quote:Originally posted by PenaltyKillah: "Real" deal? Does that mean DC's giving what the fans want?
I see this as a goal to restore the Legion to former X-Menesque status. So far, they're on the right track with the crossovers and the hype, but in the all-important merchandising and external media, which benefited the X-Men enormously... all we've seen is a Johnny-come-lately animated series that came and went.
It's not going to be X-Menesque. It's going to be Johns' level of success, at most. I don't have the slightest illusion Legion will ever become the title it was in the 80s.
quote:The Legion wouldn't have that much potential freedom for plotlines and story arcs if TMK actually remained. Though they make for quality storytelling, it says something when its co-writers were once contributors of Legion fanzines.
What is the problem with that? They are writers. Levitz took the book to the top of sales in the 80s by being a contributor to Legion fanzines... Good writers can write in canon, as Johns has proved by eliminating the hack job Ron Marz did with Green Lantern. Reboot gave us freedom... and a bunch of uninspiring generalist superhero pap.
quote: I've got a hunch that wedging Reboot and Threeboot into Legion continuity wasn't your idea, but time anomalies? If we can have mutual respect over the aforementioned, so should the issues that kept the Legion alive for the past decade-and-a-half (aka Waid's quick-relief marketing ploys). They brought back aspects of the Legion that were lost in translation, from perpetual youth to an unhealthy amount of douchebaggery.
Perpetual youth is a bad idea in comics, no matter what you say, IMHO. I am fine by working off-chronology, but I like the idea to see Kingdom Come, JSA, Tiny Titans... Also, by changing TMK, Magic Wars, Reboot and 3boot into "time anomalies" or "parallel Earths", it solves the main problem - which is giving any sense to the return of the pre-Crisis team. And Legion premise was always for me perpetual evolution (heroes get old), never perpetual infantility (Reboot). [/QUOTE]
quote: Hence, if Legion is going to get Johns' famous Rebirth treatment, I'm happy for those fans who've been awaiting this for fifteen to 25 years, depending on the fanfare. But something from Ricardo's got me thinking... if the "mature reader book" might as well be the original, the "one for kids" would be "Ultimate Legion". Reimaginings of the Legion's younger years, anyone? Not just Reboot (and possibly Threeboot)... and remember, Jim Shooter just might retain his job by doing a reimagining of the Cockrum years. Or Levitz takes the helm.
Whichever case, "modern reimaginings" (which they were during time of creation) certainly sounds better than "time anomalies".
Some people have mentioned that there is a possibility of incorporating Reboot and Threeboot as pre-Legion books (like Early Years), but for me it adds to even more confusion.
I don't see a problem in "time anomalies" as much as I don't see a problem in "parallel Earths". I do expect all Legions to be incorporated somehow, but not as the "real" timeline. My feeling is that Final Crisis will sort-of wipe everything to the status quo pre-Crisis for DC in general, with the Legion of Super-Heroes as the pinnacle of what went wrong (arguably, this was the book that suffered the most with the original Crisis).
And Penalty Killer, you don't think this Johns' LSH will be "mature reader book" at all. The mature book reader was my idea to bring back the TMK level of quality and profoundity/profanity. Hardly the kind of book Geoff does.
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For the "co-writers were contributors to fanzines" part, I meant the Bierbaums, not Levitz. Along with Keigh, the three did put a different spin into the Legion, deviating it from the momentum brought on a decade earlier (which was inevitable, abd I don't blame them but the ones above in DC), thus trading the potential for well, raw quality.
Final Crisis wiping everything to the status quo? Even a sort-of? Maybe for the company's respective franchises (Holy Trinity, GL, Flash, League), once again, though that wouldn't do much to restore DC to its former glory. But until Lo3W is released, it's yet to be seen or accurately predicted as to what shape or form the Legion would be restored back to.
And, yeah, thanks for the correction. I assumed that the "mature reader book for us oldies" would be a regular, non-kids-pandering Legion series to accommodate what the "oldies" generally wanted, and since not every oldie was for TMK, I took it that you just meant the seventies Legion and onward. But interpreting the "one for the kids" as an Ultimate-esque Legion should make a bit more sense, considering that was Marvel's primary intention for the Ultimate line.
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From: Canadia | Registered: Jul 2008
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I hope Tony Bedard is a Pre-Crisis Legion fan,Because with Shooter gone,Thats the only Legion that will get my money from now on.
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No LSH book has ended before #200 in the past twenty years or so... and only one went beyond issue one hundred, with the help of the previous era's non-canonical run. Hmmm... Seems like Legion issue numbers are the best examples of perpetual youth.
quote:Originally posted by Lone Wolf Legionnaire: From Lying in the Gutters
More San Diego creator talk tells me that the Jim Shooter’s "Legion Of Super Heroes" title ends with issue #50.
It will be replaced with a new Tony Bedard LSH project, and the Levitz/Giffen Legion project will also see publication.
I'm also told that the junior book "The Legion Of Super Heroes In The 31st Century," is also coming to an end with issue 20.
The future seems an uncertain place.
Not that surprisingly though. The Bedard one is a bit interesting... is Threeboot going to limbo or what??? And does Johns still have a place in Legion mythos? Only one way to find out.
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Bedard? I think I will pass. This is DC making sure Legion going out with a fizzle. If the problem was sales, this is surely a shot in the head. Moreover, his fill ins were really boring, typical superhero pap, even worse than Waid's last issues. Give it to Keith Giffen - at least a top writer would do something better saleswise (because as much as Bedard can be the very next Neil Gaiman, he won't sell more than Shooter). I bet the new project will be called "The New Search for Cosmic Boy". Yawn...
Hopefully, Levitz/Giffen project will save our souls.
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