his powers, and Earth-Man, presumably still using his super-strength, was shown ripping the roof off of a penthouse, but hasn't been shown using acrobatics at all, so it seems possible that his superhuman agility has been replaced for yet more super-strength (or that he's just gotten stronger, and given up on the acrobatics).
Anywho, short answer; Silver Age - no heightened senses.
Shooterboot - all senses heightened to animalistic levels.
Modern Day - *some* heightened senses, with Wolverine-like sense of smell the one shown so far.
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Thanks, Set, the player is using a previous write-up of Timber Wolf, but I wanted to update it for him. Thanks for the input, I shall put it to good use.
Posted by Set on :
On the subject of Legion of Super-Villains (inspired by the recent poll);
Did the Tharran LSV member from LoSH #11, Frost (the one teamed up with the pheremone-controller, Fume), visually seem to be the same character as the LSV 'espionage squad' Tharran dude in the 21st century, or were they depicted as different characters?
I don't remember where I saw the 21st century 'LSV Espionage Squad' dude, so I can't seem to find it to compare the two.
Posted by Future on :
The 21st century LSV dude was Cryo King, I believe from the new Adventure Comics #3 or so. They definitely appeared to be very similar, though they had some artistic differences so I'm unsure if they were meant to be the same person. They were similar enough that I rolled my eyes. "Didn't Johns already create this guy?"
Posted by Set on :
quote:Originally posted by Future: The 21st century LSV dude was Cryo King, I believe from the new Adventure Comics #3 or so.
You totally space-rock! Thanks!
The totally new(ish) LSV members could make an interesting mini-team. Questor, Immortus, Stegus, Atta, Fume, Sun Killer and Frost/Cryo King.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
For the record, I love the name "Frak Hamkin".
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Um, to anyone who has "Superman: Emperor Joker", could you provide some scans of the transformed JLA from that story? I.E., Wonder Woman, Flash, Aquaman, Green Lantern... specifically GL and Flash.
I know this is isn't Legion, but it is a Superman story, and I can't find scans anywhere else on the internet.
Posted by Ken Arromdee on :
-- Was the panel from Adventure #1, which had XS saying she needs to warn the Legionnaires, ever used? (Johns worked on Flashpoint so this is possible.) -- When exactly are all the times Marzal was called a planet or a world, and was it called one in anything *aside* from the notoriously inaccurate blurbs giving the characters' name and powers?
Posted by Fat Cramer on :
As far as I know, the panel with XS hasn't been used - yet. Since we still have backstory to fill in with the LSH book about Alastor and any Flashpoint effect, XS may still show up with her warning.
Don't know when Marzal was given world status in various issues but I'll post anything I may turn up in rereading.
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Posted by cleome45 on :
So we all know that dead 31st Century heroes are laid to rest on Shanghalla.
Has canon ever stated that there's a final resting place for dead villains? If so, where is it, and what does it look like?
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
I'm pretty sure there's never been such a thing, but it's an awesome idea!
Posted by cleome45 on :
I'm gonna' call my version "Hamkin's Hideaway"!
Posted by Reboot on :
Anyone have a clue who the black girl with white hair's meant to be in Legionnaires Annual #1? (see below - she's prominently a part of the Arthurian Legion in two separate shots by two different artists, so there must be SOME basis there!)
Posted by Quislet, Esq on :
Just a guess on my part, could she be a badly colored Dream Girl?
Posted by Reboot on :
quote:Originally posted by Quislet, Esq: Just a guess on my part, could she be a badly colored Dream Girl?
Nope, Nura was established as Projectra's servant (and Projectra/Nura/Val weren't Legionnaires at all).
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
The "black girl" part suggests Catspaw, though there's really no other resemblance.
Possibly a version of a new character that was planned for introduction to the SW6 team, but got Zero Houred out?
Posted by Ken Arromdee on :
Maybe it's Stealth from LEGION?
Posted by Reboot on :
I'll be honest - I was expecting this to be someone really obvious that (not being a preboot fan) I just didn't know about. I'm now beginning to think she was just dropped in for the sake of showing that it wasn't exactly the same lineup as the "normal" preboot universe...
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: Possibly a version of a new character that was planned for introduction to the SW6 team, but got Zero Houred out?
Maybe, but it was published well into the Zero Hour buildup and only a fortnight before End of an Era pt 1 - and of the co-writers, Waid only did the ZH issues of preboot Legionnaires, while Templeton didn't do any; and it's a similar story for the artists - Moy only did one pre-ZH issue, Pelletier did none.
quote:Originally posted by Ken Arromdee: Maybe it's Stealth from LEGION?
Don't think so - it's set in the last decade of the 30th century, and there's no other characters obviously out of their "normal" time (i.e., they didn't slip in any 20th century characters).
Besides, Stealth's a lighter, yellow-orange colour.
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Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
Besides Projectra and Nura, and perhaps Mysa, I can't think of any preboot Legion characters with white hair, and certainly none with that hair and skin color combo.
Maybe it was a homage to Storm of the X-Men?
Posted by Set on :
Anybody know of a site with any amount of decent information on the Athramites (and some decent pictures of them)?
I've checked a bunch on Google, and the pictures tend to be tiny and unclear, and the information limited to stuff about them being image consultants and having 87 senses, but not bothering to mention stuff like whether they are insectoid or just look that way, with their funky helmets...
Posted by Ken Arromdee on :
I still think Stealth is the closest. The hair matches and the skin color is not exact, but it's close--certainly closer than the average character.
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Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
As I recall, we get a glimpse of their homeworld and government in one of the DnA issues (either Legion Worlds or an early issue of the Legion).
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Posted by Set on :
quote:Originally posted by NoLongerLegion:
quote:Originally posted by Set: Anybody know of a site with any amount of decent information on the Athramites (and some decent pictures of them)?
