Eryk Davis Ester
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I think DnA were at their best when they were fixing the mistakes of their predecessors. I think in the end they introduced as many problems as they fixed, however. I think that there was a feeling that they would really pick the title back up, and that they had a grand vision of where to take it that would be something really fantastic, and it was incredibly disappointing that this vision largely fizzled.
Incidentally, this also makes me somewhat skeptical of WaK's supposed grand vision for the Legion.
From: Liberty City | Registered: Jul 2003
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The DnA Legion didn't start going bad until they did the one really stupid move. Shoving someone with the big S on there uniform into the team. And now it looks like they are going to try it again with probably the same results here in the threeboot. There was not one thing in it that could not have been smoothed over by a good writer. Look at how good Simones arc was and she used established continuuty with no problem. I think going the Waidboot was just a lazy move on DC's part, and it is not working out nearly as well as they thought it was going to. I pity whatever writer has to come in after Waid and work with what he has set up.
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quote:Originally posted by Zeroman: The DnA Legion didn't start going bad until they did the one really stupid move. Shoving someone with the big S on there uniform into the team. And now it looks like they are going to try it again with probably the same results here in the threeboot.
I still wonder about that - before that point, they'd set up nearly everything they'd done, mostly in Legion Worlds, which they'd carried on doing in L25. Then, in L26, they drop nearly all that stuff - in particular, Mekt and the cadets, and focus on Superboy and Darkseid, both of which feel like editorial edicts DnA had no interest in - note how they completely write off the Darkseid vision as a feint in the previous arc, and Superboy is offically an Edict. I wonder what DnA had *actually* planned for Foundations....
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I also find it irritating that we 3booted just as we were *finally* getting around to characters like Nightwind, Polar Boy, Blok, Kent Shakespeare and Infectious Lass in the form of the Legion cadets program.
Eryk Davis Ester
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I do feel cheated by having such characters introduced (plus an interesting new character in the form of the Persuader's daughter), only to have the rug pulled out from under us.
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Eryk Davis Ester
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Not as cheated as I feel not getting to watch Graym grow up, mind you...
From: Liberty City | Registered: Jul 2003
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quote:Originally posted by Reboot: Eryk - one question: are you trying to be the anti-me on this matter; basically vocally hating the postboot just to be the oppposite of me?
And Cobie, I'd have thought better of you than to repost all those lists
quote:Originally posted by Kent Shakespeare: I said it before, I'll say it again. Reboot was right.
There have been more duds than even half-successes in Threeboot so far.
And as EDE reminds us, DnA, despite some weaknesses, at least had some good ideas at their disposal, more than Waid has managed thus far.
Why, according to your post in the sales thread, are you buying two issues a month then? Over a year is too long to buy ONE issue a month on the hope that it'll magically get better, let alone two...
To be honest, force of habit, and procrastination. I keep putting off dropping my extra copy in hopes that the book will turn around. I'm still giving it through the Supergirl arc.
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quote:Originally posted by MLLASH: I also find it irritating that we 3booted just as we were *finally* getting around to characters like Nightwind, Polar Boy, Blok, Kent Shakespeare and Infectious Lass in the form of the Legion cadets program.
Good point.
From: Vancouver, BC, Canada | Registered: Dec 2003
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There is a simple, quick fix to all of this - Good Original Stories. Well conceived issues will make everything else forgotten, no matter which point in the Legion history the stories come from.
There has been a tendency for Legion writers in the past decade to rely on the Legion stories that came before. The result - re-writes and what-if stories of stuff we've already read, and the result is it just ain't as good as the original. The best Legion stories were from Bates, Levitz, the early Waid, and DnA, all which were ORIGINAL adventures. Since the end of the Levitz run we've had very little in the way of good new stories (except DnA) and little substantial added to the Legion mythos.
That's why there's the tendency to jump back and start over at the Adventure era point, where the solid foundation for the Legion was laid. The approach by TMK (which was just plain destructive) and McCraw and now Waid don't give other writers much to work with.
Fifteen issues (at 30 pages each!) into this new version, and most of it has been rewrite origins or rewrite characterizations - much of which now occurs thru a letter column?! These Legionnaires need to move forward and do something positive, and in much less time than 13 issues a pop.
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