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Man, something like six years ago on the DC MBs I said on the Legion board there that DC would eventually throw up their hands and bring back the original Earth 1 Legion. And the posters on there scoffed and said it would never happen.
And a few years later I find I'm right. The only thing that surprises me is that it took them this long. They've tried everything else to revitalise the Legion since Crisis. Nothing's worked. So bringing back the fan-favourite version is a no-brainer.
In the same way that we were told very firmly that we would never see the Earth 2 Wonder Woman or Kara Zor-el again. Ahem...those edicts only hold as long as whatever editor or writer who decided this is in favour. I knew it all along!
The bottom line is profit for the comics company. If it's going to make money hell yeah they're going to restore the fan-favourite version of whatever from years ago, no matter how artistically impure we fanpersons may or may not think of it! hehe.
Honestly I hope that we don't get the E1 Legion back in its purest form. Despite being the biggest Silver Age fangirl in captivity, I for one don't relish the thought of having Dead Lyle and Incomplete Luornu back. (the early killing off of Lyle and the crippling of Luornu are the two biggest mistakes the original Legion writers made, the undoing of them was a very good thing!)
And I would want to see a Legion in which Luornu, Chuck, Tenzil and Lyle are prominent members. The marginalisation of those Legionnaires in the early 70s was another very bad mistake that doesn't need reiteration!
If they fix those mistakes, then everything's groovy, imho.
Maybe it's not such a good idea. Sometimes, as the saying goes, you can't go home again. I don't know. I'm in two minds here. I'm practically an incomplete Carggite on this.
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quote:Originally posted by Infectious Drura: [QB]I for one don't relish the thought of having Dead Lyle and Incomplete Luornu back. (the early killing off of Lyle and the crippling of Luornu are the two biggest mistakes the original Legion writers made, the undoing of them was a very good thing!)
And I would want to see a Legion in which Luornu, Chuck, Tenzil and Lyle are prominent members. The marginalisation of those Legionnaires in the early 70s was another very bad mistake that doesn't need reiteration! QB]
I agree that I'd love to see the Classic Legion back, but you've also hit on one of my biggest peeves. Allow me to explain:
- Ferro Lad was created by Jim Shooter to be martyred shortly after his creation. In Secret Origin, The SW6 Legion, and various Flashbacks, we're painted a picture of a tragic character, with a fatalistic wild streak. Fantastic! But he's dead, so tough shnoogins.
- Lyle was a soft spoken but extremely capable leader and spy, and possibly was going to be one of the first openly gay characters. He was also nearly a human equivalent of Brainiac 5 in the realm of biochemistry, and was entering an era in comic where he could've truly shined. Nope. He has a ghost girlfriend and Validus crushed him. Better luck next time.
- Chemical King was in the first Adult Legion story, so he's put into the Legion, strung about for a few years, showing up in group shots, and then killed. Well, turns out he had a great backstory, a fantastic power that no writer has _to date_ tapped into, but...he's dead. He's dead because he was supposed to die. Meh. Whatever.
Bringing back the pure "Classic Legion" is really just kind of shooting yourself in the foot. Along with prevously mentioned, you have to take the "inbred Native American tracker" and "Angry Extra-Dimensonal Black Guy". I'm with you on this, Drura: I'm really hoping this is the "Classic" Legion, with a bit of continuity streamlining.
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From: The Evil Anti-Moon!!!! | Registered: Sep 2004
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Just as Levitz tweeaked and adjusted what preceded him, so too should any revival (Action or other).
I'd like to think current writers are more savy about what to do with Lu, Condo or others. But the farther one gets from "canon," the more fire DC is going to draw from people who won't accept anything less than what they want (or rather what they think they want) (not a diss, but let's face it).
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Hmm. I'm torn. Much as the Pre-Crisis Levitz Legion is "my" Legion, I've found stuff to enjoy in every iteration of the team since (yes, Abin, even the TMK, which is actually one of my favorite periods of the book). Like the man said, you can't go home again. The root of this reborn team could be in the early '80s version of the team, but it still won't be them. Every writer puts their own stuff into the team; if this book isn't written by Levitz, it won't be the Levitz Legion.
Ultimately, I'm less concerned about which version of the team we're reading about and more interested in reading stories by great writers. As long as some continuity about the characters remains, I'll be happy.
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quote:Originally posted by Infectious Drura: Man, something like six years ago on the DC MBs I said on the Legion board there that DC would eventually throw up their hands and bring back the original Earth 1 Legion. And the posters on there scoffed and said it would never happen.
And a few years later I find I'm right. The only thing that surprises me is that it took them this long. They've tried everything else to revitalise the Legion since Crisis. Nothing's worked. So bringing back the fan-favourite version is a no-brainer.
In the same way that we were told very firmly that we would never see the Earth 2 Wonder Woman or Kara Zor-el again. Ahem...those edicts only hold as long as whatever editor or writer who decided this is in favour. I knew it all along!
The bottom line is profit for the comics company. If it's going to make money hell yeah they're going to restore the fan-favourite version of whatever from years ago, no matter how artistically impure we fanpersons may or may not think of it! hehe.
Honestly I hope that we don't get the E1 Legion back in its purest form. Despite being the biggest Silver Age fangirl in captivity, I for one don't relish the thought of having Dead Lyle and Incomplete Luornu back. (the early killing off of Lyle and the crippling of Luornu are the two biggest mistakes the original Legion writers made, the undoing of them was a very good thing!)