I've checked a bunch on Google, and the pictures tend to be tiny and unclear, and the information limited to stuff about them being image consultants and having 87 senses, but not bothering to mention stuff like whether they are insectoid or just look that way, with their funky helmets...
I remember when I was going to 'skin' them for The Sims and not being able to get many decent, detailed images of them. I don't think there ever was much official information on them. I'll check the 'Secret Files' issues and see if there were any details there. In the mean time, here is a dirrect quote from the 'Legion Help File':
Athramites
The Athramites, natives of the United Planets planet Athram, are creatures that have excellent aesthetic taste, a result of their forty-seven different senses. They are responsible for the design of Legion headquarters and of several Legion costumes. A number of these creatures have been hired by R. J. Brande to remain permanently on staff to advise the Legion on matters of public appearance. They sometimes come on too strong (Legion of Super-Heroes (3rd series) # 63, Legionnaires # 44), although their energy has its limits (Legionnaires # 53), but are loyal allies, and can be counted on to defend their friends and their friends' possessions, however effectively they can (Legionnaires # 35).
Thanks for looking around! I couldn't find a good picture either, and I'm just gonna go with the time honored tradition of 'making stuff up.'
So, furry insectoid meter-high three-eyed six-limbed Athramites coming up!
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Ok, quick Ferro Lad question....in order to posses his Super Strength, does he need to have turned invulnerable or can he be super strong without turning his body to iron? Do we have any strict DC ruling on this?
Posted by Set on :
He's shown in the cartoon once using super-strength while not in iron form, but I honestly thought that was an error.
Unless smacked over the head with a contrary canonical instance, I'd say that, in human form, he's only human-strong and human-tough.
Posted by Reboot on :
quote:Originally posted by NoLongerLegion: On the other hand, while the search has turned up nothing new about Athramites, it has turned up this rather intriguing picture of what migh be another appearance by Reboot's mystery lady in the Secret Files #2 issue:
Nah, later on Trudy becomes white with red hair. Besides, either way, that* postdates Lgs Annual #1 by half a decade.
*"That" being from from Worlds #1 (M'Onel spotlight), not SF&O #2 (the Blight introduction issue) Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Of course, as long-term fans of Legion World know, Trudy Trusoe is a rebooted version of Tina Truth! I therefore officially proclaim this the Arthurian Tina Truth!
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Posted by Phantom Girl on :
quote:Originally posted by Set: He's shown in the cartoon once using super-strength while not in iron form, but I honestly thought that was an error.
Unless smacked over the head with a contrary canonical instance, I'd say that, in human form, he's only human-strong and human-tough.
Thanks set, I have reviewed every Ferro Lad source I fan find and I don't see anywhere where he uses his strength without being in iron form. So I'll go with that.
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Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Thank you very much, that sounds like a the ruling I was looking for; and so it shall be done.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Does anyone have any decent scans of Chuck Taine in his red jacket? I mean, before Legionnaires was cancelled?
Thanks in advance.
Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
There are a couple here, but none really that high-quality.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Thanks, but I've been there.
Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
How's this?
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My pleasure Posted by Emily Sivana on :
I am looking fo Legion super-villains to use in an upcoming game. I ran across a post on the Internet about Illegal Parking Lad. It said that he is a villain of the Legion of Substitutes. Does anyone here know what his powers are?
Posted by Future on :
quote:Originally posted by Emily Sivana: I am looking fo Legion super-villains to use in an upcoming game. I ran across a post on the Internet about Illegal Parking Lad. It said that he is a villain of the Legion of Substitutes. Does anyone here know what his powers are?
Never heard of him before and did some research. The only thing I can find on him is that he seems to originate from a Legion RPG group as far back as 2007 and is a fan creation. A post read, "No one's sure exactly what Illegal Parking Lad's power is, but one can presume it has something to do with the ability to park illegally." [ link ] Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Do we have any offical determination on the extent of Matter-Eather Lad's power? I know that he ate the Miricle Machine and suffered insanity becuase of it.
Are there any known substances he cannot eat through? Intetron for example?
What are his limitations to how much area he can consume in one sitting? (I know of the grain bin story).
How thick of material? I would assume there is no limit to thickness, just potential hardness?
I'm also assuming if he can't get his mouth around it, he can't eat it. If that is the case, he wouldn't be able to eat through a wall though.
Thoughts please. I have a player who wants to take Tenzil as one of his characters for my Legion of Super-Heroes RPG and I need to do the appropriate prep work.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
He can consume any known substance (solid, liquid, gas) with the exception of organic material from his own homeworld, and a substance called magnozite, which is made of the most poisonous materials in the galaxy. He has specifically been shown to eat inertron. He has, on at least one occasion, been shown to consume energy beams as well as matter.
He can consume basically an unlimited amount of matter at super-speed. He has been shown to hollow out meteors and eat a lengthy underground tunnel in a matter of minutes. His body "acts as a nuclear furnace", converting to the matter to energy as he eats. Normally, the energy is harmlessly dispersed into the atmosphere.
Presumably, he is going to need to be able to get his jaw around something in order to eat it. On the cartoon, at least, his jaw actually seems to open wider than a normal humans, but that's never been confirmed in the comics, though he is seen biting into fairly smooth surfaces on occasion.
He can also analyze the composition of substances he eats, probably because he has a better developed sense of taste than normal humans.
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Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Does anyone have a list, and maybe scans, of all the Legion ex boyfriends and girlfriends?
Posted by Future on :
As a start, the Silver Age Legion site includes a 'relationships' section with each Legion profile that could give you some information about the various people dated, both civilian and Legionnaire, during the 60s. Some have pictures of the civilian flings.
There's also EDE's old Legion Love Lives project. No pictures, but a comprehensive list across the realities of who liked or dated who.
If you need more info or pics of anybody in particular, let me know.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Well, my interest was the girlfriends from the 60s and 70s. Iresa, Marya, Myla, Sinde... I want to start another sub-project with my commissions by getting Legion Girlfriends.
