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I don't think Didio ever said there was only going to be one Legion at the end of LO3W...what he said was there would be 3, but fans of 2 of them wouldn't be as happy as fans of the 3rd one.
This could mean a variety of things but...
You know the thing about the DC Multiverse now...
The Main Earth is like a template for all the other Earths, it has aspects of all 52 other worlds...
What this means to me is that the 3 Legions could all be alternate futures of the main Earth...but at the same time, there could be other Earths in the multiverse that have some of the alternate Legions as their future time line.
For instance, W&K, reboot, 5YG, Action...could all be in the future of the main Earth as alternate futures...at the same time, Earth 2 could be the Earth of the W&K...Earth 9 or a Post Crisis Earth could be the Earth of the Reboot or the 5YG...
Might even be an Earth 1 out there with a the real Pre Crisis Legion.
They can do both now....so they could in effect fold all 3 Legions into one Legion on main Earth, and still have the other versions of the Legion on other Earths. Witht he one on current Earth being a Super Legion of sorts...the template for all the others.
The thing is, even if all versions still exist, and I truly hope they do...I can tell you right now that DC is not going to publish the reboot or likely even the 3boot, because they don't sell that well. And that's just something fans might have to accept. The reboot really sold poorly at the end of it's run.
That's a been a major reason for my stance...the Action Legion(or it's inspiration) never sold poorly...and I don't think it's going to this time either.
It wasn't rebooted because it stopped selling and was unpopular...that was all the other ones.
So I think all will exist aterwards, on other Earths..but I don't think they are going to get a monthly title.
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I'm with Director Lad. I want my multiverse. Unfortunatly, some Final Crisis teasing aside, DC does not appear willing to admit the original Crisis was a mistake.
The end result of the original Crisis sould have left all the Earth's intact, while shifting DC's focus to a new Earth, with new updated versions of the characters, much as the Silver Age versions supplanted their Golden Age counterparts.
You know, that can still work. It's been almost as long since Crisis (23 years) and the entire Silver Age (roughly 29 years, although that's dating from the debut of Barry Allen. It soon a good five years for things to really get rolling).
If I had my way, Final Crisis would restore all the Earth's as they were before Crisis, adding in the post-Crisis universe as a separate Earth, as suggested in JSA Annual #1. Then, DC would gradually shift focus to a new Earth, starting with it's Trinity books, then adding in new versions of its other characters. Some characters, say the new Blue Beetle, might make the shift with relatively few changes, while others would see radical overhauls. If debuted today, would GL be a test pilot? Would the Flash be a "police scientist?"
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quote:Originally posted by Portfolio Boy: I'm with Director Lad. I want my multiverse. Unfortunatly, some Final Crisis teasing aside, DC does not appear willing to admit the original Crisis was a mistake.
The end result of the original Crisis sould have left all the Earth's intact, while shifting DC's focus to a new Earth, with new updated versions of the characters, much as the Silver Age versions supplanted their Golden Age counterparts.
You know, that can still work. It's been almost as long since Crisis (23 years) and the entire Silver Age (roughly 29 years, although that's dating from the debut of Barry Allen. It soon a good five years for things to really get rolling).
If I had my way, Final Crisis would restore all the Earth's as they were before Crisis, adding in the post-Crisis universe as a separate Earth, as suggested in JSA Annual #1. Then, DC would gradually shift focus to a new Earth, starting with it's Trinity books, then adding in new versions of its other characters. Some characters, say the new Blue Beetle, might make the shift with relatively few changes, while others would see radical overhauls. If debuted today, would GL be a test pilot? Would the Flash be a "police scientist?"
I'm thinking DC is going to just that. I think DC is going to bring back Earth 1, Earth 2, Post Criss Earth....because that's really the only way to truly fix things.
I mean the multiverse was created as a continuity solution...and getting rid of it got rid of a continuity solution. Was a mistake.
Plus they have this material they can reprint from those eras, and it gives them a heroic presence in every modern era of time.
I notice a strategy Didio is quite fond of, using old characters in a maxi series and then printing up a bunch of specials or Trades on the original material featuring these characters, as a tie-in or special, as their profile is being raised.
DC could make a boatload of money if they do that with Earth 1 and Earth 2, instead of just say, Kirby's Fourth World, like they have been doing recently in Countdown, DOTNG and Final Crisis.
They're bringing the multiverse back, they just aren't going to do it all at once because there is more money in doing it this way.