And I would want to see a Legion in which Luornu, Chuck, Tenzil and Lyle are prominent members. The marginalisation of those Legionnaires in the early 70s was another very bad mistake that doesn't need reiteration!
If they fix those mistakes, then everything's groovy, imho.
Maybe it's not such a good idea. Sometimes, as the saying goes, you can't go home again. I don't know. I'm in two minds here. I'm practically an incomplete Carggite on this.
I pretty much agree with everything you just said and I've been one of the people calling for the return of that Legion for a long time.
I also would like to see Lyle(and Karate Kid) brougth back, and probably Chemical King as well...
I've never wanted Ferro Lad brought back though, he's a legendary Legionaire as a dead character and he's not that great of a character as a living one.
Pretty much I am in favor of anything that adds to the original Legion. IF they were to retcon someone like XS into the team it wouldn't bother me(although it might bother reboot fans). It was when they started retconning characters(and origins of the team) out that I got bothered.
PS: I have a feeling you might be pretty happy with Lu's role on this team pretty soon.
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quote:Originally posted by Director Lad: Ultimately, I'm less concerned about which version of the team we're reading about and more interested in reading stories by great writers. As long as some continuity about the characters remains, I'll be happy.
Well Said.
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From: The Evil Anti-Moon!!!! | Registered: Sep 2004
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Hopefully they will De-Boot, and we will have a Legion that can endure, The Pre-Crisis Legion, With it's history and it's characters taking back their rightful place in the DCU. For me the Re-Boots were nothing more than Elseworlds stories that went on for far to long, but if your a fan of the re-boot characters and must have them back maybe DC can Re-Boot them into the Classic Legion as a new generation of heroes and let them join the Legion Academy, hell they can even give them their own book, this might even make me care about them, as it does not take away from The Classic Legion, maybe they can even throw in a SW6 batch version of Andrew,Lyle,Condo and Val while their at it. Just as long as DC restores The Original Legion and never Re-Boots it again. They should build upon that thirty years of history and quit tearing it apart and restarting it, with all that history and all those characters the storylines should be endless. How do you think X-men fans would react if they had to put up with what us Legion fans have had to for the last twenty years or so.
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There's been no official announcement. Perhaps I've jumped the gun a bit. Perhaps it is indeed wishful thinking. So maybe if DC doesn't deboot, I'm gonna look pretty silly! Oh well!
But it does look pretty likely, I'm about 95 % sure it will happen. As I said, DC have tried everything else to restore the Legion to its pre-Crisis popularity. Pretty much the only thing left to do is to restore the original continuity (or something close to it).
I will be very surprised if they continue with the Threeboot as the 'main Legion' after Legion of 3 Worlds. Quite apart from anything, it just doesn't make commercial sense. On every message board/comics fandom outlet for years the majority has seemed to be calling for the original Legion. You get the sense that it's what most fans want (whether or not that's actually true I don't know.)
It's very reminiscent of the Hal Jordan thing. The powers that were said "we're never bringing him back" a lot. The fans said "we want him back" a lot. In the end DC did bring him back. DC have a track record of saying oh to heck with it here's what you want now stop complaining!
I think Hal should have stayed dead personally. But that's me.
It might be nice to see Chemical King have another shake of the dog's tail. He didn't have much of a chance to shine in the original continuity. Ferro Lad I can see the wisdom of leaving as the 'legendary dead Legionnaire' but I did like the SW6 Ferro and was sorry he disappeared again so soon.
And yes, I would like to see people like Laurel Gand, XS and Kinetix make a comeback! (Tornado Girl?, Kinetic Lass?) Much as I love the Silver Age, sometimes I think that when we get into a 'back to basics' phase we run the risk of losing much that was good about the later versions too.
Here's hoping everyone's Legion wishes come true!
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If I were a gambler my money would be on the universes of the reboot and 3boot being destroyed leaving the Classic/Action Legion but... with the Legionnaires who didn't have Classic equivalents surviving so XS Gates Kinetix etc (plus Bart Allen) are left behind in the Classic universe.
Whether this would apply to KK, Lyle and Ferro whose equivalents are dead is a moot point.
Perez's insistance on drawing every Legionnaire gives hope that Laurel Gand, Kent Shakespeare et al might also survive.
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OK, here's my "in my dream of dreams" scenario: DISCLAIMER: I in no way expect this outcome. This is a bit of me thinking out loud and indulging some nostalgia.
All three universes survive so that they can engage in old-school JLA/JSA style annual meetings. The Action (Earth-1) Legion remains the primary group. The other two occupy parallel earths and live happily ever after, as much as Legions ever do.
Total pipe dream. DC is way too enthused about blowing s**t up right now.
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I agree with Dir, but with the proviso that Threeboot can also run as long as sales support it.
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I have a theory that there was more to her than we knew. It was once stated that she was the only Carggite in which each duplicate had its own personality (I think).
I have a theory that she may have been a mutant capable of multiplying as much as she wanted -- but never tried -- believing she was just like everyone else. So, she could easily create two duplicates again -- and many more if needed.
Kinda like DupliKate in Invincible.
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Unless he was lying, a month or two ago, Dan DiDio stated in a public forum that there would be only ONE Legion after the mini-series. He didn't specify which one though.
Personally, I think the writing is on the wall.
After a brief rise in sales on his initial issues, Shooter hasn't been able to sustain readership.
The Action Comics issues with the Legion sold better than the stories preceding it and following it.
Geoff has expressed an interest in writing the Legion, and he's DC's golden boy.
No reboot of the Legion has ever had the success of the original.
Hasta la vista Waid Legion number two.
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