I've been to the Silver Age Legion site a lot. Even before I really got into the Legion. But even though they gave the site a makeover some sections I still can't go to.
EDE's thread is really helpful. Thanks Future.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Hmm... it wouldn't be a bad idea to update that thread, perhaps adding some pictures as well.
I'd also like to do an Encyclopedic listing of Legionnaire family members at some point.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
BTW, Eryk, wasn't that pink-skinned stalker of Inferno's named Shadi?
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Maybe. It's been ages since I've looked at those issues.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
My bad. Her name was Sadi. I just checked the issue.
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Ok, in the comics they claim that Validus is more powerful than Superboy/Mon-el etc. so I ask....
Is Validus considered more powerful in Strength?
Is Validus considered to be more invulnerable than Superboy/Mon-el?
I recall seeing stories where Validus knocks Superboy unconscious. Do we have any where Mon-el or Superboy beat up, knocked out, defeated Validus through brute power?
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Validus is definitely stronger/more invulnerable than Superboy/Mon-El. I believe, though I can't cite a reference offhand, that he's actually more powerful than the two of them combined.
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Posted by Phantom Girl on :
That's what I wanted to hear before I put his stats together for my RPG.
Thanks Much!
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Would anyone be kind enough to re-tell or link the "current" origin of Superman for me. After all the changes DC has made I'm not certain "what is what" anymore and would like to have the character updated to the latest version..I assume with the new 52 it was altered again?
Also, what is the current maximum weight he can lift? This seems to keep changing too.
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Also in need of a good Heat Vision picture from one of the Legionnaires, no re-boot pics please.
Posted by Jerry on :
Superman's post Flashpoint origin is still unfolding. So far, we know that he is still from Krypton. We've had glimpses of Krypton. Jor-El and Lara are still his parents. Jor-El is still predicting the destruction of the planet. Visually, they look different from previous versions.
The Action Comics story is focusing on Clark's early days in Metropolis. We know that the Kents have died. Superman's powers are not yet fully developed -- more at the "leaping over tall buildings in a single bound" level - but he is getting stronger. He wears jeans and a tee shirt as opposed to the traditional Superman costume. Clark works for the Daily Star - not yet the Daily Planet where Jimmy and Lois work. He and Jimmy are already friends, though.
Kandor was stolen from Krypton prior to its destruction. Perhaps by Brainiac, but the brief images we've seen of the villain so far have an insect quality.
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Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
Because it is good story-telling, perhaps?
Fans who are used to being told everything up-front only seem to look for reasons to dislike everything.
What's wrong with sitting back and seeing where a story goes, rather than expecting everything to match ones preconceived notions? I love being surprised by a good story that takes its time to unfold.
If anything, the need to fill in every little info-gap dries up the story faster, and feeds the need for more frequent relaunches.
Comics are for entertainment, not tech-manuals. Remember 'wonder' and 'imagination?' I'll bet most of us got into comics because of them. When did looking for things to complain about become the primary reason for so many who still read comics?
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Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
that's certainly your right to feel that way. It just seemed a bit premature to me to be saying such after only a few months.
but if it ain't worth $3 and a monthly wait, that's up to each fan to decide.
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Thanks for the insight on Superman's origin changes. I'll have to wait like everyone else to see where it goes.
Posted by KryptonKid on :
Does anyone have any scans for: Lume McCauley's 2nd WorkForce Ghost 6, Alloy 14, Easti-Kid 5, or 5YL Flare Rush Ringtoss Jagged
What were the name of those bodyguard guys from the threeboot? They were like brothers or something and read comics?
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Bodger and Bonce, iirc.
As in a rhinoceros with a bodger on his bonce.
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Thanks! I've discovered I've blocked out most of the threeboot from my memory.
Except the part where those two guys were reading some old Adam Strange stories!
Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
do not recall them in the slightest.
Posted by Reboot on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: Thanks! I've discovered I've blocked out most of the threeboot from my memory.
That's the sort of post that makes me want to bump Kent's old "Reboot was right" thread Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
quote:Originally posted by Reboot:
quote:Originally posted by Cobalt Kid: Thanks! I've discovered I've blocked out most of the threeboot from my memory.
That's the sort of post that makes me want to bump Kent's old "Reboot was right" thread
I'll bump it for you
There were a few minor Threeboot characters who were bright spots, though. Theena and M'Rissey come to mind.
Posted by KryptonKid on :
Merry Christmas!
Sarcasm Kid found a great pic of Rush for me, but I still need: Lume McCauley's 2nd WorkForce Ghost 6, Alloy 14, Easti-Kid 5, or 5YL Flare Ringtoss Jagged
Thanks. Your help would be greatly appreciated!
Posted by Reboot on :
quote:Originally posted by KryptonKid: I still need: Lume
quote:Originally posted by KryptonKid: McCauley's 2nd WorkForce
Certain question over what exactly the "second" Workforce is, but I presume you mean the "Rifts" team after the last remaining originals (Evolvo & Spider Girl) are fired
[Note that "Helios" is an H-Dialed Lori!]
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
In need of a good Heat Vision picture from one of the Legionnaires, no re-boot pics please.
Posted by Ken Arromdee on :
Can someone please tell me (for the continuity checklist), what is the earliest reference to Phantom Girl being able to disrupt electronics? I know it was used before now, but I don't remember if 1) it was ever used outside the reboot and 2) if it was used before Kitty Pryde, who had that as her schtick.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
I don't recall ever seeing before the reboot, but I may be wrong.
Posted by Reboot on :
May have asked this before, but just in case... are there any clear shots of Legion Plaza/postboot Earth HQ? Everything I can find is either tiny, off-model, has a big hole in the side or cropped/distorted.
Posted by Future on :
These are the best quality shots I could find of Postboot HQ with minimal visual obstruction.