I'd be willing to bet if 52 hadn't been so successful, Final Crisis would have appeared in 2007. Countdown was just filler before they did it...they gave us a taste of the multiverse but didn't reveal too much of it. And why would they reveal Earth 1 and Earth 2 are back, they needed to hold something back for the resolution of Final Crisis.
Basically they shoehorned an extremely good selling 104 issues of comics into the space between between Infinite Crisis and Final Crisis....and Didio's bosses probably love him for it. But now they are about to play their ace...
They are going to bring
Earth 1 back. Earth 2. Post Crisis. Earth S Earth 5 etc...
All of them back IMO.
Plus all those else worlds Earths.
I do think think they are about to bring back the original versions of some Earths...I really think that's what's going to happen by the end of Final Crisis. They'll be new worlds of course...but why wouldn't they keep the old ones as well, if only for the reprint tie-ins. And it's not like there is a shortage of Earths either.
DC might get creatively stupid often, but they haven't stsyed in business for 70 something years by being economically stupid, and to not capitalize on the repint potential in Earth 1 and 2 stories...would be economically stupid.
They are all coming back IMO.
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quote:Originally posted by kcekada: Unless he was lying, a month or two ago, Dan DiDio stated in a public forum that there would be only ONE Legion after the mini-series. He didn't specify which one though.
Personally, I think the writing is on the wall.
After a brief rise in sales on his initial issues, Shooter hasn't been able to sustain readership.
The Action Comics issues with the Legion sold better than the stories preceding it and following it.
Geoff has expressed an interest in writing the Legion, and he's DC's golden boy.
No reboot of the Legion has ever had the success of the original.
Hasta la vista Waid Legion number two.
I'll believe it when I see it,after the last twenty years of being Byrned I will not get my hopes up,but if it DC does restore the Classic Legion with most of it's history intact,I'll be jumping for joy.
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quote:Originally posted by Superboy: I don't think Didio ever said there was only going to be one Legion at the end of LO3W...what he said was there would be 3, but fans of 2 of them wouldn't be as happy as fans of the 3rd one.
This could mean a variety of things but...
No, the article I read at Newsarama specifically quoted him as saying there's be just one.
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quote:Originally posted by kcekada: No, the article I read at Newsarama specifically quoted him as saying there's be just one.
Ahh...ok. I was referncing this quote from the Philly-con:
quote: In "Legion of Three Worlds," "fans all Legions will have their cake and eat it too -- but two of those pieces won't taste as good as the other one."
I guess there is more than one interpretation there.
I still say they could in effect merge 3 Legions in this story, and still have other versions of the Legions throughout the multiverse.
See they can't really merge Legions from alternate Universes, unless they do away with the multiverse...so these 3 if merged will definitely have to be in the future of the same Earth IMO.
At the same time...if there is a multiverse, there will definitely be Legion in the future of some of those worlds.
And logically...if say, the Action Legion is a part of the New Earth Continuity, then characters like Bart Allen that are in the New Earth Continuity will almost certainly be around in the future of the Action Legion.
I still think that this main Earth is some kind of a template...and these Legions will be both alternate futures of new earth, as well as existing versions of the Legion on alternate earths.
That pretty much satisfies everyone...they can also attempt some kind of a unification of the fan base on one Earth...
Plus they can get their killing in and still have relatively unscathed versions of the same Legions on other worlds.
Makes sense to me.
I have a hard time believing there will be only be one Legion in the multiverse though at the end of this story...even if there is only one Legion at the end of this story.
The thing is...Johns is writing this, and Johns approach to continuity is that, EVERYTHING happened and EVERUTHING exists...that's why he pulls these sorts of things off so well.
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I guess it's possible. At one time, I though it would be cool to have a Legion of Legions -- putting together a specific group -- pulling from different versions of the Legion for each mission. But that would get too complicated, and most readers already find LSH too complicated.
Here's DiDio's comments regarding Legion of 3 Worlds:
Q: Will the Legion seen in Action be seen after Final Crisis?
DD: All questions will be answered in Legion of Three Worlds.
1) Action Legion is going to officially be the "real" deal. I can't see any other way at this point for 3 reasons: Johns says he wants to write the original Legion and have fun with the rest; he is the guy responsible, with Morrison, to shape the post-FC DCU - and he is the one tying COIE with FC in terms of "time anomaly"; bottom-line, Action is by far the most successful relaunch of the Legion brand since TMK. 2) All other versions of LSH will be considered time anomalies or from different Earths. My guess is that the 52 worlds concept will be scraped in favour of more freedom (and I would tie it with the Kamandi/fire/tryptique references on FC - too long to mention here). That's why Didio can say there is only one Legion and the other 2 (for me, 3 - TMK and V3 will forever be as much the real thing as all others, even though they are being ignored) are going to be sad.