Posted by Reboot on :
Long shot, perhaps, but... anyone got the Previews with solicits for comics released in February 1997? (I suppose this would be the Nov or Dec '96 edition).
Reason: I've managed to find the solicit text for all the "core" Legion titles from LSH #100 to the end of the postboot... except for the month of LSH #103/Legionnaires #59/Legends of the Legion #3 (and possibly Green Lantern #97, which led into the Legion's guest appearance in #98-99).
Posted by KryptonKid on :
I am looking for images of Elasti-Kid 5, Alloy 12, and Ghost 6, preferably separately, if possible. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Posted by Future on :
Here's what I have.
Posted by KryptonKid on :
Thank you, Future! These are much better than any I have been able to find.
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
In the Legion Secret Origin comic, Triplicate Girl states that she is on Earth to deliver a message. I'm would like to know what that message is. Does anyone know?
Also, is there any explanation as to why she was selected?
I have a player who's going to have Triplicate Girl as her character and I would love to properly fill in the details when we play this afternoon.
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Posted by Set on :
I vaguely recall one of the secret council types saying that they hadn't predicted the survivors of 'Cargg under the triple sun' to have re-established contact with earth so soon.
It seems that, at some point, various colonies of earth-folk, lost contact with the central world, perhaps a result of inter-colonial civil war or disaster or some sort of technological upheaval, and the UP is only in the 'present day' beginning to reconnect with the various former colonies or allies.
As far as I can recall, the exact nature of the message was never detailed, but, presumably, Cargg is going to at some point join (or rejoin?) the UP, and her message might be an offer to open diplomatic relations in preparation for that.
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Thank you Set, that is excellent work and though the real facts are not revealed, it will serve my needs for the game. Thank You.
Posted by Dartalon on :
quote:Originally posted by Reboot: Long shot, perhaps, but... anyone got the Previews with solicits for comics released in February 1997? (I suppose this would be the Nov or Dec '96 edition).
Reason: I've managed to find the solicit text for all the "core" Legion titles from LSH #100 to the end of the postboot... except for the month of LSH #103/Legionnaires #59/Legends of the Legion #3 (and possibly Green Lantern #97, which led into the Legion's guest appearance in #98-99).
From Preview Vol. VII , No 12 December 1997
GREEN LANTERN #97 WRITTEN BY RON MARZ; ART AND COVER BY MIKE MCKONE AND TERRY AUSTIN DCU. Darkseid’s illegitimate son, Grayven (from GREEN LANTERN #75), returns from the grave to wreak havoc on Earth…and Green Lantern. Plus, Kyle discusses his and Donna’s relationship with an unexpected advisor. Note: This issue’s conclusion leads directly into GL #98, the first part of a 2-part team-up with the Legion of Super-Heroes. __ FC, 32 PG. STANDARD FORMAT……….$1.95*
LEGENDS OF THE LEGION #3 WRITTEN BY BARRY KITSON AND TOM PEYER; ART BY KENNY MARTINEZ AND ANNIBAL RODRIGUEZ; COVER BY STEVE LIGHTLE DCU. The Troublemakers team of Kenny Martinez and Annibal Rodriguez illustrates the origin of the shadow-controlling lass named Umbra in Part 3 of this 4-part miniseries on the lives of the Legionnaires before they were Legionnaires. Growing up in a family of heroes, Tasmia Mallor always assumed that she’d automatically become Talok VIII’s protector when she came of age. But to only her surprise, Tasmia is passed over. Was her dark personality her undoing, or was there a darker scandal which prevented her from becoming the greatest hero of Talok VIII? __ FC, 32 PG. (3 of 4) STANDARD FORMAT……….$2.25*
LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES #103 WRITTEN BY TOM PEYER AND TOM MCCRAW; ART BY JASON ARMSTRONG AND RON BOYD; COVER BY ALAN DAVIS AND MARK FARMER DCU. Things are popping all over the galaxy! Star Boy and the group on Xanthu are in deep, deep trouble when they ambushed by two evil alien races while trying to save the planet from coming under the control of a third! Meanwhile Leland McCauley entertains the idea of tapping into the space anomaly for his own profit, bringing him into conflict (are is it collusion?) with Workforce member Karate Kid. Does anyone else smell a conspiracy or two brewing? __FC, 32 PG. MANDO FORMAT……….$2.25
LEGIONNAIRES #59 WRITTER BY ROGER STERN AND TOM MCCRAW; ART AND COVER BY JEFFREY MOY AND W.C.CARANI DCU. Just in time for Valentine’s Day, it’s date night! Cham’s the toast of Metropolis with not one, but two hot young ladies on his arms, but Chuck Taine’s got his hands full with not one, not two, but all three Triads ─ none of whom can decide how to spend her free time. Meanwhile, a number of LSHers hit the beach; a romance blossoms in the heart of the space anomaly; Invisible Kid is out to meet a mysterious someone; and one Legionnaire is stuck at HQ all alone (sniff). __FC, 32 PG. MANDO FORMAT……….$2.25
Posted by Reboot on :
Merci beaucoup [Didn't realise you were still around!]
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Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Other than Nemesis Kid, what other notable and powerful villains in the Legion mythos are dead?
I have a play by post game going and as of so forth the Fatal Five want six Lightning Rods. Other than utiizing them to bring someone back from the dead, I'm sort of out of ideas.
Any plot suggestions you can offer in regards to dead Legion villains would be great.
Thanks.
Posted by Jerry on :
The Emerald Empress
Charma
Mentella
Weight Wizard
Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
In original coninuity:
the original Starfinger was killed off in the mid-80s. The second Starfinger ditto during the Five Year Gap between 89 and 90.
Emerald Empress died in 88ish.
Tharok was presumed dead in the early 80s, but turned up again in the early 90s.
Pharoxx was killed by the LSV in the mid-80s. But that might have been off-camera.
the first Hunter the died in his only appearance. His brother has been Hunter ever since.
the original Time Trapper was killed in the mid-80s. The second Trapper in 88, and again in 90. The third Trapper in 94.
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Kent: Can you give me some background on the death of Emerald Empress and the Time Trapper?
Posted by Kent Shakespeare on :
the Empress, as I recall, was getting rather world-weary. She was basically an immortal slave to the eye. She tricked Jeckie into severing her connection to the eye, so she could finally die.
The first Trapper was basically a renegade Controller who was a puppet of the second Trapper, who was a near-ommipotent godlike being. The second Trapper got tired of the first and disintegrated him in the 1st issue of the Legionnaires Three miniseries.
To avenge the death of Superboy, Mon-El, Brainy, Saturn Girl, Dup Damsel and Rond Vidar travelled into the end of time to kill the Trapper. They were clobbered; only by letting the Infinite Man loose could they win and knock off the Trapper. LSH vol 3 #50.
But the Trapper had implanted an essence of himself inside Mon-El. When that essence tried to take him over, Mon-El fought back, even though it meant the destruction of the entire timeline that led to the creation of the Legion. LSH vol 4 #3
In the default replacement timeline, Rond Vidar, Andrew Nolan, White Witch, Glorith and others conspired to recreate the old timeline to thwart Mordru, who in that reality became omnipotent because there was no Trapper or Legion to oppose him. LSH vol 4 #4
In the restored timeline, Glorith functioned in the place of the Trapper (in one Superman story she was even called the Time Trapper), yet she too was confronted by an essence of the Trapper. He goaded her into destroying him, but in doing so she set in motion a series of events that led to her undoing and the Trapper's return to existence. various stories, 1991-1994.
The Trapper did return, only to be blasted apart by an omnipotent insane Hal Jordan. Zero Hour #4 (1st issue, actually; the series counted down) 1994
Yet another Trapper emerged; this time a future variant of Rokk (Cosmic Boy), who, with the Founders of two different timelines, saw their universe end. LSH vol 4 #61 (I think), End of an Era finale. 1994.
There were two more Trappers after that, one was presumably a woman; the other was Superboy-Prime. Neither died, as far as I know.
Posted by KryptonKid on :
Would anyone have a full body pics of the reboot characters Particon, Arrow, or Lantern?
I have one of Particon, but it is too mall to be useful.
Thank you.
Posted by Future on :
I previously uploaded some Particon images to ComicVine that are decent size, though [this link] is the closest I have to a full body.
Posted by KryptonKid on :
That works for Particon. Thanks, Future.
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Do we have a thread that lists / possible summarizes the various planets in Legion history? It seems like the kind of reference project someone would have done on LW.
For example, I know Pasnic is King John's planet, but I can't remember all that much more about the planet.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
There's a "How many planets can we list?" thread somewhere, but not exactly what you speak of.
cmk's Legion Help File has a listing of planets up until Legion Lost which is really useful, however.
Posted by Cobalt Kid on :
Oh great! I should have realized he'd have something there. Thanks Eryk!
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Guys, I don't know if anyone noticed, but, the Silver Age Legion website is GONE.
Sadly, the Sannings recently announced that they were taking down their website. Looks like they did it. It shall be missed.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
That website was one of the first places I ever went to on Legion information.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Guys, does anyone have scans of Amber from the Workforce using her powers?
Posted by kenaustin on :
quote:Originally posted by Sarcasm Kid: Guys, does anyone have scans of Amber from the Workforce using her powers?
Here you go...
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
I'm sorry for the delay. Thank you. Posted by Ken Arromdee on :
Does anyone have the reference to the letter column where Paul Levitz explains Dream Girl being able to use Brainiac 5's force field belt?
Also, what is the first reference in the new series that says that Brainiac 5 didn't invent the belt?
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
I don't Ken, sorry.
Does anyone have a scan of Ferro's costume designs from Legion of Super-Heroes #94?
Posted by Reboot on :
Depends what you mean - the only one we actually SEE is Inferno's, since she incinerates all the other ones first (hers was fire-proof, hence its survival).
The other Legionnaires (and Shvaughn) have a momentary nightmare of what they might look like, but those weren't Ferro's ideas!
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
The latter, yeah.
I actually thought those were the designs.
Posted by Reboot on :
No. He's not this silly! (Actually, take off the names, and Spark & Shvaughn's aren't too bad, while Imra's may look familiar. Ultra Boy's, OTOH, is hilarious! There MUST be some LMBP character using it, surely.)
The only clue we got to the other-than-Inferno "real" designs is that someone would have had a pink cape!
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Oh God, Inferno's makes me think about Cinder from that "Villains for Hire" abomination.
Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
I really don't get the wagon for Gates. Besides Ultra Boy's, I thought Brainiac 5's was hilarious too.
Too bad Apparition and Triad didn't imagine nay costumes for themselves.
Posted by Ken Arromdee on :
Is there anything in the original series which contradicts the drastically low population growth rate of Colu seen in LSH #0? I thought the Five Legion Orphans might have something but it didn't.
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
If Saturn Queen and Matter-Eater Lad eventually married, what became of their marriage when she remained a criminal? Does anyone have details of their marriage, such as how they became involved and how their various careers affected the union?
Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
Here's the entry on Saturn Queen from our very own Chaim Mattis Keller's Legion help file:
Saturn Queen
The satellite Titan has been ruled by a royal family since it was founded, but for centuries the monarchy was merely ceremonial. The sham of the monarchy was made worse when the Hypno-stone, one of the royal family's artifacts, was stolen in the early thirtieth century, and the succession to the throne, such as it was, became a very bitterly fought battle. Eve Aries, one of the potential heirs to the throne, decided that she would set out to find the stone, and thereby take the throne legitimately for the first time anyone had done it in decades.