I do have an idea of how I would make all these different Earths work, solve all these time anomalies, add real chronology to the books and prepare DCU for eternity, but Dan would have to hire me first.
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1) Action Legion is going to officially be the "real" deal. I can't see any other way at this point for 3 reasons: Johns says he wants to write the original Legion and have fun with the rest; he is the guy responsible, with Morrison, to shape the post-FC DCU - and he is the one tying COIE with FC in terms of "time anomaly"; bottom-line, Action is by far the most successful relaunch of the Legion brand since TMK.
"Real" deal? Does that mean DC's giving what the fans want?
I see this as a goal to restore the Legion to former X-Menesque status. So far, they're on the right track with the crossovers and the hype, but in the all-important merchandising and external media, which benefited the X-Men enormously... all we've seen is a Johnny-come-lately animated series that came and went.
quote:Originally posted by Ricardo: 2) All other versions of LSH will be considered time anomalies or from different Earths. My guess is that the 52 worlds concept will be scraped in favour of more freedom (and I would tie it with the Kamandi/fire/tryptique references on FC - too long to mention here). That's why Didio can say there is only one Legion and the other 2 (for me, 3 - TMK and V3 will forever be as much the real thing as all others, even though they are being ignored) are going to be sad.
The Legion wouldn't have that much potential freedom for plotlines and story arcs if TMK actually remained. Though they make for quality storytelling, it says something when its co-writers were once contributors of Legion fanzines.
quote: I do have an idea of how I would make all these different Earths work, solve all these time anomalies, add real chronology to the books and prepare DCU for eternity, but Dan would have to hire me first.
I've got a hunch that wedging Reboot and Threeboot into Legion continuity wasn't your idea, but time anomalies? If we can have mutual respect over the aforementioned, so should the issues that kept the Legion alive for the past decade-and-a-half (aka Waid's quick-relief marketing ploys). They brought back aspects of the Legion that were lost in translation, from perpetual youth to an unhealthy amount of douchebaggery.
Hence, if Legion is going to get Johns' famous Rebirth treatment, I'm happy for those fans who've been awaiting this for fifteen to 25 years, depending on the fanfare. But something from Ricardo's got me thinking... if the "mature reader book" might as well be the original, the "one for kids" would be "Ultimate Legion". Reimaginings of the Legion's younger years, anyone? Not just Reboot (and possibly Threeboot)... and remember, Jim Shooter just might retain his job by doing a reimagining of the Cockrum years. Or Levitz takes the helm.
Whichever case, "modern reimaginings" (which they were during time of creation) certainly sounds better than "time anomalies".
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I do have an idea of how I would make all these different Earths work, solve all these time anomalies, add real chronology to the books and prepare DCU for eternity, but Dan would have to hire me first. [/QB]
All I know is that the multiverse was created to solve continuity issues...and since they got rid of it, they have had nothing but continuity issues. Because all that stuff wasn't meant to be put on one Earth.
Create enough Earths to where everything exists...even if it's not something currently in publication, at least it'll still exist....and some will be pacified by that for the time being.
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quote:Originally posted by PenaltyKillah: The Legion wouldn't have that much potential freedom for plotlines and story arcs if TMK actually remained. Though they make for quality storytelling, it says something when its co-writers were once contributors of Legion fanzines.
Matter Eater Lad was great...best part of the 5YG for me, and near I can tell he was theirs. The rest of it was Giffen. I don't think we ever saw what they were capable of as writers to tell you the truth...my hunch is they would definitely write a Legion you would have to have a lot of inside knowledge of the Legion to understand though.
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I do have an idea of how I would make all these different Earths work, solve all these time anomalies, add real chronology to the books and prepare DCU for eternity, but Dan would have to hire me first.
All I know is that the multiverse was created to solve continuity issues...and since they got rid of it, they have had nothing but continuity issues. Because all that stuff wasn't meant to be put on one Earth.
Create enough Earths to where everything exists...even if it's not something currently in publication, at least it'll still exist....and some will be pacified by that for the time being. [/QB]
I think the unification in one single Earth was a tentative in simplifying DCU, which never got anywhere, much the opposite. Also, I think the concept of multiple Earths and timelines are perfectly viable nowadays, where readers are older than at that time. And it eliminates most of the problems of continuity and gives enough freedom for writers to work upon.
And, in my opinion, time travel is as much a problem at DCU these days as chronology.
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