Unfortunately, the stone had fallen into the hands of the villainous Universo, who was capable of fully exploiting its hypnotic powers, and though Eve possessed hypnotic powers of her own, she was unsure she could take it from him without help. She therefore accepted the offer of Laevar Bolto to join Tarik the Mute's school for super-villains, hoping to receive some training in the use of her powers and find allies who would help her get the stone back from Universo. When Tarik's school was broken up, she used her hypnotic powers to hide her presence, a tactic she used throughout her decade-long association with Bolto's Legion of Super-Villains. In the Super-Villains' 2989 scheme to go back in time and negate the Legion's existence, she revealed herself openly, a mistake she greatly regretted when the Legion caught up with them and put them in prison. She managed to invoke her diplomatic immunity as a member of Titan's royal family, but it proved extremely embarrassing.
In 2994, she tracked the Hypno-stone to Tartarus, where the thief Magpie had brought it. She married Prince Evillo of Tartarus in order to more easily find the stone, which he was trying to locate himself. In late 2994, Evillo was deposed by former Legionnaire Tenzil Kem, who released all of Evillo's former wives from the Tartarun Realm of Darkness, and she and the other wives took over the planet (Legion of Super-Heroes (3rd series) # 14). She located the stone in mid-2995, but was immediately caught by Evillo, who grabbed it away and enslaved her with it, encasing her in a statue which amplified her powers and used it as a psychic "antenna" with which to enslave the populace. Before she was imprisoned, though, she managed to get a message to Tenzil, who rescued her with the help of former Legionnaire Polar Boy and several young Tartarun heroes. She took the stone back to Titan, where she claimed her throne...and Tenzil as her consort. The two are currently on an extended honeymoon (Legion of Super-Heroes (3rd series) # 49-50).
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Does anyone have any full body scans of the unnamed Legion cadets from Legion #35 and 36? Specifically the cadet that resembled a frog.
Posted by Reboot on :
Posted by Lone Wolf Legionnaire on :
quote:Originally posted by KryptonKid: Would anyone have a full body pics of the reboot characters Particon, Arrow, or Lantern?
I have one of Particon, but it is too mall to be useful.
Thank you.
Will this work kk. Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Thanks Reboot. Posted by Ken Arromdee on :
If you're looking at Saturn Queen's Wikipedia entry, that entry is screwed up to the point where it needs to be completely rewritten, because it doesn't try to distinguish various reboots and revamps. The Saturn Queen that married Matter-Eater Lad is from a different continuity than the one that became a criminal again, as far as I know.
Posted by Terry Gibbs on :
Sorry if this has been asked before, but I saw Validus in the new post Flashpoint Legion so question is..
I thought both the twins were still around so, is this a different validus, did the darkseid thing not happen did this change before, and I have amental block (or it is part of that Johns arc I am yet to catch up on)
Adventure 351-352 is among my favourite comics, love the character, hate the way his power got dumbed down by lesser writers, excited to hopefully see him back the way he originally was portrayed.
but a little confused, any help appreciated thank you
Posted by Jerry on :
Welcome to Legion World, Terry.
The post Flashpoint Legion continuity isn't real clear yet. I'm assuming the "The Great Darkness Saga" didn't happen. Other fans may disagree. Levitz and Giffen are working on a Fatal Five story line for some upcoming issues. Levitz has alluded, in interviews, that this will be the Legion's first meeting with the Fatal Five in this continuity. I'm hoping it provides some clarification.
Posted by Terry Gibbs on :
hmmm ....clear now, thanks Jerry, appreciated
Posted by Reboot on :
Anyone know where President Chu's forename was first given?
Posted by Jay Kay on :
So, I had this crazy idea for a while of trying to do a series of pin-ups drawing every character from the Legion in their big costume changes in the order that they appeared.
So my question is--is there a site that has good photos of all the costumes members of the Legion have worn, and a list of which Legion members appeared chronologically in terms of joining the group and/or first appearance?
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Well, you might be interested in this thread by Future, which attempts to do much the same thing with micros.
Posted by Jay Kay on :
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: Well, you might be interested in this thread by Future, which attempts to do much the same thing with micros.
Oooooh...that helps. That helps a LOT. Me likey. If I just knew what order each costume appeared, then I'd be set. Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
I think Future generally shows the costumes in order of appearance, so you're all good.
Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
quote:Originally posted by Reboot: Anyone know where President Chu's forename was first given?
I'm not sure if there was an earlier one, but LSH 80 page 11 is the first instance I've noticed after skimming through the first two years of issues.
Posted by Reboot on :
Hmm... Missed that one when I was looking (and I even checked Impulse #25!). If that's the only use, as I think it is, it's kinda annoying - "Winema" is mocking her in that panel, so I doubt she went by the diminutive 'Jeannie". I was wondering about the spelling, if it was "Jean" or "Jeanne", but if there's nothing there's nowt.
Thanks anyway.
Posted by Exnihil on :
Could anyone tell me in which issue the "walking money" seen in the Legion first appeared?
We most commonly see the little, couple-inch-high "meeping" variety, but - if memory serves - when they first appeared they were much larger (like waist high) so I'm thinking it has to be early in Giffen's first run. Anyone know the exact issue?
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
I'm annoyed because I ought to know this.
I believe the waist-high walking money first appeared in the Adventure Era, and wasn't from Ventura.
The more familiar Venturan walking money first appeared in v3 #1 (in which Thom and Nura fight Micro Lad on Ventura).
Posted by Exnihil on :
Thanks, Eryk... the "Adventure Era" tip did it.
I can't find an image, but a google search indicates that the larger coins are "Barakian Living Money" from Adventure 309.
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
That kind of money (which was originally said to be from "Barak") first appeared in Adventure Comics # 309.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Ah... I was actually thinking #308, but did a quick scan of the story and didn't see them!
Posted by Conjure Lass on :
Ridiculously stupid request, but does anyone know of any references to food items in the 30th century? I'm writing a fic and I'd like the dish made to be with "futuristic" ingredients. So, does anyone remember anyone in the comics mentioning a food item that "doesn't exist" in the real world?
For you assistance I will love you long time. *wink wink nudge nudge*
Posted by Viridis Lament on :
of the top of my head there is Kono fruit and Silverale
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Elvabird.
Plus Kono Juice and Silverale to drink.
And Bgztlian Blue is a type of ice cream, as I recall.
I believe there's an entry in the Legion Help File on food, but I don't have a copy on the computer I'm currently using.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Oh, pluberries. Banyo fruit.
And basically anything, if you're a Bismollian. Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Cherr-bear gelato, craved by pregnant Tinya.
Posted by He Who Wanders on :
Martian ice cream, which Superboy ate on his first trip to the 30th century.
Posted by Conjure Lass on :
Awww! Thank you, guys! This is very, very helpful! I knew you wouldn't let me down. *CUDDLES*
Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
Didn't see anything about food in the help file, but...
Soystix seems to be a popular fast food.
Brainy once likened the taste pf pizza to hatch sealant, so I don't know if hatch sealant's meant to be edible in the future!
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
I can't remember if I've asked already but does anyone have any good scans of Invisible Kid's ghost girlfriend Myla?
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Found on the web:
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Much obliged.
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Hi folks, say does anyone know what Supergirl's current status is with the Legion? What did DC do with her with their new 52?
Posted by Silver Age Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Phantom Girl: Hi folks, say does anyone know what Supergirl's current status is with the Legion? What did DC do with her with their new 52?
So far Supergirl has not met the Legion in her timeline. Whether she is in the Legion's past has not been mentioned.
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Can someone remind me what the members of the "Associated Planets" were? They were still a separate organization by the end of the reboot era, right?
Posted by Reboot on :
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: Can someone remind me what the members of the "Associated Planets" were?
Affiliated Planets, not Associated Planets.
The main members were Khundia [kicked out post-DCR], Elia*, Sklar (remains of), Thanagar (Hawkpeople), Winath and Xanthu, while Orando and Gil'D returned to the UP post-DCR; with SF&O #2 saying it "also includes" Aktar, Alkoz, Bismari, Brogg, J'ff'n (!), Karak, Lythyl, Nara, Olo, Plevitz (!!), Ronn, Soirreb-3, Torad and Zygarr.
*According to SF&O #2.
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: They were still a separate organization by the end of the reboot era, right?
They weren't directly mentioned at all after DnA took over, unless you count the ruined Xanthu's alliance with the Khunds (Legion Worlds #4) and later petitioning to be allowed back in the U.P. (The Legion #15).
[ November 16, 2012, 04:59 PM: Message edited by: Reboot ]
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
quote:Originally posted by Reboot:
quote:Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: Can someone remind me what the members of the "Associated Planets" were?
Affiliated Planets, not Associated Planets.
Ah, that explains why it was only coming up with a couple of hits on Google.
Thanks.
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Xanthu was a member I think. And wasn't Winath a member as well?
Posted by Eryk Davis Ester on :
Yeah, as mentioned by Reboot.
Posted by Reboot on :
What was Valor's first 20th century appearance - meaning, the first issue he appeared in which did not involve the Glorithverse Legion in any way. Invasion #3? An issue of L.E.G.I.O.N.?
Posted by Reboot on :
quote:Originally posted by Reboot:
quote:Originally posted by Invisible Brainiac:
quote:Originally posted by Reboot: Anyone know where President Chu's forename was first given?
I'm not sure if there was an earlier one, but LSH 80 page 11 is the first instance I've noticed after skimming through the first two years of issues.
Hmm... Missed that one when I was looking (and I even checked Impulse #25!). If that's the only use, as I think it is, it's kinda annoying - "Winema" is mocking her in that panel, so I doubt she went by the diminutive 'Jeannie". I was wondering about the spelling, if it was "Jean" or "Jeanne", but if there's nothing there's nowt.
Thanks anyway.
Ah-HA! Found this one when looking for something else. It's "Jeanne" per SF&O #1.
*makes note here for own record*
Posted by Silver Age Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Reboot: What was Valor's first 20th century appearance - meaning, the first issue he appeared in which did not involve the Glorithverse Legion in any way. Invasion #3? An issue of L.E.G.I.O.N.?
Valor wasn't in Invasion (but his father was).
Lar Gand's first appearance - he wasn't called Valor then - was New Gods #17. He played a bit part in the story.
Lar Gand’s appearance was presumably engineered by Michael Eury who edited the New Gods and LSH at the time.
Posted by Chaim Mattis Keller on :
Was that before or after L.E.G.I.O.N. '90 # 16?
Posted by Angdar Fel on :
New Gods 17 cover date is June of 90, same as L.E.G.I.O.N. 16.
The only thing would be publishing order, or when in the month they were released.
Posted by Silver Age Lad on :
quote:Originally posted by Angdar Fel: New Gods 17 cover date is June of 90, same as L.E.G.I.O.N. 16.
The only thing would be publishing order, or when in the month they were released.
New Gods #17 says that the story takes place before dotlegion #16
Posted by Reboot on :
Published after though. The fact they felt the need to note that is a clue, but moreover the DC Master List has L.E.G.I.O.N. '90 #16 come out on 24 Apr 1990 and New Gods v3 #17 on 08 May 1990.
Anyway, thanks for the help Posted by Invisible Brainiac on :
quote:Originally posted by Conjure Lass: [QB]Ridiculously stupid request, but does anyone know of any references to food items in the 30th century? I'm writing a fic and I'd like the dish made to be with "futuristic" ingredients. So, does anyone remember anyone in the comics mentioning a food item that "doesn't exist" in the real world?
[QB]
I just remembered a reference to Tenzil's Black Hole Layer Cake, and another to Randonian pudding. *shrug* a lot late to the party, but...
Posted by Sarcasm Kid on :
Does anyone have any scans of the dark-skinned, white haired Legionnaire from Legionnaires Annual #1?
I have a vague recollection of the Legionnaires showing up to a planet that is about to be destroyed (or become uninhabitable, or something) and evacuating the population.
Some Legionnaires are shown building gigantic space ark type ships (possibly Superboy, Ultra Boy, etc.) while Saturn Girl is shown using her telepathy to call people all over the planet to come to the liftoff site.
Does anyone remember what issue this came from?
Was it perhaps the planetary evacuation that the League of Super-Assassins kids were brainwashed into thinking didn't happen?
Posted by kenaustin on :
quote:Originally posted by Set: Question ('classic' continuity);
I have a vague recollection of the Legionnaires showing up to a planet that is about to be destroyed (or become uninhabitable, or something) and evacuating the population.
Some Legionnaires are shown building gigantic space ark type ships (possibly Superboy, Ultra Boy, etc.) while Saturn Girl is shown using her telepathy to call people all over the planet to come to the liftoff site.
Does anyone remember what issue this came from?
Was it perhaps the planetary evacuation that the League of Super-Assassins kids were brainwashed into thinking didn't happen?
Sounds like Superboy&LSH #231. The Fatal Five attempt to force the planet Mordan's sun to go nova, which will then radiate the planet and turn the Mordanites into Energite.
Posted by Set on :
Ah, a Day in the Death of a World. Sounds like it might indeed be the one, although the few interior scans I'm finding inside don't ring a bell.
Thanks!
Posted by Fat Cramer on :
There was a Space Ark in Adventure #318 - the Legionnaires took it to evacuate the Xennians. But Saturn Girl wasn't on that mission. That's the story where Sun Boy suffered from Space Fatigue and went all Captain Bligh on everybody.
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Please refresh my memory. Once Mon-el received the Green Lantern Ring, who took it after him? What is the current attitude towards the Green Lantern (corps) in the 31st century?
Posted by Jerry on :
LSH #16 - October 2011
Mon-El used the ring's power to assist Earth-Man in defeating the evil Oan spirit guy. Earth-Man died in the battle. Mon-El returned the the ring to Dyogene, stating, "I guess we fulfilled your mission for you Dyogene, and that means it is time to return this to you. My place is with the Legion."
Dyogene mentions that his quest will be to rebuild the Corps for a new millennium as he leaves.
Posted by Phantom Girl on :
Thanks Jerry, so I presume then that the 31st century would still have an anti-Green Lantern attitude. Does anyone know the story that caused this trust against the Green Lantern Corps?
Posted by razsolo on :
Pre-Crisis, the reason Green Lanterns weren't allowed on Earth was because the Green Lanterns had been sent to stop the Legion from viewing the beginning of the universe using a time viewer (this was in Legion of Super-Heroes Vol. 2 #295). They convinced the Legion it was a terrible idea, but Rond Vidar's dad in his ring-slinging pre-Universo days then decided to try and sneak a peek at the beginning of the universe himself. He was expelled from the Green Lantern Corps for being a ratfink, and I guess the whole episode just left a bad taste in Earthgov's mouth.
Post-Crisis/post-Zero Hour/post-Flashpoint, I have no idea what the story is...given that Levitz kicked the last series off with exactly the same storyline but nobody once mentioned the last time it had gone down, and given that nobody batted an eyelid when Mon-El (and later Earth-Man) got the ring, I am gonna guess that the pre-Crisis story never happened anymore and that Green Lanterns are in fact welcome to do whatever they like on Earth.
Of course if that's the case, it doesn't explain how Rond Vidar got his ring....or why his ring was still working fine when Sosad Yat was blubbering away on a whole world full of inactive Green Lantern rings for so long...but I guess we're not supposed to try too hard to put this stuff together in any kind of coherent sense anymore.... Posted by Reboot on :
quote:Originally posted by razsolo: Post-Crisis/post-Zero Hour/post-Flashpoint, I have no idea what the story is...
Post-ZH, Oa/the GLC/etc were never rebuilt after Emerald Twilight and Ganthet was still the only Guardian around. Briefly, a bunch of criminals managed to harness the green energy (though not with the versitility of a GL ring), but were shut down by the Legion, a time-travelling Kyle Rayner and Kyle's descendent Cary Wren (who future-Ganthet briefly gave present-Kyle's ring to - what actually happened to Kyle's ring was unknown) in GL v3 #97-99.
Posted by razsolo on :
oh wow, I never even knew she existed! That's awesome, thanks Reboot!
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(ok i liked Cham's hood)
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and I think ![[Tiger Girl]](graemlins/TigerGirl.gif)
was the name most people wanted for red girl.
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Thanks, Povvins...
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![[Rush - Mara Williams]](graemlins/Rush.gif)
![[Xera of Manna-5]](graemlins/Xera.gif)
![[Jagged]](graemlins/Jagged.gif)
![[Chlorophyll Kid]](graemlins/ChlorophyllKid.gif)
![[Hug]](graemlins/hug.gif)
![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
generic NA?![[Confused]](confused.gif)
![[Hmmm?]](graemlins/hmmm.gif)
![[Mad]](mad.gif)
![[shrug]](graemlins/shrug.gif)
![[sigh]](graemlins/sigh.gif)
![[Bouncing Boy - Animated]](graemlins/BouncingBoya.gif)
![[Ion]](graemlins/Ion.gif)
![[Embarrassed]](redface.gif)
![[Ghost 6]](graemlins/Ghost6.gif)
![[Fruit Boy]](graemlins/FruitBoy.gif)
![[Plaid Lad]](graemlins/PlaidLad.gif)
![[Camera-Eye Kid]](graemlins/CameraEyeKid.gif)
![[Tizzles]](graemlins/Tizzles.gif)
